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    Posted: October 14 2017 at 2:33pm

The conservative Donald Trump and Russia conspiracy theory that doesn't add up

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Updated 6 Sep 2017, 4:51am

Was Donald Trump's unlikely election victory the result of a Russian influence campaign, or is that an excuse cooked up by Democrats still unwilling to admit "Crooked Hillary" lost fair and square?

Former FBI director Robert Mueller is now leading a special counsel's investigation into Russian interference, and any possible collusion with members of the Trump campaign.

Many Democrats are convinced Mueller will find a "smoking gun". Already an email from the President's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr, has shown that in June 2016 he was very interested in meeting Russians offering dirt on Mrs Clinton.

And in recent days, more evidence has emerged about Mr Trump's business ties to Russia, and how associates hoped a deal to build Trump Tower Moscow would help win the election for the real estate tycoon, with the assistance of the Kremlin.

But while the Mueller investigation proceeds, and might or might not lead to any criminal indictments or the removal from office of Donald Trump, a counter-narrative has emerged.

What if, as President Trump maintains, the Russia thing is a "made up story"?

What if somebody else hacked the Democratic National Committee, not Russia, and not to benefit Mr Trump?

False flags and inside jobs

Trump supporter and former US Ambassador to the UN John Bolton has described US intelligence agency claims of Russian involvement in the DNC hack as a "false flag" because, he believes, "a really sophisticated foreign intelligence service would not leave any finger prints".

Bolton's use of that phrase "false flag" is intriguing. That's exactly how conspiracy theorists including Trump's favourite shock jock Alex Jones of Infowars.com describe events like the Oklahoma Bombing in 1995, the September 11 attacks in 2001 and the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school massacre.

Jones has appalled and enraged the families of the victims of those tragic attacks by claiming they were "inside jobs" staged by the government.

But Donald Trump once gushed Jones' reputation is "amazing", and promised him "I will not let you down". (Not surprising perhaps, given Trump's White House campaign effectively began by pushing the groundless "birther" conspiracy that president Barack Obama was born in Kenya and therefore not legitimately elected).

But now, as Mr Trump faces questions about his own legitimacy, his defenders like Jones and Sean Hannity on Fox News are helping to spread competing explanations — including the case of Seth Rich.

A death on the street

The 27-year-old Rich was walking home from a bar in Washington DC's Columbia Heights district in the early hours of July 10 last year when he was shot twice. He was taken to hospital but died two hours later — one of 139 murders in the US capital last year.

Rich was an employee of the DNC, where he was director of voter expansion data. Police said his killing looked like a robbery gone wrong, although his phone, watch and wallet were still on his body.

The violent death of someone associated with the Democratic Party at the height of election season set the internet alight with theories. Infowars, Breitbart and Fox all aired claims he had been murdered for leaking the DNC's emails to Wikileaks. Founder of the website, Australian-born Julian Assange, fuelled the flames of speculation by saying cryptically "our sources take risks" and offering a $20,000 reward for information about Rich's killing.

But Assange, who has asserted Russia wasn't behind the DNC hack, never directly said Rich was his source, and has also said Wikileaks likes to "create maximum ambiguity as to who our sources are."

Fox News then reported, before hastily retracting, unsubstantiated claims by a private investigator that there was evidence Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks before his death.

The fact checkers at Politifact have described it as a "persistent and unfounded conspiracy theory". They awarded an even more elaborate claim that former FBI director James Comey knew Rich was the Wikileaks source and covered up for Hillary its worst possible "Pants on Fire!" rating.

The IT worker for Congress

But it doesn't end there. Many of the same right-wing media outlets have also been focused on another intriguing case, involving a 37-year-old Pakistani-American IT worker named Imran Awan.

Awan, his wife and some family members set up shop in 2004 providing a range of tech services to Democratic Party congressional offices in Washington DC, installing PCs, fixing printers, and resetting passwords.

Earlier this year a criminal complaint alleged Awan conspired to defraud the congressional credit union of $165,000 which was part of $283,000 he wired back to Pakistan.

