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    Posted: September 05 2019 at 9:12pm
War;

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-iran-lifts-all-restriction-on-nuclear-bomb-research and https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/09/06/605453/Iran-EU-Zarif-Mogherini-letter-JCPOA-third-step-nuclear-RD, https://www.debka.com/pompeo-to-lebanon-get-rid-of-2nd-iranian-missile-factory-or-face-us-backed-israeli-attack/

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/09/05/605441/EU-talking-Riyadh-Saudi-sponsored-terrorism and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-vows-to-open-the-gates-to-europe-for-syrian-refugees-if-eu-doesnt-help/, https://southfront.org/us-purchased-weapons-in-hands-of-isis-in-yemen-investigation/

DJ; The "War on Terror" is-basicly-a "war on US made terror". By getting out of the Iran-deal Trump opened the door for a "rat-race" for escalation between the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel for increasing tensions with Iran.
Each have their own agenda, the US want to block China's new silk road.

Climate Crisis;

https://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/ DJ from Lingling to Dorian all moving towards the Arctic. https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2591.6300.html the Arctic melting season seems far from over.

On the arctic sea ice forum the message is getting clear; sea ice extent may-in theory-stay above the record 2012 level, the quality of the sea ice is much worse. (When 15% of a square mile/km is covered with ice it is seen as fully covered. This year there is hardly any multi year ice left. In many area's the "ice" is thin, slushy, or snow on water. )

We may not have a "Blue Ocean Event" (=less than 1 milion square km's of sea-ice in the Arctic) but practically we are at that turning point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_Up5p_INs&t=30s Paul Beckwith on the link between climate crises and more and stronger hurricanes.
(Dorian had the strenght of a F3/F4 tornado but lasted two days over Bermuda.)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-03/life-threatening-inundation-hurricane-dorian-set-hammer-east-coast-all-week-long
Hurricanes can do that much damage to nuclear plants another Fukushima is only a matter of time. (On Fukushima http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/09/2020-tokyo-olympic-games-to-reassure.html)

And-of course-https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/hurricanes-may-cause-earthquakes-38447485/ hurricanes move mega tons of water over the tectonic plates transferring seismic pressure wich increase the number of earthquakes.
Since a lot of hurricanes/cyclones end up in the Arctic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound is another factor/link between hurricanes and earthquakes.

https://thebulletin.org/2019/08/there-is-no-plan-b-for-dealing-with-the-climate-crisis/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Newsletter09052019&utm_content=ClimateChange_Pierrehumbert_09032019

Ebola;

https://www.who.int/csr/don/29-august-2019-ebola-drc/en/
Ebola in Congo may be passed the 3000 cases.
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BPEarthwatch listing wildfires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZvGEexNNmg (DJ-The list may include some red dots of places were there is no wildfire-there is no major fire in the Netherlands even there are some red dots).

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-22/us-drown-world-oil
DJ-It is unfair to only blame Trump or the US for escalating climate collapse. Most countries do not even a minimum to solve any problem. The Paris-agreement is only words-politics fail.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/alleged-israeli-airstrike-in-iraq-is-declaration-of-war-official/ and https://www.rt.com/newsline/467088-turkey-summit-syria-russia/
DJ-Israel seems to be pushing for war. Most likely Russia is willing to give air cover in Lebanon and Iraq against US/Israel agression. (DJ-But why does the US and Israel not simply talk, use diplomacy ?)
https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-august-22-2019-khan-shaykhun-liberated-northern-hama-pocket-next/ Turkey and US agree on Turkish "safe-zone" in Kurdish held Syria. (DJ-This will further move the Kurds into talks with Assad. Already in Afrin-area SAA and Kurds fight pro-Turkish forces. The risk of pro-Assad forces invited to move into Kurdish held area's in East Syria is growing. US forces may find themselves isolated both in Syria as in Iraq (and Afghanistan). Trump's plan to get US forces out of those area's may need more urgency.)
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url]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-15/food-shortage-warnings-begin-tropical-storm-barry-rips-through-americas-heartland[/url], https://paulbeckwith.net/2019/07/13/not-in-eighty-years-but-now-global-food-climate-casinos-new-orleans/

DJ-US food production must be getting a problem-with the US in trade wars with almost all other nations food-import will not be easy (because also global food production is a problem.)

https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/07/more-on-earthquakes-in-california.html

DJ-To be optimistic-the present over 10.000 smaller quakes in the SW-US may be release of pressure-the "best scenario"-much better than a (still possible) larger quake.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-warns-turkey-against-launching-military-operation-east-of-euphrates/ (DJ-Turkey may be working with Iran and Assad against the (US backed) Kurds. Turkey and Iran already cooperating in Iraq.)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-troops-allegedly-spotted-in-venezuela/ (DJ-China is a major investor in Venezuelan oil.)

