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Update October 7, 2015 5:15 a.m. PST

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-russia-airstrikes-syria-20151007-story.html


A Syrian official says a ground offensive has been launched in central regions of the country amid intense shelling and Russian airstrikes.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with regulations, said the operations are concentrated in the neighboring provinces of Hama and Idlib.

Activists and rebels say Syrian troops backed by Russian airstrikes battled insurgents in central Syria on Wednesday in the first major ground fighting since Moscow began launching air raids on militants last week.

The Russian airstrikes appear to have emboldened Syrian troops to launch a ground offensive after suffering a string of setbacks in northwestern Syria over the past few months.

The Islamic State group is not present in the areas where the fighting is underway.

comment: This is not playing out the way the U.S. had expected and it is rapidly becoming a powder keg which could explode. In layman's terms, just as Russia invaded Afghanistan and got their butt kicked by U.S. supported rebels force(who literally created the Mujahideen (Arabic: المجاهدين‎) )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

it was hoped this would involve them in another Russian Vietnam.

It was thought by some advisers this would be a military quagmire in which Isis would emerge and prevail. This is not what is happening at all. It is is not like Russia has it all figured out but they are benefiting from a comedy of errors in U.S. foreign policy. 

If we do not get some boots on the ground in Syria - the U.S. and the N.A.T.O coalition are going to wind up spectators to an event which may turn the tide of history. 

This is played to the tune of "We are not going to do this." So far, almost every thing the Russians have said they would not do, they are doing. It is just a shot away from attacking Americans in a Syrian Army area and creating the first military casualties and/or jet shot down.

One does not need to get all biblical and apocalyptic about this. It is a truism that if at one point in Iran troops get too active near Israel there is going to be a war.

fact - this ship is off the coast of Syria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Dmitri_Donskoi_TK-208

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Update 7:15 a.m. 10/7/15

Russian warships attack ISIS positions in Syria from Caspian Sea


Would like to tell the AFT readers and others coming to this thread what is happening here is far more than what I thought would happen when I started this thread.  The resources we now have on the Internet for tracking and literally bypassing the mainstream media are like none we have ever had in history. There are a few ground rules I have set for myself as I continue to post on this and I would like to share those with you now.

1) no currently military footage that would compromise the national security of any nation - this includes positions of craft or troops which has not already hit the mainstream media. This is difficult in that there are independent sources now going online which I consider chilling and deeply disturbing.

2) nothing apocalyptic or last days - while I am Christian, things can get crazy fast as far as reading verses and predicting a nuclear war.  It is possible. The fire power is there and yet there is really no purpose to "summoning the flock" because they really have nowhere to go. It has been said the Second Coming was imminent since 56 A.D. or sooner. We have prophecies every new millennium, eclipses, or whenever someone gets a vision.  Faith is a personal thing.

3) No heavily sided propaganda. Obviously the lines read differently from the Western nations, Russia, China, and the Middle East. Israel invaded Palestine and their country nearly 3,000 years ago and they have been fighting ever since and probably will be until one or both are dead. Western Journalists lie - formal press releases from many superpowers are not accurate and the bottom line is - trying to step back and see what is really happening is hard.

So with that said - Russia is now using long range ICBMs to attack Syria. These are the big guns. They are flying more than 1,000 miles from the Caspian Sea and this is far more than bombing attacks and small troop skirmishes.

When is the last time Russia was firing ICBMS?  When was the last time the U.S. was?
What will happen if they both begin firing them at the same time?



comment:  4 warships 26 missiles - this was released by the Russian Defense Ministry
this is pretty exclusive on the net. Not finding this on any of the main Western media networks...
Rechecking date and data

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Published on Oct 7, 2015
Four Russian Navy warships have fired a total of 26 missiles at the position of the terrorist group Islamic State in Syria, Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced. The missiles were fired from the Caspian Sea.



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http://www.planbeconomics.com/2015/10/under-guise-of-safety-us-orders-fighter.html and http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/syrian-crisis-what-will-happen-next 

This is becoming a war between Russia and China on the one side and the US on the other side. It is about one "super power"the US or a "multi-polar"world in wich China, Russia are equal to the US. 

Wars are only possible when banks invest in them. Always only a very small group benefits from the wars. Putin has interests in Gazprom, Joe Biden son is involved in fracking in the Ukrain. Dutch and UK "royals" are the main shareholders of "Royal Dutch"Shell. 

http://thebulletin.org/timeline the doomsday clock might be getting closer to 12.

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Russian and Chinese weapons in Syria http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-tanks-russia-is-sending-to-syria-2015-9?r=US&IR=T

The Jewish community in Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews In Israel there is also a large group with Russian background. In World War 2 the Red Soviet Army had a Jewish armygroup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Israel


https://www.rt.com/news/317989-afghanistan-isis-train-russians/ Islamic State is training militants from Russia in Afghanistan as part of its efforts to expand into Central Asia, a senior Russian diplomat told a security conference in Moscow. He added that US and UK passport holders are among the instructors.
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Of course there is also a point in Russia, China, Iran willing to take a marketshare for modern weapons. 

The Russian Orthodox Church is behind Putin in his attemp to save Syrian Orthodox Christians in Syria and Iraq. Proberbly also the Egyptian Christian minority was wondering what "the west" was doing. 

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http://debka.com/article/24926/Chinese-warplanes-to-join-Russian-air-strikes-in-Syria-Russia-gains-Iraqi-air-base

Russia’s military intervention in Syria has expanded radically in two directions. debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report that China sent word to Moscow Friday, Oct. 2, that J-15 fighter bombers would shortly join the Russian air campaign that was launched Wednesday, Sept. 30. Baghdad has moreover offered Moscow an air base for targeting the Islamic State now occupying large swathes of Iraqi territory
Russia’s military intervention in Syria has five additional participants: China, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Hizballah.

The J-15 warplanes will take off from the Chinese Liaoning-CV-16 aircraft carrier, which reached Syrian shores on Sept. 26 (as debkafile exclusively reported at the time). This will be a landmark event for Beijing: its first military operation in the Middle East as well the carrier’s first taste of action in conditions of real combat.

Thursday night, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi, made this comment on the Syrian crisis at a UN Security Council session in New York: “The world cannot afford to stand by and look on with folded arms, but must also not arbitrarily interfere (in the crisis).”

comment: With Chinese warships off the coast of Syria soon and J-15 bombers in Syria, this is rapidly becoming a growing alliance of super powers. The reason is fairly clear as to why in that IS in some form has groups in both countries which are a threat.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/china-and-the-isis-threat/

Yet whether or not IS poses a real and immediate threat to the population in Xinjiang, Beijing is likely to give the go-ahead soon to use the perceived threat as justification to intensify their crackdown on the Uighur population. Uighur exile groups already complain Beijing overstates the threat from terrorism, falsely portraying riots as premeditated terror attacks. However, determining the extent of any threat, and what actually transpires on the ground, is difficult given constraints on foreign journalists operating in Xinjiang and delays in reporting from Chinese state media.