Capitol Hill police also looked into accusations that IT equipment and money had gone missing from a number of offices, and referred their suspicions of a "procurement scam" to the FBI. That saw Awan lose access to the congressional computer network, so most of his clients dropped him.

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But for months Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz resisted sacking Awan.

She said there was no evidence of illegality, he was entitled to due process and she was concerned Awan was the target of an anti-Muslim witch hunt.

Awan was arrested trying to leave the US in July and has since been charged with a number of offences relating to that loan and money transfer to Pakistan, but nothing else. He has now been sacked by Mrs Wasserman Schulz.

The idea of a Muslim under investigation on Capitol Hill with access to the computers belonging to senior Democrats is fertile ground for further speculation. Particularly because Mrs Wasserman Schultz is the former chair of the Democratic National Committee — the target of the hacks published by Wikileaks.

Perhaps it's Awan, not Russia, that stole the DNC emails, or maybe they were working together!

Trump's retweet

In late July Mr Trump retweeted a story castigating the mainstream media for ignoring the Awan story.

And then a photo of Rich emerged showing him with a group of friends hours before his death with a man resembling Imran Awan in the background. The internet went berserk — AWAN KILLED SETH RICH!!!

Former Trump campaign advisor Roger Stone tweeted: "FACT - Wasserman-Schulz "IT consultant" Awan was partying with Seth Rich the night of his murder!"

Except that it wasn't Imran Awan, it was a friend of Rich's named Miguel Huerta. There is no evidence linking Awan to Rich.

Quest for an alternative narrative

Right now we don't know why Seth Rich was killed, and we may never know. But all of the speculation and theorising is designed to do one thing: find an alternative narrative to the Trump "Russia thing".

By the same token, despite there being a lot more evidence, we don't yet know what the Mueller investigation will uncover about Russian election tampering and possible Trump collusion.

At times both sides are guilty of doing what the worst conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones do around events like Oklahoma, September 11 and Sandy Hook.

They find a single, sinister explanation that confirms a pre-existing view.

The drive to impeach Mr Trump for being illegitimately elected before the evidence has been presented has clear echoes of Trump's own disgraceful "birtherism" conspiracy against Mr Obama.

Sometimes there are singular reasons for why something happens, and sometimes there are many.

But particularly at a time when distrust of the media and public institutions is so high, we tend to want to believe in a secret over-arching explanation, and believe that there's more to the story than we are being told.

And of course, sometimes there actually is.

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Trump Campaign Staffers Pushed Russian Propaganda Days Before the Election

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-campaign-staffers-pushed-russian-propaganda-days-before-the-election


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Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross Failed To Disclose Ties To Vladimir Putin

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wilbur-ross-russia-putin_us_59ff5495e4b04cdbeb33f901?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


good grief

is there ANYONE in the Trump administration who is not tied to the Russians ?


maybe the cleaning lady ???LOL


and golly gee whiz

they ALL seem to have such poor memories


"he failed to disclose"

you see that phrase EVERYWHERE in the Trump administration don't you ???


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

good grief

is there ANYONE in the Trump administration who is not tied to the Russians ?

maybe the cleaning lady ???LOL

and golly gee whiz

they ALL seem to have such poor memories

"he failed to disclose"

you see that phrase EVERYWHERE in the Trump administration don't you ???

Ha!!  I've given this careful thought....after the collapse of the USSR, a great deal of state wealth ended up in the hands of a chosen few, "oligarchs," who then took control of state industries including oil, steel, aluminum etc. 

These oligarchs had SO much money, and were so poor at managing money, that they reached out to the money-boys of the West with sacks of cash to invest, and investment opportunities in post-Soviet oil & gas.  

I think there was so much of this Russian funny-money sloshing around that nearly everyone in finance, real estate, banking etc. ended up being contaminated to some extent.  

However, Ross and the others were certainly aware of their issues with Russian cash, and conveniently forgot to bring this up in hearings.  

See the graphic display in the article which shows the many inter-connections! 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.169aaca3d959

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Wilbur Ross was named in the "Paradise Papers"

Originally posted by BBC BBC wrote:

A top member of Donald Trump's administration has business links with Russian allies of President Vladimir Putin who are under US sanctions, the Paradise Papers have revealed.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has an interest in Navigator Holdings, which earns millions a year transporting oil and gas for Russian energy firm Sibur.

