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    Posted: November 13 2016 at 6:01pm
Basically no amount of protesting, petitions, or unhappiness is going to change the result of the U.S. presidential election. It is over.  Huge protests when the president is sworn to office is yet another nail when America needs to unify and start addressing the horror stories of 8 years of bad health care, poor economy, and broken promises.

Add to this a complete shameful abuse of journalism who waged war on a candidate and tried to influence the election. Their polls were wrong. They did not focus on the important issues and now the The New York times, a major offender has apologized.

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http://conservativefiringline.com/new-york-times-issues-half-buttocksed-apology-trump/


Ah, there’s the rub. Had the paper actually been fair to both candidates, it wouldn’t need to rededicate itself to honest reporting. And it wouldn’t have been totally blindsided by Trump’s victory.

Instead, because it demonized Trump from start to finish, it failed to realize he was onto something. And because the paper decided that Trump’s supporters were a rabble of racist rednecks and homophobes, it didn’t have a clue about what was happening in the lives of the Americans who elected the new president.

Sulzberger’s letter alludes to this, promising that the paper will “striv[e] always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you.”

But bad or sloppy journalism doesn’t fully capture the Times sins. Not after it announced that it was breaking it rules of coverage because Trump didn’t deserve fairness.




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It has been a long nasty election and honestly I was hoping it would be over and we could go back to our lives.  The protests are not being started by the people. They are run by professionals who have an agenda and are afraid that there will finally be an effort to control people flooding into America, try and give big business a break so they can create jobs and compete, and introduce a new option for health care.

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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

...it ain't over yet....



The election is over but the criminal investigation on Hillary is not.

https://www.rt.com/usa/366900-clinton-investigation-continue-chaffetz/


Wherever the data came from, it is still a violation of national security using a private server.

Hillary Clinton will still face investigations into both her use of a private email server and the “pay-to-play” nature of the Clinton Foundation, according to chairman of the House Oversight Committee, Jason Chaffetz.

Chaffetz told Maria Bartiromo on Fox’s ‘Sunday Morning Futures’ the investigation “absolutely” continues.

"This is the largest breach of security, perhaps, in the history of the State Department," he said. “There are dozens of people in that inner circle that we are looking at.”

READ MORE: Calls for FBI director Comey to resign as Clinton camp assigns blame

“We have perjury issues that we still want the Department of Justice to look at. We have allegations of a quid-pro-quo, we don’t know where they’re [FBI] at in terms of their investigation into the Clinton Foundation, and the FBI director, we still have some questions.”

"It’s this huge, massive mess that has to be cleaned up. So we would be remiss if we just dismissed it and moved on," Chaffetz said. "We have a lot of things that we have to fix, so it never ever happens again."

comment: The leftwing extremist will continue to try and protest what was a fair election overlooking the incredible media bias and false reporting of public opinion. CNN and Fox and especially the New York Times have lost a huge amount of credibility.

There was enough data on Hillary for me to put up a very long video from Anonymous tracking blatant lies which are on video and easy to see.

Really, there are so many issues and problems we need to address, the wars overseas, the terrible health care plan, wide open borders, and possible terrorist attacks in New York, Florida, California, and Texas.

It's time to move on.



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As I stated before, Hillary Clinton did not win the popular election. This is a myth.  It is likely in more than a dozen states who do not require ID, over 3,000,000 non-citizens votes were counted for Hillary.



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  Photo ID requested (Non-strict) orange
  Non-photo ID required (Strict) dark blue
  Non-photo ID requested (Non-strict) light blue
  No ID required to vote gray

Look at the gray states - and look where Hillary was the strongest.

The reason that Trump won not only the popular vote but the electoral vote as well is because people are fed up and finally the silent majority -especially the phantom voters in the midwest were heard.

Who are the groups worried that Hillary won't be able to somehow overturn a the results of the election by protests, changing the electoral college?

Illegal immigrants - it is illegal to be in the United States without having become a U.S. citizen except to visit. It is a felony to assist someone to do so.  The mayors of huge illegal population areas get huge amounts of money for programs to take care of these people. In fact, the actually electoral count in not based on citizens, it is based on population. Many states would lose votes if they only counted citizens.  In states like California where I live, New York and other large cities as well - citizens are in real problems because the resources for education, medicine, and food are being wiped out.  

The fear is - that a stronger more logical system will screen immigrants and send criminals home.

Minorities and alternative life styles. Somewhere along the way it became a focus to create special programs to specically hire people by race, sex, or it is looking soon to be - sexual preference. It has already happened in the entertainment industry.

The fear is the favortism will stop. It isn't a matter of being Nazis - it is a matter of being color and gender blind. Hiring people by ability and qualifications and not lowering educational standards and bring in a half dozen other languages into our basic government operation.

The incredible loss of jobs and factories to other countries is a sign of bad economic programs and betrayal of U.S. manufacturing and businesses. 

The fear is prices will go up despite the fact the car industry was destroyed, coal, oil, and the workers voted from Trump because Hillary did not support them. She was too busy supporting the people on programs and taking money as opposed to those who would pay for it.

