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1 scs to 100 water
55 gal water / 100 = .55 gal scs
So a heaping tablespoon of calcium hypoclorite will make two gallons of scs which will treat almost 400 gallons of water! That's why I bought only 10 pounds of CH.
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So, if my math isn't too bad, about 1 1/4 gal of scs to 55 gallons water to make potable?
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The 35% is inert.
You first make a stock clorine solution. Then you use the SCS to disinfect your drinking water.
"Granular Calcium Hypochlorite. Add and dissolve one heaping teaspoon of high-test granular calcium hypochlorite (approximately 1/4 ounce) for each two gallons of water. The mixture will produce a stock chlorine solution of approximately 500 mg/L, since the calcium hypochlorite has an available chlorine equal to ~70 percent of its weight. To disinfect water, add the stock chlorine solution in the ratio of one part of chlorine solution to each 100 parts of water to be treated. This is roughly equal to adding 1 pint (16 oz.) of stock chlorine to each 12.5 gallons of water to be disinfected." |
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Ok so if the calcium hypo = 65% or higher and other ingred.=35% or greater ( obviously = 100%) and it does not say anything else about algecides that is what we need to make up the liquid mix to treat h2o with ? I have looked at the label and wasnt sure... What do you think the "other ingred" are-maybe stabilizers or something? Thanks all sorry I wanted this spelled out to me.
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hoosiermom,
I had to go to a pool store, the spa people just laughed at me " we don't sell that because it doesn't go in spas. If it is a spa & pool supply, they may have it. I bought two 1 lb packages. I hope it's the right stuff as it says 65% calcium hypochlorite and 35% other. It doesnt say algeacides tho.
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That's 733 gallons per person. Do your neighbors have a good concept of water conservation? Is the tank always full? |
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If all is not lost, where is it?
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we're on community water tank--22,000 gallons that supplies about 30 users. Also have a 1,500 gallon holding tank on our property. Our holding tank works on gravity, so we are set.
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Not a stupid question! I bought mine at the local spa dealer. It can probably only be shipped via UPS ground. Red |
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We have a well, but it went dry for a year afew years back during a draught. So, I will not count on it. I have acumulated 16 of 55 gallon food grade barrels and ordered 2 of 35 gallon barrels. We don't live too far from a river (YUK) so in a pinch, we could get water there. I have dry shock put away for later use, when bleach has expired.
Edited to add that I purchased a kids pool 10' x 16" on clearance for $7.00 to put out for rain water to wash clothing and what not also.
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We have the old fashion spring feed well with a hand pump. My concerns are that the surface water that sometimes runs into the well when we have a big "toad stranger" rain will bring in the virus. So I plan to boil the water to be sure we are not consuming anything bad. Springs are all over our farm so we are very blessed with water. We also have one pond and a lake to get water from if needed. |
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Has anyone ordered calcium hypoch. online, is this a chemical that can legally be shipped? Sorry if this is a stupid question..
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Pakistani water war ends after 14 killed
20 Jun 2006 11:45:12 GMT
Source: Reuters < = ="/bin/js/article.js"> < id=CurrentSize = value=13 name=CurrentSize> (Updates death toll, clashes over)
PARACHINAR, Pakistan, June 20 (Reuters) - Bloody clashes between rival Pakistani villagers over scarce water supplies ended on Tuesday when troops were sent to restore order in the region on the Afghan border after 14 people were killed.
Pakistan faces a serious water shortage this year after light rain and snow over the winter. Water rights are a divisive issue in many parts of the country but the clashes in the Kurrum region were the most serious this year over the resource.
Violence erupted on Monday when people of one clan tried to divert water from an irrigation canal to their fields and men from another clan resisted.
The rivals battled with rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, said the region's administrator, Mohammad Salim Khan.
The government said 14 people had been killed and 35 wounded. A military official who declined to be identified said 22 people had been killed.
"There's a lull now and the tribesmen have started withdrawing from their positions on the mountains," Khan told Reuters.
The ethnic Pashtun communities that lie on both sides of the Pakistani-Afghan border have been traditionally well-armed.
Pakistan has about one fifth less water this year than normal, said an official at the Indus River System Authority, and several crops including rice have been hit hard.
But shortages are only expected to get worse as populations and demand grow. Analysts say water disputes will become more common, not only within communities but between countries.
Pakistan is already in dispute with India over rivers that begin in Indian mountains and flow into Pakistan, and is nervous about possible Afghan plans to dam rivers that flow into Pakistan.
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I'm going to increase water storage some, but I also live near a river, and could decontaminate that. Then there is rainwater; perhaps I'll get a barrel with filtration unit to fill off the drain pipes. Some might want to make solar water collectors. You could dig a hole, cover with a clear plastic sheet weighted in the center with a rock, water condensing would drip into a collecting vessel in the hole. Cumbersome and slow but would not run out (sorry if you are in a desert area).