Two major Sibur shareholders are under some form of US sanctions.

A commerce department spokesman did not dispute the revelations.

"Secretary Ross recuses himself from any matters focused on transoceanic shipping vessels," the spokesman told BBC Panorama, adding that the secretary "works closely with Commerce Department ethics officials to ensure the highest ethical standards".


What ethical standards??  And more a case of profiting from making Russian Great.

More on Wilbur Ross and his long time links with Trump:


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

good grief

is there ANYONE in the Trump administration who is not tied to the Russians ?

maybe the cleaning lady ???LOL

Нет, не я. Я просто чищу самовар.

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What's happened to the Chump cheer leaders?
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Russian Lawyer Who Met With Donald Trump Jr. Claims He Offered A Quid Pro Quo


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-meeting_us_5a006330e4b04cdbeb34c397?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


poor Satori is SO confused

quid pro quo was something  you only heard in regards to Clinton

apparently it was so effective that Donnie Jr gave it a try ???LOL


ya can't  swing a dead cat without hitting a Ruskie in the Trump White House LOL

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Bombshell Carter Page Testimony Verifies Key Parts Of Steele Dossier


http://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/carter-page-testimony-verifies-key

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Carter Page's testimony provides more bombshells than the Battle of Britain, and more insanity

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/7/1713438/-Carter-Page-s-testimony-provides-more-bombshells-than-the-Battle-of-Britain-and-more-insanity

Page says this
“Whereas I have never done anything wrong in Russia, no documents, records, electronically stored information including email, communication, recordings, data and tangible things could reasonably lead to the discovery of any facts within the investigation’s publicly announced parameters as it relates to actions by the Russian government.”

and then refuses to release ANY paperwork,emails etc

he pleads the Fifth

yeah he's innocent LOL
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Carter Page's testimony provides more bombshells than the Battle of Britain, and more insanity

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/7/1713438/-Carter-Page-s-testimony-provides-more-bombshells-than-the-Battle-of-Britain-and-more-insanity

Page says this
“Whereas I have never done anything wrong in Russia, no documents, records, electronically stored information including email, communication, recordings, data and tangible things could reasonably lead to the discovery of any facts within the investigation’s publicly announced parameters as it relates to actions by the Russian government.”

and then refuses to release ANY paperwork,emails etc

he pleads the Fifth

yeah he's innocent LOL


There is still no evidence that links Trump to anything criminal the Russians might have been doing. The link is just not there and it is not for lack of trying. Even today as they desperate try to prove the document later paid for by the Democrats - all his body guard at the Beauty Pageant in Moscow can say was he denied the offer or prostitutes.

I can tell you I have been to Washington D.C. and stayed in hotel one mile away from the capital and there were prostitutes everywhere. Four rode in the elevator as I returned from the vending machines to my wife and tried to hit on me. One was male.

It is no great secret that many people in the highest political position use prostitutes daily in D.C. Also even JFK had women brought to him by his "protectors" who .. well we won't go there.

The whole investigation should be on Hillary was has solid hard core evidence of being paid by Russia to broker the Uranium deal. People have gone to prison and that is where she should go as well.

The news loves this drama, which is a drama and unsupported by any hard evidence. If they continue long enough they might get enough people to lie - but it is unlikely.

Time to look at the Democrats which have much more solid base of corruption and collusion with Russia.

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if you haven't done anything wrong
then why are you LYING?

said in reference to EVERYONE in the Trump administration
they have all,to a man, LIED repeatedly

and at this point it is a PROVEN FACT that Putin wanted Trump in the WH,not HIllary
why ???????????
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Makes sense - collude with Russia so they could lose the election. 