DJ-The US foreign policy is a major disaster for the US. "Natural-man made-disasters" and the dumping of the US$ for international trade could bring the US "a third world status" high speed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arwbhmrX3zs:
New Orleans flooding: 'Parts of Uptown are flooding that I've never seen flooded before'-New Orleans City Councilman Jason Williams talked about flooding in New Orleans on July 10, 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1O8VGJChPg Tropical Tidbit-The surge/rain is the main problem-coming weekend. DJ-How people are able to evacuete with streets flooded ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxVSABGsHTc Paul Beckwith:

Once again, New Orleans, LA (NOLA) is threatened with inundation, which could result in yet another water-world type flooding disaster. About a week ago, the European forecast models projected a low pressure region developing and passing southward from land into the Gulf of Mexico, strengthening into a potential hurricane in the exceptionally warm ocean surface waters, and then looping back ashore near NOLA. Unfortunately, this projection is playing out. The tropical storm, likely to become Hurricane Barry will dump several feet of water around and inside the city within a few short days. This huge amount of water will add to the already swollen, record duration flooding of the Mississippi River, which is at great risk of overtopping levees, flooding the city yet again.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/085028.shtml?rainqpf#contents

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/085028.shtml?ero#contents flash flood

DJ-Will Mississippi turn into a lake ? Extreme warm water in the gulf may give extra energy for "Barry". Is there a chance of "Barry" moving into land-back to the gulf-and then go land again ?

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/07/a-deadly-brain-eating-amoeba-in.html:
A potentially deadly brain-eating amoeba has been detected in a Louisiana neighbourhood's drinking water - the third time the terrifying discovery has been made in the same parish since 2015, reports said.
Naegleria fowleri, which causes fatal brain swelling and tissue destruction, was found over the weekend in Terrebonne Parish, deep in the Louisiana bayou about an hour south of New Orleans, WWL-TV reported.

DJ-A cubic meter of water=1000 kilo/a ton-this storm will move millions of tonnes of water into the Mississippi-delte while California is dealing with extreme seismic unrest. "Not a good combination".
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DJ-What phase are we in-at present-climate change-wise ? The way I understand it you could compare it with being in an airplane with enginefailure. Passengers may start remarking how silent the flight is-when they notice at all that the engines stopped working. As long as there is enough speed and altitude the plane keeps horizontal-more or less....

Climate change does not only mean increase of (global) temperature and extreme weather (as a polar vortex), it also increases risks of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions-especialy in colder regions. Less snow and ice means less pressure on the earth-the balances are shifting-pressures from inside the earths crust get more room.

Those pressures could bring earthquakes. Those quakes do bring more methane and other green house gases. Also glaciers may get disrupted, tsunami-waves will further erode any ice surface.

Volcanic eruptions could cool the planet in some scenario's by putting up gases in the stratosphere that limit energy from the sun getting to the earth surface. But in polar regions volcanic eruptions may melt/warm ice, cause more water vapor, warm up the ocean. Also under water eruptions could change the chemistry of the water and by that the ability to contain heat. (Salt water/ice melts at -2C as an example).

I-DJ-think we have to do everything we can to slow climate change, try to buy time. But it is preparing emergency equipment on an already sinking (global) Titanic.

Guy McPherson calls it "damned if you do, damned if you do not". "Hopium".
I think that new ways of removing CO2 (etc) from the atmosphere-on a very large scale-could have made a difference 20-or so-years ago. The "plastic soup" we call our oceans reflect humans tendency for self-destruction.

It is sad to think that the only "succes" we may archieve as human species is self-destruction. Another insane "world-war" will only speed up this proces. We-as human species-have failed....(sorry for the coming generation-enjoy while you can-it will not last long.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-30/making-juan-guaido-how-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader
Another year another western (US-EU-Can/Aus) backed coup. From a.o. the former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Brazil, Nicaragua, Iran, now "the west is bringing democracy to Venezuela". No doubt regime change is what the "west" wants for Russia and China. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-30/armed-services-committee-chairman-warns-us-and-china-headed-world-war-iii Most likely it is not "if" but "when" things get out of control.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/01/when-former-spies-run-wild-bad-things-happen.html,
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/01/26/cia-expert-saudi-has-nukes-building-icbms/

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Arctic-Day-Midwest-US?cm_ven=cat6-widget Extreme weather is getting only more extreme. http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/heatwave/, https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-methane-emissions-rise-despite-tougher-laws-satellite-data-shows?

