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    Posted: June 18 2006 at 8:12am
    WORLD GRAIN STOCKS FALL TO 57 DAYS OF CONSUMPTION:

As Galaxy warming continues to rise, less and less food is available.
Now all we have to decide is who's warming up the entire galaxy and we
can locate and point the finger as to who is lowering the food supply of
the earth.
Although Scripture does refer to "Famine" in these days, the actual term
does not refer to a shortage of food .. it refers to the inability of
those without the mark to "access that food".
Now one thing the writer has not considered in the pricing of food is
the pricing of fuels.

All that aside, you are aware that the nice government shops that supply
your food only have 2 days supply don't you??
Want to know what happens after the second day?? Start looking as movies
like Mad Max and treat them like childrens stories.
Want to know what city streets will look like by day 3?? Take a look at
the images coming out of Iraq.
I might be worth storing an extra packet of biscuits or a gar of jam
.... (:o))

Neal


WORLD GRAIN STOCKS FALL TO 57 DAYS OF CONSUMPTION:

Grain Prices Starting to Rise
Lester R. Brown

This year's world grain harvest is projected to fall short of
consumption by 61 Million Tons, marking the sixth time in the last seven
years that production has failed to satisfy demand.

As a result of these shortfalls, world carryover stocks at the end of
this crop year are projected to drop to 57 days of consumption, the
shortest buffer since the 56-day-low in 1972 that triggered a doubling
of grain prices.

World carryover stocks of grain, the amount in the bin when the next
harvest begins, are the most basic measure of food security.

Whenever stocks drop Below 60 days of consumption, prices begin to rise.


It thus came as no surprise when the U.S. Department of Agriculture
(USDA) projected in its June 9 world crop report that this year's wheat
prices will be up by 14 percent and corn prices up by 22 percent over
last year's.

This price projection assumes normal weather during the summer growing
season. If the weather this year is unusually good,
then the price rises may be less than those projected, but if this
year's harvest is sharply reduced by heat or drought,
they could far exceed the projected rises.

With carryover stocks of grain at the lowest level in 34 years, the
world may soon be facing high grain and oil prices
at the same time (See Figure). For the scores of low-income countries
that import both oil and grain, this prospect is a sobering one.

The 2006 world grain harvest of 1,984 million tons, estimated by the
USDA in its June crop report,
is down 24 million tons from last year, or roughly 1%.
It is down 3% from the historical high of 2,044 million tons produced in
2004.

World grain consumption has risen in each of the last 45 years except
for three - 1974, 1988, and 1995 - when tight supplies
and sharp price hikes lowered consumption (See Figure).
Growth in world grain demand, traditionally driven by population growth
and rising incomes, is also now being driven
by the fast growing demand for grain-based fuel ethanol for cars.

Roughly 60% of the world grain harvest is consumed as food, 36 percent
as feed, and 3% as fuel.
While the use of grain for food and feed grows by roughly 1% per year,
that used for fuel is growing by over 20% per year.

Although the rate of world population growth is projected to slow
further, the number of people to be added is expected to remain above 70
million a year until 2020. Each year the world's farmers must try to
feed an additional 70 million people, good weather or bad.

This growth is concentrated in the Indian subcontinent and sub-Saharan
Africa, which is where most of the world's hungry people live.

When incomes begin to rise, low-income consumers diversify their diets,
shifting from a diet dominated by starchy foods, such as rice, corn,
wheat, and cassava, to a more diverse diet, one that incorporates
grain-intensive products such as meat, milk, and eggs.

In high-income countries like the United States and Canada, grain
consumed indirectly in the form of livestock products
far exceeds that consumed directly as food.

Rising incomes worldwide are enabling some 3 or 4 billion low-income
consumers to move up the food chain,
consuming more poultry, pork, beef, milk, eggs, and farmed fish.

World meat production, which climbed from 44 million tons in 1950 to 265
million tons in 2005, moves higher each year.
During this 55-year span, production per person more than doubled, going
from 17 kilograms to 41 kilograms.

