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    Posted: May 31 2006 at 3:14pm
Pressure is mounting.
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   Joe, I also have written to my senators (NY) as well as my representative. I will follow up with a phone call, probably on Friday.
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Well, doctor, I have written to my Senators about this issue.  No response back yet.  I have called on this board and my Aztectalk3 board for others to write.  Hopefully some will.
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http://www.liputan6.com/view/3,123161,1,0,1148122198.html

Liputan6.com, Medan: the positive Patient bird flu, Jonnes Ginting that was treated in Adam's Hospital the Owner, Medan, North Sumatra, began to obey the doctor's advice.
The patient that could bolt twice this began to realise the illness that was suffered very dangerous.
Was like this it was said Mombang Ginting, the mother Jonnes, in Medan, recently.
As far as this is concerned indeed the Jonnes condition improved.
The progress was marked by the temperature of the normal body and the breathless loss after being given antibiotik and the infusion continually.
The man from the Karo Land, North Sumatra this also was guarded tight so that still did not bolt [read: wanted to drink Coffee, Jonnes Ginting Again bolted].
While Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari stressed, the Department of the Health did not yet pull out the status of the extraordinary incident (KLB) bird flu in the Motherland.
Siti Fadilah stressed, up to now was not yet found by existence proof of the spreading of the virus avian sub-type influenza H5N1.
That it was stressed the alumnus of the University Gadjah Stupid that when the case cluster or the bird flu sufferer in one family improved to six cases [read: Lima the Patient was ascertained Positive Terjangkit Bird Flu].
Recorded, in the Simbelang Fortification Village, the Karo Land, there were four people it was confirmed died because of bird flu.
Now another that died also it was suspected because of bird flu.
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Yes you are right but the History channel said the initial spread was most probably from ducks or geese. As i said it jumped around and skipped whole countries only to appear later. As people traveled by boat, horse or foot it couyld not spread like it could now with jets.  I ordered the tape but never received it.
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WHO Probes Bird Flu Cluster
Signs of Human Transmission Sought in Indonesian Deaths

By Alan Sipress
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, May 19, 2006; A17

JAKARTA, Indonesia, May 18 -- An international team of health investigators arrived on the Indonesian island of Sumatra on Thursday to determine whether an unusually large cluster of human bird flu cases indicates that the highly lethal virus has mutated into a form easily spread among people.

Laboratory tests conducted for the World Health Organization confirmed this week that five members of one extended family in Kubu Sembilang village had died of bird flu during the first two weeks of May and a sixth had been infected but was recovering. A seventh family member, a 37-year-old woman who had been the first to fall ill, is also suspected of succumbing to the disease but was buried before samples could be taken.

The Sumatran cluster is the world's largest since the disease emerged in East Asia in 2003, although several dozen others have been reported. Any cluster raises the prospect that the virus has undergone genetic change allowing it to spread more readily among people, increasing the likelihood of a global pandemic.

WHO dispatched two investigators from its Jakarta office to northern Sumatra last week, but their initial efforts were stymied by distraught relatives' reluctance to discuss the cases. A second team, which arrived Thursday, included a senior epidemiologist from WHO's headquarters in Geneva and investigators from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta and WHO's regional office in New Delhi.

"We are taking this very seriously," said Sari Setiogi, spokeswoman for WHO's Indonesia office. "The good news is that from our investigation to date, there's no evidence of further spread of the virus beyond the family."

Setiogi said that relatives, neighbors and health-care workers who treated the patients were being monitored and that none had shown influenza-like symptoms.

Influenza specialists have said they suspect human transmission played a role in several other clusters of infection, including instances in Thailand, Vietnam and elsewhere in Indonesia. But the disease has yet to demonstrate it can pass beyond the confines of a family, which would be necessary for bird flu to spark a global epidemic.

The source of the Sumatra outbreak remains unclear. Health officials said that they had heard a report of sick chickens near one of the victims' homes but that tests of poultry and other livestock in the village had failed to identify any infected animals. Agriculture Minister Anton Apriyantono said Thursday, however, that samples taken from chickens, ducks and pigs from the surrounding district had tested positive for exposure to bird flu.

Some Indonesian health officials have speculated that the afflicted family members, who lived near each other in four houses, had contracted the virus either by sharing a feast of infected chicken and pork or from contaminated manure. Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari minimized the possibility that the virus had spread from one family member to another.

If they had all caught bird flu from the same contaminated source, the victims would have been expected to become sick within the normal incubation period for the disease, which at most is slightly more than one week. But the final victim, a toddler, became ill after that, raising the possibility that the virus was passed between relatives.

Nur Rasyid Lubis, who heads the bird flu prevention team at Adam Malik Hospital in North Sumatra, said five members of the family, including at least two children, were admitted at the same time on May 8 with fever and respiratory problems. X-rays showed symptoms of pneumonia. They all died over the following week.

Lubis reported that all seven victims from the family were related to one another by blood rather than through marriage, reinforcing the suspicions of some influenza specialists that genetic susceptibility could play a role in determining who catches bird flu.

The Sumatra cases and a separate fatal infection confirmed this week in Surabaya, Indonesia's second-largest city, increased the country's death toll from the disease to at least 30. Bird flu has infected more than 216 people worldwide, killing more than half.

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Oldasrocks,
 That's strange info. Everything I've ever read or heard about the black death is that it's caused by a nasty bacteria called yersinias pestis, which multiplies in the lymphatic nodes causing the characteristic "bubos" that give it the name bubonic plague.
Focusing on the obvious will lead to disaster. It's what you don't aniticipate that gets you killed.
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Tongue  Great Letter Gettingready! But in all honesty...its their job to keep all the info away from us, until they can no longer hide the facts;( IMO? I can see this boiling down to a cleansing of this planet, getting rid of many, while the Gov't stand strong in the end....except for the chosen few who make it thru it all. Call me nutz...whatever....but I do not trust the Gov't...any Gov't...or part of.  Shocked
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Left Field,  Where have you been?  There was a show on the history channel a while back  proving the Black Death was actually BF spread from china.  They traced what written records they have from the time and the way it jumped around had to be from ducks not rats.
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Confused   It may be a stupid question but I just have to ask it...lol OK...they sent it to Hong Kong to be checked? ok...but! I've heard over and over...lets say it was China instead of Hong Kong...that the Chinese would not openly admit to it being mutated due to the mass closing of ports ect....basicly shutting down a country. How can we trust any of the countries to be upfront and honest from day 1???? Our own Gov't has been putting the cabosh on fact finding on the web! Can we expect anymore from other countries?
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Has this been posted yet?
Govt rules out human-to-human transmission of bird flu

JAKARTA (AP): Indonesia's health minister on Friday ruled out human-to-human transmission of bird flu among four family members who died from the virus earlier this month on Sumatra island, saying they had been infected by poultry.