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/01/a-revision-of-future-climate-change-trends.html There is a race between climate change and world war-3.

(DJ-I take great distance from following developments close. It is total insanity with "fake-democracy-politicians" and "press" simply producing propaganda. Maybe a good development is an increase of protest in the west-when it is not used for regime-change-efforts to bring even worse "leaders". Another interesting development https://www.empr.com/features/are-obesity-and-climate-change-connected/article/321099/-a 2013 article but the links are getting more clear. We are combining self-destruction with destruction of our planet.)
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DJ-There have been several (US, UN) reports on climate change and the (lack of) response by the international community. Politics seems to be over "how we eat our planet not how to save our planet".
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/11/dangerous-situation-in-arctic.html and
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/11/as-el-nino-sets-in-will-global-biodiversity-collapse-in-2019.html
HOW FAST COULD 5°C WARMING HAPPEN?

The U.S. Global Change Research Program has just released its Fourth National Climate Assessment. One of its key messages is that temperatures could rise by 5°C or more. The report adds that this could occur by the end of the century, but the report doesn't deny this could also occur much earlier. Indeed, one of its key findings is that some feedbacks and potential state shifts cannot be quantified; and some are probably still unknown.

What the report doesn't mention is that global biodiversity will have collapsed at 5°C of warming. Such a rise kills all plants on land and thus virtually all mammals (including humans), since they either directly or indirectly feed on plants.

A rapid 5°C rise could occur if an influx of warm salty water triggered methane eruptions from the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean. Combined with snow and ice loss, it could rapidly raise temperatures by 1.5°C, which increases water vapor. If cloud feedback is strongly positive, water vapor feedback can lead to 3.5 times as much warming, so these warming elements alone could cause more than 5°C warming within years.

And then, of course, there are further warming elements.

DJ-Further wars will worsen the climate situation. Wars in the (Ant)Arctic are a worse case scenario....

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2018/11/monster-dust-storms-torrential-rains.html Summer in Australia...
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http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/11/doomsday-by-2021.html
conclusion:

The events as described above could result in a combined additional warming due to changes in aerosols of up to 2.5°C (4.5°F) in a matter of years.

The prospect of such a sequence of events makes a Doomsday-by-2021 warning appropriate.

DJ-https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-09/will-taiwan-question-give-rise-world-war-iii-scenario, https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-09/superbugs-pose-very-real-threat-humanity

A "mega-mix" of events can destroy our "civilization"-and to be realistic; it could happen any minute and go very fast.

From nuclear war to economic collapse-disasters often combine. The present "political" chaos in the US is dangerous but not unique. The EU is facing a powerstruggle between Merkel and Macron with a Brexit, Italy/Euro-crisis and "East European" challanges.

The "foundation" of currencies is under threat. The US$ link with energy is a thing of the past-this will also effect the €/Euro and other currencies-and with that the global economy.

The "captains of states" are no longer in control of their "ships". (The stock-exchanges may go up-expressed in some currencies that keep fluctuating with one another but those currencies-mix may fall. (Example share goes from 100 US$ to 105 US$ in a month-but the €/US$ goes from 1,25 to 1,15 so expressed in Euro's the share is losing value-not gaining. Putting the US$, € pound etc in the same basket and that basket compared to gold, oil etc the loss could be even greater.) Western economies may be "bubble based" and the bubble may collapse...
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DJ-One of the major problems is that the IPCC is lying;
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/10/ipcc-keeps-feeding-the-addiction.html

Of course media claiming that extreme weather causing billions worth of damage https://www.wunderground.com/news/storms/hurricane/news/2018-10-10-hurricane-michael-billion-dollar-weather-disasters-2018 are "incidents" are part of the problem as well. Failing to connect the dots, draw conclusions is misleading the public.

Most of the media are owned by those who also have interests in fossil fuels.