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Report: Papadopolous Lied About Russia To FBI To Protect Trump.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/10/1714522/-Report-Papadopolous-Lied-About-Russia-To-FBI-To-Protect-Trump

WHAT ???

someone in the Trump administration LYING ???

why I never !!! LOL
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Not quite Russia but related to other autocratic leaders


Ex-Trump aide Mike Flynn 'offered $15m by Turkey for Gulen'


Originally posted by BBC BBC wrote:

A former top White House aide was reportedly offered $15m (£11.5m) to help forcibly remove a Muslim cleric from the US and deliver him to Turkey.

Ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn and his son discussed the alleged plot with Turkish representatives, NBC News and Wall Street Journal report....

Mr Flynn reportedly discussed having Mr Gulen transported on a private jet to the Turkish prison island of Imrali.

Maybe the $15 000 000 was not enough to act on, but it seems to have been enough to get his interest in serious discussions.

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This threads continues to make no sense. There is no proof and hasn't been for a year as the Democrats lost the election that Trump colluded with Russia. There is a mountain of evidence the Hillary (and I have posted a thread on this) took money from the Russians directly to the Clinton Foundation in a pay for play scheme to give them 20% of our uranium. This was a major breach of national security and provided them with material make nuclear bombs to use on the U.S.

They can dig up any number of people who Trump knew or worked for him and they still will never prove he worked with Russia to win the election. He did not.  Russia is not our friend and obviously spies on us, hacks into our net and servers and government agencies, and has moles at our highest levels of government. One of their last plants was mole who was in charge of the investigation.

Even the Democrats want to move away from the whole Clinton mess which could really hurt them in the coming Congressional elections and cost them valuable seats in the House and Senate.

They need a hero or even heroine to champion for them who is not a Social Justice Warrior wanna be who really isn't (Hillary).

They need to move away from Trump bashing as it did not help them win the election and was really poor method to win the rust belt and coal miners which hurt them.

Nothing is more tedious than listening to people not from America bash America. We were the most powerful nation on earth and we need someone to make America great again. It wasn't Hillary for sure. Trump is trying amidst all the false news and hostile media.

The drama continues along side which older woman teachers molesting male students, as all the cougars get a contact high from the thought. It is sick. And these are the kind of people who supported Hillary. Not the majority. Minorities that were courted and terrorized that if they did not put Hillary in they would be deported and they better vote for her. 

It is not against the law to meet with a Russian. There is no gotcha in this and the most guilty are the DNC which was fixed primary which was as far from democracy as you can get.

The beat goes on and Trump did not work with Russian and is our president.

Get over it and move on. 

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Uranium does not make bombs, Med, unless it is enriched or used to make plutonium, the expensive, high technical and dangerous part of the process.  There are vast reserves of the stuff all over the globe.  Making money from selling it is no more dangerous than selling titanium, lead or gold.  Growing rich is not a crime either.  Avoiding paying taxes on your profits can be, but Hilary's taxes are public knowledge.

Dealing with the Russians is also not automatically a crime.  It only becomes one if the dealings are inherently dishonest, like money laundering - which is a federal crime, or interfering with the results of an election - which could be treasonous.

Hilary's campaign was a joke!  When it came to bashing the other side, she lost that as well as the election.  She was nowhere near as adept at it than Trump.  Although it was probably his greater media savvy that turned the tide, that was how Nixon won back in the day - he grasped the value of TV the way Trump "got" twitter.

I agree that Hilary is probably not the best "social justice warrior" choice.  But, she lost so why harp on?  She is the disaster America avoided.  Trump is the one you got.
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the uranium deal doesnt damage our national security
that sale was reviewed and APPROVED by multiple federal agencies
it was no big secret
it was investigated two years ago and no wrong doing was found
but hey
investigate it again if it makes ya happy

Benghazi was subject to SEVEN investigations
at a cost to taxpayers of MILLIONS
thousand of hours of testimony produced NOTHING actionable
and poor Med is complaining about one little ol Mueller look see ???
Trump will in all likelihood escape justice
but those around him ???
he will throw them under the bus if it protects himself

Mueller is just helping Trump "drain the swamp"
look at all the liars he has exposed
pretty much EVERYONE he has questioned in the Trump administration LOL

