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Satori
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Technpphobe,one thing about "Christians",at least in this country
their political beliefs almost always override their so called spiritual beliefs in my entire life I have known only a small number of true followers of Christ I can count them on one hand No, We Are Not Going To Get Single Payer Under Donald Trump http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/no...le-payer-under we have absolutely NO reason to trust Trump on this or anything else ,his track record speaks volumes "Trump's promises are of the say-anything variety familiar to anyone who paid attention to Trump University: The ads for his university were classic Donald Trump -- Trump stares into the camera and proclaims: "We're going to have professors and adjunct professors that are absolutely terrific people, terrific brains, successful. We are going to have the best of the best... and these are people that are handpicked by me." ... [But in] Trump's own deposition [in] December [2015], Trump failed to recognize the name of a single presenter or teacher at his real estate seminars. He also confirmed he had nothing to do with the selection process of instructors who taught at the school's events or mentors for the school's "Gold Elite" programs. A review of Trump University presenters and so-called real estate experts found many with questionable credentials and inflated resumes. Court documents show background-checks conducted during the hiring process could not determine whether some instructors even graduated high school." |
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Technophobe
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Assuming Trump fails to instigate world war 3,* but does this successfully, I would forgive him everything else and call him the greatest President you ever had over there.** For a country so rich to have such an awful healthcare system amounts to a national disgrace. For God's sake America, even Cuba manages a national health service and has a far better life expectancy than you do!
Most Americans say they are Christians: yet, ask them to pay for the treatment of the sick out of their tax dollars (even though it would extend their own life expectancy and that of their nearest and dearest as well) and nearly half of them start crying about how unfair it is. Amazing!
* Yet to be shown. ** More to the point, I will admit to being totally wrong about him. |
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CRS, DrPH
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I thought the exact same thing, Satori! Let's just say that I'm skeptical for now. The Republicans will not allow an expansion of government into healthcare (which I would support), and the private insurance companies do NOT want to offer insurance to folks like me (I'm full of pre-existing conditions that disqualify me from almost any plan). This is a great article discussing feasible alternatives (IF they can get past Paul Ryan): Congress should replace that approach with a more direct one: Offer Medicaid or Medicare coverage to anybody turned down by private insurance. Or simply create a high-risk insurance pool similar to the ones that states create for problem drivers. This would protect insurance companies against the sick-customer “death spiral” and protect patients against premature death.
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Satori
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if Trump pulls this off and it is not some sort of scam
I may have to change my tune Trump vows 'insurance for everybody' in replacing Obamacare https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vow...021026295.html |
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CRS, DrPH
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^Trump is out of his element....a rich boy growing up in his daddy's business, and then his own, he could give anyone he wanted the finger & often did.
He's made many, many enemies, and this will come back to haunt him. I'm waiting for his tax returns to be leaked after he takes the oath and becomes President, as this could show his foreign involvements and lead to impeachment. Anything can happen, prepare accordingly. |
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carbon20
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after i wrote the "LAST POST"
i read this CIA Director John Brennan on Sunday had a stern parting message for Republican Donald Trump days before he assumes the US presidency, cautioning him against loosening sanctions on Russia and warning him to watch what he says. Brennan rebuked the president-elect for comparing US intelligence practices to Nazi Germany in comments that laid bare the friction between Trump and the intelligence community he has criticised and is on the verge of commanding. In an interview with Fox News Sunday, Brennan questioned the message sent to the world if the president-elect broadcasts that he does not have confidence in the United States' own intelligence agencies. "What I do find outrageous is equating intelligence community with Nazi Germany," Brennan said. "I do take great umbrage at that." His comments followed a tumultuous week of finger-pointing between Trump and intelligence agency leaders over an unsubstantiated report of compromising information Moscow had collected on Trump. The unverified dossier was summarised in a US intelligence report presented to President Barack Obama and Trump this month that concluded Russia tried to sway the outcome of the Nov. 8 election by hacking and other means. It did not make an assessment on whether the attempts were successful. Trump accused the intelligence community of leaking the compromising information, which its leaders denied. They said it was their responsibility to inform the president-elect that the allegations were being circulated. Brennan sounded an alarm on the topic of US relations with Russia, something Trump has vowed to improve as he beats back criticism that he is too eager to make an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump does not yet have a full understanding of Russia's actions, Brennan said, noting its seizure of Crimea from Ukraine, its support for President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's civil war and Moscow's activities in the cyber realm. "Mr. Trump has to understand that absolving Russia of various actions it has taken in the past number of years is a road that he I think needs to be very, very careful about moving down," he told Fox. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal published on Friday, Trump suggested he might do away with sanctions imposed by the Obama administration in late December in response to alleged cyber attacks if Moscow proves helpful in battling terrorists and reaching other US goals. Russian relationsThe president-elect's comments about Putin and his reluctance to assign blame to Moscow for the hacking of Democratic political groups has opened him up to criticism that he will be too soft on Russia. For months, Trump had publicly doubted US intelligence conclusions about the cyber attacks before acknowledging at a news conference on Wednesday that he thought Russia was behind the hacking. Vice President-elect Mike Pence told the Fox program, "What the president-elect is determined to do is to explore the possibility of better relations." Pence did not say whether Trump would undo some of the sanctions and diplomatic expulsions Obama had slapped on Moscow. He confirmed Trump's incoming national security adviser, Michael Flynn, held conversations with the Russian ambassador around the time the sanctions were imposed, but said the talks "were not in any way related to the new US sanctions against Russia or the expulsion of diplomats." However, Pence denied that Trump's political team had any contact with Russian officials during the presidential campaign. "Of course not," he told Fox. Leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee said on Friday they will investigate alleged Russian attempts to influence the election and any links between Russia and the political campaigns. Brennan also on Sunday said Trump needs to be mindful about his off-the-cuff remarks once he takes the oath of office on Friday, alluding to his penchant for making broad pronouncements on Twitter. "Spontaneity is not something that protects national security interests," Brennan said. "So therefore when he speaks or when he reacts, just make sure he understands that the implications and impact on the United States could be profound. "It's more than just about Mr. Trump. It's about the United States of America." Reuters Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/world/us-election/cia-director-warns-donald-trump-on-easing-moscow-sanctions-and-what-he-says-20170115-gtrymn#ixzz4Vs3cdlDR Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook |
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carbon20
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maybe thats his Skill Doc,
i too like some of the team he has picked, he does seem to open his mouth!!!!! without engaging his brain (i very guilty of that) maybe its time to call a spade a shovel maybe time to shake them all up, my cousin who lives in the states says 'nothing will happen ,government moves very slowley over ther as is the case everywhere, he does have the advantage over Obama , he has both houses ,where Obama had his hands tied,someting folks seem to have forgotten, i just hope it all works out, for the good for all our American MATES FINGERS CROSSED just hope he got what it takes.....
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Satori
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Med you constantly post some lengthy OPINION pieces
but you NEVER post ANY links to back up ANYTHING you say its kinda hard to take you as a credible source you do a great job of reposting right wing TALKING POINTS I know because I frequent the right wing sites as much as I do left wing ones still waiting on that evidence of the MASSIVE voter fraud thingy |
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CRS, DrPH
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Relevant reading in the Australian press: US secretary of state nominee Rex Tillerson's astounding remarks about the United States threatening to block China accessing contested islands in the South China Sea is an example of how domestic politics in Washington or Beijing could "trump" cooler heads prevailing and lead to a clash between the world's two biggest powers. Anything can happen after 20th January, when Trump becomes President. Thus far, I am considerably more impressed by some of his Cabinet picks than I am by Trump himself - there is push-back on dealing with Russia for example. However, Trump's actions thus far do not inspire confidence in me (a longtime Republican who has worked on several political campaigns for US Representative, Senator and President). I'm quite alarmed that he is cozy to Russia (NOT a friend of the USA at this time), provocative to China, and all over the map on domestic policies. His very low approval ratings thus far reflect his inconsistencies. I certainly did not want Hillary at any point, she was and is a crook. I supported other Republican nominees, although none were very impressive to the base of voters. This was a cursed election. Maybe I'm wrong, and Trump will be brilliant? I'm doubtful. |
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Medclinician