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I am a biologist studying (amongst other things) the avian bird flu. There is an excellent video on my website for the forum readers pertaining to safety, handling and the virus itself. This is solid basic information all families should be aware of before the Avian Virus comes to America. And yes, I mean WHEN it comes.
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I believe water from a dehumidifer is pure/distilled. Don't quote me on that, but that's what I seem to remember hearing.
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PLEASE check with your water company...most only keep a 5 day supply of chemicals for water treatment. Sick truck drivers....no chemicals....... equals unsafe water
Someone mentioned adding bleach to water storages???? If you water is already treated you do not need to do this.
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I have 6/55 gallon drums
70/1 gallon bottles of water
20/1 gallon bottles for cleaning
10/24 pks small bottles
20x4 ft. pool
2/55 gallon drums cut for rain water
NEVER enough water................
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I have my preps in the basement and run a dehumidifier near the prep shelves. Every day I empty out 1-2 gallons from the holding tank of the dehumidifier. Now the electricity would have to be on for this to work but I was thinking that a dehumidifier might be a good source for water.
Problem is I don't know if the water from the dehumidifier would be pure. |
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If you lose power for more than five days the water sanitation is down. They go hand in hand , it might only be three days before the water is no longer safe to drink. What I expect is that it could be staggered power outages and delays in repairs lines. |
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Don't forget to fill the washing machine. Check bath tub drain plugs now to be sure the seal will hold water long term. |
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Well everybody,I ifinally got my manual well installed Sat. I went out today to test the well, had to wait a couple of days for the conrete slab to dry arounf it. Guess what I need to take weight lifting classes, no kidding. We will be in serious trouble if I don't develop the strength to pump this thing if my husband gets sick. So off to the gym I go. I'm hope it gets easier as it gets broken in. Still glad to have it. At least it looks good. I like the color it hunter green.
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Two recent purchases for for small, portable, easy to use ($100 - $150) water purifing products which I recently purchased on the net are:
MIOX PURIFIER Works by "creating brine out of untreaated fresh water & salt, then passing a small electrical charge through the solution, which resultss in a powerful dosse of mixed oxidants (MIOX). This 'cocktail' is poured into untreated water, inactivating all viruses, bacterial,glardia, cryptosporidum (which even iodine doesn't kill), and leaving you with safe purified water." All required that is required to use what seems to be this indestructable device salt in any form, water & sunshine. The marines use it so I thought it would be good to have on hand in case we need to end up using lake water . . . .
SteriPen which "uses short wave germicidal UV light to disinfect waater . . . destroy the DNA within bacterial, viruses . . . ." This seemed like a good way to make sure questionable (yet relatively clear) water is free of viruses. It uses baateries & the UV tube (which is suppose to last a while.)
Kr105 from this forum says there is a cheeper way to obtain something like a steripen. He says: The SteriPen is a great idea but way overpriced! I purchased a flourescent light from Walmart $15 then went to TopBulb.com and purchased the germicidal bulb to go in it $20. I now have a large uv/germicidal lamp that I turn on once a week for 30 mins in my water storage area. Make sure you purchase the right size bulb for the lamp (both pin size and length.) By the way, this only works if your containers are regular water bottles and the light can get thru to the water."
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MaryR, That device is called a well bucket. I bought one from Lehmans.com: http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=97&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=well+bucket Red |
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Hi brianages........Thank you so much for the information. I am going to look into it. Sorry about your neck. How did you break it?
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Irene, if you're talking about the 5-gallon collapsible containers available at Wal-mart, they do leak a little, but not very much. I filled mine when I first got them about 2 months ago and they're still over 95% full. Have them in the bathtub now and would use them first.
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I order from zepherhills, seven 5 gallon bottles per month, plus 2 cases of bottled water per month.
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I haven't bought any but I recall one poster complaining that a couple of ones he bought leaked. So if you buy any, I suggest you test them out now so you can return them to the store if they do leak.
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Don't have enough, that's for sure. I have the cutie water guy leave a few extra five gallon bottles when he comes, but it's hard to store. I'm going to have to buy some of those collapsable containers to fill at the last minute. Anyone know about them? Any info would be appreciated.
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Have a 600 gallon tank and a rainfall that averages 60 inches a year. A
stream 200 yards away. An inflatable plunge pool of about 500 gallons
as well
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That I am not totally sure about. If it was me I probably would drink it if it was an emergency, but I would boil and put household bleach to make sure before drinking. Kids swallow pool water and it doesn't make them sick (no kids have ever gotten sick at my pool), and my outdoor cats prefer drinking out of the pool (even though they have bowls of water on the porch) and it doen't make them sick. So I am not sure.
