When to leave the city and how..?

Hello to you all ,So we have food,water and the rest of our survival items including a snatch bag  when the looting of houses draws near i want to flee to the countryside with my children ,will i have to encounter the Army on roads? and if so any ideas on evasion ? we live on the outskirts of a large city about  5 miles to wooded land i have been trying to make my worst case scenario escape plan boy is it hard to do .Unfortunately we live in a area where the city's have open and sparsely wooded areas in between them so the chances of mass Exodus across the countryside from one city to the next would compromise any hide out i think ,the area i need to get to will be difficult to reach and may take days to reach without being seen, maybe night travel will be our only option,just a thought if you have a area in mind to go to have a drive around and check out the water supply ie,drying out due to drought or building work as i have had to change my plans due to this,also try to obtain old well site maps just a thought, i would appreciate any tips on handling looters and escape plans tata from Raven..UK..

Hi Muskrat,at the moment i am trying to cover all avenues of survival believe me leaving my home will be a last option,as for weapons yes i have started to collect what i can  within the UK law .I am in the process of making hidden hideaways in my home ie,false wall in the attic to hide the kids and some stores,i know this flu may just vanish but i will always be prepared in the future you never know what is around the corner .tata ..Raven..

ravendawn,

imo, you dont want to wait till the looters draw near.

if your plan is to bug out, 

go as soon as the shtf,

if thats not possible, 

then at  the first hint of trouble in your area,

go.

but imo,

if you have left it that long,

you could have problems getting where you want to go,

road blocks by the army/police etc,

looters on the way,

little villages having blocked the roads to keep outsiders out.

if your planning to wait till the shtf before you go,

night travel may not be such a good idea,

lights can be seen for miles,

plus they will see you long before you see them.

better to be there 7 days early than an hour too late.

Hello Ravendale, I've been off line so haven't seen you since you first posted.  I agree with Muskrat, I'm not going anywhere. 

IMO, I feel safer inside my home than outside with who knows what. Here if I have to defend my home, I know it inside and out, but outside I'm maybe in the woods, along with a lot of other people. some more experienced, who could overpower  you and then your provisions are gone. 

In your home they can't see what you have.  Then there are the wild animals, from my understanding they can get it form eating other dead things.  I don't fancy meeting a bear or a cougar, who's sick but not sick enough to  not attack.

Just my reasoning. We are experienced campers as well, not the kind that go to parks,but we pack in our water and pack home our garbage.

ravendawn,

anytime,

always glad to help a fellow prepper.

 

Ravendawn:

For the benefit of those who are not familiar with the U.K. we are a very small island and 50 million of our 60 million inhabitants live in the southern half of it. This is a country where you could, if you wished, walk from one city to another. The option to hide does not exist.

For those of you who live in the U.K. be reasonable. The people in Derby bug out. The people in Nottingham bug out. Ten minutes later someone says Psst. Is anybody there? Two million people say yeah, I'm here. What are we all doing in Sherwood Forest?

You aren't going to like this, and I'm sorry for that, but my best advice is to pause for a while and think.

Ravendawn wrote: Hello Siameselade,believe me if anyone comes in my home i am ready to protect my two young children and wife, i have some plans but any views from other members are greatly received as many minds work better than one,and seeing this is new territory to me all options are open at present.Not being able to own a gun leaves one in a medieval state of home defense,as for looters the local junkies are very widespread in my home town i have seen them in action NOT A PRETTY SITE if and i say if the flu goes mass H2H mob rule here will be swift ,i am trying to devise a plan to go to ground at home or in the wild .tata...

Tough spot you're in.  Let me first say that you are one of millions in the same situation.  However, you are here, you are aware of the threat, you are already considering EVERYTHING that you need to be.  That gives you an advantage millions of people are never going to have.

Here, where I am, well, I can go to ground and defend things, slug it out, until the city is rendered uninhabitable (which is only going to be a matter of a week or so, two at he best).  That's the plan here at present, btw, to slug it out in place, then move out, fight our way out of the city under the cover of darkness.

I do not have any children here.  My youngest and her mother were already evacuated to a safer rural area and will be protected by the people there, and hopefully will not have to face anything similar to the horrors of when this city goes to Hell.

I cannot leave, for reasons that I am choosing not to discuss here, but in a large part are due to responsibilties of leadership, and in part because I see some advantages to be gained by staying in place and slugging it out.

