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Preparing for Disruption of Food Supply - Event Date: May 16 2006

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    Posted: May 16 2006 at 2:26pm
Here is an article from my blog that I thought I would share here as well. I think that it is very relevant to this discussion:
 
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What would happen to our food supplies if there was a pandemic and/or large-scale disaster?
During a pandemic, communities could be quarantined - which would mean no one and nothing could travel in or out of the affected area. There could also be disruption of the supply chain in areas where earthquakes, hurricanes, floods or tornados have crippled or disrupted transportation.
In either scenario, grocery stores and pharmacies would be out of products in a matter of hours. Everyone living in the area would depend on their own emergency preparedness for the duration of the quarantine or shortage.
This might only be the beginning, in case of a pandemic. People who work in the food and farming industries would not be able to go to work even if they were healthy.
Healthy workers might stay home even in areas that were not quarantined to prevent infecting their families.
That means crops would not be planted and those that were already planted would not be fertilized and harvested. Foods that were already harvested would spoil because there would be no place to have them canned or preserved.
This would mean dramatic shortages of food for at least a year until the next harvest season.

Steps You Can Take To Be Better Prepared:

  1. Store now the kind of food you like to eat. Follow the plan we have outlined in other articles to help you. If you have decided to store food for a very limited time period you may want to extend that time to at least several months.
  2. Store vegetable seeds and purchase a good gardening book. You can grow many vegetables in container gardens on patios or balconies. Plant in flowerpots or even 5 gallon buckets that have drainage holes poked in the bottom. Consider teaming up with a friend or group of friends and have each family plant 1 or 2 crops and share. Believe me 6 zucchini plants will easily feed several families.
  3. Plant fruit trees, bushes, and plants. Trees may take years to bear fruit but strawberries and some other berries will produce the first year. If you have limited space plant fruit you enjoy both fresh and canned as well as in pies or cobblers. Some people may love fresh peaches but not canned. Apples, for example, are great fresh and can be canned for applesauce or baked into a cake, pie or cobbler. Evaluate the vegetable you plant in the same way. Tomatoes for example, can be eaten fresh or cooked and are easy to can. Zucchini, on the other hand, is great fresh, cooked and baked into breads and cake but is difficult to can without it turning to mush. Many fruits and vegetables can be canned or frozen but the cost of electricity for more than one freezer is not a good use of resources. Frozen foods will also have to be eaten or cooked quickly in a prolonged power outage.
  4. Purchase the equipment necessary to preserve your own food - such as a canner. It worked for grandma, it will work for you, too. A good canning book can help you decide what you may need to purchase. Canning vegetables and meat will require a pressure cooker. These items can be pricey when you are starting from scratch so consider purchasing them with your extended family or with a close friend.
  5. Purchase canning jars, and/or lids and rings to go with the jars you already have. Yes, they still sell them. Be sure to add pectin, salt, lemon juice and extra sugar to your storage list for use in canning. Look at garage sales for canning jars and water-bath-canners, but never buy a used pressure cooker.
  6. Consider purchasing a food drier. Drying fruit leather, fruit rings, and vegetables (great for use in soups and stews) is really very simple. This can also be accomplished by drying produce on a screen in the sun. Get a good book to guide you.
Being self-reliant with a few vegies and fruits in your garden can be an enjoyable and healthy solution to the challenge of emergency preparedness. Nobody wants to be caught up in a pandemic quarantine, but with government officials talking openly about quarantine scenarios, it might be a good time to consider your options.

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Quote People who work in the food and farming industries would not be able to go to work even if they were healthy. Healthy workers might stay home even in areas that were not quarantined to prevent infecting their families.
That means crops would not be planted and those that were already planted would not be fertilized and harvested.
 
I'm confused. Why wouldn't a healthy farmer be able to plant, fertilize and harvest crops on his farm? It seems like an ideal "job" that allows him to stay in isolation from others during a pandemic and still earn a living.
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I think her point is that the larger population can't really count on farmers getting back into volume production of food because farmers can't risk being around all of the staff that would be necessary to do all of that planting and harvesting.  Individual farmers can surely plant some crops, but that is not going to be nearly enough to feed more than their family, friends and perhaps a few others. 
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If you are talking about small vegetable or dairy farmers I agree.
 
