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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

Albert can you make this post/subject a "sticky" also? You are right we need to track this across the U.S. Can you remind people to put the state or area they are in so we can tract across the Nation for both the Gas Prices and food shortage.

Many people report but we do not know where they are. Southwest/Northeast is fine if people do not want anyone to know what state they are in.

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Thanks for the suggestion Flumom.  We can place it on a sticky for awhile. 
 
 
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I'm in Illinois now, about sixteen miles from St. Louis. Saw gas for $3.49/gallon average. One place had $3.42 and there was a line for about four blocks.
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I'm outside of Kansas City,Ks-Mo it was 3.53/gal but went over to a small town in Missouri and got it for 3.39 I filled up.I drive a 89'ford pickup gas hog but its paid for its ugly but drives good.But putting $50. worth of and not filling up really hurts.
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3.57 in vegas today
r we there yet?
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

My primary car is a 1993 Ford Bronco xlt, and fully loaded of course.  People have been telling me to get a new car for several years, but I suppose I'm too cheap. Although with a 32 gal tank it costs over $100.00 to fill it.   I don't care what they say, I 'm never giving up my Bronco.  Wink 
Oh I gave up my "blue moo" 1986 Ford Bronco and bought a 2006 Crystler Sebring Convertible with 27 MPG and the wind in my hair, LOL, I love it!
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Originally posted by Annie Annie wrote:

Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

My primary car is a 1993 Ford Bronco xlt, and fully loaded of course.  People have been telling me to get a new car for several years, but I suppose I'm too cheap. Although with a 32 gal tank it costs over $100.00 to fill it.   I don't care what they say, I 'm never giving up my Bronco.  Wink 
 
Oh I gave up my "blue moo" 1986 Ford Bronco and bought a 2006 Crystler Sebring Convertible with 27 MPG and the wind in my hair, LOL, I love it!
 
I do own a newer car, but that is mostly for the wife.  I might buy myself a new car this summer.  Although, it's important to note that there is a big difference between the 1986 model and the 1993.  They changed the style of the Bronco in 1992 and they perfected it in 1993.   
 

Ford introduced the Bronco as its first SUV in 1966. It was one of the earliest American made SUVs and broke ground on creating an entirely new market for cars in the US. The Bronco was produced as a mid-size SUV until 1977 without any major modifications to the body or trim. Certain features as power steering, disc brakes, and larger engines were added through they years, but the design changes were subtle. Broncos continued to be produced from 1978 until 1996 as a full-size two door SUV. Today, there is a fairly large market for 1966-1977 Bronco parts and accessories, and many Broncos are being restored or used for offroading or rock-crawling.

1992 saw the redesign of the Ford F series trucks and again the Bronco followed suit,styling canges included a grille with two vertical bars and two horizontal bars,turn singnals were moved under the headlamps and wraped around the sides the parking lights were also moved to the sides,corners were smoother than the previous generation and the hood featured less drop at the front,power mirrors were now an avalible option.

 
 
 
 
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I saw $3.659 (don't you LOVE that 9/10ths thing??) for REGULAR Unleaded (87 octane) at a Sunoco station near I-95 and A1A (near Yulee, FL) last week.  That's the highest I've seen around here.  Other stations closer to home were more in the $3.51 range.  Last night, I noticed the store closest to my house was $3.61.  I have to go pick up my new glasses tonight, so I'll be driving by the Sunoco again - I bet it's around $3.75 now.

The hubster and I both work around 30 miles away (differing directions and diferent schedules - he works shift work, I'm more traditional hours).  Oh - and we have a college-aged daughter who is driving back and forth to the local college every day.  In the fall she's transferring to Florida State (3 hours away).  So she'll probably do the commute home every weekend or every other weekend.  I wonder how long it'd take to drive 30 miles on a moped? 
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It was 3.99 this morning for regular. Northern Cali.
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Grrr! Up again today in Oklahoma to $3.53, this morning it was $3.44, fortunately I filled up before it went up today.
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$3.45 Southern Colorado
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today (monday) i  saw gas prices 3.65, 3.69 and 2.75 in vegas, maybe tomorrow we'll get another .10 increase.
r we there yet?
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http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363

Maybe we've only seen the tip; of  the iceburg.
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Originally posted by LaRo LaRo wrote:

Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck

Big New Shock at the Pump Forecast by Two Analysts

By DAN DORFMAN
Special to the Sun
April 28, 2008

Get ready for another economic shock of major proportions — a virtual doubling of prices at the gas pump to as much as $10 a gallon.

That's the message from a couple of analytical energy industry ****, both of whom, based on the surging oil prices, see considerably more pain at the pump than most drivers realize.  Maybe we've only seen the tip; of  the iceburg. 

Oh MY!
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Originally posted by LaRo LaRo wrote:

http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363

Maybe we've only seen the tip; of  the iceburg.
 