I think its only fair that the Repubs got 7 Benghazi's
the Democrats should get 7 investigations tooLOL

and let me point out yet once again
that Hillary WON THE POPULAR VOTER by MILLIONS !!!!!!!!!
the people of America CHOSE HILLARY
it was the antiquated Electoral College that installed the FAILED Trumpen Furor as Pres
and don't YOU forget it LOLLOLLOL

and the "beauty" of  a failed Trump Presidency is that the people who supported him
are going to be the ones to suffer the most
we already see that happening don't we ???
too bad
sooooooooo sad
but bad choices invariably lead to BAD consequences
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why don't you spend your time telling us what a great job Trump is doing ???

great job in Puerto RIco for example
how about health care? no replacement for Obamacare???
a friend of mine had her insurance to up to $15,000 for next year,thank you Trump !!!
how about the new tax plan?
Trump promised he had a plan but of course we know he NEVER did
the Republicans threw something together at the last minute
how is the middle class going to come out?
what  do all the analysts think ???
hmm
not so good?

ANYONE tired of winning yet ???LOLLOLLOL

your dealing with a HIGH information voter Med
so don't even try and put something over on me
cause I will call you on it in a New York minute
I'm nowhere as easy to fool as your average Trump supporter is LOL
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Trump promised he had a plan but of course we know he NEVER did
the Republicans threw something together at the last minute


That's something everyone seems to forget - during his campaign he promised all kinds of things including something that sounded very much like universal healthcare (and let's not forget tax breaks for everyone but the wealthy). Now that push comes to shove, he's sitting in the White House demanding that the GOP bring him something to sign because he clearly has nothing to contribute, and apparently never did.


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he literally promised everything to everybody
thats fine for getting the vote
but at some point you have to put up or shut up
his bluff has been called
there is about as much substance to Trump as there is to a Sta-Puff marshmallow
all hat and no cowboy
all sizzle and no steak
the majority of American voters saw this
unfortunately plenty did not
and now we all must suffer under this failure of a buffoon
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I know Hilary gad a few half-baked policies to offer:  - nothing too useful.

How much less of a disaster that would have been!  Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.
How do you tell if a politician is lying?
His lips or pen are moving.
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In His Own Scary AF Words: Trump is a Traitor Who Believes Putin And is Selling Out America

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/11/1714773/-In-His-Own-Scary-AF-Words-Trump-is-a-Traitor-Who-Believes-Putin-And-is-Selling-Out-America

unbelieveable

HINT: Donnie just cause ya got a thought or two in yer head,doesn't mean yo have to blab it
especially when you side with our main adversary in the world
geez
and this guy is President of the United States ???
can you imagine the UPROAR if Obama said something like this ???
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The Wikileaks / Trump Jr exchange shows a conspiracy ... and that Wikileaks is an absolute fraud

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/14/1715465/-The-Wikileaks-Trump-Jr-shows-a-conspiracy-and-that-Wikileaks-is-an-absolute-fraud

at this point the evidence is VERY  CLEAR

the Trump campaign,Wilkileaks and the Russians three peas in a pod


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Edward Joseph Snowden (born June 21, 1983) is an American computer professional, former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee, and former contractor for the United States government who copied and leakedclassified information from the National Security Agency (NSA) in 2013 without authorization. His disclosures revealed numerous global surveillance programs, many run by the NSA and the Five Eyes Intelligence Alliancewith the cooperation of telecommunication companies and European governments.

In 2013, Snowden was hired by an NSA contractor, Booz Allen Hamilton, after previous employment with Dell and the CIA.[1] On May 20, 2013, Snowden flew to Hong Kong after leaving his job at an NSA facility in Hawaii, and in early June he revealed thousands of classified NSA documents to journalists Glenn GreenwaldLaura Poitras, and Ewen MacAskill. Snowden came to international attention after stories based on the material appeared in The Guardian and The Washington Post. Further disclosures were made by other publications including Der Spiegel and The New York Times.

