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    Posted: December 03 2014 at 9:25am
Update February 16, 2015

Published on Feb 16, 2015
Breaking News Weather Alert For The Northeast In the region of Boston, Massachusetts, US. Whats Going on, could it be a pole shift causing all this freaky weather.

Once again in contact with people discussing the possibility of an Ice Age as there are major Teutonic plate shifts, brooding volcanos, and Anarctica is melting.

In the news - weather

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/11/19/wednesday-weather/19261905/

Buffalo's first snowstorm of the season could give the area a year's worth of snow — around 8 feet — in just three days.

More than 5 feet of snow was already on the ground Wednesday, and another round of lake-effect snow is forecast to bring an additional 3 feet of snow to the Buffalo area on Thursday and Friday. The average snowfall for an entire year: 93.6 inches, or close to 8 feet.

It has been raining for 5 straight days here in California and things are getting bad.

http://www.losangelesnews.net/index.php/sid/228184287

LOS ANGELES — Torrential rain deluged swaths of drought-hit California on Tuesday, bringing floods and traffic accidents across the state and prompting evacuations amid fears of destructive mudslides.

After a scorching drought which is the worst in California since records began, a powerful storm front lashed the region from the southern border with Mexico to the northern boundary with Oregon.


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It's not over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XA_nGMQ4_0


Northeast Hit With Extreme Apocalyptic Cold And Snow February


Published on Feb 16, 2015
Breaking News Weather Alert For The Northeast In the region of Boston, Massachusetts, US. Whats Going on, could it be a pole shift causing all this freaky weather.
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Med, it already looks like an ice age here.Johnray1
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According to Al Gore this is Global Warming. Never saw white Global Warming before.

My opinion; All the snowmen will melt in July or August this year do to global warming and all the snow will fill the oceans so that they rise three feet and flood us.

So head for the hills as the oceans will be rising fast according to Global Warming mongrels due to this white Global Warming.
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Al and the Global Warming Gang are now calling it "Climate Change"...what a joke!
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https://www.wmo.int/media/?q=content/warming-trend-continues-2014

“Fourteen of the fifteen hottest years have all been this century. We expect global warming to continue, given that rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the increasing heat content of the oceans are committing us to a warmer future,” he said.

Around 93% of the excess energy trapped in the atmosphere by greenhouse gases from fossil fuels and other human activities ends up in the oceans. Therefore, the heat content of the oceans is key to understanding the climate system. Global sea-surface temperatures reached record levels in 2014.

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On the link also a map in wich North America has a 1-degree lower temperature compared to the 1961-1990 period. Temperatures have been measured around the world for over a century so the rise in temperature glabally is a fact-it is measured ! 

How this global warming will work out in healthproblems is still not clear but that it does have serious consequences global is beyond discussion. 

Here in the Netherlands we now have weather that you would expect in southern France. That change went much faster then expected. 
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   The article Dutch josh posted is certainly correct.  "Global wierding" is probably a better way to explain things.
   The jetstream (circumpolar stratospheric wind) is driven by the temperature difference between the poles and the more equatorial latitudes.  As the polar region warms (and in the artic and antartic it is warming 5X faster than anywhere else) the temperature gradient drops and the jetstream slows.  In slowing it becomes more wiggly and can even stall over an area. 
   When you are on the down ( wind going southeast) side of a wiggle, it brings polar air to your region, as it has done to America for the last 3 years.  When you are on the up side of a wiggle (wind going southwest to northeast) you get unseasonably warm weather, as some of Europe has done for the last 3 years.
   I am not entirely sold on the idea that global warming is all our fault, at least a part of it is a natural cycle that we are certainly adding to: the question there is: "how big an addition?"  But the Earth is warming.  That is inarguable.
   There is no chance that we will end up with a climate  like Venus, that is just scaremongering.  The Earth has many tricks in store to cope with the current changes.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisyworld  During the carboniferous period there were far higher carbon dioxide levels and the Earth was a tropical island paradise.  But, while the adjustment is going on from one state to another, expect terrifyingly high winds and some unpredictable climate wobbles.
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"During the carboniferous period there were far higher carbon dioxide levels and the Earth was a tropical island paradise."


yeah

and half of the state I live in

was under the ocean !!!