The newest, potentially huge claimant on world grain supplies, the use
of grain to produce fuel ethanol, is concentrated
in the United States where a projected 55 million tons, or one fifth of
the projected 268-million-ton corn harvest for 2006,
will be used for this purpose.

This year the climbing use of corn to produce automotive fuel will catch
up with the U.S. export of corn, which is
also estimated at 55 million tons (See Figure).
For perspective, although 55 million tons is only 16 percent of the U.S.
grain harvest, it exceeds the total grain harvest of Canada.

Farmers are facing a record growth in the demand for grain at a time
when the backlog of technology to raise grain yields is shrinking, when
underground water reserves are being depleted, and when rising
temperatures threaten to shrink future harvests.

Water tables are now falling and wells are going dry in countries that
contain half the world's people, including
the big three grain producers - China, India, and the United States.

In China, water shortages have helped lower the wheat harvest from its
peak of 123 million tons in 1997 to below 100 million tons in recent
years.
Water shortages are also making it more difficult for farmers in India
to expand their grain harvest. In parts of the United States, such as
the Texas panhandle and in western Oklahoma and Kansas, depletion of the
Ogallala aquifer has forced farmers to return to lower-yield dryland
farming.

The world's farmers are also losing water to cities.
In the United States, for example, hardly a day goes by without another
sale of irrigation water to small towns or large cities
such as Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, and Denver.

Some of these water sales are by individual farmers selling water rights
to a local town. Others represent sales of water rights by entire
irrigation districts, as in parts of California.

The widespread overpumping of aquifers for irrigation means we are
feeding ourselves with water that belongs to the next generation.
While it is widely recognized that the world is facing a future of water
shortages, not everyone has connected the dots
to see that this likely also means a future of food shortages.

Perhaps the most dangerous threat to future food security is the rise in
temperature.
Among crop ecologists there is now a consensus - that for each
temperature rise of 1° Celsius
above the historical average during the growing season, - we can
expect a 10% Decline in Grain Yields.

When describing weather-reduced harvests, crop analysts often refer to
the crop prospect when weather returns to normal.
They fail to realize that with the earth's climate now in flux, there is
no longer a norm to return to.

More and more in recent years, crop-withering heat waves have led to
major crop losses. For a recent example,
the early estimate of India's wheat harvest this year - of 73 Million
tons dropped to 68 Million tons
as high temperatures during the crop's critical growth stage in January
and February shrank the harvest.

The troubling constraints on grain production growth, - such as
spreading water shortages and rising temperatures,
are making it difficult for farmers to keep up with the record growth
in demand.

As a result the world grain market may become a seller's market, one
where higher grain prices, like high oil prices,
are an integral part of the economic landscape.


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The up side is no more rats!
    
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Does that include and mean us?
I thought this would be a relevant post since many here are talking of preparing. Since gas drives everything else up, i think it is going to get harder to prepare as time goes on.
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No, we be gerbils .

Ok, I do have an issue, Dave, and I apologize for the sarcasm. It's just that when folks start and end by quoting from their favorite holy texts about end days and writing at great length about corresponding food shortages, I have difficulty seeing the relevance to a forum aimed at helping people, much less a news discussion. But I still love you for caring. Just please don't go on about the end of the world in the news forum, as a favor to me, pulease. I promise I'll serve your time in hell, ok?
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Funny fellow! But I didn't write the post. I'm no believer in any 'rapture' so I think the idea of preparing is a valid one.
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No problem. Can you please let me talk to the other Dave Thompson 1?
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Originally posted by Dave_Thompson_1 Dave_Thompson_1 wrote:

   Start looking as movies
like Mad Max and treat them like childrens stories.


Whoa!


 thats going too be something, heres the movie trailer here

http://www.xav.com/scripts/search/test/binaries/Mad_Max_2_Trailer.mpg
 of MadMax2



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Getting back to- WORLD GRAIN STOCKS
 
Is there going to be a shortfall because some corn is going over to fuel?
It's logical to want higher prices for grain used as fuel...
 