As far as Russia goes, I personally am much more concerned about a no fly zone in Syria starting a nuclear war as opposed to doing business with Russia and working out agreements to limit nuclear weapons and make peace.

While some are concerned about being allies with Russia, being allies with the Middle East and betrayal of Christians in the U.S. who make up 70% of the population seems to be a sell out. Paying for hostages - ransom money and hiring terrorists to fight in Syria is a bad deal. Iran is amused at the weak American leaders. If Lawrence of Arabia were back he would be making better deals and being tough.  No Arabian respects a leader not able to push for a good deal or will to accept anything to get an "agreement".

Are we afraid of a Secretary of Defense or new head of the CIA that will crack down on Muslim terrorists? 

The United States is a business - not a courtroom drama. We are worried about racism or violence as groups chant kill whites or anarchy as people hunt down and ambush law enforcement?

When you can't win fairly change the rules.  Right?  Why can't Obama tell the protestors to accept the election?  He said he would help and support Trump make a smooth transition.

They aren't going to vote out the electoral college. Do we want America to start the new adminstration with people trying to kill the president? It is not the people organizing these protest. In LA it was the financial interest group from Mexico.  They dont' want to see the borders put back up and enforced.

We were talking and it isn't necessary to ship anyone anywhere. It's like having ants in the kitchen. Take away the sugar, cookies, honey, or what attracts them and they will leave. Honest people will stay and work and earn their right part of America and be part of it legally.

If they manage to kill Trump - the social justice warriors - then there will be a revolution. The very worst of the bad guys will come out and there will be blood in the streets.

Despite a media that lied and the reality is that there is no real love for the minorities and poor by the democrats - it has been smoke and mirrorss. They don't are about people. They care about votes and power.  They mobilized the illegals to vote and if not - Trump would have had the popular vote as well.

People are going to die. The military is not going to support groups burning the American flag and calling for revolution. And all those organizers will vanish and stop trying to hurt and destroy America. Do you really think it is people who care about the United States who financed by a billonaire are paying people to lead these protestors?

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It's over. Any further discussion of the election in the U.S. is just rehashing what has already been more than adequately covered as we suffered through the miserable campaign.

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#Trump306 #MAGA #Recount2016 It's over. Trump 306 electoral votes. Michigan certified the results today. Stein missed deadline in PA.

comment: Stein missed the deadline. Even President Obama says we should move on and it was the will of the people.

People can fear all they want or wait and see what really happens versus what Fox and CNN have brainwashed millions to believe.

Yes, we will have tighter borders. Yes, the workers may finally get a break and there will be more equality when organizations and programs are not biased and on race, gender, or sexual preference - just Americans.

No, people who have been taking advantage of America tradewise or not going to be happy. They may get rid of the disasterous Obamacare and work out a reasonable healthcare system people can afford.

How very sad that would be.

The Green Party made a killing in donations and it was a scam. There was no proof or evidence of voting tampering or even hacking. It was the last puff of a dying Fox and CNN towards any semblance of credibility to the world.

Time to move on. It is time for Independent News to shine more than ever and bring you - The Real News. CWN - GIM

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The Washington Examiner reports that Green Party Candidate Jill Stein has blown the filing deadline to force a voter-initiated recount in Pennsylvania which controls 20 electoral college votes.  This means that even if Stein can successfully challenge both Wisconsin’s and Michigan’s vote tallies, Trump will nevertheless retain the 270 electoral votes necessary to avoid invocation of House rules to decide the 2016 presidential election.

On November 8th Trump informally won the presidential election with 306 electoral votes.  States have specified deadlines to formally confirm their results.  On December 19, electors will formally file votes to confirm these results.  To successfully throw the 2016 presidential election to the House, Stein would have had to formally challenge Wisconsin’s 10, Michigan’s 16 and Pennsylvania’s 20 electoral college votes.  Even if Stein’s efforts to deny Trump the electoral votes in Wisconsin and Michigan succeed, Pennsylvania will carry the day for Trump.

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EVERY time I hear Trtump use the phrase "drain the swamp"
I just have to laugh out loud

here's a couple of examples of that so called swamp draining thingy

Trump Picks Former Goldman Banker Steven Mnuchin As Treasury Secretary

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-29/trump-picks-former-goldman-banker-steven-mnuchin-treasury-secretary-cbs-reports

and  it NEEDS to be pointed out that Mnuchin is a former SOROS staffer

yeah

you read that right SOROS !

Trump Nominates Wife of Mitch McConnell as Secretary of Transportation

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Trump_Nominates_Wife_of_Mitch_McConnell_as_Secretary_of_Transportation/55522/0/38/38/Y/M.html


yeah that's right

Mitch McConnell who recently said that no one is interested in the swamp being drained


http://kwotable.com/2016/11/25/mitch-mccconnell-doesnt-want-drain-swamp-swamp/



Trump supporters are gong to "have to get over it"

face it

you've been played





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Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed... What a joke this statement alone says this is NOT true.