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/04/12/isis-is-a-real-threat-to-russia-yes-its-real/

“The threat from ISIS is real because quite a lot of citizens from the Shanghai Cooperation Organization(SCO) are taking part in its activities,” deputy director of Russia’s Federal Security Service told reporters Friday after a session of the SCO’s regional anti-terror body.

General Sergey Smirnov added that law enforcement agencies possessed information on about 1,700 Russian citizens fighting in Iraq on the side of Sunni extremists. “The danger of ISIS is also in their ability to infiltrate other terrorist groups,” he added. In particular, the terrorists have demonstrated interest in the Imarat Caucasus group and some of its leaders have already pledged loyalty to ISIS, Smirnov said.

Officials in Tajikistan have estimated the number of the Central Asian country’s citizens fighting on ISIS’s side at about 300, the Russian general said. The overall number of people from post-Soviet Central Asian republics who are fighting for ISIS could be up to 4,000, he added, referring to data provided by the International Research Group for Crisis Regions.

comment: No one sends out jets, ground troops or warships for no reason. IS is a clear and present threat to both Russia and China. This is not simply a political sideshow of muscle flexing and routine battle drills - they will be fighting side by side.

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The Western journalists as well as some of the intelligence operations have greatly underestimated the ability of Russia to pull this off and also draw support from other countries. This could be a costly mistake and unless U.S. Congress gets on top of this - weakness in foreign policy may put the U.S. in a spectator seat and forbidden enter the area by naval blockage as well, as on the ground and into the airspace.

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Contrapoint - Will this turn into a fiscal and military nightmare for those who have joined to fight Isis? 

For one thing right now jets are attacking, some ground troops are there, and missiles are being launched a thousand miles away. If the battleground moves to Iraq where U.S. military forces are and where Iranian troops are, then things will rapidly develop.  Iraq is heavily occupied by IS who has taken oil fields and resources and is funding the operation as probably the largest bankrolled extreme religious faction in history.  They are assembling not a small group of fighters, but an army, and people are defecting even from the U.S. which has not been successful in stopping its youth and those who are traitors to America from fighting against our own troops in the Middle East.

There have been multiple operations in which people have been caught trying to sell nuclear weapons to IS and terrorist groups. Despite the hype about where they have been said to be available, there were reports of open markets in Bulgaria and also U.A.E. A main source of these nuclear weapons or plutonium came from warheads and materials taken during the breakup of the Soviet Union.

The war theater is fighting a war against extremist Muslims still one of the worst group of moving targets and forces often in hiding. This is not as true in Syria where specific targets are being hit by ICBMs launched from the Caspian Sea.

The U.S. and allied forces dreaded trying to take Baghdad with almost 5 brigades of Republican Guard which eventually disappeared. The massive influx of manpower,the Republican Guard had once expanded to over 25 brigades which were led by loyal officers drawn from the Iraqi military. A house by house ground assault could have been bad. However skilled the special forces of Russia or China might be - you still have people who live in the North in a cold climate fighting people used to 120 degree desert.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/baghdad-iraq-hottest-city-world-temperatures-120-degrees-n401601 
And it has felt as hot as 159 degrees.

Granted many are mercenaries, but some are still locals and used to the climate Just as Hitler perished trying to fight the Russians on their own turf, the Northern warriors on foot may have a rough time against elusive desert fighters who could have chemical weapons of their own.

This is probably the scenario the U.S. and some others hope will play out with a dismal defeat of the entire anti IS operation setting Russia back 20 years and the U.S. looking the wiser of the two.

Never mistake silence for stupidity or inaction for ignorance. At the same time we have all these voices yelling to get in there and put in troops - eventually there will be body bags, jets shot down, and casualties- that is the reality of interfering and fighting in another country - it still could turn into a real disaster for Russia.

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Russian missiles have hit Iran.  I am still trying to get footage of the missiles which are way off target and have struck Iran. Reports are coming in but still no word if there have been Iranian civilian casualties.

Also more information is coming in the targets other than IS are being hit in the new military attacks in Syria. It is difficult to conceive ICBM's could be so off target they would strike another country when these are supposed to be surgical IS strikes.

Searching the net for film footage - this is the best I have found released only hours ago.





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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610286/China-preparing-to-team-up-with-Russia-in-Syria-Boost-for-Putin-in-battle-against-ISIS

Russian media followed that up by quoting Igor Morozov, a member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs, confirming Chinese aircraft carrier, Lianoning, and a guided missile cruiser were heading to the area, and adding Chinese military advisers were already in the region.

Mr Morozov said: "It is known that China has joined our military operation in Syria.

"The Chinese cruiser has already entered the Mediterranean, followed by its aircraft carrier."

These reports have not been verified by China and satellite images show the Syrian port of Tartus, currently empty. 

However, China come under threat from ISIS in recent months increasing the theory an attack is in the pipeline.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.678516

Also the first weapons being sold by Russia http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/07/iraq-saudi-arabia-to-buy-1500-russian-infantry-fighting-vehicles/

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Although CNN has been scrambling to keep up - they remain almost a day behind  on the events in Syria. This footage was released days ago and the French are actively bombing Syria.  It appears that nation after nation is moving in to take part in the Syrian war without any real coordination.  There is still a hope, I believe, by the Americans that these actions by the Soviets will turn bad and as they begin to try and IS will begin pouring in from Iraq and surrounding areas. The primary focus is not IS, it is the revolutionary forces against Assad and to establish a stronghold in the Middle East to control the region.

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Did Russian ICBMS crash in Iran?  It truly amazes me how the tail wags the dog. Basically you can trust few of the major news providers for accurate news.  However there is always
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I am trying to get this off the ground and it is certainly not easy.

Okay - what do we have?

Little noticed regional press reports on Wednesday mentioned an “unidentified flying object” that had crashed near the town of Takab close to the border with Iraq. A report in Oyan News cited the governor of Takab describing the crash of a “drone” near the village of Qiz Qapan in the early morning hours.

Images posted by Oyan News on Thursday in several structures in the village which matched initial descriptions provided by witnesses.

Wednesday’s launch marked the first use of Russian cruise missiles in combat.

These are a new type of missile and the U.S. had some serious issues with ICBMS when it first began test new ones. Even the Patriot missile had some dismal failures in intercepting Scuds and it is not unlikely that a few of the new Russian missile which were much less powerful or deadly than others now in subs off the coast of Syria could have crashed.

One should bear in mind the denial by Russia they would be engaging in any attacks and then later putting boots on the ground in Syria and attacking not only IS targets but rebels as well kind of ruins credibility of both statements. Both are now in place, and Chinese  warships and troops are moving to do the same. I just documented this morning French air missions in Syria and both CNN and Fox are really scrambling to keep up with the sheer power of independent news and youtube.  Never have so many had so much Internet raw power to find data.

