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I have to post something when i saw the lack of information on Sambucol or the Black Elderberries.
1. To answer the simplest question: Where you can buy Sambucol?
A: Walgreens, Walmart, Rite Aid, Cvs, or sambucol website. Plus Ebay has them very cheap because they buy them bulk.
2. Elderberries can be heated without losing it's properties of naturality. When heated, it created the extraction of the medicinal properties and flavor alone, and discards all unnecessary false nutrients. Kinda like apples (the only good part for you is the skin).
3. Using alcohol is the prolly the best method
4. The alternative that is effective just as much if not just under the potency of using alcohol, is simmering Dried elderberries with Cinnamon sticks, ginger cloves and peppermint leaves!;
Since the 12th century Kings and Queens have called Black Elderberries their Heavenly Cure for All ailments. At the time this was the most common form of medicine by the Court Physicians.
Today we know more in depth thanks to years of research.
Here is what Elderberries or Sambucol can cure (potentially and has had high clinical success rates)
1. Cancer cells
2. Avian Flu 100%
3. H1N1 all strands up to 75% success rate-Flu symptoms disappeared after a 3 day trial period with 130 subjects form 13 different universities.
4. Cleans your digestive system making you poop better which allows your cells and immunity to work stronger
5. Can eliminate benign and some cases malignant tumors (cancer cells or various types)
6. Mind Elixir: (alchemists and herbalists, and court physicians name this in the middle ages) it produces a state of calm, and relieves mental stress and some dillusionary psychological issues.
7. Healthy heart
8. breaks down fat and choloesterol.
9. boosts energy, immunity and overall health and if mixed with chamomile and echinacea, it can help with insomnia.
Recipe:
1 cup of Dried Elderberries
1/2cup of honey (1 cup is too much)
1/3cup of chamomile or echinacea or both(already made with 2 cups of boiled water).
2 cinnamon sticks (boiled with teh herbs-separate from dried elderberries)
Than mix the two and let them cool. It would be wise to let each one steep for 20minutes before mixing.
Adding Lemon juice and one lemon peel can preserve this syrup or drink for up to 3 months. So make the biggest batch you want.
The only thing I suggest is making the elderberries separate. Remember to strain the berries after boiling.
make sure after you boil the elderberries to let it simmer on low heat for about 10-20minutes, discarding regularly whatever surfaces (gunk)..
Thats it.
I recommend looking up on elderberries and the best way to use them.
Sambucol can get expensive. I believe at online stores like vitamin shoppe it can cost up to 12$ per 4oz. I found some on ebay for 3 for that same price.
Happy Herbaling!
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Posted: April 27 2009 at 12:52pm |
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Please post the recipe for home made elderberry antiviral for small children. Thank you so much
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Posted: April 27 2009 at 12:50pm |
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I have a fifteen month old grandson. Can he take the home made elderberry and could you post the recipe? Many thanks, Algonesh
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 9:21am |
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Does anyone know if there is a medicinal value for Black Sambuca, the liquor that tastes like black licorice?
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Posted: April 16 2009 at 8:15am |
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Hi Keelvin,
You can find Sambucol at a number of stores and retailers both online and offline. For a complete list, please visit the brand’s newly designed website at www.Sambucol.com. |
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Posted: September 13 2008 at 1:22pm |
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Its now 2008 and I'm hoping to reopen this discussion.
Does anyone know that proper dosage of elderberry tincture for flu victims (not preventative)? There seems to be so many different opinions out there so I'm at a loss as to what is correct. Thanks for your help! |
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 5:10pm |
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Some people have used brandy with some good results, but most herbologists (spelling?) say that 80 proof or better vodka works best.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:50pm |
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Does it have to be vodka? Would a high proof brandy work as well?
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:32pm |
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No, do not cook them. Dried berries is the way yo go. It concentrates the medicinal properties in the berry, and then it released thru the soaking in the vodka.
