if ANYTHING I have posted is not FACTUAL

then

by all means

refute it

Mueller Tells Court Gates Dealt With Russia Intel Agent

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/03/mueller-tells-court-gates-dealt-russia

Rep. Eric Swalwell: 'Mueller Has Trump On Obstruction, Money Laundering'

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/03/rep-eric-swalwell-mueller-has-trump

oh per chance to dream !!!

Rep. Adam Schiff vows to produce a "Minority Report" on Russia-Trump that will prove collusion

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/13/1748801/-Rep-Adam-Schiff-vows-to-produce-a-Minority-Report-on-Russia-Trump-that-will-prove-collusion

TOUGH talk from Schiff

can't wait to see what he has

So This Is An Interesting Rumor From GOP Consultant Mike Murphy

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/03/so-interesting-rumor

"But I'll give you one salacious rumor, because it's Russia Speculation Night, I was walking around Beverly Hills -- and God, I don't want to be pulled in by Mueller on this, because I don't know anything. But I was walking around international businessmen who I know pretty well, swore me to secrecy, said you can say it on TV, 'A friend of mine got pulled in by Mueller asking about a memorandum of understanding for a deal that Trump had with Russian financial interests during the 2016 campaign, and Mueller has the document,' " he said.

Sam Nunberg refuses to testify to Grand Jury & claims "Carter Page Colluded with Russia"

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/5/1746767/-Sam-Nunberg-refuses-to-testify-to-Grand-Jury-claims-Carter-Page-Colluded-with-Russia

  no wonder Trump is DESPERATE to shut Mueller down

Paul Manaforts very very VERY bad month
and it ain't even over yet

Former Trump Campaign Chair Paul Manafort Indicted Yet Again

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-manafort-indicted_us_5a90878be4b01e9e56bbc0ef

getting involved with the Donald was a really really REALLY bad mistake

Manafort may never have been discovered for the criminal that he obviously is

does he have anything on Trump ?

and is he going to talk to save himself some SERIOUS jail time ???

stay tuned

LOL !!!

How Manafort’s inability to convert a PDF file to Word helped prosecutors

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/02/how-manaforts-inability-to-convert-a-word-doc-to-pdf-helped-prosecutors/

Trump-"I'm only going to hire the BEST people" 

Manafort and Gates-making reservations at "Club FED" as we speak

Here are some details from the BBC

Robert Mueller indicted Mr Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and business associate Rick Gates on multiple counts of tax and bank fraud. Both were charged in October with conspiracy to launder money. But there are no criminal allegations of collusion with Russia, the justice department investigation's main thrust. ..... Thursday's 32-count indictment alleges that Mr Manafort and Mr Gates conspired to hide more than $30m (£22m) in Mr Manafort's personal income from tax officials. It also claims that Mr Gates concealed more than $3m of his own income. The money "flowed through" a $75m offshore account controlled by them, according to the indictment filed by a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia.

The video in the article also talks of spending more the $1 million on menswear

Paul Manafort May Be A Bigger Gangster Than You Thought
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/20/1743314/-Paul-Manafort-May-Be-A-Bigger-Gangster-Than-You-Thought

cause ya know
Trump only surrounds himself with the "best people" 

yup
Trump takes a swing at everything and anybody

EXCEPT 

Russia

something stinks to high heaven

SOURCE: Rick Gates To Plead Guilty And Agrees To Testify Against Manafort

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/02/source-rick-gates-plead-guilty-and-agrees

and do I really need to explain the fallacy of this argument ???

"Like I said that million dollars a month they spent was like pissing in the ocean,"

Technophobe so are you arguing that 1 million dollars a month offered Trump "certainty"?  LOL like I said the Russian effort was like pissing in the ocean.

Trump likes to win.  He probably wanted to win the presidential race even more than he wanted to be President. 

His money, influence and, most importantly, his media-savvy made him almost incapable of losing.  But almost is not certainty and he would have wanted certainty.

That does not mean he colluded, but it does give him motive.

