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floridian
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Posted: January 02 2006 at 12:56pm |
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Came across some research that shows that vitamin E reduces the amount
of virus in the lungs of animals infected with influenza A and B, and
reduces TNF and IL-1, two chemicals associated with the 'cytokine
storm.'
While vitamin E has not been tested on H5N1 infections in humans, this seems to be a safe therapy that might be of value in humans infected with H5N1, which is a type of influenza A. More information at: http://www.med-owl.com/herbal-antivirals/tiki-index.php?page =Vitamin+E Edited by floridian |
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[snip] Thus, among the antioxidants tested, only vitamin E was effective in reducing pulmonary viral titers and preventing an influenza-mediated decrease in food intake and weight loss. Other dietary antioxidant supplementations that reduced one or more measures of oxidative stress (4-hydroxynonenal, malondialdehyde, and hydrogen peroxide) did not have an effect on viral titer, which suggests that, in addition to its antioxidant activity, other mechanisms might be involved in vitamin E's beneficial effect on lowering viral titer and preventing weight loss. [\snip] |
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Thanks Floridian for bringing this to our attention!! A new shipment of d-tocopherol (natural vitamin E) should be arriving today or tomorrow...this is good news. Debi |
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Vitamin E is great for the flu. I ran across this research done with mice that I placed in my book. But, I also found this" Selenium is an anti-oxidant that works well in combination with zinc and other anti-oxidants (such as E) to help reduce the symptoms of influenza. " This is not true, never take selenium with zinc together, they fight for absorption and then both become placebos. Remember selenium and E (works synergistically) or C and E and zinc and C; but never zinc and selenium or within 3 hours of one another.
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road2completion
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Even better is Tumeric as it stops the Bird Flu and keeps your body from going into a cytokine storm.
This info is listed in the US medical research journals. One a day is all you need and they cost about $15.00 a bottle from a health food store. If everyone took it, there would be no need for forced vaccinations so tell everyone you can find. Because you don't want take their "vaccinations" that will acutually get you sick with the bird flu. |
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Thanks for the information & welcome aboard Road2! Tumeric, also known as Curcumin. Shows significant anti-inflammatory properties. Should be combined with peperine to maximize bio availability. Not a silver bullet, but might be a valuable assist. If interested there is some extensive information on this at WWW.LEF.ORG I take this supplement daily, and it is also in my flu preps in great abundance. Edited by SophiaZoe |
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road2completion
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Also make sure the Tumeric
has 95% Curcumin that is the active ingredient for protection
from the bird flu. (Not the grocery store kind but the health food
grade of Tumeric wth 95% Curcuminoids).
I take one a day. |
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Marjo
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Hi!
I use curcumin when I prepare Indian curries. How much should one take to get these beneficial effects?? Marjo |
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I suggested that 95-percent standardized extract of Curcumin which may help against a cytokines storm. This extract is the active anti-inflammatory agent found in the spice turmeric, which inhibits the activity of the 5-lipoxygenase and cyclooxygenase enzymes, blocking the synthesis of pro-inflammatory eicosanoids (PG-2, LTB-4). (Mazumder et al. 1995; Kang et al. 1999). Suggested dosage (or equivalent): Take four 900-mg capsules once per day. You may also take this several times a day, but do not exceed 1,000-mg. Please Read: Author: Shoba G, Joy D, Joseph T, Majeed M, Rajendran R, Srinivas PS The medicinal properties of curcurnin obtained from Curcuma longa L. cannot be utilized because of poor bioavailability due to its rapid metabolism in the liver and intestinal wall. In this study, the effect of combining piperine, a known inhibitor of hepatic and intestinal glucuronidation, was evaluated on the bioavailability of curcumin in rats and healthy human volunteers. When curcumin was given alone, in the dose 2 g/kg to rats, moderate serum concentrations were achieved over a period of 4 h. Concomitant administration of piperine 20 mg/kg increased the serum concentration of curcumin for a short period of 1-2 h post drug. Time to maximum was significantly increased (P < 0.02) while elimination half life and clearance significantly decreased (P < 0.02), and the bioavailability was increased by 154%. On the other hand in humans after a dose of 2 g curcumin alone, serum levels were either undetectable or very low. Concomitant administration of piperine 20 mg produced much higher concentrations from 0.25 to 1 h post drug (P < 0.01 at 0.25 and 0.5 h; P < 0.001 at 1 h), the increase in bioavailability was 2000%. The study shows that in the dosages used, piperine enhances the serum concentration, extent of absorption and bioavailability of curcumin in both rats and humans with no adverse effects. • Also note: Turmeric (Curcuma botanical group) a part of the ginger family of herbs, the Zingiberaceae is showing promise against this deadly disease. Read more here! Edited by KillerFlu.net |