"According to local DNA sequencing tests, they got the virus ... from poultry," Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari said. She said she was awaiting confirmation from a World Health Organization (WHO)-accredited laboratory in Hong Kong, but wasconfident the results would match.

The family members did not contract the H5N1 bird flu virus through human to human transmission, Fadilah told reporters.

Meanwhile, WHO on Friday confirmed two more humandeaths from bird flu in Indonesia - one of them from a family on Sumatra island that has already lost four members to the disease, officials said Friday."The tests came back positive for the H5N1 virus last night," WHO spokeswoman Sari Setiogi said. The latest victims were two boys, one from the suburbs of Jakarta, Health Ministry spokesman Sumardi said.

According to the most recent WHO figures, the H5N1 virus has killed 123 people worldwide. A quarter of those deaths occurred in Indonesia, which saw its official toll jump to 32 this weekw when WHO-laboratories in Hong Kong confirmed the five Sumatradeaths and two on Java island.

WHO confirmed this week the death of the four family members and the infection of a fifth on Sumatra island from bird flu, raising concerns the virus might have mutated into a form easily passedbetween humans. Most human cases of bird flu have been linked to contact with infected poultry. (**)

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http://www.metrotvnews.com/berita.asp?id=16967

Metrotvnews.com, Bandung: the Aan Suwarsa Condition, the patient suspect bird flu did still not improve.

Till Friday (19/5), Aan was still being treated intensively in the Hospital of Hassan Sadikin, Bandung, West Java.
According to the doctor Djatmiko that handled the bird flu patient in this hospital, clinically and laboratoris, the Aam condition really headed to bird flu.
He mentioned the patient showed the breathless sign, the story of the cough, and pneumonia spread with very fast.
Moreover, in two finally, pneumonia has spread to his two lungs.
Djatmiko added at this time the team of the handling of bird flu was looking for the story of the patient's contact to know the virus origin
contagious bird flu to the patient.
The plan is, results of the laboratory could have been known, today.
However, till Friday early afternoon, the team of the doctor admitted to not yet getting him.
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Strange, we're all looking at pigs, cats, dogs and birds.  Have we forgotten the black death so soon?  What if we're missing the boat and it's a rat flee, and this is the missing connection between all the related cases that can't be traced back to a bird or pig?
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How Did Seven Family Members Get Infected With Bird Flu?
Article Date: 19 May 2006 - 10:00am (PDT)

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=43704#



We still don't know how seven members of the same family in Indonesia became infected with the H5N1 bird flu virus strain. Six of them have died. It is vital to know whether some of them infected each other. If they did, this would mean that the virus might be changing.

The World Health Organization says that it is highly unlikely that H5N1 has mutated in this case. If it had, WHO believes more people from outside the family would have become infected.

The problem is that many days have passed and no one has managed to find any other source. If they had become infected by sick chickens or ducks, surely they would have been traced by now.

Henry Niman, Ph.D., President of Recombinomics, is calling for the release of the human H5N1 bird flu sequences from the dead family members which are held in the WHO database. He said the bimodal distribution of infection, starting with the index case who became ill on April 27, to family members in early May, indicates the possibility of human-to-human transmission. It is vital to know whether/how the H5N1 genome has changed.

Scientists fear that when the H5N1 bird flu virus strain mutates, it will gain the ability to transmit from human to human. At the moment it cannot do that easily. If it does manage to mutate in this way, we could be facing a serious flu pandemic. Nobody knows what the mutated virus will be like - it could be extremely lethal or relatively harmless.

Nowhere in the world so far, except in this case in Indonesia, have so many people of the same family become infected within a few days of each other.

Indonesia's neighbours are increasingly nervous at its inability to stop the bird flu spread. New cases of sick chickens have been reported in the eastern Papua province - which has alarmed Australia.

Over 200 million chickens live in people's backyards in Indonesia. This makes it especially hard to contain the bird flu spread and to really know how many sick chickens there are.

Indonesian authorities seem unable to cope with the task of implementing measures to control avian flu at the district level. Different regions of the country are doing what they can with very little supervision from central authorities.

WHO has urged Indonesian authorities to do more to raise public awareness.

Thailand and Vietnam have been praised for their effective efforts in containing the spread of avian influenza.

Bird flu = Avian Flu
Flu = Influenza

Written by: Christian Nordqvist
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I couldn't agree more friend.   I think the pandemic has begun for the world now.   Look for more and more press starting off with "soft" stories next week with gradual progression to what we already know.

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just from what ive read i dont think its h2h but probably pig to human
 
with possible limited h2h between family....
 
i really like to see them killing all the pigs before this thing has a chance to
 
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I knew that I should have kept up with this thread. Now I don't have the patience to read through 3 pages. If things get really bad, someone please let me know. Smile
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The WHO's update - May 18
 

Avian influenza – situation in Indonesia – update 12

18 May 2006

The Ministry of Health in Indonesia has confirmed an additional seven cases of human infection with the H5N1 avian influenza virus. Six of the cases were fatal.

One fatal case, in a 38-year-old woman, occurred in the city of Surabaya, in East Java. She developed symptoms on 2 May, was hospitalized on 7 May, and died on 12 May. The case is the first reported from this area.

The remaining six cases are from the village of Kubu Sembelang in the Karo district of North Sumatra. All six are members of an extended family, and all but one lived in neighbouring houses.

Associated with the Kubu Sembelang outbreak is a seventh family member, a 37-year-old woman. She developed symptoms on 27 April and died of respiratory disease on 4 May. No specimens were obtained before her burial, and the cause of her death cannot be confirmed. She is, however, considered the initial case in this family cluster.

The six confirmed cases in Sumatra include the woman’s two sons, aged 15 and 17 years, who died respectively on 9 May and 12 May. The 28-year-old sister of the initial case died on 10 May. This sister had an 18-month-old girl, who died on 14 May. The fifth confirmed case, who is still alive, is the 25-year-old brother of the initial case. The sixth confirmed case is the 10-year-old nephew of the initial case. He died on 13 May.

One additional family member, who had been hospitalized, has subsequently been ruled out based on both negative laboratory results and the absence of clinical symptoms compatible with H5N1 infection.

This is the largest cluster of cases, closely related in time and place, reported to date in any country and is being carefully investigated by Indonesia’s ministries of health and agriculture and by WHO epidemiologists. The source of exposure for the initial case is still under investigation, with exposure to infected poultry or an environment contaminated by their faeces considered the most plausible source.