These sources could be Hillary and Bill Clinton...don't believe everything you read on the net!
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Satori, we have not been played. You choose people who have experience and all people who have been in Washington are not part of the swamp. If Trump does not like how they are doing at least he knows how to say, "You're Fired!".
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Trump supporters have to face the FACT
that Trump is installing the very types of people who caused the 2008 crash

they are ALL,at least to this date, WALL STREET types Goldman Sachs employees,banksters all

and  I just LOVE the fact that so called conservatives start wetting themselves and frothing at the mouth every time George Soros is mentioned

and now Trump is installing a former SOROS employee himself

LMAO !

but Trumpsters should not feel bad
the left got fooled with one version of hope and change
and not the right has been fooled too
join the club

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Mitt Romney After Donald Trump Dinner: He Can ‘Lead Us To That Better Future’

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/romney-trump-dinner_us_583e4b96e4b0c33c8e130346


from this to savior all in a few short months

wow,I'm impressedWacko

“Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He’s playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat,” Romney said in March."


wake up and smell the coffee kids


just how much more evidence do you need ?

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if your a Trump supporter
I STRONGLY advise you NOT to read this

unless of course your cognitive dissonance is REALLY strong

Donald Trump’s Treasury Secretary Pick Is A Hedge Funder And 2nd-Generation Goldman Sachs Partner


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steven-mnuchin-treasury-secretary_us_582caddbe4b058ce7aa8b9c0


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Former Senior Rothschild Crony Selected as Commerce Secretary


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Former_Senior_Rothschild_Crony_Selected_as_Commerce_Secretary/55536/0/38/38/Y/M.html


ok

is there at this point,ANYONE who needs help reading the writing on the wall?

ANYONE ?


let the cognitive dissonance beginHug

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Former Senior Rothschild Crony Selected as Commerce Secretary


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Former_Senior_Rothschild_Crony_Selected_as_Commerce_Secretary/55536/0/38/38/Y/M.html


ok

is there at this point,ANYONE who needs help reading the writing on the wall?

ANYONE ?


let the cognitive dissonance beginHug



The writing on the wall is something will be done to address the primary financial issues of our country by someone who is not a lawyer.  The United States is probably the largest and most complex business in the world and that spends far more than we make.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

With 95 million people choosing not to work
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/12/02/bye-bye-u-s-job-seekers-giving-up-leaving-workforce.html is it any wonder we are in so much trouble.

Hillary - wanted to open the physical and trade barriers wide open. Do you realize what that would mean to the American worker?  As company after company goes offshore to betray our nation to make cheaper goods and bring them back here, what happens to our job market?

Tax and spend does not work when less then 1 in 3 people are working despite all the glowing numbers. There were those in our forefathers ( and mothers) who really feared a true democracy. People would simply pass laws to pay them money and quit working.

The answer is not to create more special interest programs with no idea where the money is coming from. A great leader surrounds themselves with the best advisors. Someone who is trying to take on terrorists and fight a war, appoints generals  - not lawyers. Despite a present from the current administration of a 20 trillion dollar debt, things can get better. It is time to move on. Overt lying - there is no reason for these recounts and no proof of any voter fraud. - is not a reason to try and take the electoral votes from the people of a whole state because their candidate lost.

The sooner we get to the business of building the sooner things will be better.

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Hey, Obama got to choose his cabinet, give the same thing to Trump. You guys have to quit whining!
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:


just how much more evidence do you need ?




Weren't the last 8 years enough?

$9 trillion more in debt.
Over 94 million American's out of the workforce.
Lowest labor force participation rate of 62.7%.
The price of health care insurance has skyrocketed.
Racial tensions at an all time high.
IRS targeted Obama's enemies which is criminal behavior.
Lack of solidarity with Israel.
More American's on food stamps and Medicaid than ever before.
Releasing Gitmo detainees who went right back on their killing spree.

The alternative to Donald Trump was Hillary whose platform was based on Obama's failed policies.

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I share your lack of faith in Hillary, Crabby.  I just think Trump will be far worse.  Had the election been Saunders V Rubio (sorry can't spell either name) I would now be silent - whichever won.  I am not automatically anti-republican (Regan was a hero of mine, as was Bush snr.).
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His lips or pen are moving.
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I almost didn't vote at all in this election, but I couldn't stand the thought of Hillary becoming our president. I voted for what I thought was the lesser of 2 evils.

Only time will tell. I like the idea of a businessman becoming our president instead of a lawyer for a change.
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The election is over. It is time to move on.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith agreed with Republicans who argued that the three-day recountmust end a day after the state appeals court dealt a blow to the effort. The court said Stein, who finished fourth in Michigan on Nov. 8, didn't have a chance of winning even after a recount and therefore isn't an "aggrieved" candidate.

"Because there is no basis for this court to ignore the Michigan court's ruling and make an independent judgment regarding what the Michigan Legislature intended by the term 'aggrieved,' plaintiffs have not shown an entitlement to a recount," Goldsmith said.