It is the wave of the future, an independent news carrier i.e. CWN could eventually flow in from private reporters with their smart phones with some footage that is truly exclusive as some run after troops risking their lives under fire.

Really how would one break the choke hold of filtered and controlled media which is often blatantly false and misleading?

So now we are at "the U.S. made it up to make the Russians look like they are using old inferior weapons."  This could prove to be a bad miscalculation in that the Russian has new missile batteries which are going to Iran and could prove a formidable problem for U.S. jets.

There is no love lost between Russia, Iran, and its would be allies. There is already trouble brewing in a vision of what is best for Russia and Assad not being a marriage made in heaven.

Have the Russians stepped into a quagmire that they will regret? Well this is not their brand of warfare dealing with terrorists in the hot desert. Military advisers will admit this is new and when anything is new, the margin for big mistakes is there.

Glossy PR does not a reality make. Assad was a major butcher of men, women, and children with toxic chlorine gas and barrel bombs. This genocide is not easily forgotten and would likely be repeated if any progress is made by the rebels... not IS.. but rebels.

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There are different stories about the Russian missiles from the Caspian Sea. Some claim those missiles (or at least a part of the number of missiles) ware over 30 years old. Other stories claim Russia (test)fired their newest missiles. I guess Russia/Putin is able to make things unclear by also sending missiles with the purpose to "crashland in Iran"? A smookscreen ? 


On US-China relations http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1010/c98649-8959874.html China is working on a railway from Bangkok (Thailand) via Laos to South China http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1010/c90000-8959856.html
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As long as the US prefers Al Qaeda above Assad in Syria the US policy in the Middle East is bound to fail. 

Russia and China have Israeli high tech in their modern weapons. The Chinese Chengdu J-10 warplane is a copy of the Israeli Lavi plane. (from wikipedia: The J-10 bears some resemblance to the IAI Lavi[12] and some news and technical articles have claimed that some of the Lavi's technology had been sold to China by the Israelis, these claims have been denied by both China and Israel.[13][14] The general designer Song Wencong said that J-10 was a development of the indigenous J-9 which preceded the Lavi.[15][16] This was echoed by a PLAAF's major Zhang Weigang in a 2012 interview.[17]) China might sell J-10 to Iran http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0813/c90000-8935125.html

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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

As long as the US prefers Al Qaeda above Assad in Syria the US policy in the Middle East is bound to fail. 

Russia and China have Israeli high tech in their modern weapons. The Chinese Chengdu J-10 warplane is a copy of the Israeli Lavi plane. (from wikipedia: The J-10 bears some resemblance to the IAI Lavi[12] and some news and technical articles have claimed that some of the Lavi's technology had been sold to China by the Israelis, these claims have been denied by both China and Israel.[13][14]


Dutch Josh - I think we are near to being further and further ahead in reporting as opposed to the mainstream media. I am seeing some of them trying to catch up.  The film I put up on here has gone viral on the net being put up by hundreds of sites under all kinds of different names. Watch out for one called project red rash which is clearly fake and very old. Also there are some clips showing these missiles over Kurdish air space.

The U.S. Media response is very scattered with them jumping on the U.S. report of a crash in Iran of 4 ICBMS. I did get confirmation that something went down in Iran from local media there but this could have been a snoopy drone which in some cases easily show up on radar.

As for the Russia formal response - they are saying this was propaganda generated by the United States.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/09-10-2015/132282-russia_missiles_iran-0/

Tehran has not confirmed the rumors of Russian cruise missiles that supposedly fell on the territory of Iran after they were launched on October 8 by the Caspian flotilla.

Iran's FARS news agency reported with reference to source at the Ministry of Defense of Iran that there was no information about the alleged inaccuracy in the launch of Russian cruise missiles.

Video: Russian Navy launches missiles on ISIS in Syria

It was also said that the appearance of such reports in Western media was fact of psychological pressure.

Spokespeople for the Russian Defense Ministry also denied the information. Maria Zakharova, a representative of the Foreign Ministry of Russia, said that the reporting from CNN about Russian cruise missiles allegedly falling on the territory of Iran was like "waste water."

To crown it all, even high-ranking US officials condemned the US network for generating the rumors. US State Department spokesman John Kirby said he could not confirm the information. Pentagon officials did not know either what kind of sources exactly CNN referred to in the report.

- See more at: http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/09-10-2015/132282-russia_missiles_iran-0/#sthash.Zf0KtVB6.dpuf

so to be fair - except for some data confirming some sort of crash in Iran I published earlier - this one is off the radar and we move on to more verified videos and reports.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-11/end-isis-iraq-air-force-claims-it-struck-islamic-state-leaders-convoy It would be a good thing if IS is finished, that is something the international community should agree up on !

Medclinician, I think wether or not any Russian missile crashed in Iran is a "sidestory". Russia has taken the initiative. The US/NATO is put in defense. 

When zerohedge is talking about the US leaving "the US backed opposition" without support it is forgetting that also Saudi Arabia, Gulf states, Turkey and Israel (maybe even the EU) is wondering what to think from US foreign policy. 

Zerohedge is also talking about IS as mercenaries. Reminds me of Blackwater and other "private security firms" that were fighting in Iraq. The only thing public there was that those "fighters" were paid by the taxpayer. 

In the propaganda war a choice could be that the companies that own the media (and the US government) now claim that "the co-operation of the US and Russia" is making an end to IS. (Saves their government from thinking of those fantasies). 
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Saudi king Salman hospitalized. Palace coup suspected 
DEBKAfile October 11, 2015, 8:29 AM (IDT)

King Salman Bin Abdelaziz, 79, was confined to the hospital in Riyadh in intensive care and restrained under heavy sedation. Court sources say he was removed after “going crazy” and attempting to injure himself. King Salman, who acceded to the throne ten months ago, was said then to suffer from dementia and erratic behavior. Crown Prince Muhammad bin Nayef has stepped in to administer the kingdom. According to some reports, the king was heavily drugged and removed forcibly to hospital as part of a palace coup to remove him from power. 

 

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According to some sources King Salman was responsible for the massive disaster near Mecca during the Hajj. He wanted to welcome visiting Gulf State ministers etc and had roads closed wich caused the "stampede" that killed over 1400 pilgrims on their way to the Qaba.
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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

Saudi king Salman hospitalized. Palace coup suspected 
DEBKAfile October 11, 2015, 8:29 AM (IDT)

King Salman Bin Abdelaziz, 79, was confined to the hospital in Riyadh in intensive care and restrained under heavy sedation. Court sources say he was removed after “going crazy” and attempting to injure himself. King Salman, who acceded to the throne ten months ago, was said then to suffer from dementia and erratic behavior. Crown Prince Muhammad bin Nayef has stepped in to administer the kingdom. According to some reports, the king was heavily drugged and removed forcibly to hospital as part of a palace coup to remove him from power. 