On June 21, 2013, the U.S. Department of Justice unsealed charges against Snowden of two counts of violating the Espionage Act of 1917 and theft of government property.[2] Two days later, he flew into Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport, but Russian authorities noted that his U.S. passport had been cancelled and he was restricted to the airport terminal for over one month. Russia ultimately granted him right of asylum for one year, and repeated extensions have permitted him to stay at least until 2020. He reportedly lives in an undisclosed location in Moscow, and continues to seek asylum elsewhere in the world.[3]

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Republican Strategist Steve Schmidt Goes There: VP Pence is a "Titanic Fraud," and "Nonstop Liar."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/14/1715542/-Republican-Strategist-Steve-Schmidt-Goes-There-VP-Pence-is-a-Titanic-Fraud-and-Nonstop-Liar

[Mika] Brzezinski said the vice president was either lying or “willfully stupid” for not following up on the Russia questions that have engulfed the Trump presidency....

Schmidt agreed.

“I think that over these months the vice president’s exposed himself as a titanic fraud,” Schmidt said. “When it comes to consensual relationships between gay Americans, he’s never tongue-tied on that. We don’t hear from him on Roy Moore. We don’t hear from him…

“The truth of the matter is... 100 percent of the people around this administration, when asked a question about...the Russian involvement in this election, they lie about it,” Schmidt said. ...“100% of the time.”


even LOW INFORMATION voters should have this figured at by nowLOL


the evidence is MASSIVE

and EVERYDAY more and more comes to light

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Donald Trump Jr private messages with WikiLeaks 'take the breath away', says former CIA director


https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-jr-private-messages-142300209.html


if the day ends in a Y

somebody with the last name of Trump is going to be lying about something LOL

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Did Mueller Just Flip The Man Who Could Bring Down Flynn -- And Thereby Bring Down Trump?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/16/1716278/-Did-Mueller-Just-Flip-The-Man-Who-Could-Bring-Down-Flynn-And-Thereby-Bring-Down-Trump

its pretty obvious why the worst President the US has ever had wants so desperately to shut down Mueller
EVERYDAY there is a new revelation
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Jared Kushner Failed To Disclose WikiLeaks Email And Russia Dinner Invite, Senators Say


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jared-kushner-wikileaks_us_5a0df8a0e4b0b9cb33227a71?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


is there ANYONE in the Trump family who even has heard the word "truthful" ???


lie after lie after lie

followed by more LIES

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Mueller Has Subpoenaed Documents Relating to Russia from the Trump Campaign: Report

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/mueller-has-subpoenaed-documents-relating-russia-trump-campaign-report


The Wall Street Journal reports that a source has confirmed investigators under special counsel Robert Mueller subpoenaed the 2016 campaign of then-candidate Donald Trump for documents that contain Russia-related keywords.


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more secret Kushner meetings to be disclosed, latest omitted is one with Russian mobster

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/17/1716652/-more-secret-Kushner-meetings-to-be-disclosed-latest-omitted-is-one-with-Russian-mobster

So Kushner previously failed to disclose a contact from May 2016 where a Russian pal of the NRA happened to also launder money for organized crime, and also reached out to the Trump campaign.

can the Trump administration go even 10 or 15 minutes without telling a lie in regards to their Russian collusion ???

just 10 minutes thats all I ask LOL
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WOW !!!

even worse than I thought

Russia Has Owned Trump For Quite Some Time And Mueller Knows It; Tick, Tock Impeachment Clock

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/20/1717231/-Russia-Has-Owned-Trump-For-Quite-Some-Time-And-Mueller-Knows-It-Tick-Tock-Impeachment-Clock

Christopher Steele said that the KGB, “was cultivating Trump for at least five years,” as a useful idiot. That estimate is conservative at best.

no wonder Trump is so DESPERATE to shut Mueller down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Russia Wanted Trump As President And It Got Him. Now What Does America Do?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-russia-one-year_us_5a14a7eee4b03dec8248e1b9?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009


Russia’s tyrant works to help the Republican nominee win America’s presidential election.

Members of the nominee’s campaign know of the effort and try to coordinate with it.