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

yeah

and half of the state I live in

was under the ocean !!!

You just can't please some people!  Sigh!  Big smile  Just kidding.
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Satori,what is bad about ocean front property.Johnray1
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my property wouldn't be on the ocean


it would be in itCry

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All the polar ice melts - the Tundra and Permafrost and the fresh water runs into the sea making the sea fresher and interrupting the Heliothermal circulation of the world's currents.

The fresher water freezes and the cold water does not move away by current and the warm water does not move there by current - because the circulation has been interrupted by fresh water.

So we get an ice age - or glacial age.

Once the planet was ice from pole to pole - but volcanoes fixed that.

Polar pulses show and prove an ice age is coming.


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I love the way America is at fault for Global Warming but if you look China is way worse than the U.S.   Until you get China to quit polluting nothing is going to change!

Still don't think we have Global Warming!
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We are in trouble - once again we are seeing big drops of these polar vortex's

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/02/18/polar-vortex-to-unleash-record-breaking-cold-in-eastern-u-s-on-thursday-friday/

Thursday and Friday’s polar outbreak could set all-time February low records from Tennessee to Virginia. With a fresh coat of snow, Washington has the potential to dip below zero for the first time since 1994.

All of this is courtesy of a plume of not just Arctic, but Siberian air that has been trudging across the North Pole and into North America over the past week.

comment: have a friend in Tennessee and it is cold. Hate to think what is happening up in Canada. I am seeing various posts suggesting a 20-40 year Ice Age on the way. Yes, we are in the middle of one, but this would be a colder period and we could see a little "The Day After Tomorrow" scenario.  Tennessee is in a state of emergency and they are seeing a lock down with all stores closes in some area and no one on the streets. 

It's natures way of telling us something is wrong.


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I wasn't going to touch this, but what the heck...
Global warming was a term originally coined to indicate an increase in the average temperature of the Earth, and it's now routinely thrown out whenever it gets cold to supposedly disprove it. Climate change is a catch all, but global weirding is much more apt because the underlying warming trend could easily disrupt our climate in ways we can't yet predict, with the potential for more/less precipitation depending where you are, higher or lower temperatures, stronger and more frequent storms, etc.
Despite what many people might think (or want you to believe), the amount of water on Earth and the gas in our atmosphere is surprisingly small. The picture below shows each represented by a sphere - blue for all the planet's surface water, and pink for our atmosphere.






We can argue back and forth all we like, but for me it all boils down to cause and effect - if you significantly alter a variable within a system (like the concentration of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere), you'll inevitably see changes occur within that system as a result. Our climate is powered almost exclusively by solar radiation, and I don't see how a change in the composition of the thin layer of gas that either absorbs or reflects it could possibly result in anything but a shift in weather patterns. And to say that pumping 40 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere annually can't possibly have an effect seems to ignore basic physics, especially when we're talking about a documented and unprecedented increase in CO2 levels from 280ppm in the 10,000 years preceding the Industrial Revolution to today's 400ppm (and climbing).
Change is already happening at an alarming rate. Sea levels are measurably rising (as much as 8" in the last century, with a doubling of the rate in the last twenty years), glaciers are disappearing, oceans are acidifying and weather patterns and precipitation appear to be changing already.
So here's the thing - if you believe that it's not us causing this, then we're likely screwed because that means it's out of our hands and all we can do is hang on and hope we can adapt fast enough to survive the ride.





















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Anthony Watts? He's a former TV weatherman bankrolled by groups like the Heartland Institute and the Koch brothers to deny even the most obvious signs of climate change. His guests and contributors tend to be paid industry shills - follow the money and you'll find out who they really are. Their job is to pull the wool over our eyes so their employers can carry on with business as usual. They're not looking out for you - far from it.
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Though I do not believe we are the SOLE cause of climate change (rather a large piece of the puzzle) I have to agree with Jacksdad here, again!  That website is discountable, because of his money source.