I honestly want to know, for those saying that Trump colluded what did trump get from it?    Like I said that million dollars a month they spent was like pissing in the ocean, the DNC leaks by all accounts really does seem be an inside job, maybe the Russians were responsible for the Podesta emails I don't know.  Even so the emails didn't tell us anything we didn't already know.... I don't think they swayed many people.

How did Trump benefit from any of this?

Edit: I will concede that perhaps Trump could have been duped but I don't see any motivation for him to be willingly involved.

Trump Will Not Act Against Russia Because He Is Very Likely Being Blackmailed By Russia.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/17/1742323/-Trump-Will-Not-Act-Against-Russia-Because-He-Is-Very-Likely-Being-Blackmailed-By-Russia

"All in all, the odds are disconcertingly high that Russia, or somebody, has blackmail leverage over the president of the United States."

Trump and all those around him have done nothing but LIE and obfuscate on this issue since day one
IF your not guilty of something THEN why all the LIES ???

Trump REPEATEDLY said he had nothing to do with the Russians
even his own sons have contradicted him on this

we DO KNOW that the Russians did indeed meddle in the election
this is an established FACT at this point
Trump has said from day one that NO this is not the case
and now he denies saying this ???

Trump refused to invoke further sanctions against Russia
WHY ???

it certainly appears someone has something on him

Mr. Trump
IF your not guilty
then STOP LYING

and thank you JD
"That sounds a lot more like what Fox News knows. There's much more to this story than a few bullet points."

talking points is exactly right
and incorrect ones at that

So this is what we know...  Russian companies spent around a million dollars a month to buy political influence.   Even so there is no distinct pro trump quality to it.... they just wanted to create chaos.  Hillary spent a billion dollars so this Russian program was  just chump change.    The DNC leaks where probably an inside job.   There was no collusion according to Muller his report states that no Americans knowingly helped the Russians.   Nobody alleges that the vote count was altered or manipulated in any way. 

The whole purpose of this conspiracy was not to get Trump elected, it is a simple continuation of a long term soviet goal of getting Americans not to trust their political system.   With all the hysteria from the media and dems I think this plan  has been far more successful than they could have hoped for.

As a matter of fact I expect this whole thing to go away soon... way to many democrats have dirty hands in this...    nobody wants a full investigation.

Too many secret meetings with Russian officials, and too many shady dealings involving Russian mob money in the past to give Trump a pass yet.

It looks to me as if the question of Russian electoral influence is clearly answered. - YES!  There sure was!

However, much as I dislike and mistrust Trump, there is no proof (yet) of his collusion,- at least no definitive proof.  Although I personally doubt his innocence, it is only fair to give him the benefit of said doubt; at least unless/until real concrete proof emerges.  I know he looks as dirty as sin, but that is appearance - not proof.

It's easier to fool people,than to get them to accept that they have been fooled.....

Thirteen Russians criminally charged for interfering in US election, Mueller announces

• Indictment does not say whether anyone else in Trump’s team had knowingly colluded with Russian operatives
• Charges state that as far back as 2014, the defendants conspired together to defraud the US through interference
• Russian ‘troll farm’ at the heart of the meddling allegations

Jon Swaine in New York and Marc Bennetts in Moscow

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 Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. Photograph: Andrew Harnik/AP

Thirteen Russians have been criminally charged for interfering in the 2016 US election to help Donald Trump, the office of Robert Mueller, the special counsel, announced on Friday.

Mueller’s office said 13 Russians and three Russian entities, including the notorious state-backed “troll farm” the Internet Research Agency, had been indicted by a federal grand jury in Washington DC.

A 37-page indictment alleged that the Russians’ operations “included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J Trump ... and disparaging Hillary Clinton,” his Democratic opponent.

Mueller alleged that Russian operatives “communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign”, but the indictment did not address the question of whether anyone else in Trump’s team had knowingly colluded.

Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, said at a press conference in Washington: “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.” Rosenstein added that the charges did not mean the Russian activity had an effect on the outcome of the election.

The Russians allegedly posed as Americans to operate bogus social media accounts, buy advertisements and stage political rallies. They stole the identities of real people in the US to post online and built computer systems in the US to hide the Russian origin of their activity, according prosecutors.