The likely source of infection for the additional cases has not yet been determined. Multiple hypotheses are being investigated. Apart from living in close proximity to each other, the cases in this cluster are known to have participated in a family gathering around 29 April. The cases may have acquired their infection from a shared environmental exposure yet to be identified. The possibility of limited human-to-human transmission cannot be ruled out at present.

Investigators at the outbreak site have found no evidence that infection has spread beyond members of this single extended family. No influenza-like illness has been identified in health care workers or other persons in close contact with the patients. If human-to-human transmission has occurred, it has not been either efficient or sustained.

The newly confirmed cases bring the total in Indonesia to 40. Of these cases, 31 have been fatal.

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Yes,
 
She was attending the some of the patients... I have not heard anything regarding her condition or what her test results showed.
 
Hopefully tests will be run to determine if the pigs are the missing link.
 
Originally posted by oknut oknut wrote:

Jhetta - considering that the article you just posted was almost 3 months ago, I guess it's no wonder that we're hearing about clusters.

And now they say pigs have it. I hope they keep reporting on this area so we'l know if it spreads beyond the extended family.

Was the nurse that was in some of the articles attending these victims or am I getting my clusters mixed up? 
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Jhetta - considering that the article you just posted was almost 3 months ago, I guess it's no wonder that we're hearing about clusters.

And now they say pigs have it. I hope they keep reporting on this area so we'l know if it spreads beyond the extended family.

Was the nurse that was in some of the articles attending these victims or am I getting my clusters mixed up?

    
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Failed Indonesian bird flu response concerns experts
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2006/s1578301.htm

AM - Saturday, 25 February , 2006  08:05:00

Reporter: Peter Cave

Excerpt from article:
"PETER CAVE: How seriously do you think the Indonesians are taking the threat of bird flu?

ANDREW JEREMIJENKO: I think the Indonesians are taking this seriously, but I don't think they're actually dealing with it effectively. I really think that they need to do better research, and more investigations and better investigations to work out what is really happening and to work out an effective control program.

PETER CAVE: Why do you think they're not doing it the right way?

ANDREW JEREMIJENKO: I don't think they have the experience on the ground. The influenza research here is still in a very early stage. There's meant to be a national influenza centre in Indonesia, but it really hasn't been working at all. They've got international funding, but they haven't been able to get it up and running yet.

I think they are trying to … they are trying to deal with the problem, but they really need to get an effective control program in place.

Now, Indonesia's had this problem since 2003, August 2003, and there've been human deaths since July 2005, and now we're in 2006, February 2006, and they still really haven't got an effective program together.

PETER CAVE: Is the way that Indonesia is dealing with this problem a threat to Australia?

ANDREW JEREMIJENKO: I think it is not only a threat to Australia, I think it is a threat to the whole entire world. Every human case is another potential mutation that could turn this virus into a pandemic virus.

PETER CAVE: More so than somewhere like Nigeria, for example?

ANDREW JEREMIJENKO: I think Nigeria, India, Indonesia, they are all threats to the world. But Indonesia is more advanced, it's had this virus for longer, and so that's why we are more concerned.
 
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PETER CAVE: Are you seeing mutations in the virus in Indonesia?

ANDREW JEREMIJENKO: Yes, that's a good question. We are seeing mutations in the human virus. We are not seeing that same mutation in the bird virus.
And that's of great concern.

Basically, when you do an investigation of a bird flu case, you should try to find the virus from the human
and match it up with the virus from the bird and find the cause.

Now, in Indonesia, the investigations have been sub-optimal, and they have not been able to match the human virus to the poultry virus,
so we really do not know where that virus is coming from in most of these human cases.

PETER CAVE:
Does it suggest it's going through an intermediary before it's infecting humans?

ANDREW JEREMIJENKO: It's a possibility that we can't rule out. I think they really need to do a lot more investigations. So far the closest match we have to the human virus is from a cat virus. So the cat could be an intermediate. We really don't know what's happening yet. They need to do more studies, they need to get better investigators on the ground to work out what is happening in Indonesia, and it needs to be done urgently.

PETER CAVE:
Can Indonesia do this on its own?

ANDREW JEREMIJENKO: I think they need international assistance. So far the investigations have been unable to match the viruses. It is poor communication between the Department of Health and the Department of Agriculture. There are many reasons, but they don't seem to be able to match the viruses from the human case to the animal case, and that is putting the world at threat."
 
 
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Scientists Fear Bird Flu Virus May Have Mutated



May 18, 2006
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World Health Organization officials are increasingly concerned that a thus far unexplained outbreak of the bird flu virus could mean that a long-feared scenario has been borne out -- that the virus may have mutated so that it can be passed from one human to another.

The concern began with reports that seven members of one family in a remote Indonesian village had come down with the disease.

Doctors were immediately troubled by the fact that there had been no outbreaks of the disease among birds in the region. To date, all of the more than 200 people infected with the virus have gotten it from contact with a diseased bird.

Health authorities hoped that their investigation would disclose a common contact among the seven infected people. So far, that contact has not been found.

At this point, health officials say they cannot rule out that the seven infected family members passed the virus to each other.

Scientists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have joined their WHO colleagues on the scene to continue the probe.

Unless they can find a connection among all seven family members with one or more diseased birds, they say they may be forced to conclude that a mutation has occurred.

Some scientists have said that if the disease can be transmitted easily among humans, the resulting pandemic could be catastrophic, resulting in millions of fatalities worldwide.

At least 115 of the 208 people known to be infected with the bird flu have died in the last three years, mainly in Asia.




    
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Just think of the thousands of people that have been moving back and forth. Are the spreading the virus????

 

Indonesians Ignore Warnings About Volcano

By CHRIS BRUMMITT, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 11 minutes ago

MOUNT MERAPI, Indonesia - Thousands of villagers fed up with crowded camps have returned to their homes on the slopes of Indonesia's erupting Mount Merapi, ignoring warnings that the peak remains highly dangerous, an official said Thursday.

 

A camp that held some 2,500 people earlier this week was empty Thursday after a mass departure of refugees, said Insan, an official at the shelter in a government building on the lower slopes of the mountain.

"They said it was like living in a prison," said Insan, who like many Indonesians goes by a single name. "We tried to keep them entertained, but then rumors started spreading that their houses were being looted."

The 9,800-foot volcano has been shooting out lava and deadly clouds of hot ash and debris for several weeks. It has been rocked by a series of spectacular eruptions since Saturday, with the most recent occurring Wednesday.

The main danger at present is clouds of hot ash, debris and gas that surge down the mountainside when the volcano becomes active.

But scientists warned that a 3-million-cubic-yard lava dome that has built up in recent weeks was still perched on the crater and could collapse.

"There is still a possibility of a bigger eruption," said the area's chief vulcanologist, Ratdomopurbo. "We have to watch out for the pattern of the volcano's activities."