There is a way to make this for children using a heat method, see my above posts, but a hot temp will ruin the berries.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 9:16am |
MW, A friend of mine is insisting that the berries must be cooked before soaking in the liquor. It is my understanding that one should just use dried uncooked sambucus nigra berries. Who is correct? Red |
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 9:02am |
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Red elderberry is poision, but seem to be OK after they are cooked. Plus they don't have the medicinal properties anyway. (Or the blue ones either).
Even if they did, cooking (heat) would destroy the parts needed for medicinal purposes.
But as far as a medicinal tincture goes, is has to be the black.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:39am |
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Ginseng is one of the most highly regarded energy tonics of Chinese herbalism. It is classified as an adaptogen, which helps the body adapt to a variety of physical and psychological stresses. Planetary Formulas Full Spectrum Ginseng Extract combines a standardized extract of Asian ginseng root, concentrated to 20% ginsenosides, with whole Asian ginseng root. Combining the extract with pure root insures all the important compounds of ginseng are captured, for a broad range of ginseng activity. For Ginseng Extract Full Spectrum Products : For More Information Nutrovita |
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 3:27pm |
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I have checked on that too so I'll share what I found with you. I have a friend in Texas who said she has Elderberries she makes jellies out of. I checked some sources and include a link to an American edible Elderberry. I don't know if the anti-viral action would be the same. Vodka is high. I ordered the Elderberry and it was here 3 days later. Good Luck!
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 7:23am |
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Some info I've gathered;
Excuse me it last only 6 hours not 8!
N-acetylneuraminic acid (sialic acid)
http://www.innvista.com/health/nutrition/essensug/naceneur.htm Look here and note the content of sialic acid in milk, it’s high.
Survey of total sialic acid and Neu5Gc content of common food items http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/2131556100/DC2 Or mother’s milk. “The breast fed infants, when compared with formula fed infants, were found to have almost two times more free sialic acid in saliva” “The findings provide a preliminary indication that an exogenous source of sialic acids derived from human milk may contribute to higher concentrations of sialic acid in body fluids.” |
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 7:07am |
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Mountainwinds, I thank you so much for your help. I already feel better! I am aware that echinacea, dairy products, chocolate, bananas and honey all increase mucus which is bad if one already has the flu with secondary infection. I have been following this a long time. I have also read a report which clearly states that the good stuff that may offer some protection (sialic acid) is a natural sugar and all traces are eliminated from the body within 8 hours. Based on that finding I will only dose when I think I am going into an area where I may be exposed as I don't believe it's something that "builds up." I am no expert- just an old grandma trying to put pieces together and if you have different findings I need to know. I think that if there is a strong, long lasting pandemic, it will take a combination of things not just one magic bullet to get through it. You give of your time to try to help people. I really appreciate you. If I had your address I'd mail you some of my homemade soap! |
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 12:04am |
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And to add, Sambucol contains Echinacea which is not a herb that should be taken for bird flu, as it does raise the cytokine levels.
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 11:56pm |
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Elderberries can be left in, I have had mine made for several months now and have not removed them.
Vodka must be 80 proof or better. Shelf life is years since it is basically vodka. Unlike some of the other types, (syrup or sambucol) it is a lot cheaper to make. Check the dosage on the bottles and you will see that it will cost a lot more than making it yourself.
And to get thru all three waves of the flu, the cost can be enormous.
I have made enough so I can start taking it before the flu ever hits my area. The elderberry will already be in my system, so any infection will be limited as the viral load will be kept to a minimum.