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I think you are wrong and as I have been posting what we have the most to fear from is not Trump - it is the extremely violent and upset liberals that lost and will not accept it. Wall street is one indicator that our economy, the business world and countries that have been taking our jobs, our factories and our money away are about to have to sit down and deal with a business man. You need to consider the source of all these stories as well as the reality he will be our president if some radical doesn't shoot him first - January 19, 2017. That is 4 days. What America has done has taken the control of at least some of the government away from the huge powerful states of California and New York and given some representation to the South and Midwest who are fed up with racial and gender issues taking priority over our foreign policy and survival as a nation on the planet. During the Obama years we were shamed and in one unsuccessful military disaster after another. It was a far cry from when we charged into Baghdad after Iraq attacked and invaded Kuwait. Most of these stories coming out are not true and afterwards when they are found to be false, the media will not own up to it. It is not good to have countries run by lawyers. That is why the new cabinet - despite all kinds of opposition will change the course of history in building up our military, and move from reality cable where scandal after scandal are use to invalidate the legitimacy of a president elected fairly and legally. We need to move on. Obama is not going to declare a national emergency, martial law at the "riots" being planned by forces which are hired guns and not in our best interests. Most of the recent presidents have not fulfilled their campaign promises. The world leaders respect Trump more than Hillary despite the fact he is not a movie star or especially loved by some of the minority groups. Europeans needs a stronger America as does the U.K. What have we done? We have elected a president that despite the actors and those trying to get attention for special interest gender or racial groups have lost. Medclinician |
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"not if but when" the original Medclinician
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I really hope I'm wrong about the man,but pushing 60 ,and been around a bit ,I think I got a good take on folks.....
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Thanks, C20! It's pretty damn discouraging up here, watching it go on. |
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above is typical TRUMP.
DEFLECT the blame ,ATTACK ,DERIDE,CALL PEOPLE LIARS,DISS them, hope the news cycle moves on, the fool is your PRESIDENT DONT YOU SEE WHAT HE IS UP TO........ SMOKE AND MIRRORS
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Donald Trump reprises campaign attacks against former rival Hillary Clinton declaring her 'guilty as hell'Updated 40 minutes ago US President-elect Donald Trump has reprised his election campaign attacks on Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, declaring her "guilty as hell" and deriding her supporters' criticism of how the FBI handled an investigation into her emails. The US Justice Department said on Thursday it would investigate an FBI decision to announce an inquiry into Mrs Clinton's emails shortly before the November 8 election, a move she has blamed as a factor in her defeat. "What are Hillary Clinton's people complaining about with respect to the FBI. Based on the information they had, she should never have been allowed to run — guilty as hell," Mr Trump wrote on Twitter. "They were VERY nice to her. She lost because she campaigned in the wrong states — no enthusiasm!" Mr Trump often led crowds in chants of "lock her up!" during the 2016 election campaign, accusing Mrs Clinton of illegal conduct over her use of a private email server for official correspondence while she was secretary of state under President Barack Obama. In a debate in October, the Republican real estate developer vowed Mrs Clinton would "be in jail" over the matter if he became president, but later said he would not pursue prosecution. Some of the Clinton emails were determined to contain classified information, and the FBI ultimately decided not to refer her case for prosecution. The Democrats said FBI Director James Comey's announcement of the new inquiry into the emails damaged her standing with voters right before the election, and he faced complaints that his moves were politically motivated. Brian Fallon, Clinton's spokesman, told MSNBC on Thursday that Mr Comey's actions "cried out for an independent review". Senator Dick Durbin, the number two Democrat in the US Senate, said Mr Comey's statements were not "fair, professional or consistent with the policies of the Federal Bureau of Investigation". Mr Comey said the FBI would cooperate fully with the investigation. Mr Trump, who will be sworn in on January 20, will not have the power to dismiss the investigation. Federal law permits US presidents to dismiss inspectors general for federal agencies, as long as the president provides Congress a written justification for the removal 30 days in advance. Further questions on Russia's involvementThe comments came as it was revealed that Mr Trump's pick for national security adviser, Michael Flynn, held multiple phone conversations with Russia's ambassador to Washington on the day the US announced "retaliation" for Moscow's interference in the presidential election. The conversations appear to raise further questions about contacts between Mr Trump's advisers and Russian officials at a time when US intelligence agencies contend that Moscow waged a multifaceted campaign of hacking and other actions to boost Mr Trump's election chances over Mrs Clinton. On December 29, Mr Obama ordered the expulsion of 35 Russian suspected spies and imposed sanctions on two Russian intelligence agencies over their involvement in hacking US political groups in the 2016 election. Whether Mr Flynn and Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak discussed those sanctions is unclear. An 18th-century US law, the Logan Act, bars unauthorised citizens from negotiating with foreign governments that are in disputes with the United States. A Trump spokesman said Mr Flynn took a call from the Russian ambassador last month, and discussed setting up a call between the President-elect and Russian President Vladimir Putin after Mr Trump's inauguration. "The call centred around the logistics of setting up a call with the President of Russia and the President-elect after he was sworn in and they exchanged logistical information on how to initiate and schedule that call. That was it, plain and simple," spokesman Sean Spicer said. |