The mountain was relatively calm through most of Thursday, with just three or four minor bursts of hot ash, said Sugiono, a local monitor. A late afternoon rock and ash slide extended about 1 1/2 miles down the mountainside, he said.

There have been no reports of casualties or property damage.

It was not clear how many of the roughly 5,000 people initially evacuated from dangerous areas near the crater remained in shelters, including schools, mosques and government offices.

Most of those who left were farmers, wanting to return home to tend to crops and animals. They said camp life was boring and uncomfortable, even though food and doctors were on hand.

Mount Merapi, which translates as "Fire Mountain," has erupted scores of time over the last 200 years, often with deadly results. It is one of the world's most active volcanoes.

In 1994, 60 people were killed by a searing gas cloud, while in 1930, more than a dozen villages were incinerated, leaving 1,300 dead.

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Volcanic activity intensifies in central Java

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Volcanic activity intensifies in central Java

Volcanic activity on Mount Merapi in central Java intensified over the weekend, with ash, gas and rock fragments spewing from its crater. Experts now believe the volcano is in the early stages of an eruption; more than 4,500 people living near to the crater have been moved to emergency shelters, although a small number of farmers are refusing to move.

Plan Staff in Indonesia get ready to help as lava flows from volcano

The communities working with Plan in central Java are around 100km from Mount Merapi. It is therefore unlikely that Plan-supported communities will be directly affected by any eruption. Plan Indonesia will however provide assistance in rescue centres, focusing on children and women.

Plan staff have visited government evacuation centres and assessed women's and children's needs in preparation for an eruption.

Molten lava last week started to flow from the crater, and the Indonesian government has set up a four-kilometre-wide exclusion zone around the volcano. Up to 80,000 people who live near the volcano may be ordered to leave their homes if the government orders an evacuation.

Plan staff have contacted the government's Disaster Response Unit and other non-governmental organisations working in the area. They have also visited all the areas surrounding the volcano, and visited the government's evacuation centres in Magelang and Klaten. Staff are in touch with the Department of Psychology of Gajah Mada University in Java, to discuss the psycho-social impact of the current events on children and women.

The two areas most likely to be affected by an eruption - Sleman and Magelang - are prepared and organised, and evacuation facilities are ready to take people. However there are concerns over the centres' ability to handle large numbers of evacuees in a worst-case scenario.

In Magelang five evacuee centres have been opened but are not yet fully functional. A permanent centre in Tanjung is currently housing about 800 people but is in urgent need of additional toilets, milk for children, underwear for women, blankets, children's books and toys. In Sleman, evacuation routes have been prepared and seven sites identified as potential evacuation centres. In Klaten, 2,200 people have already moved to three evacuation centres - and this figure is expected to rise sharply. Supplies are already low - particularly fresh water, which must be transported into the area.

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Originally posted by Bumpman2 Bumpman2 wrote:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aJV0jtu5bMiY&refer=top_world_news
 
World Health Organization Expands Team Probing Bird Flu Cluster
May 18 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization sent two officials to Indonesia's North Sumatra province to investigate the largest cluster of human bird flu cases, as a government official said sick animals may have been involved.
 
Medical epidemiologists Thomas Grein and Timothy Uyeki joined an investigative team in the province today, said Sari Setiogi, a WHO spokeswoman in Jakarta. "Hopefully the two people heading to North Sumatra today can contribute and identify the source,'' Setiogi said.
 
Infected animals increase the risk of human infection and create opportunities for the virus to mutate into a pandemic form. Fatalities from H5N1 this year have surpassed 2005 levels as the virus spread to more than 30 countries on three continents.
 
Pigs, chickens and ducks are raised by about half the 400 households in the North Sumatran village of Kubu Sembilang, where some of the infected people lived.
 
Waterfowl are the natural hosts of avian influenza. Pigs are susceptible to both human and avian strains and are considered a potential "mixing bowl'' of flu viruses.
 
Ten of 11 pigs in the district where the infected people lived were found to have avian flu antibodies in their blood, Apriantono told reporters in Jakarta today.
 
The presence of antibodies is an indication of an existing or previous infection. Antibodies were also found in chickens and ducks by a national laboratory in Bogor, and confirmatory tests on the animal samples are underway, Apriantono said. "As soon as we know it's positive, these animals should be culled,'' he said.
 
Major Concern
 
"If the virus is in pigs, that would be a major concern,'' Ton Schat, a professor of virology and immunology at Cornell University, said in an interview today.
 
Previous testing on farm animals surrounding the patients' homes had shown no evidence of avian flu, raising concern that the virus may have been passed from one person to another.
 
At this stage, the possibility of human-to-human transmission cannot be ruled out, the WHO's Setiogi said.
 
Human-to-human transmission would suggest the virus had undergone genetic changes making it more contagious to people. Avian flu has the potential of sparking a pandemic if it spreads easily among people.
 
"It is certainly alarming,'' said Dick Thompson, a WHO spokesman in Geneva. "This is the largest H5N1 cluster we have seen. There are obviously important questions that we need answered. But right now it is too early in the investigation to say anything definitive.''
 
Yesterday, three members of the family said they were feeling sick, with symptoms including headache and cough.in Singapore at  j.gale@bloomberg.net
 
A little backgound on Agriculture Minister Anton Apriyantono his professional conduct seems to be highly unethical / irrisponsible.

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Indonesia's great bird flu conspiracy
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?we_cat=9&art_id=3857&sid=5091911&con_type=1&d_str=20051021

Officials have put the nation at risk by covering up an epidemic for two years to protect farmers, writes Alan Sipress


Friday, October 21, 2005
 
Officials have put the nation at risk by covering up an epidemic for two years to protect farmers, writes Alan Sipress ....
 
In an interview with The Washington Post this spring, Tri Satya Putri Naipospos, Indonesia's national director of animal health, first disclosed that officials had known chickens were dying from bird flu since the middle of 2003, but kept this secret until last year because of lobbying by the poultry industry.

She also revealed that the government had not set aside any money this year to vaccinate poultry against the virus, though officials had trumpeted this as the centerpiece of their strategy to contain the disease.

Naipospos repeated her allegations late last month, but this time in Indonesian in an interview with the influential local newspaper Kompas.

A day after the article was published, the Agriculture Ministry fired her.

UN officials complained that her dismissal has set back efforts to fight the virus, faulting the government for ousting what they call its most respected animal health expert at the height of a crisis.

Naipospos alleged that bird flu has never been a priority in the Agriculture Ministry. "They could not see the potential threat until there was an actual threat," she said in an interview with The Post last week. "I talked to the minister about it many times. He said a disease outbreak is not a national emergency, not a disaster."