"If the weather this year is unusually good,
then the price rises may be less than those projected"
 
the weather is pretty good.  We have had a lot of rain.
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There is no shortfall of grain because of fuel. The shortfall this year, and the fifteen million starved children this year, and last, and the year before, and before that, and so on, is because half of the farmland is used to grow feed for livestock to feed 5% of the world. That livestock produces 50% of global warming, and cultivating livestock feed results in 50% of farm runoff pollution which is moving the oceans toward the tipping point of dieoff, and high pesticide use because it's unregulated for livestock feed together with the antibiotics that are necessary to keep the infections in cattle under control because the corn causes lesions in their stomachs is causing much human suffering. Of course, canned meat is in every prosperous person's pandemic preparedness pack, but multiply it's food value by 1000% to represent lost food value from grain and then each of our basement stashes might feed a poor 3rd world village for a year.

But on a more serious note: Mad Max 2: In the future everybody will mumble except Mel Gibson.

Bird flu?! We don't need no stinkin bird flu.

And Lo! The Angel of the Lord did call unto them saying 'And Lo! the cattle of the world did, well, low! "Moo Mooooooo" said the cattle, "we die and we have taken more than 200 million adults with us. The half billion kids? Oh, you killed the kids, you." And so I say unto you...you want to fry with that?'

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I'm no Bible expert, but there is something in there about the cattle going away also. I watched what happened in the UK as millions of animals there were culled from foot and mouth. The Bible does indicate famine from something. If we lose cows and chickens and panic ensues, preparations will be well to have.
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I'm confused. This seemed to be an informative post and I enjoyed reading it. Where's the hassle? Did I miss something?
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Grain threshing, India
 
in its original context on the page: www.marcschenker.com/.../ threshers_web?full=1
 
 
 
Grain drain: World faces food crisis, double whammy for India
 
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WASHINGTON: This news may be hard to stomach. The world is heading towards a food crisis in addition to the crushing rise in oil prices, and India is squarely in the crosshairs of the twin dangers.

This year's world grain harvest is projected to fall short of consumption by 61 million tons, marking the sixth time in the last seven years that production has failed to satisfy demand, the Washington-based Earth Policy Institute (EPI) has said.

As a result of these shortfalls, it warned, world carryover stocks at the end of this crop year are projected to drop to 57 days of consumption, the shortest buffer since a 56-day-low in 1972 triggered a doubling of grain prices.

"World carryover stocks of grain, the amount in the bin when the next harvest begins, are the most basic measure of food security. Whenever stocks drop below 60 days of consumption, prices begin to rise," EPI President Lester Brown said in a paper released on Wednesday.

The news is particularly alarming for India whose food grain production has remained largely stagnant over the past decade.

Low buffer stock this year has forced the government to invite bids for import of a massive 3.5 million tons of wheat, one of the biggest orders in recent years from any country.

According to EPI, because of the worldwide shortfall, it came as no surprise when the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) projected in its June 9 world crop report that this year's wheat prices will be up by 14 percent and corn prices up by 22 percent over last year's.

"With carryover stocks of grain at the lowest level in 34 years, the world may soon be facing high grain and oil prices at the same time. For scores of low-income countries that import both oil and grain, this prospect is a sobering one," Brown observed.

A grain crunch on top of the oil squeeze, and the inflationary pressure it would bring, could have dire consequence for India's sunshine economy which is enjoying handsome growth for the past decade.

According to USDA figures, the 2006 world grain harvest of 1,984 million tons, estimated by the USDA in its June crop report, is down 24 million tons or roughly one percent from last year.

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He is so right. We have only just begun to see food and WATER prices surge. ADM is an insider in D.C., with impeccable connections to Dem's and Rep's. I agree it is a buy. Options perhaps Jan. 2008 would be wonderful.