However, I doubt grain farmers on the prairies have much "staff". They have some pretty pricey farm equipment which allows them to plant acres of grain.
 
It's quite a sight to drive on the prairies and see the massive fields of wheat and other crops.


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Folks you have to remember that most of the "family run" farms are gone.  What we have are mostly big companies that lease out the land to many growers that then harvest and take to the company grain soles.

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Originally posted by Irene Irene wrote:

If you are talking about small vegetable or dairy farmers I agree.
 
However, I doubt grain farmers on the prairies have much "staff". They have some pretty pricey farm equipment which allows them to plant acres of grain.
 
It's quite a sight to drive on the prairies and see the massive fields of wheat and other crops.
 
I agree with you that very automated operations might not require much human contact.  They would, however, require tremendous amounts of fuel, which may not be available!
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Originally posted by Bumpman2 Bumpman2 wrote:

I agree with you that very automated operations might not require much human contact.  They would, however, require tremendous amounts of fuel, which may not be available!
 
I'm in Canada. The Canadian prairie provinces are located right beside Alberta, our big oil producing province. Smile


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I know this figure sound ridiculous, but I was researching an article and came across the reference that America is losing 300 small farmers a day.

I didn't believe it, until I finished researching my article.  It's true.  The mega-farm-corporation monopoly has got us all by the short-hairs. If they fail, we fail, it's that simple.

There are many other possible "gotcha's" to societal collapse besides pandemic.  Having all of our eggs in one basket create incredible vulnerabilities for every American.  The rising costs of energy (fuel) to run these farms is already being reflected throughout the entire economy.  What will happen when one or more nations shut off the oil artery?

This is only one of many areas that are being overlooked by many people when they consider our "dependency" status on the mega-corporations to keep us all alive.  Simply put, we live (exist) because they continue to function. If they were to stop functioning for any reason, so would we.

You can't just rush out and plant a garden and sustain yourself.  This doesn't work and requires a lot of time, commitment and favorable factors. Meanwhile, if all goes well, you still have to eat.

The actual calorie requirement for each human is now being met only because of the mega farms we have today.  Disable the farms (for any reason), you disable the people (think die-off).  We could switch to locally grown, but not fast enough, and not wide enough to avoid massive starvation.

Pandemic is only part of the problem.  Starving to death is another.
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Thanks for the referral.  I have read some of his work during my own research.   I doubt very many people realize just how serious the situation is.   We're too isolated from the cause and effect that we're creating.

I'm almost finished with Jared Diamond's "Collapse" which depcits the global environmental destruction (food sources) of past and present societies.  The current situation should be clamoriing alarm bells worldwide, but is still barely getting noticed.

I am beginning to doubt that the human race will survive another 200 years. The exponential increase in failed ecosystems, collapsing species, pollution, fresh water, salinity, climate change, overgrazing, loss of topsoil, overpopulation and many other factors indicate a massive shift from mega-production farms (failures) to locally grown (if possible).

But there is a lot of doubt in my mind that this paradigm shift is even possible.  I'll go into this more on my blog in articles to come.


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Originally posted by Irene Irene wrote:

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I'm confused. Why wouldn't a healthy farmer be able to plant, fertilize and harvest crops on his farm? It seems like an ideal "job" that allows him to stay in isolation from others during a pandemic and still earn a living.


Even if farmers could produce food, how does it get from them to you? 

Eating (for most people) is dependant not just on farmers, but also the transportation, distribution and oil industries.  Think one or more of these might fail in the event of a major pandemic?  I do.

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    Farms require a fair amount of fuel and power to operate.

You need:

Fuel for the tractors (and parts)

Electricity to run the well pumps for well-irrigated crops, and to water animals. A cow can drink 50 gallons of water a day.

Electricity for refrigeration to keep crops and meat cold until it can be shipped. Certain crops also need to be dried.

For farms, fuel for the vehicles and infrastructure used to feed the animals -- it'd take a LOT of strong labor to carry bales of hay by hand to every cow in a large feedlot.

Fuel to deliver crops to market -- semis need a LOT of fuel.