The only positive trend is that more and more people realize that doing nothing will cost much more then-finaly-try to deal with rapid escalating climate change. https://www.voanews.com/a/wfp-climate-change-to-accelerate-world-hunger/4612092.html
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http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/10/what-does-runaway-warming-look-like.html

DJ-"Michael" may be a symptom of a "disease" called (rapid) climate change.
The shocking fact is that a sharp temperature increase may happen very fast (weeks, months ?) From Arctic-news.blogspot;

What Does Runaway Warming Look Like?

The forcing caused by the rapid rise in the levels of greenhouse gases is far out of line with current temperatures. A 10°C higher temperature is more in line with these levels, as illustrated by the image below.

(DJ-It did not copy a graph showing that present levels of CO2 and CH4 (methane) are related with a temperature of 10C+ based on ice-cores)

Carbon dioxide levels have been above 400 ppm for years. Methane levels above 1900 ppb were recorded in September 2018. Such high levels are more in line with a 10°C higher temperature, as illustrated by the above graph based on 420,000 years of ice core data from Vostok, Antarctica, research station.

How fast could such a 10°C temperature rise eventuate? The image below gives an idea.

(DJ-the story is 10C+ by 2026, but basicly-others claim temperatures can go up so much faster with a massive methane release-wich may already be on its way !)

Such runaway warming would first of all and most prominently become manifest in the Arctic. In many ways, such a rise is already underway, as the remainder of this post will show.

High Arctic Temperatures

(DJ-The Arctic should be re-freezing-it is not-seems to be warming up !!!)

Why are Arctic temperatures currently so high for the time of year?

(DJ-Most 93% of global warming and CO2 went into the oceans-it is now released at the poles. The jet-stream is disrupted due to less temperature difference between the equator and the poles so that jetstream is transporting more often warmth to the poles (and polair cold away from the poles. Also salt water/ice melts at -2C-so more open ocean absorbing heat instead of ice reflecting it.)
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https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-ipcc-plays-catch-up-with-reality-in.html
DJ-Even the IPCC does not believe the Paris-agreement is doing its job. If we have to stay below 2C temperature increase by 2100 (above that life on Earth is in danger) much more drastic action is needed.

DJ-With the total lack of international cooperation, most countries going after short term economic growth in stead of dealing with the climate crisis things only will get much worse very fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yZZtvefhA Robert Scribler on the lack of refreezing in the Arctic-it is simply much to warm there !

https://truthout.org/articles/how-feedback-loops-are-driving-runaway-climate-change/?utm_source=sharebuttons&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=mashshare
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DJ-Human rights are not only for "us" and "now"but also for next generations in their lifetime....

I could not believe the US giving up on trying to slow down climate change-but it looks like they did.
https://jpratt27.wordpress.com/2018/09/29/trump-administration-sees-a-7-degree-rise-in-global-temperatures-by-2100-auspol-qldpol-nswpol-climatechange-stopadani-endcoal/

All over the world politics is simply failing to deal with the crisis. http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/09/looking-the-climate-abyss-in-the-eye.html

DJ-"Extreme weather" will be normal within a few years, this means our "civilization"(or lack of it) will collapse.
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True! But the "child's" siblings are getting set to follow. Cover the well or lose the whole "family" - ALL OF US!
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http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09/musings-on-climate-change.html#

The Trump administration admits that climate change will increase the global temperature more than anticipated:

Last month, deep in a 500-page environmental impact statement, the Trump administration made a startling assumption: On its current course, the planet will warm a disastrous 7 degrees [Fahrenheit] by the end of this century.
A rise of 7 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 4 degrees Celsius, compared with preindustrial levels would be catastrophic, according to scientists.

That increase though, says the Trump administration, is no reason to stop emitting gases that, for a large part, cause such warming:

But the administration did not offer this dire forecast, premised on the idea that the world will fail to cut its greenhouse gas emissions, as part of an argument to combat climate change. Just the opposite: The analysis assumes the planet’s fate is already sealed.
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/05/7-facts-need-to-know-arctic-methane-time-bomb?CMP=share_btn_fb

DJ-Methane release can be a major factor in abrupt climate change. The International Panel on Climate Change IPCC did not include methane release in their models because of "uncertenties". http://www.washington.edu/news/2018/08/14/diving-robots-find-antarctic-winter-seas-exhale-surprising-amounts-of-carbon-dioxide/ The oceans around Antarctica are not the sink for CO2 scientists once believed they would be. Also forests (like the Amazon and other rainforests) have limits for CO2-intakes. There is a limit in how much heat and CO2 the oceans can take. Abrupt-climate-change-models may be far more realistic than the IPCC models. A mega-burst of methane from the Arctic may already be taking place.....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3q9je/the-glaciers-on-earths-third-pole-are-bursting-causing-deadly-floods?utm_campaign=sharebutton(DJ-A lot of higher mountains are "glued"together by ice. When the ice melts the top of the mountains collapses. )