Agriculture Minister Anton Apriyantono said the Indonesian government considers bird flu a matter of great concern. Every morning, he said, he files a report with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono on efforts to battle the disease.

"That means our attention is very high on how to address this problem," the minister said during an interview in his office.

 
"The thing is, we don't want to publicize too much about bird flu because of the effect on our farms. Prices have dropped very drastically."

Apriyantono said he fired Naipospos because he was not happy with her handling of bird flu and her working relationship with top ministry officials.

When the virus first appeared in Indonesia in the summer of 2003, government officials were divided over whether the sudden death of hens on a commercial farm on Java island was caused by bird flu or a less virulent ailment, Newcastle disease.

Nidom, a professor at Indonesia's Airlangga University, was called in. Within two months, he said his laboratory research had determined that the ailment was indeed bird flu, and was genetically related to a strain found seven years earlier in southern China.

But the owners of major poultry companies, who have personal ties to senior Agriculture Ministry officials, insisted that any containment efforts be done secretly, Naipospos recalled.

These eight farming conglomerates, which handle 60 percent of the country's poultry, feared that publicity would harm sales of chicken and eggs. Offering new details in her interview last week, Naipospos said owners even lobbied Indonesia's president at the time, Megawati Sukarnoputri.

 
"They said: `It's better to do it with confidentiality. Do a hidden, silent operation'," Naipospos recounted.
 
"I said, `It won't work if you do a silent operation. This is a disease that can't be hidden. It's too risky'."

In late January 2004, Nidom broke ranks and announced his findings to the Indonesian media. A day later, the Agriculture Ministry confirmed the bird flu outbreak. But the disease had already spread across Java and on to Bali and Sumatra islands.

"It was too late. The virus was everywhere," Nidom recalled.

Last fall, with human cases mounting in Vietnam and Thailand, Nidom was growing increasingly nervous about the prospect of the epidemic spreading to Indonesians.

 
He arranged an October conference at his university to examine bird flu and invited four of the world's premier influenza researchers from the United States, Japan, Hong Kong and mainland China.

Shortly before its scheduled start, a senior agriculture official contacted the head of Nidom's institute and demanded that foreign participants and all media be banned, according to Yoes Prijatna Dachlan, chairman of the university's Tropical Disease Center. Dachlan rejected the conditions and canceled the gathering.

 
Nidom said officials threatened to have police break up the conference if it proceeded.

Apriyantono said in the interview that he was unfamiliar with the incident, but that Indonesia was open to foreign researchers. Through this summer, avian flu continued to spread, often unreported, and containment efforts remained unfunded.

 
The disease reached two-thirds of the country's provinces. Then in July, a man and his two daughters in an affluent Jakarta suburb died of respiratory disease. The father tested positive as the country's first bird flu victim. Health investigators concluded that his daughters likely died of the same cause.

Responding to public anxiety, Apriyantono went on television to oversee the culling of several dozen pigs and ducks on a farm 15 kilometers away.

But when the cameras left, the campaign stalled. Officials backed away from a vow to kill about 200 swine in the immediate area. Thousands of chickens, identified by health experts as the leading suspects in the outbreak, escaped slaughter.

As suspected human cases mounted last month, government officials said they would take extraordinary measures. Apriyantono announced that he was changing course and would order a mass slaughter of poultry in any area declared highly infected.

But, one month later, Apriyantono acknowledged that he had yet to define such an area. As a result, he has now directed that culling be limited to the specific property where an infection is detected and that neighboring birds be spared.

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See below regarding the reference to three family members feeling sick yesterday.  It is not entirely clear to me whether these are new cases or references to previous cases.
 
 
World Health Organization Expands Team Probing Bird Flu Cluster
May 18 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization sent two officials to Indonesia's North Sumatra province to investigate the largest cluster of human bird flu cases, as a government official said sick animals may have been involved.
Medical epidemiologists Thomas Grein and Timothy Uyeki joined an investigative team in the province today, said Sari Setiogi, a WHO spokeswoman in Jakarta. The H5N1 avian influenza strain infected as many as eight members of a family in the past month. It may also have been in farm animals near their homes, Agriculture Minister Anton Apriantono said today.
``Hopefully the two people heading to North Sumatra today can contribute and identify the source,'' Setiogi said.
Infected animals increase the risk of human infection and create opportunities for the virus to mutate into a pandemic form. Fatalities from H5N1 this year have surpassed 2005 levels as the virus spread to more than 30 countries on three continents.
Pigs, chickens and ducks are raised by about half the 400 households in the North Sumatran village of Kubu Sembilang, where some of the infected people lived. Waterfowl are the natural hosts of avian influenza. Pigs are susceptible to both human and avian strains and are considered a potential ``mixing bowl'' of flu viruses.
Ten of 11 pigs in the district where the infected people lived were found to have avian flu antibodies in their blood, Apriantono told reporters in Jakarta today.
The presence of antibodies is an indication of an existing or previous infection. Antibodies were also found in chickens and ducks by a national laboratory in Bogor, and confirmatory tests on the animal samples are underway, Apriantono said.
``As soon as we know it's positive, these animals should be culled,'' he said.
`Major Concern'
``If the virus is in pigs, that would be a major concern,'' Ton Schat, a professor of virology and immunology at Cornell University, said in an interview today.
Previous testing on farm animals surrounding the patients' homes had shown no evidence of avian flu, raising concern that the virus may have been passed from one person to another.
At this stage, the possibility of human-to-human transmission cannot be ruled out, the WHO's Setiogi said.
Human-to-human transmission would suggest the virus had undergone genetic changes making it more contagious to people. Avian flu has the potential of sparking a pandemic if it spreads easily among people.
``It is certainly alarming,'' said Dick Thompson, a WHO spokesman in Geneva. ``This is the largest H5N1 cluster we have seen. There are obviously important questions that we need answered. But right now it is too early in the investigation to say anything definitive.''
Yesterday, three members of the family said they were feeling sick, with symptoms including headache and cough.
At least 115 of the 208 people known to be infected with the bird flu have died, the WHO said on its Web site May 12. The tally doesn't include six cases, five of which were fatal, in North Sumatra and an unrelated fatality in East Java confirmed by the WHO yesterday.

 
To contact the reporter on this story:  Jason Gale in Singapore at  j.gale@bloomberg.net
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Jhetta, you cited a commentary from Dr. Niman indicating that three more cases in the Medan cluster, for a total of nine. The WHO report posted very recently this morning makes no mention of this, and suggests that this cluster is contained. What's the source for information on the other three cases? And what's your thinking on the discrepancy?
 
I think it is something we should follow to confirm or dismiss.  Dr Niman does not cite a source for this info.
 