 



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http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/fierce-battles-in-central-syria-amid-russian-air-strikes/
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DAMASCUS, Syria—Syrian troops backed by Russian air strikes seized a village in central Syria on Saturday amid fierce clashes with rebels, part of a ground offensive launched earlier this week.

That offensive marked the first major air-and-ground assault since Moscow began its military campaign in Syria on September 30. Russian officials say the airstrikes are targeting mainly Islamic State (IS) militants, but most strikes are hitting areas where the extremist group is not present.

Syrian troops have faced stiff resistance from the rebels, who have used advanced US-made TOW missiles to attack Syrian tanks and armored vehicles.

The Russian air strikes come as a US-led coalition wages its own air campaign against the IS group in Syria and Iraq.

US defense officials held a 90-minute secure videoconference with their Russian counterparts on Saturday to discuss steps to “promote safe flight operations over Syria.”

“The discussions were professional and focused narrowly on the implementation of specific safety procedures,” Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said in a statement.

The Observatory said Russian warplanes on Saturday bombed a headquarters of the ultraconservative Ahrar al-Sham rebel group in Saraqeb, in Idlib province. There was no immediate confirmation or details. Heavy fighting was also taking place in the al-Ghab plain in Hama province—a natural barrier between areas controlled by Sunni Muslims and the Alawite sect to which Assad and many of his loyalists belong.

comment: The main confrontation will not be in Syria.

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http://www.todayszaman.com/world_syrian-army-advances-with-help-of-intensified-russian-air-strikes_401218.html

http://southfront.org/syrian-terrorists-argue-3-russian-helicopters-shot-down-post-apache-photos/ There are reports that "rebels fighting Assad" are getting (more) anti-aircraft-artillery (3A/FLAK) 


In the beginning of the war in Syria, "fighters" were transported by air (CIA ?) from Libya to Syria. IS is also now fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. Did NATO bring them there ? 

https://www.rt.com/news/318284-russia-syria-isi-airstrike/ Radio intercept data has revealed “growing panic” among Islamic State militants, according to Konashenkov. He added that IS field commanders have urged senior staff to expedite supply armament and military equipment, as well as to redeploy reinforcements from Raqqa province as a result of Russia’s air bombardment.

http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1010/c98649-8960296.html">http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1010/c98649-8960296.html J-15 flying from Liaoning Aircraft carrier (supposed to be near Syria-will be in the news soon enough)
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Just like the Taliban would not exist without support from (a.o.) Pakistan (I.S.I.) IS would not be there without Turkey. Turkey is using IS to fight Kurds. The claim by the AK party that IS was behind the bombing of a peace demonstration in Ankara while IS is at least 1/3 Turkish looking at the fighters is "strange". NATO is playing yet again a double game. 



Now the US attempt for government change has failed the US is supporting other "opposition" in Iran

On Saturday, the Iraqi forces discovered US-made military hardware and ammunition from terrorists in the town of Beiji.

“The military hardware and weapons had been airdropped by the US-led warplanes and choppers for the ISIL in the nearby areas of Beiji,” military sources told FNA.

In February, an Iraqi provincial official lashed out at the western countries and their regional allies for supporting Takfiri terrorists in Iraq, revealing that the US airplanes still continue to airdrop weapons and foodstuff for the ISIL terrorists.

“The US planes have dropped weapons for the ISIL terrorists in the areas under ISIL control and even in those areas that have been recently liberated from the ISIL control to encourage the terrorists to return to those places,” Coordinator of Iraqi popular forces Jafar al-Jaberi told FNA.

He noted that eyewitnesses in Al-Havijeh of Kirkuk province had witnessed the US airplanes dropping several suspicious parcels for ISIL terrorists in the province.

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Personally I found this to be a very disturbing video. I am a Patriot, love my country, and yet we cannot ever say what a country, or several will do. Despite our nuclear ability to vaporize most of the planet, it may not be enough. Everyone is aware of the game of pushing limits.

Despite an ad at the beginning of this - is it true that the current American foreign policy is bad. There may not be boots on the ground yet in the U.S. to invade us, but this is a move towards it. I have not yet decided for myself about this video. I do know there is a huge push to make out Assad as the evil person who used barrel bombs and chlorine gas (WMD) on his own people.

It took 40 years for the U.S. to establish bases and control in the Middle East of some kind stop what could have been the threat of Communism over the whole world. This is not the Cold War anymore - it is the Hot War - and people are fighting not beating on podiums with their shoes telling the Americans "We will bury you."   
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Later, on August 24, 1963, Khrushchev remarked in his speech in Yugoslavia, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you,"[6] a reference to the Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism", based on the concluding statement in Chapter 1 of the Communist Manifesto: "What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable."

This video is fairly out there - is it the truth?  There is a one minute lead in ad you can skip and I suggest you do.



One of the biggest propaganda techniques was used by Hitler. It was the "Big Lie."
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Those words mean for one person or a government  to tell a lie so huge that people will not dare to question it or believe it is a lie. The last 20 years of reporting by the mainstream media is filled with overt untruths - big lies - some of which have been kept hidden for decades. There is no conspiracy. Some do not care about the people enough  to even consider them.  It is simply politics. Getting votes, power, and staying in office.

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@Medclinician, I think the video is proberbly correct in most aspects. But I think that both John "Jihadi" McCain and the US government did not expect that Russia and Iran would respond the way they did. 

It is also not only a US story. NATO countries are involved. Gulf States, Pakistan etc are involved. They all have their own responsibility.

Talking about a "Big lie" NATO is claiming that Russia flying incedentaly on the wrong side of the Turkish border is "a form of agression". The Russian air force is in Syria and Iraq on the invitation of their governments. In legal terms you could see that it makes not much difference wether it would be a Syrian or a Russian plane on the wrong place. However NATO is NOT invited by Syria but is very active dropping supplies to "moderate rebels" that end up with IS. 

NATO in fact is attacking Syria. Not only IS but also civil targets like power plants water supplies etc. (Yet that does not stp NATO and western media talking about "Russian agression"). 

"Divide and rule" is an old way of getting power. The Romans used it, European countries got their colonies by doing so in the 16th century and further. Also Russia, China and the US are doing it to get power over what is important for them (oil, gas, uranium, transport lines, harbours etc). 

In the 80's in Central America there ware many "civil" wars in wich the US choose the side of right wing governments. The US send weapons. Those weapons were sold by individual soldiers that did not get paid, or "rebels" could get hand on it. The main supplier of weapons to left wing rebels in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatamala etc, turned out to be the US in this way. 

The US has made many mistakes in who they did support; Ho Chi Min in Viet Nam to fight against the Vinchy/Japanese occupation during W.W.2, Saddam Hussein fighting Iran in the early 90's, Kadaffi was welcomed by western leaders who wanted their oil/gas companies to have "rights"in Libya. Kadaffi paid for election campains of Sarkosy in France, Berlusconi in Italy, was shareholder in FIAT when that company needed money, shook hands with Tony Blair.....