DJ-For whatever reasons some scientists do not do a proper job;
What I discovered was that Skeptical Science's unusually skewered analysis was extremely selective, and focused almost exclusively on the narrow arguments of scientists out of touch with cutting edge developments in the Arctic. Here's what you need to know.
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Some (of many) articles worth reading;


https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-collapse/(2) "Democracies" being taken over by big companies stop being democracies (and not only in the US !)


http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/07/trumps-false-arguments-will-not-sell-well-in-europe.html# (4) DJ-NATO was a problem from the start-a main cause for the cold war since 1949. Since 2001 NATO-in covert actions-did start many wars for the interest of a very rich elite. Spending up to 4% og GDP on weapons is insane-we need more money to deal with climate change (and healthcare education etc.)
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Some other remarks on Guy McPherson;

-You still may see surface sea ice in the Arctic but the water below could be above freezing-making a large methane release possible. (One of the doom scenario's could be lightning making a methane cloud explode ?????) In other words-you may not need an ice-free-Arctic to see a large methane eruption (in the short term methane can contain heat up to 200 times more than CO2-a major methane release=a major lift for temperature-the methane release could be a cause for an ice-free Arctic.)

present climate disasters may bring a halt to western society. How much earthquakes, hurricane's, tsunami's, volcanic eruptions, wild fires etc. can a (western) country deal with ? A combination of disasters-most of them climate change related-will effect food production and distribution, healthcare, housing, public order etc. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingchi(3) "Death by a 1000 cuts" of society having to deal with disaster after disaster may fit more in the exponential-abrupt- climate change model.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Inrv4vxGg july 9 interview

-What I like from Guy McPherson is his coherent view-for any civilization to exist you need food. Food production needs good temperature, grounds, water etc. Climate change will disrupt that....

-What I hate from Guy McPherson is how you tell next generations his story....He is repeating his story for years-that does not make the essence of his story untrue. I hope he is incorrect-that he-and many others-got it wrong-"we" as 7.6bln humans-in peacefull coexistence with other lifeforms-can go on forever. Guy McP. makes clear that such is a fairytale...

Will society collapse this year or next year ? As far as I know the Arctic may keep it's ice this year. So when Guy relates a collapse to an ice-free-Arctic I think he is wrong-for the time being.
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Hmmmmmm...................  He predicted the fall of civilization within a decade back in 2000, as a result of peak oil, so he already has some credibility issues.  This does not mean he is wrong (for instance oil has peaked) but does suggest a tendancy to over-react.

For what it is worth, I think him correct about climate reaching a tipping point, but to be adaptable is the ultimate survival trait and humans are the quintessance of adaptabilty.

Ps., Hubby also thinks him a year out on the tipping point.
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anybody follow Guy McPherson ?
if you've seen any of his most recent presentations
you are aware that he is ,for lack of a better word"  predicting pretty much the collapse of everything
starting in Sept or Oct OF THIS YEAR
not only eco collapse but financial/governmental collapse as well

of course we have been hearing predictions of financial collapse since the last collapse of 2008
I am very surprised that Guy is "setting a date"
if his "prediction" is wrong it will go a LONG way in destroying his credibility

now excuse me
I have to take up smoking,drinking and just sinnin' in general
time is a wastin'LOL
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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=CID-20180710-63836-USA and https://robertscribbler.com/2018/07/09/never-before-experienced-rains-hammer-japan-during-early-july/

DJ-International chaos rules-the situation-at the moment-is such a chaos-shocking does not describe it.