Some of the "climate change is all our fault" folks could be tarred with the same brush of course.

Jacksdad hit the nail on the head with his "Change a variable in a system" point.  With a change that large (more than double) we are bound to have an effect.  Polutive as well as warming and that is, I think, even more damaging.

Now here is the real point in which I differ from the mainstream:  I do not think we can stop it.  Money is the strongest driver in our world.  Most money comes from our industrial processes.  How many of us would give up our computers, I-phones, cars, washing machines, etc. even when we know that they have deliberately built-in short operative lifespans to make more money for the corporation, even though we know it is killing our world?  How many billionaires do you know of that do something else to earn their money (except those who inherit it - and that is usually from an industralist source)?

So I think all the climate-change summits and meetings are little more than window-dressing and "fiddling whilst Rome burns".  They make a nice excuse for a trip abroad and a stay in a climate-controlled hotel at someone else's expence, whilst giving the impression that they are trying to save us all "ALL HAIL THE HEROES - FIGHTING TO SAVE OUR WORLD!"  -  Yes, that was sarcasim. 

What we should be doing if we really want to save the planet is limiting our breeding (two per family - no need to do more than stabilise it) and building defences against the rising wind, water and polution.  Just as a for instance: Low lying cities should be building poulders NOW whilst the water is still low, once it has risen the building will be a thousand times more difficult and expensive and many will already have lost their lives.  Ok, so that drops the population a bit, but there are more gentle ways to do it.


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Albert - can't seem to make embedded videos work on your site however this is a link to a special done showing we may be headed into an ice age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OMMZXniAoU

The drop of an arctic vortex, and we have seen them before, so that some areas in Southern States in the U.S. are VERY cold as I post this are further evidence that we may be seeing the start of a trend of a 20-30 cold period that will feel and produce temperatures at historical lows during the current Ice Age.



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Ice Age 2015 - JB Michaels / Medclinician

Friday arrived with an icy slap as Arctic air surged into the eastern United States. The cold snap is taking aim at long-standing records from Boston to Miami.

Flint, Mich., has tied its all-time record low for any month when the temperature dropped to a brutal minus 25 degrees on Friday morning. The last time it was so cold in Flint was on Jan. 18, 1976.

Cleveland broke its all-time record low for the month of February when the thermometer bottomed out at 17 degrees below zero on Friday morning. The new record surpassed the previous by one degree, set more than a century ago on Feb. 10, 1899.

Many record lows for the date have been set in major cities along the Eastern Seaboard, including New York, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Atlanta and Miami.

comment: For almost 2 years I have been advancing the theory we are on the verge of a mini-Ice Age which could last from 30-40 years and possibly bring us incidents similar to the movie "The Day After Tomorrow".

n Washington, a temperature of 5 degrees Friday morning was enough to smash a 120-year-old record for this date. That temperature, as measured at Reagan National Airport, broke the mark of 8 degrees that entered the record books on this date in 1896. D.C.’s record low of 5 degrees also surpassed last winter’s coldest low of 6 degrees on Jan. 7, 2014.

As of 6 a.m. Friday, the temperature was 2 degrees at Dulles International Airport. In Gaithersburg, the 6 a.m. reading was 1 degree.

comment: So, are we expecting smiling faces as we near Easter talking about the nasty cold which happened in winter as well as forgetting as many who died in the brutal flu which swept through Chicago and other places causing many deaths? The problem is, if with the continued melting of the ice caps, global warming, and glaciers decreasing in size, we may be headed for a small Ice Age. A climate change in the New England and Great Lakes region of the U.S. could hit New York hard and cripple some major cities and shut down many airports. The weather predictions so far have not been that accurate.

The U.S. in not prepared for even a few weeks of frozen streets, empty Walmarts, and no power to sizable areas. A stumble or shut down of the Internet? Well, great idea to put most documents in PDFs which would have some real issues after an EMP blast (Electromagnetic Pulse).