WHO's report also failed to mention the recent test results for the positive H5N1 infected pigs as a "possible" source of infection. As expected they need to confirm this first; most likely by examining the seqences of each for similarities.
 
See Quote from article "JAKARTA, May 18 (Reuters) - Pigs have tested positive for bird flu in the same village on Indonesia's Sumatra Island where five people have been confirmed infected with the H5N1 avian influenza virus, a minister said on Thursday. " http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/JAK28830.htm
 
As would be expected there is a lag in the information the WHO releases and they are careful to document and back up information they release.  I am sure they have much to investigate before they can responsibly release any information to the public.
 
This is to be expected and is warranted.
 
See also INTERVIEW-Indonesia promises no bird flu cover-up
 
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WHO officials in Jakarta and Geneva have said there is no immediate indication of human-to-human transmission in the Sumatra cluster.

Shortly after the interview with Kandun, Agriculture Minister Anton Apriyantono said that pigs in the family's village had tested positive for bird flu but the results needed to be reconfirmed.

The family slaughtered animals for a barbeque feast in late April before the outbreak in Kubu Simbelang village where pigs and chickens live near homes and cats and dogs roam freely. Jhetta: Note all of these animals can be intected with H5N1...also a few threads on this site;report that the family ate pork and chicken at this meal.

"We are expanding the investigation. We are going to visit other places, including the markets. We have to check the places where (the victims) were before they fell sick," he said, adding international health experts have joined the probe.

"Wherever there is poultry, there is a potential. Where in Indonesia can you find a place with no poultry on your left and right?" said Kandun, whose post puts him on the frontline of the bird flu battle in Indonesia.

The H5N1 virus has been detected among poultry in almost all of the country's 33 provinces.

There are many poultry farms in the middle of crowded Indonesian residential areas. Around 30 percent of the country's more than one billion chickens are backyard fowl.

Kandun said leaders at all levels had to step up efforts to raise awareness among the public, including having a more robust campaign on the dangers of bird flu.

"There are so many people who do not know what has happened. Even the educated do not know the situation is like a timebomb," Kandun said, adding his nephew laughed when told his pet birds could carry the disease
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Jhetta, you cited a commentary from Dr. Niman indicating that three more cases in the Medan cluster, for a total of nine. The WHO report posted very recently this morning makes no mention of this, and suggests that this cluster is contained. What's the source for information on the other three cases? And what's your thinking on the discrepancy?
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Fluprepper posted this very good article in another thread it is an important article
 
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H5N1 spread among people not ruled out in Indonesia
17 May 2006 10:40:08 GMT
Source: Reuters
 
HONG KONG, May 17 (Reuters) - Health experts are investigating how several members of a family in Indonesia's North Sumatra province contracted the H5N1 bird flu virus and are not ruling out the possibility of human-to-human transmission.

Clusters of human infections are worrying as they indicate that the virus, which has killed 115 people worldwide since late 2003, might be mutating into a form that is easily transmissible among humans. That, experts say, could spark a pandemic in which millions might die.

Jhetta see the imformation in the table below... H5N1 infections in pigs which are belived to facilitate H2H have been left uncheckd for a lenthy periods of time. Note this has also been the case with Poultry. Read the Report in 2005 by THE WASHINGTON POST http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8162

Samples taken from six members of the family were sent to a WHO-affiliated laboratory in Hong Kong and five tested positive for H5N1. Results of the sixth were still pending.

According to the World Health Organisation and experts familiar with the case, the family -- which raised a small number of pigs and had chickens, ducks and geese in the neighbourhood -- held a barbecue on April 29 when they ate pork and chicken.

The first person to fall ill was a 37-year-old woman, and two of her sons, her brother, sister, niece and nephew later fell sick. Except for the woman's brother, everyone has since died.
 
Jetta: From this initial group 6 died five tested postitive with one man who tested positive still living.

Contrary to earlier reports from the Indonesian government that eight members of the family were infected, the WHO says the eighth person, a woman, had fever for only a day and is now well. Local tests showed she was not infected with H5N1.

Samples taken from 11 pigs, four geese, four ducks and an unspecified number of chickens in Kubu Simbelang village in Karo regency, where the family lived, have also turned up negative for H5N1, but experts are not ruling anything out.
 
Jhetta these 11 pigs have been retested by a reliable lab and 10 our of the 11 were confirmed positive for H5N1. Tests show Sumatra pigs carry bird flu virus-minister http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/JAK28830.htm

"The possibility that they may have been infected by the same source is still there," said Sari Setiogi, the WHO spokeswoman in Indonesia. More animal samples will be collected for local tests.

CLUSTERS DRAW SUSPICION

"Any time we have a cluster, it raises the suspicion that human-to-human transmission may have occurred. We don't rule out either way ... it is too early to make any conclusion because investigations are still going on," Setiogi said.

More than 15 people attended the barbecue, but there were no signs of any spread beyond this cluster of seven, she said.
 

There have been a few other probable cases of human-to-human transmission of the virus in Hong Kong and Thailand in the past, possibly due to prolonged and very close contact, although these have never spread beyond the initial clusters.

But Indonesia's Health Ministry said the cluster in Sumatra was not a case of human-to-human transmission.

"The spread was through risk factors from poultry or other animals. There is no proof of human-to-human," Nyoman Kandun, director-general of disease control, told Reuters.

But an Indonesian agriculture official who declined to be identified said animal tests have not shed any light.

"There is a big question mark. Blood samples from all kinds of animals from chickens, ducks, geese, birds, pigs, cats and do gs turned out negative so far. Manure has also been checked. The result is negative," the Jakarta-based official said.
 
Jhetta: Tests show Sumatra pigs carry bird flu virus-minister http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/JAK28830.htm

In Hong Kong, microbiologists tasked with decoding the genomic sequence of the six virus samples cautioned against making any quick conclusion either way.
 
Jhetta: The scope of host spieces examined needs to be expanded... I agree with this the microbiologist on a certain level and belive Dr. Niman has a point in this recent article ~ Indonsian H5N1 Testing Raises Pandemic Concerns (05/18/06)

Guan Yi, who heads the laboratory decoding the samples, said the long time lag of nine days between the first and last victims showing symptoms of the disease was unusual.
 
Jhetta: He is sending a message here.

The 37-year-old woman fell ill on April 27, while one of her sons and her sister -- the last ones to fall sick -- felt the first symptoms on May 5. The WHO recommends that an incubation period of seven days be used for field investigations.
 
Jhetta: The incubation period is rarely up to 21 days.

"If they were all infected by the same source, their onset time (of illness) would have been closer, but that is not the case ... The later cases may involve the possibility of human-to-human transmission," Guan told Reuters.
 