Basher Assad, former London eye doctor, is a brute dictator. But in the war against terror the US brought suspects to Syria to be interrogated , that is 10 years ago. In fact most dictators were supported by (among many others) the US. 

When you mention Hitler please realize that not only German industrialist paid for his campains in the early 30's but also outside Germany there were many groups supporting him. I am sorry to say that many European Royals supported Hitler, the Bush-family did, Henry Ford did. Hitler was an answer to the Russian revolution (and the civil war that followed, with Japanese troops in Wladiwostok, western interventions, the (re)creation of Poland and Finland as an outcome). 

In my opinion it is a civil duty to show care about the land you live in. Indifference would be far more wrong. I do care for human rights, I am against poverty and violence. I do not see anything wrong with that. When governments make wrong decisions it is patriotic to raise your voice. Certainly when the media is paying more attantion to "infotainment" than the important issues. Whatis important for you might be important for many others and therefor should be important for the media. Kim Kardishian is not of vital importance to the world audience, safety, peace, equal rights should be. 

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US=IS ? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-12/isis-spreads-afghanistan-and-libya 

If you bring an enemy in a country wich is not able to fight that enemy ÿou will need Uncle Sam" as a basic (but wrong) idea ? Are the Russians and Chinese right in claiming that IS is a treath for their countries ? 

There have been reports of transport "fighters" from/to Lybia/Syria by "hired NATO/CIA planes". In the past the US financed "the contra's"in Nicaragua, ReNaMo in Mozambique, UCK in Kosovo. 

"Moderate rebels" are alowed to accapt weapons from US/NATO as long they pay "taxes"to IS-part of the weapons directly go to the main opposition factor in Syria and Iraq. Thereby the US is making IS stronger "by arming moderate rebels".

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Rant alert - change of pace -

There was a post on the net which said the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in one you vote first but in the end both control you without asking you what to do. The setting up of revolutions to put in their own leader has long been an American past time. "Bananas" by Woody Allen was a satire of what happened in Latin America supporting revolutions which put in people just as bad as what the oppressed were freed from.  i.e. after promising to represent the people, the new dictator read a statement saying "from now on all underwear will be worn on the outside."  In Air America, the now legendary Mel Gibson is flying Cocaine to generate money to support the rebels in an alleged incident based on real life.

I was once told by a friend of an instance where a man to help a homeless person went out and robbed and nearly beat to death a local business man to get the money. Does the end justify the means?  No, it does not.  We cannot police the planet and the creation of "just in case" wars as Vietnam was, for it always ends badly. Setting up military bases in people's countries under the pretext of helping them fight terrorism or oppression has to this point been a complete and total disaster. It doesn't work.

Saddam Hussein was crazy to bomb Kuwait. This was an act of aggression justifying a war and the invasion of Iraq. That was the first time. The lines were clearly drawn and the world united to stop a country from firing Scud missiles at its neighbors.

However IS is an entity that the U.S. created for a political agenda. It is much like the Mujaheddin which was funded and trained to chase the Russians out of Afghanistan. Later on these little groups would become Al Queda and attack us on 9/11. I put up a video of Hilary Clinton saying - well it was a bit shady but highly effective what happened in Afghanistan. It did destroy the Soviet Union.

Point here ... those in office currently in the U.S. are very bad at foreign policy. It is rather obvious that a philosophy exists of non-imperialism - or the opposite of the terrible U.K. in its "White Man's burden" to colonize the world. Like Rome, they were doomed to failure as he met the elephants in India and was spread so thin the Empire collapsed. So, we are not to invade anyone.

In the case of the Romans, the wars were fought by people for plunder and spoil and when both ran out or was not that easy to get, their kingdom or empire collapsed. Even Hitler as he trudged North to face the Russians on their own icy turf was doomed.

Now "we" (America) had our forces spread all over fighting at least 3 wars at the same time and in none of the areas - except during the invasion of Iraq- did we have enough troops or fire power to win or did we win a victory. At the last minute when they could taken Iraq and at least won the war- they hesitated.

If Russia wants to burn their dollars and put  their state of the art weapons in the hands of others as well, it is going to be rough. You know, even Captain Kirk in Star Trek, who was often a bit scattered and much too bold, was a leader.  John F. Kennedy was a leader.  FDR was a leader. Lincoln was amazing.  It has been a long time since we have even given the choice to pick a real warrior or person we can admire and respect to lead America. Do we even have, or will we have that choice in 2016?

The real situation? I was up last night thinking - even doing a bit of praying for our country. The American people have been lied to in the extreme and the media is right there pushing it.  The number of whoppers over the last 4 years may set an all time record and we cannot function with a Congress that is inept, on drugs at times, and even governors of states that are on crack.

The morality of America has collapsed. For many it has reached a saying of a woman I knew in high school - "If it feels good, do it."  The Executive Branch has taken off on its own without the support of Congress enacting all kinds of EOs (executive actions) which are not based on a national emergency such as a nuclear attack.  These special powers were never meant to give the administration the ability to bypass congress and go to war.

Even then the illegal war in Syria wasn't executed well. With all the technology, billions of dollars were spent and only a handful of people ever taught to fight. It was a friggin' disaster.

Can the voters hope to fix the problem? Well when the congressman are run by lobbyists and special interests, rarely is the will of the people even considered in the massive law full of pork laws that are passed. Can we make it a year without some serious international damage to credibility and strategy?

In conclusion - I have found this thread a bit scary to have started. It does step on toes like setting off a cluster bomb at a picnic. The mainstream media is still heavily controlled yet it is getting braver.  Yet , the intelligent reader can put things together and see it is basically trying to bring you the truth which is rare on the Internet.

The war in Syria?  It is the basic lesson we have yet to learn. The Brits lost the war as in 1814 as they fought Colonel Jackson's forces.
Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well

http://www.amazon.com/Battle-New-Orleans-Johnny-Horton/dp/B000254H4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0

Now in Africa, people dressed up in women's wedding dresses running to fire machine guns and then changing clothes and later eating next to U.S. troops at the restaurant who don't even know they are the enemy.   Soldiers willing to not only die - but try and take as many with them. This is the type of warfare that forever could run around the core Roman legion with shields up to stop the arrows and spears out.  It doesn't work anymore.

Now there is technology. To target the bad ones, women and children are killed. Russia has not won yet. These people have been at it for 3,000 years. As long as they exist - they will continue to fight.  It has been said in a Jihad - and this has not quite got to the Jihad stage- hundreds of thousands of troops could arise from the desert to fight.

The element of surprise - now that is deadly. To do what others say will fail, like the charge of the light brigade - with intelligence and yet courage- that wins wars. Is that is what happening here.  Boots on the ground after all these wars fought from the sky. Can we win a boots on the ground war half way around the world? We did in World War II - but that is with many countries fighting together. Fighting.. not holding meetings and talking about it.
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@Medclinician, leaders become myths. JFK ended the Cuba missile crisis by pulling back US missiles from Turkey. 