The nominee wins the election and then, realizing the FBI is looking into the whole mess, fires the person running the investigation in hopes of putting an end to it.


the facts are clear

ONLY very low information voters still don't get the obvious

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EVERYDAY another piece of the puzzle

Exclusive: Manafort flight records show deeper Kremlin ties than previously known

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-manafort-flight-records-show-deeper-kremlin-ties-than-previously-known/ar-BBFvRMd?li=BBnb4R7


Suspicions about Manafort have been fueled by a former British spy's opposition research on Trump. In a now-famous dossier, former MI6 officer Christopher Steele quoted an ethnic Russian close to Trump as saying that Manafort had managed "a well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" between the campaign and the Kremlin.


wait

what was that last part ?

Manafort had managed "a well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" between the campaign and the Kremlin.




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Former Reporter: Fox Blocked Me From Digging Into Trump’s Russia Ties

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/former-reporter-fox-blocked-me-digging


“Fox is just buying what the White House is selling,” she said.


even the FAUX News Network KNOWS Trump IS guilty LOL

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

EVERYDAY another piece of the puzzle

Exclusive: Manafort flight records show deeper Kremlin ties than previously known

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-manafort-flight-records-show-deeper-kremlin-ties-than-previously-known/ar-BBFvRMd?li=BBnb4R7


Suspicions about Manafort have been fueled by a former British spy's opposition research on Trump. In a now-famous dossier, former MI6 officer Christopher Steele quoted an ethnic Russian close to Trump as saying that Manafort had managed "a well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" between the campaign and the Kremlin.


wait

what was that last part ?

Manafort had managed "a well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" between the campaign and the Kremlin.

Thanks, Satori!  Manafort is a self-serving traitor who should be hung.  He has abused the US electoral system and government to his own evil, selfish ends, and he deserves everything he is going to reap from his greed.  Good riddance.  

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Tell us what you really think Doc. 😂
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The Top Secret info that Trump gave the Russians

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/22/1717980/-The-Top-Secret-info-that-Trump-gave-the-Russians

John McCain probably revealed less to the KGB in 5+ years of torture at the Hanoi Hilton than Trump did in 5 minutes in the Oval. https://twitter.com/philiprucker/status/864225378423984128 


this whole Russian thing is way worse than even I thought
no wonder Trump is sweating bullets and wetting himself
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No Doubt at all.  McCain is a hero and a patriot.
How do you tell if a politician is lying?
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

Tell us what you really think Doc. 😂

My pleasure!!  I have been a lifelong Republican, in the Teddy Roosevelt/Ronald Reagan vein, and Manafort is a sleazy, oily carpetbagger who has personally profited from the misery and death of unfortunates around the world including citizens of Philippines and Ukraine.   He has besmirched my party and our country.  
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Is Michael Flynn now singing?

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Lawyers for former top White House aide Michael Flynn have told Donald Trump's legal team they can no longer discuss the investigation into alleged Russia interference in the 2016 US election, media reports say.

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The New York Times, citing four unnamed people involved in the case, say this cooperation agreement has now ended. CNBC say they have confirmed the move.

It indicates Mr Flynn may be cooperating with prosecutors or may be negotiating a deal, reports say. This is because lawyers must stop sharing information when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.

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Like a canary!!!!!!

Doc love your work lol
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Michael Flynn Has Something On Trump, Lawyers Say


https://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/michael-flynn-has-something-trump-lawyers

“I negotiated a cooperation deal for a target with Mueller's office when he was U.S. Atty and lemme tell ya, he's not gonna give one to Flynn unless he implicates someone up the ladder. That means Kushner, Don Jr., or Big Daddy,” wrote Norm Eisner, a former White House Special Counsel for Ethics on Twitter.

“Prosecutors accept cooperation only if you can provide ‘substantial assistance.’ Higher up in the food chain. Stay tuned…,” wrote Preet Bharara‏, the former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, whom Trump fired early this year after he refused to resign.


oh dear

I hope this didn't spoil Trump's Thanksgiving  LOL


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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

Like a canary!!!!!!

Doc love your work lol

Thanks, check this out! 

Political guru Paul Manafort took at least 18 trips to Moscow and was in frequent contact with Vladimir Putin’s allies for nearly a decade as a consultant in Russia and Ukraine for oligarchs and pro-Kremlin parties.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article186102003.html

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article186102003.html#storylink=cpy


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