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 10:43pm |
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Mountainwinds,
Is there any reason why I can't leave these elderberries in this vodka indefinitely? I'm planning on calling all my sons and ask them to bring me 4 bottles of Vodka each (that'll floor 'em) but I suspect they already think I'm losing it so it doesn't matter. Thanks for the recipe and also where to buy Elderberry. I have been paying over $10.00 a pound; I ground it up in a coffee grinder and put it in capsules and bought the syrup for the grandchildren early this year. I checked and the shelf life was said to be two years. Wal-Mart now has an Elderberry Syrup for $6.00+. I don't know how it would compare to Sambucol which costs about 3 times as much. |
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You know, I just realized that there are newer findings on Elderberry than what some are looking at. 2001? In my notes from earlier this year I copied this;
Elderberries could combat bird flu
1.42PM, Wed Jan 18 2006 “Mumcuoglu, an Israeli virologist, was the first to discover elderberry constituents neutralize the activity of the hemagglutinin spikes found on the surface of several viruses. When these hemagglutinin spikes are deactivated the viruses can no longer pierce cell walls or enter the cell and replicate. Based on these findings, Sambucol, a syrup containing 38-percent standardized extract of black elderberry, was developed. Numerous studies using the Sambucol preparation have shown it to neutralize and reduce the infectivity of influenza viruses A and B, HIV strains and clinical isolates, and Herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) strains and clinical isolates.”
Sambucus nigra or Elderberry http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_1_10/ai_n13648434 If you have higher levels of sialic acid in your blood, the virus binds to this before it gets to the sialic acid receptors."
I believe it was tested on canine cells and killed 99% of 8 types of flu virus including bf. There are other ways to injest sialic acid. Mothers milk is highest, whey powder maybe next, but I stocked evaporated goat milk too. Goat milk and goat cheese is very high in these natural sugars.
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you may want to be careful of the elderberries... but I see that cranberry juice is good. I bought cranberry concentrate. I thought this site was interesting...and see that many here agree on some of the remedies.
And below that... kind of long. is a post I put on the NY state site.
just so people know what is in some vaccines.
(I also feel that if someone wants vaccines for their family, go for it, but at least we should know the risks.)
Some if it curled my hair... my fav is the well written one that is in reg folk speak. If people knew what they used...
CELL SUBSTRATES FOR VACCINE DEVELOPMENT
a small excerpt...
The first one on this list here is CJD,
Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease, which was transmitted by growth hormone. The growth hormone was produced from human cadaveric material. A very unpleasant disease. It's almost impossible to detect the agent other than by standing back and waiting for the incubation period to go. In France, there are still a large number
of cases coming through as a result of this. (human cadaveric material) It may well be that around 10 percent are recipients of
human-derived growth hormone, will actually wind up going down with CJD in France.  see more after alt meds...
Alternative medications that are most likely to help us during a severe pandemic
SOURCE...
http://www.bird-flu-influenza.com/relenza-tamiflu-alternatives-folk-medicines-antivirals.htm ..................................................................................................................................
Garlic (allicin) - Very effective antiviral. Best if fresh (raw) and crushed. Must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. Dosage is initially 2 to 3 cloves per day but later reduce until no body odour occurs. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 9049657).
Vitamin C - Boosts the immune system and is an antiviral by blocking the enzyme neuraminadase. Viruses need neuraminadase to reproduce. There are anecdotal stories of people taking large amounts of Vitamin C (children ½) surviving the Spanish Flu. Research shows that it may reduce the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. A study on 470 people involved giving the test group 1000 mg hourly for 6 hours and then 1000 mg 3 times daily after reporting flu symptoms. Symptoms decreased by 85%. (Pubmed PMID 10543583, 634178, 16169205, 12876306)
Green Tea (possible Tamiflu/Relenza alternative)- Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine (catechins) TNF-a. Inhibits neuraminidase. May have antiviral activity that is equal to other antivirals such as Tamiflu ( Pubmed PMID 16137775 )
St Johns Wort (Hypericum) - Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine IL-6. Hypericum is an extract from St John’s Wort. There have been some very successful field trials in commercial flocks infected with H5N1 in Vietnam. (Pubmed PMID 7857513, 11518071, 11362353, 7857513)
Vitamin E - Immune booster. Also decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 10929076) Experiments involved using mice. Very suitable for immune compromised people, especially the elderly. Effects enhanced when taken with Vitamin C.
Apple Juice - Antiviral. Fresh apple juice including the pulp and skin has greater antiviral activity than heated commercial apple juice. More research is needed. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown (Pubmed PMID 32832, 12452634)
Resveratrol - Antiviral. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. This is a proven antiviral found naturally in red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood root (richest source), raisins and red grapes.