The present crisis is the outcome of miscommunication, not a lack of fighting but when you do not have aims, goals to fight for how you will know wether you win or loose ?

Every country has intelligent people that know how to solve problems. China and Russia feel disrespected by the US (and EU, NATO). The US wants world energy prices in US $, run its economy on (foreign) debts. On the long term that is not a sign of strength. 

Sometimes it is better to concentrate on yourself and limit the care you (would love to) give to others. The US has very serious problems internaly. Every hour an Afro-American in the US is shot dead by the police. Over 2 million people in prison (that is 25% of all people in prison in the world). In the top 5 with deadpenalties (in the same list as China, Iran, Saudi Arabia). Less than 1% owning as much as 80% of the poorest people in the US. This US is not able to set an exemple only if it can go back to its roots it will be.
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The Defense Minister of Iraq told the press the United States was a long way from Baghdad as tanks rolled behind him in a broadcast during the first war in Iraq. The first step is to admit the policies failed. The next step is to try and move into a position of power by doing something else.

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Although formal statements by China speak of political solutions - they are sending in forces to fight against IS, although it would appear this would be in Iraq rather than Syria and they are still considering their options for further involvement

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-20/saudi-arabia-warns-iran-stop-meddling-our-neighborhood 

Saudi Arabia (KSA)(other Gulf States) may start fighting directly with their ally IS, Al Quaeda etc in Syria. Sudan is sending troops to Yemen to fight on the KSA side against Iran. 

Turkey is using refugees as a means of pressure on the EU with november 1 elections and Erdogan (supporter of IS fighting kurdish) hopes a good deal with the EU can bring him profits. 

Countries to watch: 

China-Uyghur fighters are brought from western China via Turkey to northern Syria to fight with IS (supported by NATO and CIA ?) China can not stay out of the war in Syria if they want to regain access to oil fields/rights in Syria, Iraq and Iran. 

Turkey-Northern front in Syria. Already indirect fighting with Russia (shooting down planes), NATO member. Turkey proberbly will try to create "buffer zones for refugees" wich in fact will be NATO protected zones for IS, and 'moderate"Al Quaeda etc. Bringing the risk of (more) direct confrontation with Russia (& co)

Pakistan, East of Iran, South of Afghanistan. The ISI (secret service Pakistan) has been supporting the Taliban for years. Pakistan is also the logistic lifeline for NATO in Afghanistan. Pakistan did make an important infrastructure deal with China and Russia (oil/gas, railways) but is also friends with Saudi Arabia. (Supposed to keep nuclear weapons not only for Pakistan use against India but also to have sold "rights" for such weapons to KSA (against Iran). 

KSA - war in Yemen not going well for them. Direct borders with Syria and Iraq means that war in those countries can spill over to KSA. Shiïte minority in eastern KSA might rise up to the royal family-clan. Most gulf-states are dictatorial corrupt states in wich human rights situation might be even worse than it was under the dictators in Iraq, Syria, Libya. 

NATO countries-Canada is not longer bombing in the middle east, the EU has, as a result of NATO-action-a very large, costly, refugee crisis. The EU is-as always-divided. If the US wants to go on with the (NATO) war (against Russia, China, Iran) in the middle east (and Ukrain) the EU may not be a long term ally. 

Egypt-largest Arab-nation, does not want that either Turkey, Iran or KSA gets to much power but has to find the best way to play a role. Since it has also a problem with IS in Sinaï, Libya, and other parts of Africa inclined to support a Syrian-Iraq approach (both also at least Arab)

India-wants to profit from growing trade. Sees Russia-China_Iran co-operation and energy/infrastructure deals of that bloc with Pakistan and Indonesia. For them it may be needed to get some proof that there is much point in dealing with regions that are further away (US, EU) when most of the economic growth might be in Asia. 

Indonesia, largest Muslim nation. China has won the rights to build high-speed railway on Jawa (Djakarta-Bandung, China is also trying to get contracts for several high speed railway connections in India. Japan did not win contract in Indonesia.) Indonesia has "problems"with muslim-extremists. Export is largely depending on oil/gas. If Russia could get oil price over a 100 US $ (but not in US $ any longer-that is what the wars are about-partly) it would be welcomed by Indonesia. Also Indonesia has not a direct involvement in the South China Sea conflict with China (that is for a.o. Viet Nam, Philipines, Malaysia)

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Zero Hedge did mark that NATO and Russia are very close of fighting each other in Syria. In my opinion that is also the case in the Ukrain. The more countries that get involved the larger the risk of further escalation. Israel has a sort of "red thelephone-line"between Russian in Latakia (Syria) and Tel Aviv that is (for the moment) usefull as a way of limiting the dangers. 

Turkey and KSA/Gulf States can not afford to loose the Syria war, because that would be the end of their role/rule. I did expect China to get involved more directly, the less "support" the "freedom fighters (IS, Al Quaeda etc) gets, the shorter the war. When the Russian/China/Iran coalition "wins"this war the US has to "reconsider"its position. The EU may start doing more trade with Asia. 


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The best way to start pandemics is to send large groups of people over large distances. The refugees, send away by Turkey to the EU (for economic black mail, Turkey wants money and EU membership, that would bring Erdogan victory in the election) are "not very healthy" (a.o. TB)

Bombing by the US of power plants near Aleppo in Syria (not held by IS but pro-Assad army) brings risk of cholera (because water can not be cleaned). On a regionel level it isalso a water-war.

China will send forces to the Middle East, H7N9 will come with that.

The costs of the war(s) already runs into the hundreds of billions (both in $ or in€), money that can not be spend on education, food etc. and further increasing the unbalance of incomes world-wide.

Democracy itself is under pressure. Realistic news on the situation only can be found by checking news from all sides. 

"Pacification" in Syria, Iraq (Jemen) and "further unrest" in KSA, Jordan, Egypt will mean more refugees. Coming winter will proberbly make the route over the Balkan almost as deadly as the route over the sea.  If Chechnia, or Afghanistan after 1979 tells something "pacification" in Iraq and Syria will mean state-terror wich might kill up to 10% of the population. Putin got in power because of the role he played in Chechnia (and his KGB-background). 
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Breaking News - Putin meets Assad for talks in Moscow - what is happening today - the real news



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Basics: Putin is telling Assad under wich conditions Assad may claim that he is running Syria. Of course Assad is NOT ruling Syria any longer. Decisions will be made in Moscow, Bejing, Tehran etc. not in Damascus. Assad will not be "president" of Syria in 2020. Putin wants a deal because he can not aford a long war in the Middle East and he is defending Russian interests.
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Putins meeting with Assad is a further step in taking over the middle East; http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-21/russia-love-assad-unexpectedly-visits-putin-moscow

Of course that visit was to be expected, part of alarger plan. Any "help" by any "superpower" always has a pricetag. That is one of the constant factors in history. From Zerohedge:

In short: Washington and its regional allies will be allowed to participate in a discussion with The Kremlin, but that’s as far as it goes. Russia will decide Syria’s political future in consultation with Iran and given the strategic importance for Tehran of ensuring that there’s a “friendly” government operating in Damascus, you can bet that whatever the solution ends up being, Washington, Riyadh, Ankara, and Doha will most assuredly not like it. 