(Of course human suffering should be the main concern-from increase in slave-trade to massive death of refugees on their way to the EU/US)

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/07/numerous-benefits-of-100-clean-renewable-energy.html and http://theduran.com/the-return-of-great-power-competition-trump-putin-and-xi-navigate-multipolar-world-video/ The "power base" is dominating the global energy market. Russia is building nuclear powerplants in Egypt, Turkey, selling its weapons to Turkey, India, Saudi Arabia. 
The US tried to use oil as a weapon. 1-Large oil production (by the US and Saudi Arabia) would keep the petro-dollar alive and keep the price of oil down.
2-A low oil price (in US$) would damage Russia(n oil production) and push China to keep paying in US$ for energy. That strategy completely failed. Due to trade wars China is buying oil from Iran and Africa (in gold backed Yuan).
3-Oil/fossil fuels are a thing of the past-if the "industry" wants to profit from it they have to be fast-renewables are the future (if there is any future). So fossil fuel production going up, prices going down-climate change speeding up. 

As Robert Scribler describes-temperature rise of 1C=increase of water vapor by 8%. Evaporation from the heated oceans is going up-extreme weather is the new normal. 

(I am turning more and more to my books-looking at the past-the future is "dark"-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POzSXzwbwIc:
See a clinic full of cynics 
Who want to twist the peoples' wrist 
They're watching every move we make 
We're all included on the list
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
No nuclear the cowboy told us 
And who am I to disagree 
'Cause when the madman flips the switch 
The nuclear will go for me
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
I've seen the faces of starvation 
But I just can not see the points 
'Cause there's so much food here today 
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THE ENERGY CLIFF APPROACHES: World Oil & Gas Discoveries Continue To Decline


As the world continues to burn energy like there is no tomorrow, global oil and gas discoveries fell to another low in 2017.  And to make matters worse, world oil investment has dropped 45% from its peak in 2014.  If the world oil industry doesn't increase its capital expenditures significantly, we are going to hit the Energy Cliff much sooner than later.

According to Rystad Energy, total global conventional oil and gas discoveries fell to a low of 6.7 billion barrels of oil equivalent (Boe).  To arrive at a Boe, Rystad Energy converts natural gas to a barrel of oil equivalent.  In 2012, the world discovered 30 billion Boe of oil and gas versus the 6.7 billion Boe last year:

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DJ-The present climate chaos will bring:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxuG-aWKj8A (Sharp) increase of hurricanes and global duststorms

The atmosphere itself is changing fast giving room for UV-C reaching the surface-a sharp increase in skincancer is on its way, but also small creatures will get killed by the radiation-effecting the foodchain. 
More land becoming desert, foodproduction getting difficult-with storms making food distribution a harder job as well. 

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/07/can-we-weather-the-danger-zone.html Sealevelrise, ice-melt, may go way faster than any model did predict. Bringing an increase in earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. Maybe those volcanic eruptions may give humans some time to maybe be able to slow down the collapse.......
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Red-hot planet: All-time heat records have been set all over the world during the past week


http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2018/07/red-hot-planet-all-time-heat-records.html


and yet the political pundits on the "conservative" side
continue to insist nothing is wrong with the planet
apparently in their world 2+2  does not equal 4
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We had a very dry june-still for statistics-since we had some rain june 1st-it was not recordbreaking for the Netherlands. Since there is rain falling in the "riversystem" in France, Germany waterlevel in the rivers are not dropping extreme. Still "we" have to keep the dykes wet-otherwise dikes my dry out and break. Also an increase for "piping" water running under the dykes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_erosion. A sharp increase in natural fires.

On a global scale;



More gloom&doom;



DJ-https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva is following methane, radiation etc. on his facebook-page. With his military background also his claim the cia is the drugs-gang#1 may be serious....

Normaly I would put this kind of "news" in the dungeon.  https://www.facebook.com/albert.kallio gives this link to the "Baltic incident" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/nato-jet-buzzes-russian-ministers-plane-military-hostilities/ (Veli Albert Kallio earlier claimed that in the middle of june a baltic state shot down a russian fighter after wich Russia sunk three NATO boats/ships)

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/05/21/coming-collapse When politics is in the hands of the major companies democracy is gone....
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Can someone teach Donnie how to read a thermometer, please/
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Scotland just recorded its highest ever temperature, not just for June, but EVER!  It was also the driest June on record and there is no end in sight for the heatwave.

The unusual heat extends into the arctic and the rise in temperatures there has stalled the jetstream in a southerly direction (going north from the south).  This creates a feedback loop of warming: https://news.mongabay.com/2018/06/2018-arctic-sea-ice-melt-season-just-got-a-big-headstart/

It may be exceptional locally, but the Antarctic is not getting off scott free either:  http://www.wired.co.uk/article/climate-change-news-antarctica-ice-melting-faster-global-warming

Hubby and I picked where we live with great care for such a senario and I still find it scary!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green DJ-There may be no time for "Soylent Green" when things collapse it may go very fast.....