It was the judge's midnight ruling Monday that started the recount in Michigan. But Goldsmith's order dealt with timing — not whether a recount was appropriate. More than 20 of 83 counties already were counting ballots again. They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

Earlier Wednesday, the Michigan elections board voted, 3-1, to end the recount if Goldsmith extinguished his earlier order.

comment: Things have become so corrupt in the U.S. government in the highest and lowest of places, despite many Trump haters, not counting the illegal immigrants votes, he won both the popular and electoral votes.

No amount of hand-wringing, refusal to accept what will be a postive change for America and will bring a growing respect and better America is going to change that. The reality is that the corporations and special interest groups control a congress which needs a deep house-cleaning and the swamp needs to be drained.  We cannot build America by focusing on the rights of illegal immigrants and criminals and drug dealers and terrorists coming into America. We need stronger borders, stricter filters, and better trade agreements.

The Iran agreement to lift the sanctions has been a disaster and current trade arrangements with other nations which have taken jobs, companies to other countries to build things cheaper are hurting the U.S.

None of this would have been helped by Hillary Clinton and the open borders policy.  We now have the opportunity to turn the economy around and Wall Street is aware of that. The stocks are going up, the price of oil is getting healthier so nations dependent on oil can pay their debts to the U.
S.

While everyone deserves equal treatment, they do deserve any special treatment because of gender, race, or religion. People should not be hired first based on race or gender.

In a few days the electoral college will vote. It is doubtful, even if recounted in any state, the difference would change the election for president. There are a lot of huge issues on a global scale that need to be addressed. It is time to move on in America and begin building instead of sowing division and chaos in the streets.

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just what exactly does "move on" mean?
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

just what exactly does "move on" mean?


Do everything your Twitter account tells you without question. Duh LOL


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

just what exactly does "move on" mean?


Get over it.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Accept what is and continue forward.
Don't keep re-hashing the same old thing.

It really is a self-explanatory saying.

But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
Wisdom of Solomon 3:1
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sorry ParanoidMom
that is really not very helpful
not a lot of substance there
how do we "get over it'?
what dead horse are we beating?
continue forward?
what is being rehashed?

Trump is the President elect
no one denies that
a lot of people DON'T LIKE HIM
and they're not gonna keep quiet about it
just like Obama haters didn't keep quiet

that is just something Trump supporters are going to have to "get over "

I'm going to take the same attitude towards Trump
that the Republicans took towards Obama
before he was even in the White House Mitch McConnell said they were going to oppose him on EVERYTHING,and they pretty much did
if it was ok for them to do,its ok for me to do

he's already made some very bad Cabinet choices
he's only attended TWO of the DAILY security briefings / REALLY ??? just TWO
and he stays up till all  hours of the night sending out STUPID Tweets
maybe he is too tired in the morning to attend DAILY SECURITY BRIEFINGS

PLENTY to criticize on
like shooting fish in a barrel

and I just have to laugh whenever I hear someone WHINING about how bad the Obama years supposedly were
me and my family have done EXTREMELY well the last 8 years
I make more money than I ever have before
most of the older people in my family retired early because they have done so well
I could retire today if I wanted to but I have such a great,well paying job that I'm going to continue to work
my  health insurance is kick butt,only minimal increases in my cost but an expansion of benefits
life has been good
I just hope Trump doesn't screw it up
and my prediction?
he is going to preside over another massive economic downturn just like Bush did
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

just what exactly does "move on" mean?


Move on means that after 8 years of lies and corruption and failed campaign promises, Trump is making an effort, before he is even in office, to do something.

Through a lifetime I have watched presidents make all these promises and after a single briefing on "how things really are" (Clinton in particular), back down and not follow through.

Wall is street is booming. I must say, I was the primary prognosticator of doom for years and it is soaring towards 20,000. Why is that? Because financial insiders know that what we needed was a man who could get in there with nations who have been tearing us up in trade and immigration, and start cancelling deals which are ruining us.

NAFTA was a disaster. Obamacare was a joke. Sorry - but that is the bottom line. It didn't work. And many major health insurance people are not going to accept it and costs are going up. It needs to die and we need a workable realistic program that will give Americans decent health care.

This is not Jerry Springer. This is political reality. Only a few American presidents were even faithful to their wives with some having their liasons arranged by staff. We are adults. We didn't elect a pope, we elected a president.

We were on the verge of a global nuclear war with Clinton about to declare a no-fly zone in Syria which most of the generals said would lead to a conflict. 

Russia spies on us and they hack. So do we. How many elections do you think the U.S. was in the middle of or contras were supported with guns and cocaine money to try and topple governments?

They are Russia, for God's sake. They are not our pals. We have been at cyber war for decades.

If you are in a room with Putin, Iran, and really intense people, you need a strong leader - not a lawyer to be at the table making a deal.

Now because the special interest groups for race, gender, and especially minorities were trying to take over and run the government lost, they are looking for a way to reverse a legal mandate of the people.