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Dear Subscriber,

Rising oil prices are driving up the prices of virtually everything — manufacturing ... transportation ... even the cost of money (through higher interest rates).

Now, another sector of the natural resources arena — one of the most critical of all — is also starting to soar: Food!

Investing in food might not be as hot as investing in gold or oil. But what counts is that the profit potential can be just as large.

Plus, when I invest in this sector, I feel I’m also helping to funnel capital toward addressing the greatest scandal of our time:

• 800 million people going without food each and every day

• Six million deaths each year for lack of basic necessities

• One child starving to death every five seconds

I got a glimpse of this on my recent trip to Asia. Despite the massive amounts of wealth being created there, poverty still abounds. The sick and hungry are on almost every street corner. Clean water is often scarce; good nutrition, a pipedream.

And I believe the timing is right. After sliding sharply last year, prices for agricultural products have been showing very strong signs of turning the corner.

The charts and technical trading patterns of corn, wheat, and soybeans illustrate this: Prices are thrusting higher, showing classic signs of breakouts to the upside.

There are also real fundamental changes taking place in the industry, and the upshot will be higher prices ...

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Technological Improvements Are Impressive. But They’re Not Overcoming the Chronic Scarcity of Arable Land

If you haven’t been on a farm in a while, you might be startled to learn that the “farmer in the dell” has become the “farmer with a Dell.”

Just look at some of the technology being used:

Tractors use GPS (global positioning satellite) technology to plow perfect rows on autopilot. And they can precisely repeat these rows year after year to reduce soil compaction.


Infrared sensors control how much fertilizer is applied to each part of a field based on instant soil analysis.


Harvesters compute the exact crop production rate from each square foot of the land.


Computerized planters can adjust the amount of seed to apply to each patch of ground according to its fertility.
But no amount of technology can change the fact that the world is running out of arable land to cultivate.

This is especially true right here in the U.S., one of the countries producing the lion’s share of the world’s food. We simply do not have enough farmland to go around.

Sure, you can still drive for hours in the Plains states and see nothing but grain. But we’re now consuming more agricultural products than we can produce.

New technologies, like genetically modified organisms (GMO), can improve production-per-acre. But there’s a point at which the soil can yield no more.

Other alternative farming methods like hydroponics (growing plants without soil) and aquaculture/aquaponics (fish farming) may hold some promise for additional food production. But unfortunately, these methods are only in their infancy when it comes to commercial applications.

That’s bad news when you consider that ...

Exploding World Population Is Driving
A Massively Growing Demand for Food!

We’ve already seen this dynamic in many other natural resources — oil, gold, silver, copper, uranium. Now we’re seeing it in food products. And much as with those resources, the strongest demand for food is coming from Asia.

Consider China, for example:

Although China still maintains its one-child-per family policy in the cities, it’s not illegal to have more children, provided the family effectively pays its own way for education and other social services. And with the increasing wealth in the urban areas, many more couples are opting to do just that.

Result: the overall fertility rate in China has been rising, now approaching two children per family. And China expects its population to increase by 300 million to 1.6 billion by 2050.

Meanwhile, domestic supplies have been shrinking: China’s grain harvests, including wheat, corn and rice, have declined in four of the last five years. Why? Because ...

China’s arable land is shrinking at the rate of 2.47 million acres a year. Construction is eating up land once used for growing crops.


Aquifers have been dropping rapidly, reducing irrigation water supplies.


Farmland, especially near urban centers, is being converted from grain production to higher value crops like fresh fruits and vegetables.


Urban migration is depleting the countryside of able-bodied field workers.
So increasingly, China has been turning to imports for its grain supplies.

Meanwhile, India, the world’s second most populous country, is also facing a severe food shortage.

Over the next 15 years, India is expected to add another 300 million people to its current population of one billion. That’s the equivalent of adding the entire current population of the U.S. Fortunately, right now, India is still self-sufficient in terms of food production.

But that could all change quickly. Like China, India is experiencing mass migration to urban centers like Mumbai, Calcutta, and Delhi. That means fewer farmers, and more urban sprawl.