The theme of The Day After Tomorrow is like many disaster films where one man tries to tell the powers that be something really bad is about to happen. Yet, in the case of a coming Ice Age, border collapse, a series of 3 Pandemics happening at the same time, internal attacks in the U.S. and its allies from weapons of mass destruction - thousands are saying this and posting this on the internet. When that many people have the same bad dream, perhaps we should really consider it as an omen of what may soon come to pass.

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current temperature in Syracuse, New York from a Taxi driver dispatcher is -30 F. 12:29 EST

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Jacksdad, great photos. 

Over here in NZ we are seeing more extreme weather. Last year we had 2 huge rain events were I live. An enormous amount of water fell in a short period of time. In particular a deluge fell on a mountain near me and the small river that flowed off it became huge. In the space of 3 days it went from being about 15 feet wide to over 80 ft wide and carved out a whole new huge river bed, washed out the road and bridge and took away stock fencing and farmland. 

A few months later we had the same thing, with small streams becoming huge. This year we have these enormous dry river beds with the scars of last years floods.

Right now we are in the middle of an official drought. Everywhere is bone dry, reservoirs are drying up and there is no grass, just standing hay. And it's been HOT. The good news is that at 5am this morning it rained. In fact we all woke up to the sound on the roof - it's been so long since we heard it. 

We've been warned to expect more extreme swings in weather. When it's dry it will be really dry for a longer period than normal, and when it's wet, it'll be to the point of flooding. At least sea level rise won't get us where we live as we are up near the mountains. 

But I am close to multiple major fault lines, so earthquakes rather than climate change are my immediat concern. Today is the four year anniversary of the Christchurch earthquake that killed 185 people. 
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KiwiMum, I always worry about you and Hachi in the earthquake zones. Not a good thing. I live in Colorado we have minor earthquakes not so bad but my family lives near the New Madras Fault worst quake in man's known history. Won't go back home and live because of that and the fact they are near nuke plants which will go bad some day.

I believe we are going to go through a mini ice age that is why I am keeping 2 years of wood at my house. That is so I can rotate wood when I have to cut it my self and have to let it dry.
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I can't see an ice age coming, but a mini ice age is quite possible.  That would not surprise me at all.  Most of my world view would not even have to shuffle aside to accommodate that possibility.
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Kiwimum - one picture that I found which I didn't include showed before and after photographs of a glacier that has now all but melted. It had the Empire State Building superimposed on it to show that the ice loss was greater than it's height. I dread to think what kind of world our kids and grand kids are inheriting from us.
Techno, I'm very much with you on this one. I don't think we'll do anything about it either - nothing that will have any significant impact, at least. Instead of coming up with new technologies to help combat the problem, we'll likely take the easy way out and develop strategies to deal with climate change as it happens. And FluMom is absolutely right - even if we start to work on lowering carbon emissions, countries like China and India will still be pumping it out in ever increasing amounts as they try to emulate western consumer driven lifestyles.
As Kilt mentioned, there are delicate and poorly understood mechanisms that moderate temperatures globally, like the thermohaline circulation that makes northern Europe and the northeastern US a lot warmer than their latitude suggests they should be, and cools the water in the southern oceans. Large amounts of freshwater diluting the northern end of this conveyor belt as Greenland melts could disrupt it, with potentially catastrophic results.
We're moving in the next couple of years, and one of the biggest factors for me is the worsening drought in the Southwestern states. I really think choosing the right place to live could be one of the most important things to consider with respect to long term prepping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation

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Backtracking slightly, "Climategate" was not the smoking gun that many claimed it was - a few choice lines from from a thousand e-mails were cherry picked and taken out of context to make it seem a great deal more damning than it really was.
Much more significant is the recent revelations that Wei-Hock "Willie" Soon - a scientist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and darling of climate deniers - has been paid $1.2 million by the fossil fuel industry over the past decade and failed to disclose it. It clearly demonstrates deliberate and systematic collusion between the industry and the scientists and media outlets they pay to downplay climate change.
Like I said, they're most definitely not looking out for us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/us/ties-to-corporate-cash-for-climate-change-researcher-Wei-Hock-Soon.html?_r=0




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Jacksdad, where are you thinking of moving to? I recall that you said you are British, is your wife also? Will you stay in the States?