What would be the effect on America of reversing the election at this point? Hillary is still going to be investigated. What was done was criminal. 

Democrats - if you are so unhappy - why didn't you choose another candidate?  There are qualified intelligent liberals who could have done a lot of good for America without accepting money from foreign governments for pay for play?

Tell you what. Reaility is reality. We work with what we have. Phantoms did not elect Trump. No one tampered with the voting machines and if most of the nastiness about Clinton was unfair to know - does not make it untrue.

It is time to move on.

Anyone in here ever gone through a divorce or split up with a lover or lost a child? It is bad. But there is a time to stop complaining and start building - and that time is now.

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^I agree with almost all of your comments, Medclinician, and have been a loyal Republican voter since I first voted for Gerald Ford against Jimmy Carter (a vote I never once regretted). 

However, I do NOT like how Trump is playing footsie with the Russians.  We at AFT are concerned with preparedness issues....the Russians helped both Sadaam and Bashaar Assad to build their chemical weapons capabilities.  Assad was caught red-handed with tons (yep, TONS) of Russian engineered nerve agents like Sarin and V-X, and it only takes a drop to kill you. 

Trump is acting like a 3rd World tinpot dictator, insisting on holding onto his "toys" (TV show, business holdings) and thumbing his nose at critics.  

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By and large, I think Trump's detractors are moving on, Med. The election results are pretty much an old story with most people (although the recent CIA assessment of Russia's involvement will likely make it an issue again). Most of the current criticisms seem to center around Trump's cabinet choices, or his behavior on Twitter, the only channel he sees fit to use when communicating with us. As with every incoming president, people are just exercising their right to voice an opinion on the way an administration plans on doing business.

Personally, I'm just worried about post-inauguration Trump. His notoriously thin hide is being protected right now because either he or his team have effectively cut most of his physical ties with the outside world. That will undoubtedly change when he takes office and has to prove he's capable of thinking on his feet and demonstrating a grasp of the issues at hand, without advisers or teleprompters to back him up. Then we'll see if he can step back from his business persona and not expect to berate or litigate his way through a conflict, be it with an adversarial reporter at a White House press conference, or a world leader that won't back down.


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"Move on means that after 8 years of lies and corruption and failed campaign promises"

do  you even read what you write ?

you just described in perfect detail Donald Trump (although he has had only a year to LIE)

do you really want me to spell it out ?
do you not keep up with current events ?

good grief

Trumps lies started even before the campaign really began
remember when he said he was going t "self fund" his campaign "
BIG LIE
he actually only funded app 20% or so
that should have been a clue (well to all  but the clueless)

cognitive dissonance rears its head BIGLY as Trump would sayLOL
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dear God
do I even need to comment on this Confused

Trump Says He Doesn’t Need Daily Intelligence Briefing Because He’s ‘Smart’


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-intelligence-briefing_us_584d65a5e4b04c8e2bb04195


oh

I forgot

he knows "more than the generals"

and has a "secret plan to defeat ISIS"LOL

a plan which is so secret he still wont tell anyone


and he has a plan to stop all the violence in Chicago

but when asked about it by the Chicago PD

he REFUSED to tell them


seriously

do I need to go on


cause I certainly can

and don't anyone waste their time telling me to "get over it"

every time the Pumpkin Haired Furor lies

yer gonna hear about it from me

if it was good enough treatment for Hillary it's good enough for Trump

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Trump Admits His Threat To Lock Up Clinton Was Just For Show


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-clinton-lock-her-up_us_584b5b53e4b04c8e2bb01274



"“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”

“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”


“No, it’s okay,” Trump said as the crowd jeered a reference to Clinton. “Forget it. That plays great before the election. Now, we don’t care, right?”



I posted TRUMP'S OWN WORDS x 3

just in case anyone missed it the first time


YOU'VE BEEN CONNED

GET OVER IT LOL


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too many conflicts of interest here ,with his bussineses

i doubt he will be able to take office,

i doubt if he like being told when and where to go 

how does President Pence sound ?

and how does it work if he steps down ?


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at this point TOTALLY DISGUSTED doesn't even begin to describe it

Donald Trump Used To Complain About Obama Not Getting Intelligence Briefings

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-intelligence-briefings_us_584dd82fe4b04c8e2bb053b3?32xqjiy70s7wg66r



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I just HAVE to post this again
NO
really
I do

Hedge fund manager 'takes glee' over how Donald Trump conned his voters

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016...ned-his-voters

I have to admit I was a little skeptical when I read the title of this story
after all DKOS is quite liberal
so maybe they slanted this just a tad

HOWEVER
it does include a DIRECT QUOTE

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Hedge fund manager Whitney Tilson was feeling happy Wednesday morning.

After Donald Trump ridiculed Wall Street on the campaign trail, the President-elect tapped former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executive Steven Mnuchin to be his Treasury secretary and billionaire investor Wilbur Ross to lead the Commerce Department. Trump even met with Goldman Sachs President Gary Cohn inside Trump Tower.

