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I wish I still had the temperature graphs going back thousands of years. We had warmer periods in history than we're having now. That in itself doesn't prove or disprove global warming, but it does say that it could still be a hoax. Lots of people are making tons of money off of global warming.
2014 saw record ice, snow, & cold. Over 9,000 PhD scientists signed a petition citing there is no scientific evidence to support the global warming claim. It's also been discovered that some scientists in order to support their global warming claim are taking temperature readings later in the day when it is warmer. You can't play with the data and be credible. When there is such disagreement within the scientific community about global warming I'm wondering why, exactly, you feel it exists one way or the other. I'm going to remain skeptical. |
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https://robertscribbler.com/2016/12/07/arctic-air-temperatures-are-set-to-hit-35-to-55-f-above-average-by-thursday-out-of-season-sea-ice-melt-possible-again/ extreme high temperatures in the Arctic. http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wxrmaps/#GFS-025deg.WORLD-CED.T2_anom Also above average temperatures in Antarctica-(it is summer-melting season there, april 2017 should give lowest Antarctic-sea-ice). On increased risks of Greenland land-ice melt http://gizmodo.com/the-greenland-ice-sheet-may-be-far-less-stable-than-we-1789771526
some fitting music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQt5x1uEAOk A Pious Reflection Paul Mottram https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrba_UJo4Ow Sanctus John Harle
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Dutch Josh
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Another "good" report from Robert Scribbler; CO2 levels now close to 410 ppm, when you include methane etc you can get close to 490 ppm. The last time we had such high numbers is 15 million years ago. Temperatures were 4C degrees warmer-sealevel was 130 feet 40 meters higher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwCIPRvmgj8 Dutchsinse following seismic events. Waiting for more major quakes. USGS, EMSC a.o. keeping updates. Severe tropical cyclone Vardah moving towards Andra Pradesh-India http://www.skymetweather.com/content/national-video/cyclone-vardah-latest-news-and-update/
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since 1850 the time of the industrial revollution,the population of this planet has grown by 6 billion people
before 1850,from the year DOT there was no ; CARS,PLANES ,POWERED BOATS , humans are changing this planet like its never been changed before,, we are using CARBON in the form of fossil fules that have been stored for MILLIONS of years , MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS..... AND WE BURNING IT ...like there's no tomorrow this Earth is a self contained unit, no one from the outside will come and put on a fan to clean the air...... every major city in the world is suffering from air poullution, the Oceans are been cleaned out of fish, shell fish cant grow hard shells becaues the oceans getting more acid in getting on for 200 years we Humans have decimated the the equal ballance this planet enjoyed for a long long time sorry if your minds a so blinkered that you dont see WE ARE THE PROBLEM BRING ON THE BIRD FLU...... we need CULLING..... |
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Carbon20, overpopulation is a big problem and the poor are paying the highest price.
Africa is becoming unliveble. https://robertscribbler.com/2016/12/09/rendered-uninhabitable-by-heat-its-not-just-sudan-parts-from-north-africa-to-the-middle-east-are-under-the-gun/. From the comments-some as good as the article itself; Looking at that map reminded me of this one. âWhen you map the targets of Western drone strikes onto the region, you see that âmany of these attacks â from South Waziristan through northern Yemen, Somalia, Mali, Iraq, Gaza and Libya â are directly on or close to the 200 mm aridity line.â The red dots on the map above represent some of the areas where strikes have been concentrated. To me this is the most striking attempt yet to visualise the brutal landscape of the climate crisis. â from http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n11/naomi-klein/let-them-drown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOr2YzrZDY The real reason why the west is in Syria. The Jimmy Dore Show-European countries are over their ears in their old colonies. France was the "protector"of Syria after World War 1 (before thet the Ottoman Empire ruled the Arab world). And still wants to play a major role in energy-trade. (From the you-tube-clip; Qatar and Saudi Arabia in 2013 were willing to pay the US for invading Syria. IS is a western/gulfstates creation. DJ-Hitler was also a creation of oil, cars, weapons industry and their (royal) shareholders-the main criminals creating wars and global crises to get even more rich get away with their crimes. (Operation Juliana was a link between the Bush family-the Dutch "royals" and German Thyssen-weaponsproducers-it was all for profit-also in world war 2.)) The 1956 Suez-crises was a UK/France plan to control the Suez canal. The US is a big country and therefor easy to blame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth Good statistics on how global population exploded in just a few hundred years. (But it does not mention the role of religion in it.) Global human population growth amounts to around 75 million annually, or 1.1% per year. The global population has grown from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in 2012. It is expected to keep growing, and estimates have put the total population at 8.4 billion by mid-2030, and 9.6 billion by mid-2050. Many nations with rapid population growth have low standards of living, whereas many nations with low rates of population growth have high standards of living. https://source.wustl.edu/2015/12/the-geography-of-antarcticas-underside/">https://source.wustl.edu/2015/12/the-geography-of-antarcticas-underside/ Volcanic activity under West Antarctica. When all the land-ice would disappear most of West Antarctica still would be under the sea. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X14005780">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X14005780 Volcanic heat will contribute to melt of the West Antarctica Ice Sheet. |