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Okay, more research on my part, thank you. I want to be sure I understand before I hit the return lines in the morning. Now, if we're in an emergency situation, we still should NOT drink the Shock with an additive?
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Annie, the shock sold at Walmart DOES have additives, that was one of the places I checked in addition to the pool store and KMart and Atwoods. Unless your Walmart sells something different than the two Walmarts here that I have checked at, usually they sell the same thing.
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oh... looks pretty similar (drops) at second glance. Mostly see 3 mim 5 min 10 min for boiling water. On our area it's 5 min boiling.
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This is from Illinois... so much differing info.
Illinois Dept of Public Health
DISINFECTION OF WATER The most reliable method for purifying water is to vigorously boil the water for three minutes. This will kill any disease-causing bacteria present in the water. When boiling is not practical, chemical disinfection should be used. Chlorine and iodine are the most commonly used chemical disinfectants. EMERGENCY DISINFECTION OF WATER
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At Walmart I purchsed I believe it's a one pound sack of shock. Our Walmart has a pool section. I'm not sure if it;s plain shock, have to check in the morning.
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I have 6 x 55 gal barrels, and a 350 gal hot tub which is sanitized with hydrogen peroxide 35%. I would still filter this through the Berkley before drinking. My biggest concern is having to hunt for water. It does rain here, but so far about 2 inches in the last 6 months.
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WE have about 150 gallons of water and 1 50 gallon barrel to fill with water when we will go into da BUNKER. we willl have about 200 gallons of water before the end of july and another 55 gallon barrel. WSTF , we will be prepared
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Hello Penham,
Great find on the bleach dosage. I copied it to make it easier on the viewers.
Chlorine Bleach: When boiling is not practical, chemical disinfection should be used. Common household bleach contains a chlorine compound that will disinfect water. The procedure to be followed is usually written on the label. When the necessary procedure is not given, find the percentage of available chlorine on the label and use the information in the following tabulation as a guide.
(If strength is unknown, add ten drops per quart of water. Double amount of chlorine for cloudy or colored water or water that is extremely cold.) The treated water should be mixed thoroughly and allowed to stand, preferably covered, for 30 minutes. The water should have a slight chlorine odor; if not, repeat the dosage and allow the water to stand for an additional 15 minutes. If the treated water has too strong a chlorine taste, it can be made more pleasing by allowing the water to stand exposed to the air for a few hours or by pouring it from one clean container to another several times. Chemical treatment: When boiling is not practical, chemical disinfection should be used. The two chemicals commonly used are chlorine and iodine. Chlorine and iodine are somewhat effective in protecting against exposure to Giardia, but may not be effective in controlling Cryptosporidium. Therefore, use iodine or chlorine only to disinfect well water (as opposed to surface water sources such as rivers, lakes, and springs), because well water is unlikely to contain these disease causing organisms. Chlorine is generally more effective than iodine in controlling Giardia, and both disinfectants work much better in warmer water. |
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http://www.EPA.gov/safewater
Go to the bottom of page click on link for emergency disinfecting of water for amounts of bleach to use to make safe drinking water. |
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Pool water may be ok to drink depending on what you are using to sanitize it with. If you are using plain calcium hypochlorite (shock) with no additives, then it would be ok to drink, this is the same ingredient as bleach (which also can be used to sanitize your drinking water). Now, we have an inground pool and do use chlorine tabs and shock but both have additives such as algecide in it so we would not be using ours for drinking but for bathing, cleaning and flushing. You can buy the plain shock, but I have only seen it in large buckets for over $70, although I understand it is available, I myself have not been able to find it at pool stores except in huge amounts. All the small packets I have seen have the additives in them. Our pool store recommends using the plain shock on tile pools only, no vinyl pools, I did ask because I considered buying that type shock instead of the kind we use, but was told our pool was not deep enough at 5-1/2 feet. I don't know if leaving the water in the sun sanitizes it? All I know is if the pool is not filtered for at least 8 hours a day with chlorine after 2 days it starts getting cloudy (I tested that this week just to see) after that it starts getting really gross. So I know if the electricity goes out then that water source won't last long except for flushing, without taking it out and sanitizing it again. It might go a little longer in cold weather, but then you have to worry about the pipes freezing up with no electricity. We usually keep our pool open year round (heater) but may shut it down this winter in case the electricity goes out. I also plan on collecting rain water, but not counting on this because we went for 5 months without rain earlier in the year and part of last year. I did buy a tarp and have plastic table cloths to somehow rig to capture water into buckets for drinking. Would only use roof runoff for bathing, cleaning since the roof is not clean. Will also wait 5 or 10 minutes before collecting the drinking part of the water to make sure it has less pollution, pollen, etc. in it. The first part of the rain collection will also be for cleaning and flushing.
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Don't forget that you will be using up your food stores and likely not replenishing them during a pandemic. As food grade containers empty, fill them up with water if it's available.
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