Another is India’s changing diet. From 1993 through 2020, demand for meat and eggs is projected to quadruple! That translates directly into heavier demand for cereal grains and soybean feeds for the livestock.

And although China and India are by far the biggest consumers of grains and soybeans, they are not the only sources of burgeoning demand for agricultural goods ...

By 2030, there will be another 1.4 billion MORE new mouths to feed from other corners of the globe.

Sub-Saharan Africa is one of the demographic hotspots. Population growth there is going to explode from 642 million today to 1.4 billion in the next 25 years.

Already, at least 23 African nations have inadequate food supplies. One in three Africans is undernourished. One child in fourteen dies before age five from malnutrition.

To feed the world, hundreds of millions of bushels of wheat and corn will have to come from somewhere. But where?

A Shifting Bread Basket

Thirty years ago, the United States was “The Bread Basket of the World.” But as I mentioned earlier, now we can barely feed ourselves.

I think it will be primarily South America that steps in to fill the void. South America has the few remaining vast regions on the planet with large tracts of undeveloped arable land.

China — a huge customer for U.S. farm products — already recognizes that North America will not be able to fulfill all of its food needs. So the Chinese have been actively shopping for their groceries in South America. And China’s President Hu Jintao has declared his government plans to invest $100 billion in Latin America over the next decade.

The areas with the most potential:

Brazil will soon be the largest soybean exporter in the world, with 57 million acres now under cultivation, with millions more acres to come.


Argentina has doubled its soybean production from 17 million acres in 1997 to more than 34 million acres today. Argentina’s corn production is also soaring.


Bolivia, Uruguay, and Paraguay are also beginning to flex some muscle in their agricultural export capability.
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Three Agricultural
Companies to Consider

Sadia S.A. (SDA) — a Brazilian food producer with operations in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Bolivia. It is one of the largest food companies in the region. Half of its sales come from outside of South America, with Asia and the Middle East particularly large buyers.

Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) — an agribusiness giant that grows and processes corn, wheat, soybeans, barley, and other foods. For the nine months ended March 31, ADM’s revenues rose 2% to $27.05 billion. Net income rose 6% to $901.8 million. But I think they’re going to soar in the months and years ahead. After all, ADM is a giant in the industry.

Cresud Inc. (CRESY) — An Argentina-based grower of wheat, corn, and soybeans. Cresud also raises beef and dairy cattle.

You can buy these kinds of companies on your own. Or if you want specific buy-and-sell instructions covering all natural resource sectors, including follow-ups and flash alerts, consider my Real Wealth Report.

Other Natural Resources
Still Equally Attractive

While food is just starting to boom, other natural resources are just beginning the second, more dramatic phase of their rise. And everything I’ve seen on my recent trip to Asia underscores that view.

So if you’ve acted on the recommendations in my Real Wealth Report, hold your core gold positions, your oil and energy positions, and all natural resource plays.

Plus, stay alert for my new recommendations. I expect some terrific buying opportunities in the days ahead.

Best wishes,

Thomas


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Here's another I found. If people are going to prepare i guess they had better hurry.



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can afford to comply and who are willing to accept the governmental
intrusion. Yet this "feel good" program will do virtually nothing to
safeguard animal health, its alleged purpose. Rather, NAIS will do
all of the following:

    * drive small producers and their supporting suppliers (feed
stores, auction houses, etc) out of existence

    * make people abandon raising animals for their own food and as
pets

    * invade Americans' personal privacy to a degree never before
tolerated

    * deprive Americans of their property rights

    * violate the religious freedom of Americans whose beliefs make
it impossible for them to comply

    * cost the American economy far more than it will deliver

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Good 'ol Dave Thompsom 1

He starts out with "oh woe is us, it is the end of time", and then sneaks in a long post with two big sale pitches from one broker about how to get rich during the food shotages. "Hurry!"