Resveratrol supplements are relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 1583880, 12817628, 15985724) Scuttellaria (Skullcap)- Antiviral. A herb used as a tea. It has no side effects and is also a mild tranquilliser. Research suggests neuraminidase, which is a substance needed by the H5N1 Bird Flu virus to reproduce, may be inhibited.
Cranberry Juice - Early research shows that it may be an antiviral, making viruses less able to invade or multiply. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown (Pubmed PMID 15781126)
Cats Claw (Uncaria tomentosa)- Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. Also boosts immune system. The number of white blood cells was significantly increased during treatment. No toxicity was noted. (www.uspharmacist.com id 844)
(Pubmed 10962207) Active constituents can be found in the leaves, bark, vine, and roots. Water extraction from bark used. Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells (cancers, foetuses, growing children) Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. This is the yellow compound in turmeric spice. Research shows that this may be very good for preventing a cytokine storm although this is not proven (www.pdrhealth.com). Must be taken with food or gastritis or peptic ulcers may occur. Pregnant women and feeding mothers should avoid this. The medicinal properties of curcurnin cannot be utilised when used alone due to rapid metabolism in the liver and intestinal wall. When combined with Piperine found in black pepper the absorption is increased with no adverse effects.(www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/pip_0322)
Obtainable from health stores in tablets, liquid, capsules already combined with piperine. Dosage is 500mg to 4000mg daily. Recommended product: Tumeric from the supermarket
Astragalus root (Astragali Radix) - Boosts immune system (Pubmed PMID 15588652)
Tea tree Steam Inhalation - Reduces the cytokine TNF-a. Add 2 drops of tea tree oil in a bowl of steaming water. Cover head with a towel and inhale for 5 to 10 minutes. Relieves congestion and fights infection. Its effectiveness is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 11131302)
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The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic Not Recommended
Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 Bird Flu virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6) Not Recommended
Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a (Pubmed PMID 11731916)
Not Recommended
Honey - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID 12824009) Not Recommended
Chocolate - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928) Not Recommended
Echinacea - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1 (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541) Not Recommended
Kimchi - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID 15630182) Not Recommended
Dairy products & Bananas - These foods increase mucous production. ...........................................................................
Vaccines....
Cell Cultured influenza vaccines, used to be Science Fiction
Prepared by...Georgetown and John Hopkins Universities A Draft for discussion.
MODEL STATE EMERGENCY HEALTH POWERS ACT Draft as of December 21, 2001 Find it here... http://www2a.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/msehpa2.pdf
"ARTICLE VI SPECIAL POWERS DURING A STATE OF PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY: .............................................
They may preform exams or tests as necessary... May exercise emergency powers over persons as necessary... to address the public health emergency.
You want to inject us with ... WHAT?
The FluBlok(R) vaccine has recently finished phase II clinical trials, where it has established safety and the ability to elicit a strong antibody response in humans. "Since all the media used here are chemically stable and commercially available, the process can be easily scaled up for commercial manufacture," says Wang. "New FluBlok vaccines can be developed quickly and safely to address late appearing influenza viruses and to reduce the impact of a potential flu pandemic."
Absolutely Amazing....
WHO has recognized an urgent need to develop cell culture techniques for influenza vaccine production. Vaccines prepared using Madin-Darby-Canine-Kidney (MDCK) and Vero cells (derived from human embryonic lung fibroblasts) have been given limited clinical trials. These cell culture systems offer the advantage of increasing vaccine production at short notice to meet unexpected demand or supplemental vaccine can be produced if a new antigenic variant is detected. One of the problems associated with the use of current inactivated vaccines is the need to give repeated annual injections. The mucosal delivery of influenza vaccine would avoid the use of syringes and improve compliance."
http://www.fda.gov/cber/minutes/0910evolv.txt Titled... U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION CENTER FOR BIOLOGICS EVALUATION AND RESEARCH INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR BIOLOGICALS
NATIONAL VACCINE PROGRAM OFFICE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
EVOLVING SCIENTIFIC AND REGULATORY PERSPECTIVES ON |
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 8:23pm |
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Also Lotus Lady - I had my first flu shot EVER last fall - so thanks for the info.