"They may have infected one another ... but we have no evidence. This needs to be investigated by the locals."

Jhetta: Based on past actions and todays events I fear this is a deadly mistake... Read the Report in 2005 by THE WASHINGTON POST
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8162

Some reports say chicken manure used as fertiliser might be the link. Infected birds can excrete large amounts of the virus and birds and people can be infected this way.

"This could be one likely infection source," Guan added.

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Jhetta: Complete testing of all possible sources including the water supply need to be addressed.  The sequences from the family should be closely examined and "all of the animals" in the area should be tested by a competent lab and those with positive results should be tested for similar sequences to the human infections.  Laboratory test based on those sequences should begin immediately if the cluster proves to be sustained.
 
All future illness should be tested for H5N1 and the sequences should be examined. 
 
I think they should start testing the water supply as well!
 
Take a look at these test results, evidence that H5N1 in pigs has been left unchecked in this case since at least May 25th of 2005. Notice that the pigs did not show symptoms and they were not treated or culled.
 
How can we possibly trust the locals to deal with this effectively! /End Jhetta
 
HIGHLY PATHOGENIC AVIAN INFLUENZA IN INDONESIA
Follow-up report No. 8 (infection detected in pigs or sui)

Information received on 23 May 2005 from Prof. H.R. Wasito, Director General of Livestock Services, Department of Agriculture, Jakarta:

End of previous report period: 6 April 2005 (see Disease Information, 18 [14], 102, dated 8 April 2005).

End of this report period: 23 May 2005.

Precise identification of agent : highly pathogenic avian influenza virus subtype H5N1.

Three surveys were conducted in Tangerang district, Banten province, using purposive and pooled sampling. A total of 187 samples were taken during the surveys.

- The first survey was conducted on 23 February 2005 in a farm in Babat village, Legok subdistrict, where 5 out of 10 nasal swabs were positive and the subtype involved was identified as H5N1.

- As a follow-up, the second survey was conducted on 14 April 2005 in Rancaiyuh village, Panongan subdistrict, where 6 out of 10 nasal swabs taken from 31 pigs over 5 months old were positive for H5N1.

- The third survey was on 26 April 2005 in Babat village, Legok subdistrict, where 1 out of 6 nasal swabs taken from 6 pigs over 1 year old was positive for H5N1.

Not a single pig has shown clinical signs of avian infuenza.

Details of outbreaks:

First administrative division Lower administrative division Type of epide-miolo-gical unit Name of the location Date of start of the outbreak Spe-cies Number of animals in the outbreaks
susceptible cases deaths destroyed slaugh-tered
Jawa Barat(1) Banten province village Legok subdistrict 24 Feb. 2005 sui 897 6* 0 0 ...
Jawa Barat(1) Banten province village Panongan subdistrict 14 April 2005 sui 823 6* 0 0 ...

(1) West Java

* infected animals without clinical signs

Diagnosis:

Laboratories where diagnosis was made Species examined Diagnostic tests used Date Results
Faculty of medicine, Airlangga University sui RT-PCR(1) 7 March 2005 H5N1
Research Institute for Veterinary Science, Bogor sui agar-gel precipitation test, RT-PCR(1) and sequencing analysis 28 April 2005 H5N1
Disease Investigation Centre Region I-VII sui haemagglutination inhibition test 2 May 2005 H5N1

Further investigations have been made in seven provinces (Central Java, West Java, West Kalimantan, South Sulawesi, Bali, Riau and North Sumatra). The results of the serological testing of 250 samples (sera and swabs) were all negative.

Source of outbreaks or origin of infection: these pig farms are adjacent to backyard chicken farms. The infection in pigs was due to contamination with chicken manure.

Control measures

A. Undertaken:

- quarantine;

- movement control inside the country;

- disinfection of infected premises/establishment(s).

B. To be undertaken: partial stamping out.

Treatment of affected animals: no.

Vaccination prohibited: no

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Joe, there may not be a Washington ranch catering to bestiality tourism.   But like it or not, sex with animals is pretty common, if not celebrated, worldwide. Look around on the internet, or ask around among friends who grew up on farms. Edward Albee even wrote a play about it: The Goat, or Who is Sylvia. I understand from former farmboy friends that sheep are preferred to pigs, but that sex with pigs is hardly out of the question.

I'm not advocating this, mind you. I also don't advocate sneezing in people's faces. But both happen, and both are vectors of disease.
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YOGYAKARTA, Indonesia After further investigation, World Health Organization officials said Thursday that the five avian flu deaths confirmed this week on Sumatra were probably not a result of human-to-human infection and did not suggest that the virus had mutated into a more deadly form.
Five family members were confirmed dead from the H5N1 strain of avian influenza by the World Heath Organization on Wednesday, the largest such cluster yet recorded. A sixth family member died of flu-like symptoms but was not tested for the virus.
"We will likely never know the cause of her infection," Maria Cheng, a World Health Organization spokesperson, said Thursday.
Groupings like the one in Kubu Sembilang village in northern Sumatra worry health officials because they indicate the virus may have been transmitted between humans.
Health officials have long feared such a mutation could trigger a worldwide pandemic capable of killing millions.
Gina Samaan, a field epidemiologist for the World Health Organization in Kubu Sembilang investigating the recent cluster, said the number of deaths raised eyebrows but that so far it is similar to other outbreaks in Indonesia, which were caused by close contact with infected poultry.
"Current evidence doesn't suggest at all that the virus was passed between humans," she said in a telephone interview. "This is quite similar to other clusters found earlier in Indonesia in the sense of how people were infected."
The Sumatran outbreak does not appear to be spreading, which officials said was encouraging. Investigators are scouring the village to determine why only this particular family had caught the disease.
"It could be that they were near the source of the infection," Samaan said. "It could also be related to the dosage they received from the sick poultry, or it could be that there is something about this family that makes them more susceptible to the virus than other families."
Indonesia's death toll has now reached 30, second only to Vietnam, which has recorded 42. Indonesia, however, has been recording bird flu deaths at a much higher rate than any other country in recent months.
The World Health Organization lab in Hong Kong also confirmed a death related to bird fly in Surabaja, eastern Java, on Thursday. And local tests indicate that a young boy in the remote eastern province of Papua who died recently also had bird flu.
The latest fatalities prompted the Indonesian president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, to ask the international community Thursday for additional financial and technical support to help terminate the spread of the disease.
The government has been hesitant to conduct mass culls, a regular practice in other Asian countries, because it is unable to compensate farmers.
Lack of public health education most likely accounts for Indonesia's high fatality rate, health officials say. In April, Indonesian bird flu patients reported their symptoms an average of five days after they began, making it difficult for physicians to prevent fatalities.
"It is an issue of how quickly people report their symptoms," Samaan said. "But we believe health care awareness is increasing. Doctors and nurses are becoming more familiar with the disease."
Jakarta, where the majority of the Indonesian deaths have occurred, all major hospitals and even smaller health clinics have plastered bright orange-and-yellow posters along their walls detailing bird flu symptoms and treatments. Booklets have also been distributed to far-flung villages throughout the country.
In the tiny village of Taman Jaya on Java's southwestern tip, villagers recently examined an informational packet form the Health Ministry, while chickens ran freely in the front door, through the kitchen, and out the back door.
A 6th Egyptian death
A 75-year-old woman died of bird flu in Egypt on Thursday, the sixth death from the disease in that country, Reuters reported from Cairo, citing John Jabbour, a World Health Organization official.
Jabbour said the woman was from Minya in southern Egypt. She had been in contact with infected poultry, he said, quoting information from the Egyptian authorities.
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Originally posted by fiddlerdave2 fiddlerdave2 wrote:

In many parts of the world, closer physical relationships with animals are not uncommon.  With no heat, sleeping with animals is preferable to being cold, sex with animals of all kinds is practiced (Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran did not include cleansing instructions before prayers after having sex with chickens as strictly theoretical practice), suckling etc are practiced without particular notice.  A ranch in Washington state in the USA was dedicated to visitors to have sex with animals - a man recently died there after hemmoraghing anally after sex with a horse.  Sex with pigs is practiced as well.


I do not believe this report.  There are laws in all states that make this kind of behavior illegal, and I am certain that Washington is no exception.  Sure, there are people who are perverted all over the world, but there is no possibility of a ranch like that existing in Washington.
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Hi NZer, I'm really pleased to see you back with us again!. 
 
I was about to post about the pigs.  Its bad news, especially if they can carry it without showing symptoms.  Pigs will be fed dead chickens, chicken entrails etc.   They will soon have it in the Far East, even if they haven't already.
Pigs in the developed world will presumably be next.  I think we're all going to have to be completely veggie before long.  Shame, I quite like pork.  Beth
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Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says his country faces a formidable challenge in containing the spread of bird flu.

His comments come after the World Health Organisation (WHO) this week confirmed the deaths of a further five Indonesians.

Nineteen Indonesians have died from avian influenza since January this year.

The latest deaths of four members of one family in Northern Sumatra have prompted concerns that not enough is being done to curb the virus' spread in the world's fourth most populous nation.

Speaking at a regional conference of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation, President Yudhoyono called on delegates to lobby the international community for full financial and technical support in fighting the virus.

The government has said it can't afford the mass culls of poultry recommended to halt the spread of infection.

Since late 2003, bird flu has killed 115 people, mostly in Asia.

Experts fear the virus may mutate into a form that can pass easily between humans, sparking a pandemic.

ABC Asia Pacific TV / Radio Australia

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Originally posted by NZ er NZ er wrote:

Dr Niman, now that the pigs have tested positive(in my post just above yours) positive for what exactly.. as seen in paragraph 7? Is it H5N1 or something else maybe?


Tests show Sumatra pigs carry bird flu virus

JAKARTA, May 18 (Reuters) - Pigs have tested positive for bird flu in the same village on Indonesia's Sumatra island where five people have been confirmed infected with the H5N1 avian influenza virus, a minister said on Thursday.
The case involving up to seven family members, six of whom have died, has raised alarm around the world because authorities cannot rule out human-to-human transmission.
But the World Health Organisation and Indonesian health officials had been frustrated by the lack of evidence pointing to a source of the virus, usually infected poultry.
The WHO confirmed on Wednesday that five members of the family had contracted H5N1 and tests on a sixth were pending.
Officials had said earlier that on-the-spot testing of various animals living around Kubu Simbelang village in North Sumatra province had given negative results for avian influenza.
However, Agriculture Minister Anton Apriyantono told reporters on Thursday the pig samples from the village had been brought to a leading animal research centre on Java island, and scientists there found a positive result for bird flu.
"After we brought them to Bogor, the serology test found positive results. From 11 pig samples, 10 are positive. Reconfirmation testings are still underway," he said, but did not specify the H5N1 virus.
Bogor is a West Java city where a veterinarian institute is located.
Clusters of human infections are worrying because they indicate that the virus might be mutating into a form that is easily transmissible among humans. That, experts say, could spark a pandemic in which millions might die.
For the moment, the virus is mainly a disease in birds and is hard for humans to catch.
The minister's comments are also likely to concern health officials. Pigs can act as mixing vessels in which human and bird flu viruses can swap genes, leading to a strain that can easily infect people and pass from person to person.
At least 30 people have died of bird flu in Indonesia, the second highest toll of any country. More than half that number have died this year.
Not including the latest WHO confirmed cases in Indonesia, the disease has killed 115 people worldwide, the majority in east Asia, since reappearing in 2003. Virtually all the victims caught the disease from poultry.
The H5N1 virus is endemic in much of Indonesia.
Separately, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, speaking at a U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization meeting, called on the international community to provide financial and technical support to fight bird flu.
"This is a formidable challenge not only because of its threat of a human pandemic that can decimate whole populations, but also because of its adverse effects on food security and poverty alleviation," Yudhoyono said.
    
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Dr Niman, now that the pigs have tested positive(in my post just above yours) positive for what exactly.. as seen in paragraph 7? Is it H5N1 or something else maybe?
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The pigs in area have now tested positive:
 
 
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Read article on Indonesia in the       chinapost.com.tw            today.

Show that people got sick up to 9 days apart.  not from one chicken or something. Looks pretty sad.
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Originally posted by oknut oknut wrote:

I agree with you gettingready and with fiddlerdave2, as usual.

My gut tells me that in most nations, the plan for managing news is at least as important to them as any pandemic plan they've compiled.

We will be managed. It's amazing that the people on this site manage to dig up as much information as they do.

I am so grateful to each of you for providing a place where I can get a glimpse of what's happening.
 
So am I!!! You guys/gals are amazing!
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The WHO is getting behind, again, in its tabulation of cases. New cases in Egypt, Romania, and Indonesia need to be confirmed and listed. At this rate we are almost sure to be one or two weeks behind when/if it starts running away.     
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I agree with you gettingready and with fiddlerdave2, as usual.

My gut tells me that in most nations, the plan for managing news is at least as important to them as any pandemic plan they've compiled.

We will be managed. It's amazing that the people on this site manage to dig up as much information as they do.

I am so grateful to each of you for providing a place where I can get a glimpse of what's happening.
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.....and you're probably right, fiddlerdave2 about not wanting anyone to interfere with the "carefully prepared presentations."  And the plot thickens........Unhappy
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