It would suit Tilson just fine if voters who backed Trump because he promised to rein in Wall Street are furious now that he’s surrounding himself with bankers and billionaires.

“I can take glee in that -- I think Donald Trump conned them,” said Tilson, who runs Kase Capital Management. “I worried that he was going to do crazy things that would blow the system up. So the fact that he’s appointing people from within the system is a good thing.”

what was that one part again?

'I THINK DONALD TRUMP CONNED THEM"


hmmm
I think Donald Trump CONNED them"

ya thinkLOL
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

"Move on means that after 8 years of lies and corruption and failed campaign promises"

do  you even read what you write ?

you just described in perfect detail Donald Trump (although he has had only a year to LIE)

do you really want me to spell it out ?
do you not keep up with current events ?

good grief

Trumps lies started even before the campaign really began
remember when he said he was going t "self fund" his campaign "
BIG LIE
he actually only funded app 20% or so
that should have been a clue (well to all  but the clueless)

cognitive dissonance rears its head BIGLY as Trump would sayLOL


I definitely do read what I write many times to be sure it makes sense, is accurate, and is spelled right.  My cousin and I, who is die-hard Republican and also a wealthy computer CEO in Silicon Valley have had some fierce discussions about Trump.

Early on I was saying this was a gaslight ruse which cloaks some deeply wrong things.

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2011/11/08/gaslighting/


Effective gaslighting can be accomplished in several different ways. Sometimes, a person can assert something with such an apparent intensity of conviction that the other person begins to doubt their own perspective. Other times, vigorous and unwavering denial coupled with a display of righteous indignation can accomplish the same task. Bringing up historical facts that seem largely accurate but contain minute, hard-to-prove distortions and using them to “prove” the correctness of one’s position is another method. Gaslighting is particularly effective when coupled with other tactics such as shaming and guilting. Anything that aids in getting another person to doubt their judgment and back down will work.

Gaslighting is just one of the many weapons in the arsenal of personalities hell-bent on having their way, even if it means doing so by subtle and covert means of conning others. One of the most important points I make in all my articles, books, and other writings about the narcissistic and most especially, the aggressive personalities, is that they will do whatever it takes to secure and maintain a position of advantage over others. And some of the most effective means at their disposal are tactics that conceal their malevolent intent while simultaneously prompting their “target” to accede to their desires. I outline the most common ones covertly aggressive folks use to manipulate others in my book In Sheep’s Clothing [Amazon-US | Amazon-UK]. But it would be virtually impossible to fully list all of the various tactics expert manipulators use.

Deception is often the key ingredient in manipulation. Deception can be accomplished by outright denial, distortion of key aspects of events, and a variety of other methods, especially the more sophisticated lying techniques. And, as I have mentioned in a prior post (see “Lying: The Ultimate Manipulation Tactic”), a really accomplished liar can deceive another person by merely reciting a litany of absolutely true things — while deliberately and cleverly leaving out one or two crucial elements that would change the entire character of what they’re trying to make you believe. But a common element among all the tactics manipulators use is that they cause the person being targeted to doubt their gut instincts about what’s going on. Their gut tells them they’re under attack or that someone is trying to get the better of them, and they intuitively go on the defensive. But because they often can’t find any clear, direct, objective evidence that the other person is merely trying to disadvantage them, they start doubting and questioning themselves. This is the real secret of effective manipulation. If the “target” were solidly convinced they were in the process of being done in, they’d more likely put up more resistance instead of capitulating. Manipulators know this. They win by getting the other person to back down or give in.

comment: The problem in a complex political environment with huge numbers of candidates using mind-control Uzis through the mainstream media is second-guessing who is lying and about how much.

The U.S. is no longer the mega-hitter they once were against a world where there are third-world nations sitting with a CARE box on their lap and hoping the U.S. will loan them money. 

In fact, one of the basics of an economy changing or money shifting to different people is to get those in power - out.  To replace those  who have everything so locked up and controlled, the voice of the worker and those who have lost control has been silenced.

Short of an all out revolution we have elections. And this time the media lied and tried to convince everyone it was a done deal and everyone hated Trump. Not so.

Yet citing Lawrence of Arabia ("nothing is written") expect those in a room trying to make a deal to cheat. No one in a warzone as the enemy is hidden in the bushes and fires on them, gains anything by yelling "That wasn't fair!"  Well - guess what?   War is not fair. And the U.S. is at war by proxy with some pretty heavy hittters and as long as we continue to slink around with our tail between our legs being sorry, we are going to lose.

We don't need a Nazi or a genocide leader, but we do need a Commander-in-Chief who is a general and tough. Some of the greatest battles have been won not by pure logic, but by someone with a few not-so-sharp tacks in their box.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see what is being done in our economy, the health care system, and especially our foreign policy that is not working. If you want to change things, you don't put people in who are in bed with the policies and those who voted for them in Congress,  that have failed for decades.

How much is gaslight and smoke and mirrors? Most of the Clinton campaign was. I posted 30 minute clips of lying constantly and 180 degree turns on vital issues.