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Satori
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Trump viciously attacked CNN
well.... seems journalists can tell the truth and it was Trump who was LYING AGAIN More Evidence CNN Was Right: Multiple Outlets Confirm Comey Personally Briefed Trump on Dossier http://www.redstate.com/patterico/20...trump-dossier/ "That contradicts claims by members of Trump’s transition team and other news outlets that intelligence officials never briefed Trump on the two-page addendum to a classified report given to President Obama and leaders in Congress about Russian efforts to interfere with the presidential election." |
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Interesting op-ed about the potential destabilization of Europe and NATO in the wake of Brexit and Trump's election win.
Whether you believe Trump's campaign promises or not, it seems we're in for a very turbulent period in world history. Might be wise to beef up those preps, just in case. Uncertain times ahead... Johnray1 - your assessment of journalists also applies to politicians. With that in mind, who do we believe? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/opinion/trumps-pivotal-russian-test.html?_r=0 |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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Satori, I believe you are wrong. If you are a journalist, you can not be honest about anything. We will see. Johnray1
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Satori
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EXCELLENT piece by a Russian journalist on Trumps relationship with the press
A Message To My Doomed Colleagues In The American Media http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexey...tml?1484264929 |
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Very wary of 'guests'=trollbots especially on this subject.....
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and the rabbit hole just gets deeper and DEEPER
Donald Trump was bailed out of bankruptcy by Russia crime bosses http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1...a-crime-bosses "studies by the Financial Times to show how funds from Russian crime lords bailed Trump out after yet anther bankruptcy. The conclusions are stark. Among the powerful facts that DNI missed were a series of very deep studies published in the [Financial Times] that examined the structure and history of several major Trump real estate projects from the last decade—the period after his seventh bankruptcy and the cancellation of all his bank lines of credit. ... The money to build these projects flowed almost entirely from Russian sources. In other words, after his business crashed, Trump was floated and made to appear to operate a successful business enterprise through the infusion of hundreds in millions of cash from dark Russian sources. He was their man." Dirty money: Trump and the Kazakh connection https://www.ft.com/content/33285dfa-...8-d3778b55a923 the Buzzfeed expose is small potatoes |
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For Trump it would be:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln |
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He showed that he a weak man ,not up to the scrutiny,not used having to answer to others ,interesting to watch ,dictator in the making ,indeed what have you done America......spoilt brat in charge.....
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Satori
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indeed
what have you done? Donald Trump to America: I Won, Accountability Is Over http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/donald-trump-to-america-i-won-accountability-is-over.html "Perhaps the most chilling thing about the affair was the abuse Trump and his staffers hurled upon the press corps. Trump brought in supporters to cheer his answers and shout at reporters who asked tough questions. He lambasted CNN as “fake news,” a term originally applied to deliberately false stories concocted by trolls, but quickly repurposed by conservatives for use against any news article that they disapprove of for any reason. Trump’s press secretary threatened to eject CNN reporter Jim Acosta if he continued to demand the chance to ask a question, which Trump refused to grant." "TRUMP BROUGHT IN SUPPORTERS TO CHEER HIS ANSWERS AND SHOUT AT REPORTERS WHO ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS" ". His early behavior is consistent with (though far from proof of) the thesis that he is an emerging autocrat. The people have granted him license to steal and hide as he wishes. The bully has his pulpit." are you beginning now to see what you have unleashed? are the pieces starting to come together? where in history have we seen this type of thing before? God help us...... just how much clearer can it get? even a deaf and blind man can see the mistake that was made putting this megalomaniac into office |
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