“This indictment serves as a reminder that people are not always who they appear to be on the internet,” said Rosenstein. He alleged that the Russians had “worked to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy,” adding: “We must not allow them to succeed.”

The charges state that from as far back as 2014, the defendants conspired together to defraud the US by “impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of government” through interference with the American political and electoral processes.

One defendant, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, is accused of using companies he controlled – including Concord Management and Consulting, and Concord Catering – to finance the operations against the US. The operation at one stage had a monthly budget of $1.25m, according to Mueller, which paid for operatives’ salaries and bonuses.

Events were organised by Russians posing as Trump supporters and as groups opposed to Trump such as Black Lives Matter, according to prosecutors. One advertisement shortly before the election promoted the Green party candidate Jill Stein, who is blamed by some Clinton backers for splitting the anti-Trump vote.

In August 2016, Russian operatives communicated with Trump campaign staff in Florida through their “@donaldtrump.com” email addresses to coordinate a series of pro-Trump rallies in the state, according to Mueller, and then bought advertisements on social media to promote the events.

At one rally in West Palm Beach, a Russian operative is even alleged to have paid Americans to build a cage on a flatbed truck and to have an actor posing as Clinton in a prison uniform stand inside.

One defendant, Irina Kaverzina, is accused of admitting her involvement in the operation and a subsequent coverup in an email to a relative in September last year, after Mueller’s inquiry had begun. “We had a slight crisis here at work: the FBI busted our activity,” Kaverzina allegedly wrote, “so I got preoccupied with covering tracks together with the colleagues.”

The Russians are also accused of working to suppress turnout among ethnic minority voters. They allegedly created an Instagram account posing as “Woke Blacks” and railed against the notion that African Americans should choose Clinton as “the lesser of two devils” against Trump.

In early November 2016, according to the indictment, the Russian operatives used bogus “United Muslims of America” social media accounts to claim that “American Muslims [are] boycotting elections today.”

Following Trump’s victory, the Russian operation promoted allegations of voter fraud by the Democratic party, according to Mueller’s team. Around that time, Trump repeatedly claimed without evidence that he would have won the popular vote if not for large-scale voter fraud.

The individuals charged are Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov, Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik, Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova, Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva, Sergey Pavlovich Polozov, Maria Anatolyevna Bovda, Robert Sergeyevich Bovda, Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly, Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev, Gleb Igorevitch Vasilchenko, Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin and Vladimir Venkov.

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States. Three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants were charged with aggravated identity theft.

Separately, Mueller’s office announced that Richard Pinedo, of Santa Paula, California, had pleaded guilty to identity fraud. Pinedo, 28, admitted to running a website that offered stolen identities to help customers get around the security measures of major online payment sites. It was not made clear whether his service had been used by the Russian operatives.

Rosenstein said no contact had been made with Russian authorities regarding the charges so far, but that US officials intended to seek extradition of the defendants.

US intelligence agencies previously concluded that Russians mounted an attack on the US election system aimed at electing Donald Trump to the presidency.

Mueller is conducting a criminal inquiry into interference by Russians and possible collusion by Trump’s campaign. Two Trump campaign advisers have pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. Two others have been charged with federal crimes.

US investigators have long signalled their belief that Prigozhin, a 56-year-old billionaire businessman, is behind Russia’s internet troll factories.

Nicknamed the “Kremlin’s chef”, Prigozhin once ran Putin’s favourite restaurant in St Petersburg, after which he was awarded multi-billion pound state catering contracts.

He provided catering for Dmitry Medvedev’s presidential inauguration in 2008, and also has lucrative contracts to feed Russia’s army and Moscow’s schoolchildren.

Prigozhin, who has also been linked to the Wagner Group, a shadowy Kremlin-linked private military contractor believed to be operating in Syria, was included on a US sanctions list in July.

Speaking to the RIA Novosti state news agency on Friday, Prigozhin said: “The Americans are really impressionable people, they see what they want to see. I have great respect for them. If they want to see the devil – let them see him.”

Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called the allegations “absurd”.

“13 people carried out interference in the US elections? 13 people against special services with a budgets of billions?” she wrote in a Facebook post.

Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian media he had not yet had a chance to study the indictments.