When I think of next generation(s) the only correct feeling proberbly is guilt-we could not stop it-even with all possible efforts we only may be able to slow the collapse down. 

The planet will become unlivable due to nuclear reactors crashing, dumps leaking etc. We turned this planet into a timebomb that is about to explode. 

(I hope I am completely wrong on this-"hopium" may be the last defenseline.)

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there's nothing that can be done ,without putting BILLIONS of people out of work, and  thats not going to work,

unless we have a Pandemic which kills off 50% to 75% of the worlds population  this planet will be unlivable for humans,and alot of other animals that have a RIGHT to live here,just as much as we do,

we have well and truly Killed this wonderful gift of nature .(i'm not a believer in God)

i worry for my grandchildren...............

the planet will survive,it survived the comet that killed the Dinosaur's ,the dinosaur's didnt,anyone that doubts this fact please explain the KT boundary  ....................

Definition of K-T boundary. : the transition between the Cretaceous and Tertiary periods of geologic time characterized by a mass extinction of many forms of life including the dinosaurs; also : a geologic stratum marking this boundary.

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Global warming has melted over 3 trillion tons of ice in Antarctica since 1992, and it's only getting worse



the GREATEST crisis to ever face the human species
and the "leader" of the free world is doing what about it ??????????????????????????????????????
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/crimes-against-the-earth/5643741


Antarctic sealevelrise contribution went from 0.02mm to 0.06mm in 5 years-another 5 years will be 0.18mm, by 2028 0.54mm-per year ! In 2033 1,62mm per year-and that would be Antarctic-under "present conditions"-so excluding all other causes for sealevelrise (Greenland melt, water expanding due to warming, land moving up when there is less ice on it-Greenland has a 3km thick layer of ice-pressing Greenland down 1 kilometer-land coming up means water coming down....)

DJ-There is also an increase in both eartquakes in the Arctic and volcanic activity, storms. Earthquakes may speed up further collapse of (sea and land) ice-chunks of ice may break off, tsunami's over sea-ice erode the ice, also strong winds erode the ice and blowes snow into the ocean-before it can become ice. Draughts can mean that there is no snow falling-also that snow can not form a new layer of ice. https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva Has been following methane (a.o.)-not included in IPCC models-exploding-for the moment in levels (parts per billion)-but it also can explode, it is an explosive gas...in the short term 100x+ a heat trap than CO2. Most of the increase in warmth-93%-went into the ocean-there are limits-also the ocean is giving that warmth to the atmosphere.
(A reminder the amount of energy needed to melt ice is enough to also increase temperature to 80C-the less ice, the faster the temperature increases-no loss of energy !)


Persistent cyclones churning up Arctic sea-ice are bad news. Maximum Arctic sea-ice savagery occurred in 2012 from a massive long-lived August cyclone leading to the outstanding record September sea-ice minimum. We just had a big one in early June. There is almost no thicker multi-year ice left in the Arctic; what is left is thin, brittle, slushy, darker, and honeycombed with saline pockets like Swiss cheese. It won’t be around much longer; it is headed to oblivion. Russia and the USA seem happy with this. Little do they know.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/13/1771704/-from-Carbon-Brief-Sea-level-rise-from-Antarctic-ice-melting-has-tripled-in-past-five-years
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/13/1771682/-New-studies-point-to-climate-change-s-affects-on-global-corn-crops-and-vegetables-and-it-s-bad

This study is obviously alarming, but in tandem with another new study analyzing the very similar effects climate change might have on vegetables, it is breathtaking. Other studies have supported the hope that increased carbon dioxide might boost vegetable and legume yields. But this new study explains that those wins will be greatly offset by the effects that decreased ozone and water scarcity would have in the same scenario. According to Inside Climate News, the decrease in these non-staple harvests could be as severe as 35 percent.
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Blighty gets excited by any temperature over 25*C and Scotland any temperature over 20*C.  Blighty panics when it goes over 30*C and Scotland the same for 25*

The temperatures all rose over those points during May but the really strange bit is that they stayed over 20*C in Scotland and over 25*C in most of England.  Stranger still, the weather forecasters/reporters did not admit how hot things got up here.  Being in the coldest part of Scotland and up a hill to boot,  Our farm rarely reaches double figures.  We have been greatly relieved when the temperature dropped back into the 20s.  I still do not believe the temperature I saw on our max/min thermometer.  It was left in the sun and recorded temperatures over 40*C.  I knew it was excepyionally hot, but I still think the thermometer is broken.
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https://www.meteoalarm.eu/ I noticed for Scandinavia and Baltics a large fire hazard. The "astronomical" summer still has to start-and North America did see several wildfires already-not looking good !