I agree with you about drought being so worrying. I was looking at a book about English Country houses this morning and was amazes by how green it all was. It's normally green here but this drought has left the whole place a pale straw colour, no green at all. I'd like to sink a well here, but the cost is about $30,000. 
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My wife is American. Oregon is where we're thinking of at the moment, because California is prohibitively expensive to buy land and build. I want to be as self sufficient as possible (you definitely raised the bar on that one Smile) and I don't see us being able to do it in SoCal. With the drought worsening, and the State dragging it's feet on solutions like desalination plants, I don't feel comfortable making long term plans here (which is a shame as it's a beautiful place to live).


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I've been living in the mountains of western North Carolina, and the climate here seems just about perfect.  No wild extremes in temperatures either in summer or winter....  if you ignore the recent Polar Vortex, of course  Wink
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Guest.you are right about the mountain of western NC. It is as perfect as you can get. The mountains of western SC would work to.Johnray1
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-01/hottest-year-record-think-again-meet-seasonally-adjusted-seasons
 

Day after day in modern macro-economics, investors are bombarded with 'odd' seasonal adjustments that spuriously lift (in the case of growth-related variables) or reduce (in the case of inflation-related variables) data to ensure a constant flow of "we must keep offering free/cheap money" narrative-confirming news.

However, as The Telegraph reports, [7]it appears this "seasonal adjustment" smoke-screen has reached the just as bifurcated opinioned world of global warming trends and Climate-Gate...

Although it has been emerging for seven years or more, one of the most extraordinary scandals of our time has never hit the headlines.Yet another little example of it lately caught my eye when, in the wake of those excited claims that 2014 was “the hottest year on record”, I saw the headline on a climate blog: “Massive tampering with temperatures in South America”. [8] The evidence on Notalotofpeopleknowthat, uncovered by Paul Homewood, was indeed striking.

 

Puzzled by those “2014 hottest ever” claims, which were led by the most quoted of all the five official global temperature records – Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (Giss) – Homewood examined a place in the world where Giss was showing temperatures to have risen faster than almost anywhere else: a large chunk of South America stretching from Brazil to Paraguay.

 

Noting that weather stations there were thin on the ground, he decided to focus on three rural stations covering a huge area of Paraguay. Giss showed it as having recorded, between 1950 and 2014, a particularly steep temperature rise of more than 1.5C: twice the accepted global increase for the whole of the 20th century.

 

But when Homewood was then able to check Giss’s figures against the original data from which they were derived, he found that they had been altered. Far from the new graph showing any rise, it showed temperatures in fact having declined over those 65 years by a full degree. When he did the same for the other two stations, he found the same. In each case, the original data showed not a rise but a decline.

 

Homewood had in fact uncovered yet another example of the thousands of pieces of evidence coming to light in recent years that show that something very odd has been going on with the temperature data relied on by the world's scientists. And in particular by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has driven the greatest and most costly scare in history: the belief that the world is in the grip of an unprecedented warming.

 

How have we come to be told that global temperatures have suddenly taken a great leap upwards to their highest level in 1,000 years? In fact, it has been no greater than their upward leaps between 1860 and 1880, and 1910 and 1940, as part of that gradual natural warming since the world emerged from its centuries-long “Little Ice Age” around 200 years ago.

 

This belief has rested entirely on five official data records. Three of these are based on measurements taken on the Earth’s surface, versions of which are then compiled by Giss, by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and by the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit working with the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction, part of the UK Met Office. The other two records are derived from measurements made by satellites, and then compiled by Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) in California and the University of Alabama, Huntsville (UAH).

 

 

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To fill in the huge gaps, those compiling the records have resorted to computerised “infilling” or “homogenising”, whereby the higher temperatures recorded by the remaining stations are projected out to vast surrounding areas (Giss allows single stations to give a reading covering 1.6 million square miles). This alone contributed to the sharp temperature rise shown in the years after 1990.