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over population is the elephant in the room,
unfortunatly so is all the unequaliy in the world...... and i have traveled to very very very poor countries....... seen the poverty and the masses....... and i am blessed to live where i live ...... |
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I have anything but a rosy view of the future, so this is my kind of thread unfortunately. I had a discussion with someone at work the other day about the world we'll be leaving our kids and grand-kids, and by the time we were done, I think I really depressed her. The lesson here is don't talk about the future with a prepper that believes in climate change, I guess
I suspect that we're past the tipping point, and we can cut back on all the carbon emissions we like because other factors are now in play that are capable of driving climate change regardless - principally methane and water vapor. All we can do is prepare for a very different world, and one which will come along much faster than people think. Short version of my expectations for the future - mid century is when we'll look back on our current problems and get nostalgic. By then, the major growing ares of the world will be seeing a decrease in production due to climate change, just about the time the UN believes the human population will be between nine and eleven billion. To feed that many people will require an estimated 70% more food (at a time of shrinking food production), a seemingly impossible goal given the number of people that go to sleep hungry now. Throw the projected collapse of fish stocks into the mix (which is coincidentally estimated to happen due to over-fishing by 2048), and we are well and truly screwed. Widespread famine in thirty years, as well as a rapidly changing climate. Buckle up, kids. It's going to be a rough ride. |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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HAPPY DAYS.....
yes i do wonder what the future holds for my grandchildren........ but people been saying that for ever..... |
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jacksdad, you are an optimist !
http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2016/12/seafloor-methane.html, https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/12/rapid-rise-methane-emissions-10-years-surprises-scientists, https://thinkprogress.org/trump-putin-and-exxonmobil-team-up-to-destroy-the-planet-fb88650acfa1#.lzlcsu8w9 Fossil-fuel addiction is a deadly disease-on the short term. I am very lucky to live in a rich country, with a good house, income, healthcare etc. and I want to enjoy all the good days that are still there-limited but still there. The CO2 produced 20 years ago is effecting the atmosphere and climate now-there is a timegap. We can not turn back time to un-release the CO2 from last decades-they will show their effects coming years, months. Unless there is a miracle we will not be around in 2025.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/2114844-mystery-antarctic-circle-means-ice-is-melting-from-surface-down/?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=ILC&utm_campaign=webpush&cmpid=ILC%257CNSNS%257C2016-GLOBAL-webpush-MYSTERYICE meltwater-lakes under the East Antarctica ice-shelf in my (DJ) opinion could mean that the quantity and quality of (land)ice in Antarctica and Greenland could be seen much to optimistic-under 4m of ice there is 4m of water-maybe widespread. So there is not 8m of ice to melt, just 4-which could give way to ice behind it sliding towards the ocean.
Much more meltThe researchers discovered similar âhot spotsâ, or sites of surface melting elsewhere around East Antarctica. Previously, scientists had thought that this degree of surface melting, which leads to instability of the ice sheet, only existed on Greenland or West Antarctica. âWeâve shown that the East Antarctic ice shelves are prone to local surface melting, which is important to take into account when looking at the future response of Antarctica to climate change,â says the other lead author Stef Lhermitte, at Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands. http://ak-wx.blogspot.nl/2016/12/arctic-update.html The NSIDC's latest report provides additional context on November's Arctic weather patterns and the state of sea ice. November's Arctic sea ice extent was the lowest on record for the month, and the monthly ice extent remains more than 3 standard deviations below normal (although not quite as anomalous as during October). |
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Temperature anomaly up to 30C in Arctic http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wxrmaps/#GFS-025deg.ARC-LEA.T2_anom and storms with windspeeds 100km/hr+ http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wxrmaps/#GFS-025deg.ARC-LEA.WS10. The sea-ice in the Arctic does not get much chance to form.