Defenitions of Heatwaves also differ by country. Here in the Netherlands you need 5 days +25c of wich 3 + 30C (and to have a "national heatwave" De Bilt-near Utrecht-has to have those temperatures). 

Extreme weather is getting "normal", (Ant)Arctic melt must be extreme.....methane and CO2 go over the top with several Arctic Earthquakes per month-a dark doom scenario. 
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Finland had similar weather...and also the forests broke all records for dryness as well.

On language difference, I see the Dutch use "summer days" for 25 C or over. Over here the 25 C barrier is recorded,  but it is called "High Summer"  [implies that some of the summer days can be quite cold -- the last few nights we have had warnings for 'nigh frost'!]
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Via google translate-somehow this pressrelease is not avalable in English (from https://www.knmi.nl/over-het-knmi/nieuws/warmste-mei-in-drie-eeuwen-in-zonnige-lente )

May was the warmest month of May in three centuries. In the current climate, a comparable extremely warm month of May occurs once every 60 years.

A total of 13 summer days (25.0 ° C or higher) were measured. This is the highest number since 1901. The average temperature in De Bilt was 16.4 ° C, the long-term average is 13.1 ° C.

De Bilt had its first tropical day of 2018 on May 29th

The month started cool, but quickly became hot in the summer. The last days of the month it was sweltering and in the nights it was not cooler than 18 degrees. De Bilt had its first tropical day of 2018 (30.0 ° C or higher) on May 29th. The highest temperature 31.9 ° C was measured that day in Lelystad. The measurements in Lelystad are currently being influenced by large-scale construction work at the airport, where the measuring station is located. The sunniest was in the northern coastal area with 326 hours of sun on Terschelling. The sun shone the least in Zeeland with about 260 hours. This is special because in May, as in the rest of the coast, it is generally sunnier than inland. On average, there was less rainfall in the Netherlands than normal. Due to the often diffuse character of the precipitation, the regional differences were large. In the wettest places about 100 millimeters fell, on Terschelling only 15 millimeters. A large part of the monthly amount of precipitation fell during heavy thunderstorms in the last week. Due to thunderstorms, KNMI issued code orange three times: on May 27 for Limburg, on May 29 for almost the entire country and on May 31 for the northern half.

Gentle and very sunny spring
The spring of 2018 comes at a (shared) third place of softest springs since 1901. The season was also very sunny.

The average temperature in De Bilt was 11.0 ° C one and a half degrees above the long-term average of 9.5 ° C. March was cold, April very mild and may be the warmest month of May in three centuries. The lowest temperature was reached on the first day of spring in New Beerta: -9.6 ° C. Easter Sunday, April 1st, was at a grade of 7 cool, even colder than the last Christmas day. Then followed a long period with mild to very mild weather. The first summer day (25.0 ° C or higher) was on April 19. Normally there are no summer days in April, now there were three.

This spring the normal amount of precipitation fell and it was very sunny

This spring the normal amount of precipitation fell. Wilhelminadorp was the wettest KNMI station with approximately 273 millimeters. The least rain fell in Hupsel: 116 millimeters. This season was very sunny. The sunniest was on the north coast with on Terschelling 682 hours of sunshine. In the southwest the sun shone the least, in Westdorpe there were 534 hours of sunshine.
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Ours is the warmest on record too.  Our weather forecast folk admit that, but I still think they are downplaying it.

Here in misty, cold NE Sotland we have had a consistent heatwave all month.  I don't believe what the max/min thermometer is saying!!  Climates do not change by over 20* in one single year!

Our usual persistent torrential rain at this time of year has completely failed to appear - not one drop.  I am storing drinking water in case my well runs dry.  The water table is way down.  it was just 1 foot below the surface last year.  A 15 foot deep exploratory hole has remained dry as a bone.  My well is only about 18-20ft deep.  I may have to dig a new deeper one.

On the plus side, the midges are nowhere to be seen, as they need at least thick dew to reproduce and we all managed to remove more than one layer of clothing.  Hubby even has a nice tan. 
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