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Added info: Poor Nutrition May Give Rise to Deadlier Viruses Human influenza virus, which has passed through laboratory mice raised on a diet deficient in the antioxidant selenium, mutates and emerges from the mice more virulent than before.14-Jun-01 For more Details Edited by KillerFlu.net |
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Yuk! I have tried several times to take Selenium but I never seem to be able to force myself beyond one day. It is such a beneficial supplement but ee-gads the repeat is awful. April, have you ever taken it? Anyone out there? Is there one type that isn't prone to this? D. |
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Hello everyone, I have a ton of homework to get done tonight for my college. So I will answer as soon as I can. I love to answer questions and I love even more to learn. I hope to help you all as you have helped me. April
PS - I buy Vitamin World's Selenium and it goes down well, but then again I can take anything and it doesn't bother me! I only buy from the best quality from Vitacost.com, Vitamin World and sometimes GNC (in that order) all have good quality for the cost. |
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Marjo, my Curcumin is 900 mg & I take it twice a day when I am diligent about morning and night dosage. There is no recommended daily allowance. But I think somewhere along the line I have seen that the culinary spice is healthful too but just not as concentrated a dose. I have had arthritis in my back for years and I am also a cancer survivor. Curcumin is a star of a supplement for both of these conditions because of its anti-inflammatory properties. It is this property that recommends it for H5N1. |
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Dear Road to Completion, I see you wrote that tumeric "stops the bird flu and keeps your body from going into cytokine storm." Please site medical/scientific evidence for this and please be specific. There's a huge difference between calming a symptom and curing a deadly virus. I hope in the future when someone has a "cure" for avian flu that they would back up their statements with well documented evidence from a reliable source. If this is to be a valuable site we must be credible. Some of the things I have read here are just plain nutty. Some people will actually go out and buy these "cures" and then possibly think that they are invincible. Thanks! Mary Kay RN |
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MK, Had you bothered to look it up you would not have found it nessessary to lash RoadToCompletion. I realize that modern medicine is the be-all-end-all but where will it be when we need it? http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrug s/cur_0087.shtml MECHANISM OF ACTIONThe curcuminoids have been found to have a number of antioxidant activities, including scavenging of such reactive oxygen species as superoxide anions and hydrogen peroxide, inhibition of lipid peroxidation and inhibition of the oxidation of low-density lipoprotein (LDL). The reduced derivative of curcumin, tetrahydrocurcumin, has been found to have even stronger antioxidant activity. Tetrahydrocurcumin may be formed from curcumin following ingestion; however, this is unclear. The possible anticarcinogenic activity of curcumin and the other curcuminoids may be accounted for by a few mechanisms. These include inhibition of angiogenesis, upregulation of apoptosis, interference with certain signal transduction pathways that are critical for cell growth and proliferation, inhibition of colonic mucosa cyclooxygenase (COX) and lipoxygenase (LOX) activities and inhibition of farnesyl protein transferase. In addition to its possible activity in preventing malignant transformation and inhibiting tumor growth, curcumin may have antimetastatic potential, as well. In this regard, curcumin has been found to inhibit matrix metalloproteinase-9 in a human hepatocellular carcinoma cell line. The possible anticarcinogenic activity of the curcuminoids may be attributed, at least in part, to their ability to inhibit activation of the transcription factors NF-KappaB and AP-1. Curcuminoids have also been found to target the fibroblast growth factor-2 (FGF-2) angiogenic signaling pathway and inhibit expression of gelatinase B in the angiogenic process. In the final analysis, the curcuminoids' antioxidant activity may underlie many of the above mechanisms. Reactive oxygen species (ROS) can activate AP-1 and NF-KappaB. Further, FGF-2 induces AP-1 activation via ROS produced through NADPH oxidase. The curcuminoids, acting as antioxidants, may interfere with the ability of FGF-2 to stimulate AP-1, and they may generally inhibit the activation of NF-KappaB and AP-1. The possible anti-inflammatory activity of the curcuminoids may also be accounted for by several mechanisms, including inhibition of COX and LOX, reduction of the release of ROS by stimulated neutrophils, inhibition of AP-1 and NF-KappaB, and inhibition of the activation of the pro-inflammatory cytokines TNF (tumor necrosis factor) -alpha and IL (interleukin)-1 beta. Curcumin has modest anti HIV-1 activity. It has been found to inhibit HIV-1 and HIV-2 proteases, HIV-1 LTR (long terminal repeat)-directed gene expression, Tat-mediated transactivation of HIV-1-LTR and HIV-1 integrase. All of these actions have been demonstrated in vitro. There is no evidence that curcumin or the other curcuminoids significantly inhibit the replication of HIV-1 in vivo. The mechanism of the possible hypocholesterolemic effect of the curcuminoids is unclear. |
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One last one and then I think I have provided enough information if you choose to investigate further why Curcumin was recommended by RtC. https://enzy.com/abstracts/display.asp?id=1961
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Sophia, OUCH!