Fuel & electricity to run packing & processing plants -- and the labor for this.

For dairy farms, electricity & supplies needed to milk the cows. This is NOT done by a young woman sitting on a stool beside a doe-eyed brown cow anymore. It's done by machine. And they need disinfectants and parts in addition to electricity to run the milking machines. If they can't milk the cows, they're up a creek -- the cows may very well develop mastitis and die in a big hurry. One farmer (or farmer's family & employees) are NOT going to be able to milk all the cows on a large dairy operation by hand.

Certain crops also need lots and lots of labor. Most fruits and many veggies are picked by hand, not machine.

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I am so happy so many of you have jumped in to comment.  I was a little discouraged that at first this topic seemed to be taken too lightly.  I live in the central valley in CA and I see dozens of ranch hands out every day, planting, weeding, fertilzing, harvesting and packing produce.  Yes, all of this also takes lots and lots of fuel and a huge delivery system.  It also takes lots and lots of water which also takes people power to maintain and operate as well as electrical power.  Grandpa was a bee keeper and they are also an essential part of the chain as fruit and nuts all need to be pollinated.  Dad had laying hens, 500,000 to be exact, and eggs need to be collected and processed every day.  People who live in the city and those who are only familiar with grain operations do not comprehend the complexity of our food chain.  Thank you to all of you who have shared your thoughts and helped to inform.  It is my hope that they will now begin a dialogue with their friends and inform others. 
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I Know that in Europe during the depression and the two world wars people would come from the city to work the farms in exchange for food. I imagine we will see something along those lines again.
When I was stationed at Fort Ord, CA a lot of the military families would be allowed to pick the fields after the harvest was over.
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i dont think everything would empty out but i do belive there would be shortages
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I live near many farms. Most people living here dont even know that the corn growing around my town is feed or seed corn.All of the farmers work in factories due to the need of health insurance.Small family run farms are a side jobs. When a storm hits my area the farmers sure do run to the stores for food. Some city folks think farmers are sitting on food. That was true 30 years ago.It may be diffrent in other areas, but not here.I do believe if BFpandemic hits the stores will be cleaned out in 1 hour. I base this on the amount of food stores that have gone out of busines in the last 5 years.
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Whatever, family farms are dead.
 The answer is simple it is c
alled gardening, even if it is in containers.
This is a great time to start.

 Do not forget sprouting either......a supply  of living food even in an apartment.

A Bible verse that is just perfect...... for the situation.
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opps144,
Everything will empty out, as soon as there is a percieved shortage. Just ask the people in Hurricane country.

A Bible verse that is just perfect...... for the situation.
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I read somewhere that grocery stores keep  1 to 2  week supply in the stores . So you can imagine how many people who are not prepared may not even get food to eat and the panic they would be in if they waited the last minute to buy anything.
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Originally posted by purplepanther purplepanther wrote:

I read somewhere that grocery stores keep  1 to 2  week supply in the stores . So you can imagine how many people who are not prepared may not even get food to eat and the panic they would be in if they waited the last minute to buy anything.
 
Actually, I heard that in most metro areas, the grocery stores only stock enough food on hand to feed the population of the area for a few days.  The first ten or twenty people to a particular store will likely clean it out of bottled water and long shelf-life food.
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I lived in the Metro NYC area for most of my life (although I'm in the southwest now.)  We had a rip-roaring blizzard the winter of '93/'94 and it shut down the highways for a few days.
 
Toilet paper went first (I remember pushing the cart down the aisle at ShopRite and the entire aisle was empty. The meat case was empty, the dairy case was empty too.  There was some stuff left in the baking aisle and canned goods but grossly depleted.  It shocked me!
 