To the victor go the spoils.

For now, we'll close with one quote from Sergei Karaganov, dean of the Faculty of World Economy and International Affairs at Moscow’s Higher School of Economics, and one amusing picture which we'll leave it to readers to caption (note the ear-to-ear grins). 

“The message to the world is that Russia solves problems and you don’t. If you want to solve problems, work with us.” 

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Next stop for Russia-Iran-China coalition is Afghanistan ? After 15 years of NATO "bringing peace and prosperity" (Pakistan/ISI) druglords must be very rich. The heroïn-trade was never this large, Taliban is more widespread than en few years ago with IS showing up to fight them. The Commonwealth of Independent States (=mainly former Soviet Union) and the Collective Security Treaty Organization are preparing to fight terrorism that might show up from Afghanistan. http://southfront.org/countries-of-commonwealth-of-independent-states-cis-are-rallying-around-russia/. Of course that should also have some influence on Georgia thinking of becoming a NATO-member (not to mention the Ukrain). 
From west to east Afghanistan borders Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan in the north, in the east a small strip borders China and then the eastern border is Pakistan. 

RIC (Russia-Iran-China (a.o. in the UN etc. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/18/china-weighing-military-move-in-syria-video/ If China wants to secure its interest it is under pressure to do so faster.)) seem to be concentrated on the New Silk Road Europe-Asia and also Africa. 

Eventhough KSA (Saudi Arabia) has to deal with decreasing oil-prices/sales (Iran also exporting) and increasing costs (wars in Yemen, Syria, supporting Boko Haram, IS) and Turkey expecting unrest after any outcome of the november 1 elections (and Turkeys disrespect for Syrian, Iraqi airspace of course that is not seen by "the west"as agression) the main supporters of IS say to are willing to fight Russia in Syria. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-22/proxy-war-no-more-qatar-threatens-military-intervention-syria-alongside-saudi-turkis. Putin had telephone talks with Erdogan and the KSA "king"http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/21/putin-informs-saudi-king-of-results-of-assads-visit-to-russia-kremlin/

This is a desperate cry for western (US, NATO) support. The EU has now a refugee-crisis costing billions of euro's. Trade-interests with Russia, Iran, China (RIC) at risk. Canada not bying the F35 JSF from the US, stopping its actions in Syria and Iraq Turkey and KSA have every reason to be desperate. 

The US is loosing ground in Asia high speed due to a foreign policy that has been a disaster for decades. This will also effect relations between Europe and the US.

 How dangerous things might get, Zerohedge: Let's just be clear. If Saudi Arabia and Qatar start bombing Iranian forces from the airspace near Russia's base at Latakia, this will spiral out of control.

Iran simply wouldn't stand for it and if you think for a second that Moscow is going to let Saudi Arabia fly around in Western Syria and bomb the Iranians, you'll be in for a big surprise. Of course the first time a Russian jet shoots down a Saudi warplane over Syria, Washington will have no choice but to go to war.

Finally, we'd be remiss if we didn't point out the absurdity in what's being suggested here. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are essentially saying that they may be willing to go to war with Russia and Iran on behalf of al-Qaeda if it means facilitating Assad's ouster. The Western world's conception of "good guys"/ "bad guys" has officially been turned on its head.

And meanwhile:

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s public approval rating has reached a record 89.9 percent since he ordered his military to begin air strikes in support of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, according to a state-run polling center.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-22/what-if-they-started-war-and-everyone-came Worth reading retrospective, far from complete (but to be more complete you do need a large library). 

What should the US (and NATO) do ? 

1. The coalition of Russia-Iran-China (RIC) is not a very strong one. The only reason it can exist is the common enemy: the "west". Since "we"(=the Europeans) are as always divided it is up to the US to start talking with "RIC" not as a coalition but as three different countries with each their own interests. (Of course the goal is to split that coalition). 

2. Accept Assad, for the time being, as "president of Syria" (in fact Putin is running Syria so to say Assad is running Syria might strenghten "the west") and accept the need for "democratic changes" not only in Syria but also in the KSA, Gulf states. 

3. "Angel-of-peace"approach, call for an all-out cease fire in the Middle East (the "west"is losing the wars so damage control might be the best you can get.) 

4. The US needs to be less dependent on fossil-fuels. The US energy consumption, and the linkage of energy with the US $ is something the US only can solve itself. 

Basicly do something ! Dropping weapons in the Syrian dessert in the hope "moderate rebels will find them"is stupid. US tax payers paying for the US army repairing tanks sold to Iraq but used by militia (with Russian machine guns, Iranian amunition) fighting groups the US is also supporting is insane. The only thing "the west"can think of is doing more of the same. That might bring us all near world war 3. 
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https://www.rt.com/news/319477-russia-jordan-isis-syria/

Russia and Jordan agreed to create a coordination center in Amman, which will be used by the two countries to share information on the counter-terrorism operations, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

Russia is already in touch with Iran, Iraq and Syria through a Baghdad-based center used for the same purpose. 

Lavrov said Jordan would play a positive part in finding a political solution to the Syrian conflict through negotiations between Damascus and opposition forces, an outcome that Russia itself is pursuing. 

http://www.debka.com/article/24972/Hizballah-is-creeping-up-on-Israel%E2%80%99s-Golan-border-relying-on-Russian-military-cover (Debka was wrong in her claim that a Chines Aircraft Carrier was near Latakia a few weeks ago. China's economy may not allow major military action outside the borderregions.)

Hizballah is creeping up on Israel’s Golan border, relying on Russian military cover

For two years, Hizballah, egged on intensely by Iran, has made every effort to plant its forces along the Syrian border with Israel. For Tehran, this objective remains important enough to bring Al Qods Brigades chief, Gen. Qassem Soleiman, on a visit last week to the Syrian army’s 90th Brigade Quneitra base, which is the command post of the battle waged against Syrian rebel forces.

Soleimani, who is commander-in-chief of Iran’s military operations across the Middle East, is acting as military liaison in Syria between Tehran and Moscow.
DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the Iranian general inspected the Quneitra battle lines no more than 1.5-2 km from the Israeli Golan border.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-24/russia-releases-dramatic-assessment-isis-strikes-us-sees-little-green-men-syria

Russia has "lines of communication"with Israel and Jordan. Putin has telephone talks with Erdogan (Turkey till nov 1st) and the "king" of KSA (eventhough Debka reported earlier that his family had sent him to hospital).  Russian special forces from Eastern Ukrain are now "coördinating" Russian airstrikes in Syria with the Syrian Arab Army. 
Lets speculate about the next short term move; the next president of Syria might be a (Syrian orthodox) Christian. If Assad would hand over power what reason the west still could find to "support opposition"? Eventhough in "democratic elections" in Syria Assad would win (there is not much of an alternative). Putin is very populair in Russia. 