RTC didn't "recommend" tumeric, he said it would, quote "stop bird flu," A BIG DIFFERENCE. All I asked is that he back up his statement with evidence. It certainly wasn't a "lashing." jeeze! Do you think we should just believe everything we read on this site? Are we not allowed to question some of these bizzare cures? BTW, he never named a research journal specifically, so there wasn't anything to read, as you chastised me for not reading his article. Anyone can say there are US research journal articles, but if you can't name them, what evidence is that? The ref. you used in no way stated it cured bird flu. Just wasn't there. I read the entire article. I've heard all kinds of cures from hypothermia to vitamins to spices, but not one word of proof of anyone ever being cured by them. If this site is to be credible it must provide well documented evidence when making claims of cures. Make sense? Mary Kay RN Edited by Mary Kay |
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Mary, no one will be able to give solid medical evidence of any kind until after this virus becomes a pandemic, as all medical documentation. Almost all “pharmaceutical drugs” are made from natural products such as: aspirin, cholesterol lowering drugs, Tamiflu, etc… With that said I am not impressed by titles of Doctor or RN, unless they can think outside the box. Many "regular folk" know more than the RNs and Doctors in the I feel most of the Case in point however off the medical subject. In the dental field we are told amalgams or silver fillings are A OK to have in our heads. Yet, one dental amalgam taken out of your mouth and thrown into a 10 acre pond would be contaminated for 10 or more years to include all the fish. Years ago because the government had no agency to govern the “silver or amalgam” fillings and they were banned after extensive evidence showed that they were toxic for humans (and still to this day they are banned in many countries). So the SAME people who patented the amalgam found the loophole in the law and formed the I have been very busy with college work and launching a new product so I have to been able to come to this site and see what has been going on, however I want you to know one has been known to work in a study; see below: Black Elderberry: (Sambucol) A study in
clinical trial in Israel showed that a preparation not only ended cases of the flu within three days, but increased antibody production. (I believe all these studies have been conducted on Natures Way Sambucol) The effect of Sambucol, a black elderberry-based, natural product, on the production of human cytokines: I. Inflammatory cytokines. RESEARCH A variety of research data from studies conducted around the world have proven Sambucol® to be effective in shortening the duration of the flu and lessening flu symptoms. Below are some research highlights: Effect of Sambucol® on several strains of Influenza virus Sambucol®, a standardized extract, is a preparation based on the berries of the black elder, used as herbal remedy for influenza virus infections. It contains a potent antiviral compound, AntiVirin® as well as a high amount of three flavonoids (Bronnum-Hansen and Hansen, 1983). The flavonoids are naturally occurring plant antioxidants. Laboratory Tests Sambucol® reduced hemagglutination and inhibited replication of human influenza virus type A, type B and animal strains from swine and turkeys in cell cultures. Clinical Study A double-blind placebo-controlled clinical study was conducted during an outbreak of influenza B Panama. A significant improvement of the symptoms, including fever, was seen in 93.3% of the cases in Sambucol® treated group within 2 days. A complete cure was achieved within 2 to 3 days in nearly 90% of the Sambucol® treated group and within at least 6 days in the placebo group. "Inhibition of Several Strains of Influenza Virus in Vitro and Reduction of Symptoms by an Elderberry Extract (Sambucus nigra L) during an Outbreak of Influenza B Panama", Z. Zakay-Rones et al. J. Alt Compl Med 1:361-369;1995. other studies also, but lost the info. Edited by KillerFlu.net |
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Killerflu, quoting you,...."no one will be able to give solid medical evidence of any kind until after this virus becomes a pandemic"....
Of course, the virus needs to mutate to H2H to be a "pandemic virus." If a scientist then finds a "cure" they could prove it by factual scientific EVIDENCE. This is a no brainer. All I was saying is if one claims that something will "STOP the bird flu" then you need to back up your statement with scientific F A C T S. "Nuff said. www.planforflu.com is an excellent site for info/lists to prepare. Mary Kay RN Edited by Mary Kay |
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MK, That quote you credited to me was from KillerFlu (April). |
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Hello everyone, I am making my alternative flu heath list and checking it twice. I have to get in a college paper and then I will show you my alternative list. However, I am sure that many know more than me, lots of smarties on this site! April
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koolsteve
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what natural foods have vitamen E in them?
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koolsteve, Please Google your question. We are not here to lead people around by the nose. |
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koolsteve
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that hurts zoe, that hurts real bad.
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Deej
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koolsteve, veggie oils, nuts- dry roasted almonds ,peanuts, green leafy veggies, fortified cereals, peanut butter... hope this helps |
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