Your situation, from what I can gather, is different altogether.  You haven't sent the children away along with their mother ( which is an alternative you need to examine because there is merit in it regardless of the personal hardship of such a seperation).  You do not have access to the means to defend yourself against that which you refer to as Mob Rule, and you are aware that it's only a matter of days or hours when that senario will unfold once this goes H2H, if it hasn't already done so an we aren't wise to it just yet.

I would look after the children and their mother now.  I have done so myself in regards to my own youngest child and her mother (the other daughters are in their mid-twenties and are making their own decisions as to where to make their stand).

Hi Thomas Angel,i make no excuses we live on a very tight budjet and if it were possible  to evacuate my loved ones i would do so i am glad you have been able to sort your end out,I'm very concerned at the prospect of my family living wild i can cope i think as in my younger days i had to ruff it a bit on the street ,i know to take the route i am will be nearly impossible but i do believe if you stay in your home for a long enougth period after the  H2H has been announced you will have a multitude of unwelcome guests the choice will be on my head .

Good question.  I've been thinking about this too.  Intially, my plan was to stay at my parents' cabin, but I was talking with them about other stuff today and my stepmom mentioned there was a mold problem, so I don't think that'll be a viable long-term solution. 

I have relatives who live in northern MN in small towns, and I suppose I could go there if something happened down here, but living in northern MN would seriously suck when winter comes again if the power was out permanently.  Not to mention, I doubt any of them will prep. 

I probably would shelter in place, but it depends on how bad it gets.  If it got to be a Stephen King scenario, I'd head south so I could at least be warm during the winters.  I'm seriously thinking about getting a tube tent.

 

 

 

Blue Sky,

Welcome into the sun shine.  If your first post is any indication, I eagerly look forward to your future contributions.

Perhaps if you have the time and inclination you could help us understand the Reserve's possible responses to a pandemic.  There are a tremendous amount of questions and anxieties on that issue and having an "insider" help us understand the likely "truth" would be a huge benefit.  If you can't provide any information on this I understand... I was an honorary member of the Secret Squirrel Squad in a past life (kidding of course) but in all seriousness.... if you could help tone down the panic and shooting people in the back beliefs I would be immensely grateful.

SZ

Hi Amethyst,i do apologize you are right ,i am tired a bit burnt out with reference to the cold as previously posted i  meant as i believe the virus dies in the cold i may be wrong as misinformation is abound and i my have succumb to it ,also i intend to isolate my family if possible from human contact so my own perspective on your situation has blurred my thought...

I would highly recomend getting a hovercraft. These can go on highways as well as oceans and rivers. Very sneeky too.

Ravendawn wrote: Hi Scott,maybe i did not express myself clearly this is a valid point  you have raised i am well aware of the migration of millions of refugees into the countryside and to leave ones home as a last result has to be raised ,what happens if the mobs decide to torch the neighborhood for fun?as i have said i do value all replies and i do not get offended we have to have a decision on all eventualities survival is not text book you must cover every angle however distasteful it is ,i like many others need information and finding this site has helped a lot .

 

Can I come back and ask just one more question..please..have you ever eaten and hunted these foods

well I guess couple of questions...and this might apply to anyone who is thinking about bugging out and living off of the land..have you ever skinned an animal...have you ever tried the meats from them..

Will we know which animals will be effected by the bird flu...

Ravendawn wrote: Hi Amethyst,i do apologize you are right ,i am tired a bit burnt out with reference to the cold as previously posted i  meant as i believe the virus dies in the cold i may be wrong as misinformation is abound and i my have succumb to it ,also i intend to isolate my family if possible from human contact so my own perspective on your situation has blurred my thought...

Well, the main reason I'm worried about winter is that it can be harsh,  even with electricity.  This year was fairly mild compared to some.  But if a pandemic hits and the power goes out on a long-term basis, it could be really bad.  That's what I'm concerned about.

Hi muskrat,in reply to your questions yes i have hunted and skinned and eaten  wild game nothing large rabbits (birds) fish ,i have also eaten powdered earth worm a good additive to a stew so i have not been totally reliant on the supermarket ,and yes it is hard to live off the land if you educate yourself with bush craft you can see food Ware others will walk on by ,as for not knowing if the meat is safe to eat we all do not know how much infected food has been supplied to us via our governments before the H5N1 hit the news ,also Duck down  for beds pillows etc so its a game of Russian roulette methinks..