 

But still more worrying has been the evidence that even this data has then been subjected to continual “adjustments”, invariably in only one direction. Earlier temperatures are adjusted downwards, more recent temperatures upwards, thus giving the impression that they have risen much more sharply than was shown by the original data.

 

In reality, the implications of such distortions of the data go much further than just representing one of the most bizarre aberrations in the history of science. The fact that our politicians have fallen for all this scary chicanery has given Britain the most suicidally crazy energy policy (useless windmills and all) of any country in the world.

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Seaonally-adjusted seasons? Sure, why not!

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And while we argue about the politics that now overshadow the issue, the glaciers are still melting, the oceans are still rising and acidifying, and CO2 levels continue to climb ever higher.
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Of course I have no scientific proof but what if the Earth is healing itself by all of this very cold weather like in the move "The Day After Tomorrow".

Like I said before unless China does something about it's CO2 nothing we in the U.S. will do can make a difference.

Food for thought!
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There is some truth in both arguments, actually.  

I've studied climate science and its related chemistry since the late 1970s, focused upon agricultural and industrial methane emissions.  Temperature took a big jump in the 1970s, but has slowed down in recent years.  Nobody knows why.  

Climate is an amazingly complex system, much more so than is typically portrayed.  It isn't just dependent upon carbon dioxide & methane, but also the magnetic activity of the sun, which can affect cloud formation.  Other factors include volcanic activity, air pollution, and a host of other things.  

The one fact that is indisputable is that atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide due to human activity are climbing rapidly, please see this graph.  We are subjecting ourselves and our planet to one massive experiment with unknown consequences.  For this fact alone, we should be acting to reduce emissions.  

I personally think ocean acidification will kill us long before any temperature increase. 


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Sea levels in Northeast jumped 5 inches in just 2 years, study finds


http://mashable.com/2015/02/24/sea-level-rise-spike-northeast/


"Researchers linked the sea level spike to an unexpectedly rapid slowdown in the Gulf Stream current, which helps transport heat from the tropics toward the colder, saltier waters of the North Atlantic."


kinda reminds me of that movie The Day After Tomorrow

and not in a good way


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The way I understand it.... water vapor provides around 70% of the green house effect,  CO2 provides about 10%

The atmospher contains about 720GT of CO2.  Humans are adding about 6GT a year.

CO2 makes up a small percent of global warming.  Humans only add a very small amount of the CO2.

Yes I know feed back occurs, but even if Global Warming was real and even if Humans are contributing to it, it is a VERY small amount.




Then  you have a question as to whether a warmer world would actually be better or worse for us.   IMO the world has much more  habitable land, and is more productive if it is warmer.
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There does seem to be a natural cycle here as well as us.  I would not like to guess which is the biggest cause.  (Remember our methane releases and the methane releases that warming itself produces - that is just one other factor out of "who knows how many?")   I am currently doing a course in mathematical modeling.  The first thing I learnt was "All models are wrong but some are useful."  The more variables you factor in and the more estimates in your variables, then the less likely your model will be accurate.  The whole Earth is one huge system with a lot of variables, some of which we have not worked out yet.

Now, though the models suggest to me that the margin of error is way too big, Jacksdad's point about the numbers still holds.  Chuck's acidification and polution point holds as well.

My point is also unchanged:  Economic drivers will not let us change our processes by a significant amount and that means that the best approach, both personally and politically, is to accept the change and develop ways to live with it.  HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT!
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If we decide we need to save the world from Global warming, the only reason we would do it would be to benefit us.  We would want a better world for humanity.

Economic activity equals carbon production. 

If we have to destroy our economy and our means of making a living to save the world are we really making the world better?
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Everything that doesn't have the ability to smile would be happy. ...?
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I think it's probably too late

we're gonna have to live with the consequences of our inaction


resource wars

mass migrations out of areas that have become unliveable

the disappearance of the middle class

and a dramatic decline in our standard of living are just a few of the things we have to look forward to

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