Russia proberbly wants to end these wars as soon as possible and is willing to give "the west" a sense of influence in that proces. Without NATO/Gulf states support IS, and the other "opposition" has no future. That is why I expect Putin to pay more attention (=divide and rule) to "the west". The EU is proberbly willing to "agree" on "a roadmap towards peace". https://www.rt.com/op-edge/319514-putin-obama-valdai-syria/
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In my speculation about the future of Syria I could argue that Putin could claim that the present Syrian government invited Russia to intervene. (Just like the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979 "on invitation"). A new (Russian backed) Syrian government might even start peace negotiations with Israel. That would make it even harder for "the west" to keep supporting "the opposition". 

The legal basis for US/NATO intervention in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, is "thin". Putin might use that in the future. Even in the Soviet days Warsaw pact always acted "on invitation". 

One could ask is Donald Trump the "US (answer to) Putin ?  Further escalation of the wars in Iraq and Syria will not find much understanding in both the region and most western countries. On the diplomatic front Russia is also playing the game in a clever way. "The west" still does not have an answer and is (in Europe) facing "much protest" against (the extreme costs of) the refugees. 

Obama/Kerry are getting, slowly, the point that the US needs to change its route. That 2016 will be a year dominated by US election campaignes makes that even harder. The US can not say no to the Iran-nuclear "deal" when all other partners are saying "yes" and want complete other things than the US. 

Whoever wins the US elections will find that the world has changed very much. 
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On history will tell of the wisdom or foolishness of Putin and Russia in making a publicity coup of the first order in who is the Bear of foreign policy.  In battle, win or lose, it is often the element of surprise as well as definitive action that leads to victory.

Any faction or group who wants to dominate the world and begins gathering forces, money, and mercenaries from all over the world to do it, is a global threat to all nations.

When we for financial or lack of clear intent reasons choose to withdraw from the conflict, we will have little effect on the results.  It has been the lessons of all world wars and large conflicts that eventually no one can ignore them forever. 

America has not truly seen the ravages of war since the Civil War and before that the War for Independence. This generation has not had to fight in our homeland for our freedom. Nuclear weapons are not sufficient to protect us from internal division and the deterioration of a Democracy that took 200 years to establish and pay for with blood, sweat, and tears, and the lives of many of our soldiers.

Syria is only the beginning.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-weighs-moving-us-troops-closer-to-front-lines-in-syria-iraq/2015/10/26/4ae2f36c-7bec-11e5-b575-d8dcfedb4ea1_story.html

President Obama’s most senior national security advisers have recommended measures that would move U.S. troops closer to the front lines in Iraq and Syria, officials said, a sign of mounting White House dissatisfaction with progress against the Islamic State and a renewed Pentagon push to expand military involvement in long-running conflicts overseas.

The debate over the proposed steps, which would for the first time position a limited number of Special Operations forces on the ground in Syria and put U.S. advisers closer to the firefights in Iraq, comes as Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter presses the military to deliver new options for greater military involvement in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

The changes would represent a significant escalation of the American role in Iraq and Syria. They still require formal approval from Obama, who could make a decision as soon as this week and could decide not to alter the current course, said U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the discussions are still ongoing. It’s unclear how many additional troops would be required to implement the changes being considered by the president, but the number for now is likely to be relatively small, these officials said.

comment: following the decision to keep troops in Afghanistan, a decision to put more forces in Syria could pull us into another Vietnam type situation.  The fact we are not out of Afghanistan, another campaign promise by the Obama administration, has opened the door for an escalation in the Middle East and especially now in Syria, put our ground troops and advisers closer to the military conflict.

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"Alright, so let’s see if we can untangle this. Washington intends to send in the Apaches to bolster Iraqi forces both Peshmerga and otherwise. Or at least that’s what it sounds like. The Pentagon is also considering the placement of American ground troops with “moderate” rebels and with the YPG in Syria. 

As we’ve detailed extensively (and this isn’t exactly a secret), Iran effectively runs the Iraqi military via its various Shiite militia proxy armies. That’s not an exaggeration. As Reuters reported earlier this month, “the Fifth Iraqi Army Division now reports to the militias’ chain of command, not to the military’s, according to several U.S. and coalition military officials.” So when the Apaches and their crews aren’t supporting the Kurds, they’ll be openly supporting Iran-backed fighters. 

Ok, fine. 

Only that isn’t at all consistent with placing US ground troops with Syria’s “moderate rebels” like the Free Syrian Army because after all, they’re fighting the very same Iran-backed Shiite militias. So the US would be bolstering the militiamen in Iraq with Apache gunship support and then firing on those exact same militiamen across the border in Syria in support of the “moderate” rebels battling to oust the Assad regime. 

It’s beyond absurd. 

And then of course there’s the whole Kurd/Turkey problem. The US is, i) fighting alongside the Peshmerga in Iraq and intends to support them going forward with Apache helicopters, ii) paradropping guns and ammo to the YPG in Syria (as part of a ridiculous ruse that involves the largely made-up SAC mentioned above by WSJ), and now iii) may even send in ground troops to fight with the YPG. But Turkey just bombed the YPG yesterday. Additionally, the US is flying sorties from Incirlik which sets up the insanely ridiculous possibility that if the US embeds troops with the Syrian Kurds, US jets could be taking off from the same base as Turkish warplanes only the US warplanes would be supporting the YPG while Turkish warplanes bomb them. 

So, yeah. This is should all go swimmingly. 

Finally, there’s the possibility that if the US puts boots on the ground in Syria in support of the “moderate” rebels, those troops will be killed by Russia and Iran (which Dunford said on Tuesday likely has "more than 1,000 [soldiers] on the ground in Iraq [and] something less than 2,000 in Syria")

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The US Navy has been active in the Black- and Baltic Sea, the South Chinese Sea https://www.rt.com/news/319948-us-china-military-spratly/. There were plans the US Air Force would also start bombing Hezbollah in Syria (that has very strong links with Iran). 

In fact the US is doing everything to make the Russia-Iran-China (RIC) coalition stronger eventhough there have been talks between Kerry and the Russian foreign minister.


The way matters are going now, the plan for Iraq is for US forces to join Iraqi and Iranian units in launching an offensive to recover Ramadi, capital of the Western province of Anbar, 110 km West of Baghdad, which ISIS captured in May.
In Syria, American troops plan to work with the northeastern Kurdish PYD-YPG militia for marching on Raqqa, the Islamic State’s headquarters in that country.


and: Ankara is vehemently opposed to the US partnership with the Kurds of Syria and Iraq, and puts its campaign against their separatist trends ahead of its commitment to the anti-ISIS coalition.
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