We have a fierce and vocal public. Yet, we do need to unite as a nation - for that is the only way we can show any strength to the world. All this bickering after an election is hurting us.

Every morning when I get up before dawn, I look out at the sky and I think - Med - it's time to move on. Whatever mistakes you have made - wrong choices - terrible disasters you have walked into - it's a new day and you are alive and you can now make better choices.

What is a good choice for the U.S. president? One which will bring about positive change in our economy, our credibility with the world and respect of us from  leaders around the world. As I see it - the stocks are going up - leaders are now willing to negotiate rather than just demand and there is low of level of fear in our enemies about Trump  as to "what in the hell will this person do"?

In any battle - and we are in one with many groups and nations in the world- that must exist. No one is going to negotiate if they are not just a little afraid of what might happen - if they don't.

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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

By and large, I think Trump's detractors are moving on, Med. The election results are pretty much an old story with most people (although the recent CIA assessment of Russia's involvement will likely make it an issue again). Most of the current criticisms seem to center around Trump's cabinet choices, or his behavior on Twitter, the only channel he sees fit to use when communicating with us. As with every incoming president, people are just exercising their right to voice an opinion on the way an administration plans on doing business.

Personally, I'm just worried about post-inauguration Trump. His notoriously thin hide is being protected right now because either he or his team have effectively cut most of his physical ties with the outside world. That will undoubtedly change when he takes office and has to prove he's capable of thinking on his feet and demonstrating a grasp of the issues at hand, without advisers or teleprompters to back him up. Then we'll see if he can step back from his business persona and not expect to berate or litigate his way through a conflict, be it with an adversarial reporter at a White House press conference, or a world leader that won't back down.



Great post, JD!  I'm also worried that his rookie status at world diplomacy will trigger some conflagration somewhere, he seems totally fixated on "making the deal" (as you might expect from a real estate guy), but there's a lot more to diplomacy than deal making. 

This is an excellent article about China and Taiwan, and how Trump could goof it up:

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oh too bad
soooo sadCryCryCry

bad choices tend to lead to BAD consequences

Be happy for coal miners losing their health insurance. They're getting exactly what they voted for

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/12/1610198/-Be-happy-for-coal-miners-losing-their-health-insurance-They-re-getting-exactly-what-they-voted-for

and this is just the beginning,the canary in the coal mine as it were
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/12/us-judge-rejects-green-partys-pennsylvania-recount-case.html

It would appear that the Green Party's recount efforts are basically fizzling.

Pennsylvania recount



A federal judge dealt another blow Monday to the Green Party-backed push for a presidential election recount in key battleground states, rejecting a request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania and scan some county systems for signs of hacking.

The Green Party has made similar attempts at recounts in Wisconsin and Michigan, all states won by President-elect Donald Trump. But while the Wisconsin count is almost done, a federal judge halted Michigan's recount last week – the decision Monday in Pennsylvania amounts to another setback for Jill Stein and her allies.

In his 31-page decision, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond said there were at least six grounds that required him to reject the Green Party's lawsuit, which had been opposed by Trump, the Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Pennsylvania attorney general's office.

Suspicion of a hacked Pennsylvania election "borders on the irrational," wrote Diamond, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, a Republican.

"Most importantly, there is no credible evidence that any `hack' occurred, and compelling evidence that Pennsylvania's voting system was not in any way compromised," Diamond wrote. He also said the lawsuit suffered from a lack of standing, potentially the lack of federal jurisdiction and an "unexplained, highly prejudicial" wait before filing last week's lawsuit, four weeks after the Nov. 8 election.

comment: There are of course humanitarian concerns around the world as per "deal making". Moving people in the Cabinet - who are profounding averse to the stances in the Obama administration is a way to change what is far from a legacy. It is hard to establish any possible good of Obamacare - aggressive anti-business policies which focus more on shutting down the coal and oil industry in the U.S. and bringing in foreign workers and supporting immigrants on the backs of U.S. tax payers.

Despite grumbling against Christians and their profound part as well as the God they believe in, in the establishing of our Democracy, replacing a tradition and history of one nation, under God - with  country torn by division and growing anarchy in the streets, was not something for anyone to be proud of.

The increase in reverse discrimination and a revolution against law enforcement in a time when the inner cities are in sometimes critical states, helped no one.

It would appear most of the world is regrouping to try and deal with a Trump reality. Perhaps he is not a Teddy Roosevelt with his rough riders thundering south of the border in Cuba,
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/roughriders.htm
but why not risk securing the borders, sending illegal immigrant criminals back, and increasing or monitoring of those coming into the U.S. who hate us and would attack America?
How long has it been since we have had a president that might be willing to fight for the American people to fix what is wrong?

Obama is not going to leave behind a glowing legacy of accomplishment or wise decisions no matter how hard they try to spin it that way. It was a disaster for the American people for 8 years and no real gains were made in any significant areas. That is a rather sweeping statement, but over all it is accurate.