Now I'm going to be treated to his personal pain at my insinuations, but I would very much like to see this forum boot this crap off the site, with extreme prejudice.

"Plus, stay alert for my new recommendations. I expect some terrific buying opportunities in the days ahead."
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Check it out.

Dave Thompsom 1 writes:

"I agree it is a buy. Options perhaps Jan. 2008 would be wonderful."

Not a copy of any other post.

Not news.

It's his personal recommendation about how to get rich from food shortages.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dave_Thompson_1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 4:15am
Seems a bit hypocritcal to encourage people to prepare for a pandemic and not give them incentive as to why they should. What's your real beef here kparcell? Additionally the very first post is from a guy named Neal in NZ and you attack me for religious info in the post that I didn't even write. Yet a couple of posts later you erroneously accuse me of Bible thumping. This is about encouraging people to prepare. An idea I note as common in this group. I think it's a good idea.

And again you are attributing what others have written in the post I've simply copied and pasted here. Look closely at that post and you'll see it was written by a gal named Kayfox.

Duh.

    
    
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Check it out friends, five posts above - the long one - Good 'ol Dave starts with:

"He is so right. We have only just begun to see food and WATER prices surge. ADM is an insider in D.C., with impeccable connections to Dem's and Rep's. I agree it is a buy. Options perhaps Jan. 2008 would be wonderful."

He sandwiches this in between reports of starving children.

Hurry! You too can get filthy rich on starvation.

I guess not all the Enron brokers went to jail.
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Hey Dave, the thing is, idiots who can't read well enough to see it's you writing this crap are not going to be found here. Later today, you and your brokerage will be featured in a number of international news outlets in a report about the scum of the Earth. Hey, they might even track down your real name and address. Your old news, Dave - a bible-thumping ripoff artist - and one that we all need to flush.
    
    
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Does anybody know what kparcell is on???
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Psalms188:8"Better to trust in the Lord,than to trust in man"  God will supply all my needs. The stock market is a "gamble" correct?  Believers don't gamble.  There will be food on my table!Clap
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Originally posted by Dave_Thompson_1 Dave_Thompson_1 wrote:

Funny fellow! But I didn't write the post. I'm no believer in any 'rapture' so I think the idea of preparing is a valid one.
 
This is a "Latest News" forum on "Avian Influenza" not a prepare for everything forum. At the least, this thread belongs in the "discussion" forum
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Sooner the better: every customer Dave recruits means more dead kids.
    
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What the heck does that mean? You people are warped! I'm not selling stocks here. And this is latest news material. I think if people prepare to feed their kids there will be more of them alive.
    
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Originally posted by Dave_Thompson_1 Dave_Thompson_1 wrote:

What the heck does that mean? You people are warped! I'm not selling stocks here. And this is latest news material. I think if people prepare to feed their kids there will be more of them alive.
    
 
This is NOT news on Avian Flu. News on avian has stuff in it like more people infeceted, new vectors, new outbreak, cats have it, now it's here. etc. The starving of people dsue to low crop yeilds is not news about avian flu. Like I said, it belongs in the discussion forum discussing prepping.
 
This forum is "latest news" on "avian flu"
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That doesn't explain the ridicule and info taken out of context here. You people obviously have issues and I hope to God you aren't the types to be around to try to 'help' if there is a crisis.
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Dave is not selling stocks, he's selling futures, which is making money by betting that kids starve.
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BTW, Dave, I withdraw my offer to serve your time in hell if you stop posting "end days" scripture...nobody has that much time.
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Dave: I guess people just take offense when it seems like someone is attempting to benefit in any way from the pain and suffering of others. You seem callous by suggesting "I agree it is a buy. Options perhaps Jan. 2008 would be wonderful." Obviously, by the above statements people here believe that you are motivated by the money making aspects of this disaster. Most find that despicable. If that is not your intention, I apologize.

It is a common manipulation to have others "argue" with the authors that you cite rather than your own opinion, that way you can play it either way depending on the flow of words. Again, possibly this with the other posts may have led to misunderstandings.