Ever since then I've kept a month's supply of tp in the house.  Now with bf pending, I've seriously started prepping.  Thanks to everyone for their suggestions since it has taken my shopping list from one page -- to several. 
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There is no way grocery stores have a 1-2 week supply on hand. As a vendor, I have worked in many different stores and most grocery stores have what is out on the shelves. There is very little in the stockrooms, stuff that is going on sale, some canned goods, they have a refrigerated section in the back with milk and some dairy but not huge amounts, even Walmart does not have a huge backstock. Most items are delivered on a daily basis or several times a week: dairy, bread, beer, soda, chips are all delivered by individual vendors (the Lays guy delivers his chips, the Toms guy delivers his chips, the Pepsi guy delivers his products, the Coke guy delivers his products) etc. Sure there are a few pallets of things in the back, but nothing even close to what is on the floor. You might see a big truck pull in to make a delivery and it may only leave 1 or 2 pallets of something, he is making deliveries all over, not just to one store. As a shopper, I know any time bad weather comes along and there is any notice, the stores are wiped out of things like bread and milk, the basics, and that is in one day. I have no doubt that there will be shortages. I was in Walmart yesterday and they had NO bottled water in the gallons, their shelves were bare, they only had a few 2 gal containers and individual bottles/cases. When you see shelves empty like that you can be assured there is none in the stockroom, because they would not be losing $$$$. If they had it, they would stock it just like any other store, they are out to sell it and it's not going to sell in the stockroom. So yes, I am sure there will be shortages, especially with people being ill and unable to make deliveries. All these people have routes and work long hours so even if one or two gets sick, then someone has to take over their route, they don't just have extra employees to make deliveries, so some deliveries will not get made and the employees that do work will be overworked.
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I have been concerned about the availability of prescription meds during a crisis.  I have not been able to have my meds filled completely several times in the past few months and I take very common medications.  You would think they would have plenty of the common ones in stock.  They do not.   Ask your dr. for samples of your meds or if your insurance will not allow you to fill yours early ask the dr. for a second prescription and have that filled.  If you have a prescription written for the amount of pills in the original bottle (usually 100 pills) from the manufacturer you can get prescriptions very inexpensively at Costco.  They love it if you purchase the whole bottle and they don't have to count anything out.  Also the dates on meds, other than liquids, are pull dates not expiration dates.  The meds are good for a year after that date.  So...get a month or two ahead, always use the oldest first, and you will be prepared for shortages.  After all, someone has to drive  delivery trucks to pharmacies also.  By the way, my grocery store was out of water today too.  
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Originally posted by TotallyReady TotallyReady wrote:

Also the dates on meds, other than liquids, are pull dates not expiration dates.  The meds are good for a year after that date.    


Be careful with this.  Some meds (Penicillin is one, if memory serves) actually become toxic past their expiration dates. 
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I checked with my doctor and also a pharmaceutical manufacturer and the 1 year rule applies to most meds.  I would always check with your pharmacist or doctor to make sure.  Again remember this is pill form only.
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 A couple of days ago I was talking to the manager of Walmart, I asked him had many people started buying hurricane supplie yet.  He said yes, they seem to be buying a lot of water, flour and sugar.  Flour and sugar does not seem like normal hurrican supplies to me.  He also said that they, had sold 500 gas cans per week, for the past 3 months.  So somebody is getting ready for something. 

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Originally posted by Mississipp Mama Mississipp Mama wrote:

 A couple of days ago I was talking to the manager of Walmart, I asked him had many people started buying hurricane supplie yet.  He said yes, they seem to be buying a lot of water, flour and sugar.  Flour and sugar does not seem like normal hurrican supplies to me.  He also said that they, had sold 500 gas cans per week, for the past 3 months.  So somebody is getting ready for something. 

 
I see the same thing up here in N.CA. While I still believe that most people don't have a clue, my sense is, that more and more people are quietly starting to prep. I've personally met several people who are, but are not saying a word to anybody, for much the same reasons we tend to be quiet. Fear of ridicule, robbery etc. After one particular BF news show several weeks ago, I went to my local discount grocer and the dry goods in bins were being raided! There was actually a line. Just a precursor for what it will be like when it really hits.
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I finally found a Canadian source for #10 cans of dehydrated foods. When I was talking to the owner on the phone, long-distance, he told me that his sales spiked up after the Oprah Winfrey show on Bird Flu a couple of weeks ago and he was having trouble keeping items in stock.
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Originally posted by Irene Irene wrote:

I finally found a Canadian source for #10 cans of dehydrated foods. When I was talking to the owner on the phone, long-distance, he told me that his sales spiked up after the Oprah Winfrey show on Bird Flu a couple of weeks ago and he was having trouble keeping items in stock.
 