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China warns Trump over Taiwan

DECEMBER 13, 20163:29AM

China has expressed "serious concern" following US President-elect Donald Trump's comment United States did not necessarily have to stick to its long-held stance that Taiwan is part of "one China", calling it the basis for relations.

Trump's comments on Fox News Sunday, questioning nearly four decades of US policy, came after he prompted a diplomatic protest from China over his decision to accept a telephone call from Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen on December 2.

China's Foreign Ministry said cooperation was "out of the question" if Washington could not recognise Beijing's core interest on Taiwan, indicating it would reject any effort by Trump to use the issue as a bargaining chip in a long list of commercial and security problems facing the two countries.

"China has noted the report and expresses serious concern about it. I want to stress that the Taiwan issue concerns China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and involves China's core interests," said ministry spokesman Geng Shuang.

"Upholding the 'one China' principle is the political basis for developing China-US ties. If this basis is interfered with or damaged then the healthy development of China-US relations and bilateral cooperation in important areas is out of the question," Geng told a daily news briefing.

In a separate statement, the ministry cited Foreign Minister Wang Yi as warning during a trip to Switzerland against moves to damage the "one China" principle, having been asked by a reporter about Trump's call with Tsai.

"China is paying close attention to developments," Wang said. "I can clearly say that no matter whether the Tsai Ing-wen authority, any other person in the world, or any other force, if they try and damage the one China principle and harm China's core interests, in the end they are lifting a rock only to drop it on their feet."

Despite China's discontent, it has reached out to Trump.

Spokesman Geng said China's top diplomat Yang Jiechi, who outranks the foreign minister, had met with Trump advisers, including his pick for national security adviser, retired Army Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, during a transit in New York on his way to Latin America in recent days.



"Both sides exchanged views on China-US ties and important issues both are concerned with," Geng said, without elaborating.

He did not give a precise date for the meeting, and it was unclear if it occurred before or after Trump's latest remarks on Taiwan, which Beijing considers a renegade province.

Geng urged the incoming Trump administration to fully recognise the sensitivity of the Taiwan issue and uphold a 'one China' policy to "avoid the broader picture of China-US ties being seriously interfered with or damaged".

Trump plans to nominate a long-standing friend of Beijing, Iowa Governor Terry Branstad, as the next US ambassador to China.

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oh look China just INVADED Taiwan......

and North Korea launch at South Korea.....

what  does " the Donald "do next ?

Say's "i  dont belive the reports".........




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"It was a disaster for the American people for 8 years and no real gains were made"

speak for yourself
as I have stated me and my extended family have thrived the last 8 years

INTELLIGENCE IS THE ABILITY TO ADAPT TO CHANGE
Stephen Hawking

there is a reason I keep posting that
it is the crux of the problem

but to adapt to change
you first have to recognize that change has occurred
I would estimate that less than 10% of the population has figured it out yet

we're NOT going back to the good old days
and as some here are fond of SAYING but not DOING  "MOVE ON"

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Med - eight years ago, many of us were discussing the very real possibility of having to prep for a global depression rather than a pandemic. The domestic auto industry was in danger of sinking without trace, foreclosures were running at record levels, and the stock market was dead in the water. Obama certainly didn't do all he promised while he was in office, but considering that house Republicans like Mitch McConnell pledged from the beginning of his presidency to block everything he tried to do, it was remarkable that anything was acheived.

"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
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many Presidents are remembered for the words they have spoken,inspiring words of wisdom that have given the country strength during troubled times
others
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not so much

Haunting Photos Feature Trump’s Sexist Comments Drawn On Women’s Bodies

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0bd9c3dfddf27
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CONFIRMED: Donald Trump Wants Goldman Sachs President for Top Economic Job

CONFIRMED: Donald Trump Wants Goldman Sachs President for Top Economic Job

CONFIRMED: Donald Trump Wants Goldman Sachs President for Top Economic Job

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/12/12/confirmed-donald-trump-wants-goldman-sachs-president-top-economic-job/



the VERY people largely responsible for the 2008 crash that was the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression


but I will be different this time

NO

REALLY

it willTongue

what is that Judge Judy says ?

something to the effect

"doN'T %$%$ on my leg and tell me its raining ' ?


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A Guide to Donald Trump's Huge Debts—and the Conflicts They Present


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/guide-donald-trump-debt


"One of those loans is a $950 million deal that was cobbled together by Goldman Sachs and the state-owned Bank of China"

hey wait a minute

didn't Trump just put A Goldman Sucks guy in charge of something?

yeah,I think he did


good grief

"conflict of interest" doesn't even begin to describe it

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As long as the Federal Reserve Bank controls the currency, presidential elections are nothing more than political theatrics. Ask yourselves a question, since the first time you first cast a ballot in a presidential election, name one thing that has ever truly changed, except for higher taxation, regulations, and more laws. The wars on poverty, homelessness, hunger, illiteracy, drugs, terrorism, and ....... still rages on! For all of the trillions of dollars that have been pissed away, you would think we would have reached Nirvana by now.
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