I am a Bible thumper and very contentedly so. There are many here who discuss the possible ramifications of a worldwide pandemic and how that relates to Bible prophesy. Famine, disease, pestilence, earthquakes are all part of what the world seems to be experiencing with greater and greater frequency and intensity. All was foretold and does not surprise any believers here. Perhaps you would like to share your thoughts in the religion threads, even though you have already denounced Christianity in the above posts. We can examine the theories you cite more closely and openly in those threads.

If you are here just to "fleece the flock" then perhaps it is time to find greener pastures. Besides we probably will be the
"types" that will be on the front lines when there is a crisis.
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Again, i didn't write that i just copied and pasted the email because it tied in with food sources being tightened. It seems some people here would rather bicker than discuss important issues. By the way, i did not denounce chrisitanity. Far from it. But when we have phonies like our lying president held up as some kind of christian and deceiving many others as the Bible warns about, i just don't jump on every post claiming to be christian in belief. I don't believe in a rapture nor do i believe manna is going to rain down from heaven. Hey if it does for you, great. But i'm more the Joseph warning the Phairo to stock up for those seven bad years a coming.
    
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Dave, you are a futures broker who misquotes Biblical text out of one side of his mouth, and denounces Christianity out of the other. You are the worst of the worst. I'm not bickering, I'm showering!
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Check it out.

Dave Thompsom 1 writes:

"I agree it is a buy. Options perhaps Jan. 2008 would be wonderful."

Not a copy of ANY other post.

Not news.

It's his PERSONAL recommendation about how to get rich by betting that kids starve.
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Dave: I agree with you that there are issues here that are way beyond the obvious. I also agree that it will be difficult for people to prepare if there is nothing to prepare with. Your concerns are about lack of grain is valid. But you certainly have a mixed message here in your posts.

Tearing down the President or the government just isn't the way to go. Educate and edify so people are able to choose for themselves but accusing is what the enemy of our souls does. We are to be above that. Passing judgement on another man's heart will heap judgement upon yourself. Be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove.
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Check it out.

Here are the facts, you judge:

Dave Thompsom 1 writes:

"I agree it is a buy. Options perhaps Jan. 2008 would be wonderful."

Not a copy of ANY other post.

Not news.

It's his PERSONAL recommendation about how to get rich by betting that kids starve.
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Balls in your court Dave.
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Originally posted by Dave_Thompson_1 Dave_Thompson_1 wrote:

Again, i didn't write that i just copied and pasted the email because  I don't believe in a rapture nor do i believe manna is going to rain down from heaven. Hey if it does for you, great.    
 
Well............. MANNA HAS FALLEN FROM HEAVEN via Albert and all the wonderfull,generous people here,blessings every one of you for providing manna for my family!Hug 
 
Don't tell me MANNA WON'T FALL.....
 
As far as the rapture is concerned"every knee shall bow, and every tounge confess" so one day you will be eating humble pie my friend.Wink
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I have to disagree strongly about tearing down a president who is tearing down the government and our republic himself. Here's a person who pretends he's Godly doing everything that is un-Godly. Totally untrustworthy. I believe that those who can not recognize this don't have the truth in them or they don't want it. My interpretation of Biblical laws are to know them by their works. That to me also includes his intentions for using tax money to put flu plans into effect that will hurt us further. We are to judge our so called leaders and call them when they are working against our best interests.
    
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Dave, I don't think that you are going to fit in well around here. 
 
 
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THANK YOU, ALBERT!  I was wondering when someone was going to bring this nonsense to a stop.  Are there any other moderators or admins who can stop threads or boot people off?  I'm sure it is too much to expect you to be monitoring every thread 24/7.  This kind of thread, up at the top of the LATEST NEWS, is a gross injustice to AFT.  Again, thanks.
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Dave, it would be best for you to not be so anti-government. It's not productive or anything. 
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This is disappointing, the title of this post looked promising.  I didn't expect a tabloid article.
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