Well, let's hope that these predictions do not come true!
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ROFL! $10.00 gasoline? Extremely doubtful. Even the Saudis don't want it to get that high, there's no money to be made if it's that expensive! The day you see $10.00/gallon at the pump is the day the world economy ends.
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The economy isn't getting any better.  The Fed keeps pumping in new money into the economy causing massive inflation.  Inflation = higher fuel prices.
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Agreed Laro.
 
One thing to think about though: With prices at these levels it's foolish to think that the various oil producing countries aren't pumping as much oil out of the ground as they can, and they're saying that they are running at capacity. Demand is outstripping production by a long shot.
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Russia peaked in production last year.  No new fields have come on line in the middle east in years.  Proven reserves are unreliable since they are still the same as 10 years ago.  Expect more bs on all of this, it's mostly a coverup anyway.
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

ROFL! $10.00 gasoline? Extremely doubtful. Even the Saudis don't want it to get that high, there's no money to be made if it's that expensive! The day you see $10.00/gallon at the pump is the day the world economy ends.


I heard on the news that in Europe they are already paying $9.00 per gallon. They pump in liters but I guess when you convert to gallons they are already paying 9 bucks.

I do not believe the media so if someone knows how to check this out it would be helpful.

Unless we find another method of energy other than oil our children and grand children will be in big trouble.
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They have been paying that much for years though. If you ask my hubby (who is British) it is down to the taxes. I don't know how much it has increased recently, but I can remember even 10 years ago gas was about $7 per gallon.
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Susan/Flumom, they're paying more, but their money is worth twice as much. For the equivalent amount of work they get the same amount of gasoline. I guess a better way to explain this is if everyone's currency was made to be worth the exact same amount, we'd all be paying the same, aside for taxes.
 
Realistically they pay about a half currency denomination more than we do, but that's the price they pay for living in the Socialist utopias. If they don't want to pay the exorbitant taxes they're burdened with over there, they should push for social change and vote for something other than the usual Socialist regimes they've got.
 
Secondly, if you've been to the UK you'll have noticed that everything is very close together. The Entirety of the UK could easily fit in Texas. That's right, their entire country, one state. They just don't have the distances to travel to distribute the food everywhere. A hike in diesel prices there will not impact them quite as much as it will US truckers. US truckers are the reason there's a USA, make no mistake about it. Without our truckers getting the cheaper fuel, there *WILL* be shortages. We're seeing people complaining and there's only been a 1% discrepancy in the amount that's being shipped because of higher fuel prices. Imagine what it'd be like if gas and diesel were $10.00/US gallon. 
 
(Note: I'm not factoring in the fact that agriculture in the UK, when compared to the rest of the world especially the US and Canada is negligable and they're reliant on oceanic shipping for a majority of their food, which uses loads of diesel, and drives food prices higher. Just trucking)
 
With prices in that range, even in the five to six dollars per gallon range, which as recent trends in the market dictate is not beyond the realm of possibilities, we're going to have a serious mega disaster problem on our hands. If that price hit us tomorrow at approximately 0200 CDT, you'd see America go from the world's greatest donator, into isolation and "prep" mode overnight. The rest of the world ends as soon as that happens.
 
They like to pretend that they'd last fifteen minutes without the US to help them along, but the reality is that without the US donating money, food, medical aid to the poorest countries, they're instantly gripped by civil war. Europe might hang on for a while, but they have much the same problem we've got over here: Too much distance between field and plate for truckers to move the food to where it's got to go. China? LOL! Don't make me laugh. They've polluted their ecology to the point I'd be surprised if it *EVER* recovered. and their farming there is little more than local subsistence as it stands now. Imagine them without the imports.
 
The middle East would be real interesting! I'd wager they'd all try to jump on Israel since without the US to back them up they're surrounded by extremely hostile nations who would love nothing less than to rain destruction on them. Too bad for them: Israel has the nuke, and a very real willingness to use it. They'd effectively nuke the entire middle east into the bronze age, and they wouldn't fare any better. This would make the little reserve of oil that's there totally unreachable, further excasperating the situation.
 
In the US, we'd do our best, but we too have got too many people crushed into too small of places. If gas got that high, people starving in the cities and you getting to watch them would be a common experience. Let the price get that high, I dare them!
 
Sleep well with all that in your head!
 
 
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Turboguy...wow. I see you've spent some time pondering the situation at hand! I completely agree with you about the potential ramifications, but I won't go as far as to dare them to let gas get that high. With the way everything is spiraling out of control at the moment, I really wouldn't put anything out of the realm of possibilities. The world is a real mess (gas, food crisis, wars, global warming/natural disasters, civil unrest, etc. etc.) and I think things are going to get much worse before they get better. I just hope it doesn't get as bad as the above scenario!!!