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 8:17pm |
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oknut - thanks for the "silver" input. I will definetly get some. I've had a cough now for 3 week s that I can't get rid of and am now trying sambucal. I hate antibiotics but, unfortunatley, went on amoxyicilyn (sp?) last week for this cough that kept me up all night and came down with horrible hives- obviously allergic to the stuff. I still have the bad cough. Using oregano also. Thanks again.
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There is never going to be enough vaccine to make everyone get the vaccine, so I wouldn't worry about it. This is one of their big concerns--even if they could produce a vaccine, they can't make enough.
That is why homeopathy is such a natural solution. Easy to make, produce and can be increased in quantity by the practitioner on the spot.
Problem is, you can't patent something that is so easily reproduced, thus there is no interest in it by the government. A kit that could cure thousands of people who get the flu is less than $100.00 to purchase.
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Some of you are still experiencing residual effects from the flu shot. Not suprised. Homeopaths hear this all the time. Doctors don't because their patients don't tell them because they wouldn't believe them anyway.
I strongly suggest that if you are still having effects from the flu shot that you seek out a classical homeopath to get you back on track. We have lots of remedies that have a history of pulling people out of problems with vaccines--at least 50 of them.
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 7:57pm |
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If you use the homeopathic version of this plant, if symptoms fit (see my previous posting), you don't have to worry about any of the interaction problems or other things that people have brought up as a concern.
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Interestingly, Sambucus nigra, as it is called in homeopathy, is an influenza, cough, croup and whooping cough remedy--when the symptom picture fits. That is, difficulty breathing, suffocating feeling, face turns blue, marked perspiration. Worse at midnight to 3 a.m. Chill in hands and feet and warm body. Emotionally, someone would be very fretful, and frightful following the suffocative attacks.
Makes my chest tight just thinking about it.
 There are many, many more homeopathic remedies for influenza.
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When making or using colloidal silver, never, never, never, repeat never, pour any down your drain if you have a septic tank.
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crystal,
I think they still put drops of a silver solution into the eyes of newborns and silver is used in many water purification systems. I make my own and have for years. I believe it's wonderful, but not a pancea like some claim. We plan to have plenty of colloidal silver solution on hand and oil of oregano along with some prescription meds and chinese herbal formulas. I'm prone to sinus problems and adding a little colloidal silver to my neti pot has worked wonders, time and again. I add a little to the dogs water dish each day and there is never a film in the bowl. |
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I was in a health food/vitamin store today and I asked the person at the counter about colloidal silver as an antibiotic. He said he thought oregano is better as it has proven itself over time. He wasn't sure the silver has been used enough to test it's effectiveness. Any thoughts on this?
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Posted: May 05 2006 at 5:43pm |
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According to SophiaZoe:
"I did 1/3 dried elderberries to 2/3 vodka (clear at least 80 proof). Soak a week, in a dark, cool place, shaking twice a day. After a week, I whisked them with my hand blender and let them soak two more weeks. Dark, cool place, shaken twice a day. At the end of three weeks I strained them into sterile canning jars and tucked them away. BTW: I only did 10 lbs, the other 10 I am holding in abeyance." |
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Posted: May 05 2006 at 5:26pm |
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Hello, does anyone have the recipe to make Homemade Sambucol that also has tried it? |
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oil of oregano shows great promise as anti-viral agent including against bird flu:
I think mandatory vaccinations against bird flu would be a possibility,
but in U.S. only if pandemic gets really out of hand. Most likely, people vaccinated
against their will could be those where contagious bird flu breaks out (assuming it's detected right away, of course). WHO and CDC plan to
use same surround and isolate model deployed during Eradication of
smallpox. They sometimes had to use force then, too -- some people
in both India and Africa worshipped smallpox as a god/goddess and
believed that to get vaccinated would be call down the wrath of god
and give them smallpox instead of preventing it.