The Ant-Arctic is also warm http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wxrmaps/#GFS-025deg.ANT-LEA.T2_anom and windy http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wxrmaps/#GFS-025deg.ANT-LEA.WS10. But less extreme than the Arctic. The sea-ice will not be able to stop landice sliding into the oceans-giving abrupt sealevelrise, possible tsunamis. Earthquakes in polar regions will make things worse. Methane levels, CO2 levels are rising with record speed. We are getting close to 490 ppm CO2 equivalent-in Earths history that stands for sealevel 40 meters higher, temperatures 4 degrees warmer. And the outlook is that we will cross the 500 ppm (parts per million) level by the end of next year.
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Scientists release Arctic Report Card. If that makes you go 'uh-oh,' you've got it right
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Huge 20 Year Build up of Arctic Fresh Water May Flood North Atlantic & Stall Gulf Stream
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/16/warm-ocean-water-is-slamming-into-and-melting-the-biggest-glacier-in-east-antarctica/?utm_term=.4523b2f52424
(Eventhough the washingtonpost has become an elite propaganda medium spreading "fake"news, sometimes they do not lie DJ, 11,5 feet-more than 3 metres, sealevelrise on its way....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0isfkb0duN4 BPEarthWatch claiming increase in earthquakes influenced by solar/spaceweather events-that also influences climate. Just like there is volcanic activity on Antarctica-reality may be very complex. I (DJ) try to understand what is happening, makes some sense-but the more I get into these stories the less I understand the full picture.) Scientists at institutions in the United States and Australia on Friday publisheda set of unprecedented ocean observations near the largest glacier of the largest ice sheet in the world: Totten glacier, East Antarctica. And the result was a troubling confirmation of what scientists already feared â Totten is melting from below. The measurements, sampling ocean temperatures in seas over a kilometer (0.62 miles) deep in some places right at the edge of Totten glacierâs floating ice shelf, affirmed that warm ocean water is flowing in towards the glacier at the rate of 220,000 cubic meters per second. These waters, the paper asserts, are causing the ice shelf to lose between 63 and 80 billion tons of its mass to the ocean per year, and to lose about 10 meters (32 feet) of thickness annually, a reduction that has been previously noted based on satellite measurements. This matters because more of East Antarctica flows out towards the sea through the Totten glacier region than for any other glacier in the entirety of the East Antarctic ice sheet. Its entire âcatchment,â or the region of ice that slowly flows outward through Totten glacier and its ice shelf, is larger than California. If all of this ice were to end up in the ocean somehow, seas would raise by about 11.5 feet. |
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What is the global ocean conveyor belt?The global ocean conveyor belt is a constantly moving system of deep-ocean circulation driven by temperature and salinity.The ocean is not a still body of water. There is constant motion in the ocean in the form of a global ocean conveyor belt. This motion is caused by a combination of thermohaline currents (thermo = temperature; haline = salinity) in the deep ocean and wind-driven currents on the surface. Cold, salty water is dense and sinks to the bottom of the ocean while warm water is less dense and remains on the surface. The ocean conveyor gets its âstartâ in the Norwegian Sea, where warm water from the Gulf Stream heats the atmosphere in the cold northern latitudes. This loss of heat to the atmosphere makes the water cooler and denser, causing it to sink to the bottom of the ocean. As more warm water is transported north, the cooler water sinks and moves south to make room for the incoming warm water. This cold bottom water flows south of the equator all the way down to Antarctica. Eventually, the cold bottom waters returm to the surface through mixing and wind-driven upwelling, continuing the conveyor belt that encircles the globe. |
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without the conveyor the northern hemisphere woulsd be under 50ft of snow........
so if it stopped like it did about 11000 years ago, the earth could be punged into an ice age within 10 years...... |
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