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p.s. The UK landmass is approximately the size of Illinois, with roughly 1/4 the US population (so says my husband anyway, haven't checked it out).
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If the U.S. goes down Turboguy is correct the world will fall apart. Think the Russians are going to save anyone,LOL, they can't keep their own country going without a czar or dictator. Germany and France will do nothing and England is socialist and will have a very hard time. South America will survive because they can grow food, Africa will have all their people killing each other. The Australians will get through they are much like us, tough. China the rich will survive and the poor will die as usual for the past 1,000 years.

At least we can go back to using horses to produce food if we have no oil but let those Arabs eat their oil and sand. Let's see who wins this contest.

That is why we have to keep up on all that is going on because in the middle of all of this the BF will hit...The Perfect Storm is coming.
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Anyway, $3.59 in Fayetteville TX
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Denver - Regular Stations 3.499
       - Discount Stations: King Soopers, Costco 3.409

This is for the unleaded least cost gas.
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We are at $3.58 here in southern West Virginia. Diesel I think is hitting $4.00.
 
 
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$3.69 in Central Wisconsin
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I paid 3.91 in Ca. yesterday. I could'nt bring myself to look at how much it was.
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$3 78 in Indiana,$4.24 for Diesel
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Oil went up to over $120 a barrel today.
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DA TAMORROW DOES OIL GO TO $!25.00?????.DEPRESSION LOOMS....
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You might be right Waterboy. If this trend keeps up we may see $125.00 by the end of the week.
 
it's up $1.22 to $121.12 and gasoline is up 4.5 cents to 3.0984 WHOLESALE and it's only 9:00 AM! This isn't good people. Someone today said that they foresaw $150/barrell by summertime. That translates into $4.50/gallon gasoline WHOLESALE, not even factoring in state and federal taxes and transportation costs. You'll be paying $5.30 at the pump when oil hits $150/barrel.
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Oil nears $121 barrel...

NEW RECORD HIGH...

'May Hit $200' In Next 6 Months...
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I paid $3.69 a gallon today for gas.  $20.00 got me 4.4 gallons, barely enough to get the low fuel light to go off.
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Bloomberg is predicting $200 a barrel oil in the next 2 years.  Then it will kinda ease up since it won't matter to most of anyway, we'll all be bankrupt.
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Bankrupt? We'll have riots in the streets!
 
When people just can't afford gasoline to get to the store, where the shelves are empty because the trucks long since stopped running anyway, there'll be blood.
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Bankrupt? We'll have riots in the streets!
 When people just can't afford gasoline to get to the store, where the shelves are empty because the trucks long since stopped running anyway, there'll be blood.
Oh you are so correct Turboguy!
I remember the gas wars in the early 70s.
What is being talked about now will pale in comparison. Cry
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We paid $3.69 for 89 octane...in notheast Ohio. I wonder at what point does one quit their job or take days off or vacation days so they don't have to drive their vehicles. It's not like many of us who have SUVs or Trucks can even sell them if we wanted to. What a mess. Went to the store and $50 got my 3 little bags of nothing. I'm in SHOCK at the prices for food and gas. Not sure how we are all going to be able to keep going to work AND eat.
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Actually this could be for the best.  With high transportation costs, maybe more jobs will be performed at home .  A small company being faced with the high fuel costs might just reorganize a little and start having more employees work from home.  The savings would work two ways, easier for the employee and the employer wouldn't be under pressure to give a raise to compensate for the high cost of gasoline.  Not only would there be savings in fuel costs, we'd see a savings in work clothes, travel time, management costs (since the employee would be basically his/her own manager, and benefits for the employer, less costly office rent, since they could work in a smaller place.  Savings on heating and AC since you'd be at home and you heat or cool your house when you're not there.  Less wear and tear on the family auto, might even be able to cut back from 2 or 3 to one.  Less day care since a person could work at home and be there when the kids get home from school .  I'm sure this could be a blessing and i only touched the surface on the savings that could happen.
r we there yet?
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A war with Iran would send oil prices soaring.  Could be a big bonus for Iran.  Needless to say, things could get significantly worse before it gets any better.   At this current rate,  we're heading for an "economic disaster" that could dwarf the effects of a recession.   95% of all food production is dependent upon oil and energy, which is probably the real reason for the food shortages and rising prices.   Now, I'm not saying that we're heading for a modern day famine, but we could see quite a few more shortages.  It might be a good time to start buying a few extra preps once again.  Thumbs%20Up 
 
  
 
 
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Excellent advice on the extra preps--I make all of our meals from scratch and we save alot that way--no eating out or convienience meals etc...  Basic food staples and a good garden are the way to go.  I also remember the gas wars in the 70's---this is going to be worse since everything costs proportionately more and just living day to day is a struggle for lots of people already. We had the chance to develop solar way back then too--maybe this will force the issue if it's not too late.
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South Carolina---Just paid $3.26/ gal. Everyone was there getting gas because they know it's going up again this week and it's still relatively low compared to other parts of the country.
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