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Sambucol/elderberry extract is undoubtedly effective at combating the flu and bird flu should be no exception. However, due to how it increases cytokine storm it would be extremely foolish to take it more than two days into a bird flu infection. As a preventative measure, yes. When you're first feeling sick for 1-2 days, OK. When you have a high fever and/or trouble breathing -- NO!
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I am not sure about the mandatory vaccination, I doubt it. The only people the government force vaccination upon I believe is military personnel, ----once you sign for military duty you belong to them --whether like it or not they get gazillion of shots for just about eveything.
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Thanks - it's nice to finally have people other than my husband and a few close friends actually BELIEVE me.
I really was fine prior to the shot and sick within hours. Almost 6 months later and I'm still not back to normal. Can the government force vaccination on us in the event of a pandemic? I'm extremely leery of anymore unnecessary vaccinations. |
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that is why I have never had a flu shot before.......or ever in any near future, I just do not believe in them. ( Please it is my personal opinion, not to create a debate about whether it works or not)
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And thanks, C, for the info.
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Why are there so many threads here with people reporting that they either were not protected by this year's flu shot, or have actually been made sick by it?
I've read of experiences like yours, oknut, several times here. |
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I purchased 2 jars of lauricidin as part of my preps. I've been experiencing flu-like symptoms and pneumonia since getting my flu shot in late Oct so I started taking a single dose of the lauricidin per day a week or so ago. It does seem to be helping me.
Either it's helping or whatever viral crud I contracted is finally winding down. I'm definately saving the other jar for the preps though. I have several containers of coconut oil that I'll use first on my garden variety virus. We did manage to get 2 rounds of Tamiflu per person but it sounds like they keep upping the necessary dosage so I'm glad there are some alternative treatments available. |
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Red Cloud" Several antiseptics >sage, juniper berries, but one of the most powerful >Oil of Thyme. Hope this helps.
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Calendula,
Thanks for outlining your reasoning, and taking the time to educate me. I have stocked some oregano oil and elderberry tincture. The lauric acid is new to me, but your description of its action makes sense. What are you using as your "powerful antiseptic?" Thanks again. Red |
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RedCloud: I can only educate based on my knowledge and research. The reason I have chosen oregano oil and lauric acid in trying to help myself and my family in case infection with BF is due to their antiviral properties. Oregano has one of the most anti-viral properties known in any herb. Lauric acid ( coconuts flesh) has shown in research to reduce viral loads in HIV patients. Why these 2? IMHO- sambucol and elderberries have shown to be effective against Influenza type A & B, and although BF is an influenza type A virus it differs a lot from it. Why I did this?> From what I know what BF virus, it is a lipid coated virus, in research lauric acid has shown to penetrate the layer of lipid coated viruses, therefore reducing viral loads. I am also using eucalyptus oil, tea tree oil, I use eucalyptus in a handkerchief and sort of sniff the esential oils, it helps deter particles entering your mucous membranes,(nostrils) especially around crwoded areas, I clean my household areas with tea tree oil, powerful antiseptic and antifungal. Supplements are an individual choice, based on knowledge and information, these are my 2 cents worth!
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MW,
Thanks. Because of my background I tend to look at anything medicinal as, well, medicine, with all its attendant warnings and caveats. An because I've been unable to obtain much Tamiflu, even given all the docs in my family, I've been casting about for other interventions. |
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Redcloud, these are foods, and can be taken whenever you want, and as much as you want.
In the 1980s, virologist Madeline Mumcuoglu, Ph.D., set out to determine by what mechanism elderberry successfully defeats the flu. She found that the action of elderberry extract was to prevent viral hemagglutinin, or the process of the invading cells using their spike-like projections to introduce its enzyme into healthy cell membranes. She further noted that the viral enzyme is also neutralized in the presence of elderberry extract.
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