Irene, please post the company's address site over in the Canadian section. You will help some people out.
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Quote Irene, please post the company's address site over in the Canadian section. You will help some people out.
 
I've been waiting to do that until I receive my order and can recommend the company. Although the company has a website, the owner isn't computer literate and doesn't seem to have seen the site. His son put it up but I'm not really sure he's involved in the business - just helping his Dad out.  The prices aren't all up to date on the site either.
 
The owner doesn't accept credit cards, only checks. When I e-mailed my order and asked for shipping charges so I could pay, I got an e-mail from the son, only after I phoned when I hadn't received a response.  I was told not to send any money until I heard from them, probably in about 3 weeks time, as they didn't have everything in stock and didn't know if they could get everything I'd ordered.
 
On the plus side, the owner was really nice to talk to on the phone and I enjoyed our conversation about bird flu. He's had his business since the 1970s. My original order came to about $700.  I asked if he offered discounts for large orders. The owner told me that if I bumped my order to $1,000, he'd give me a 40% discount. Of course I adjusted my order. Smile
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Originally posted by purplepanther purplepanther wrote:

I read somewhere that grocery stores keep  1 to 2  week supply in the stores . So you can imagine how many people who are not prepared may not even get food to eat and the panic they would be in if they waited the last minute to buy anything.


I think it closer to three day supply for essentials and high demand items. milk bread fresh produce.

One or two week supply or ketchup and salad dressing maybe
    
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I have noticed sugar is low in a lot of stores. I bought 20 bags long ago and that for three people and I dont bake . My next urgent item is flour poor wheat crop expected.      
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Originally posted by Deanna Deanna wrote:

I have noticed sugar is low in a lot of stores. I bought 20 bags long ago and that for three people and I dont bake . My next urgent item is flour poor wheat crop expected.      
 
Wal-Mart has flour 25lb bags for 7.97.  I see they are not as numerous as before.  You will have to freeze them for about 5 days and then store them in buckets,add some bay leafs.  Buckets are 3.97 and bay leafs are 1.57 at Wal-Mart also.Wink
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Be careful when storing flour.  It has a short shelf life.  It is best stored in the freezer or canned in a # 10 can with an oxygen packet.  If you have Mormon friends they can advise you if there is a church cannery in your area and they have the ability to can many items and it is cost effective.  You can also bring your own products to these canneries...ask around.  You can also vacuum pack flour and then store it in a dark, cool place to extend the life.  Remember pests love...these so place them in a container that is rodent resistant.
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Most of the stores in our area are having 10/10 sales or better.  It is really strange to go to the grocery store and see many aisles with large empty spaces.  I have never experienced a time when aisles are empty or near empty.  I am pretty well stocked up (every cupboard, behind beds, in the storage room etc.) But when I want something I don't want to go to three stores to find it.  I can imagine what it will be like in a real crisis.
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SafetyLady, which state are you in?
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When I started food prepping in late March, I checked for expiry dates on everything I bought. What has surprised me now, almost 3 months later, is that I am seeing the same expiry dates on some cans in the stores. Either the stores haven't sold out what they have in stock or the new stock they are getting in has been warehoused somewhere for at least 3 months.
 
I've had the same experience at Costco with the Chunky soups and with packages of dried fruit which I like.
 
I think we may see a temporary shortage of food when people panic, then a period where food will seem plentiful as warehoused food is brought in and THEN unless the pandemic waves are short, we might see a period of food shortages, with the warehouses bare and less food being produced and/or transported. 
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Exactly!!  Have you ever noticed that it is common for several grocery or pharmacy stores have the same items on special the same week?  This is because the suppliers have run their own special prices to their customers.  When you see huge discounts it is almost always a sign that the items are about to expire so beware.  As discussed before, foods are warehoused off site not at your local store.  But remember that is still a pull date not an expiration date.  You do not need to throw these foods away.  Use common sense and discard cans and packages that are bulging or foods that smell or look discolored.  Boil foods uncovered for 10 minutes and this should assure foods are safe unless there is bulging, a strange smell or discoloration of the food, in that case...toss it.
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