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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kilt2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2014 at 3:39pm
I never one used that word - someone in the link did.

The point is that when someone dies of Ebola, their body is washed and the water drunk.

That is the truth. Like it or not that is the reality.
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Unless if something got deleted that I didn't see, kilt did not use that word. From what I gather he rapidly posted links where water was discussed and one of those links happened to be a blog containing the water washing thing by someone with the screen name of that word. I surmise that in his rush to provide some links he missed that screen name which I can see how that happened as he probebly didn't actually read the entire blog or comments posted. Still not cool but in his defense I watched the arguement develope and he did not use that word. What happened was the screen named person or commenters name was spelled out with asterick by another AFT member calling him on it and I can see how that caught him off guard and the whole race thing brought up. It should all be up still.
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Don't do those links or use the word - ever.   I heard you wrote it out?   We all make mistakes, but that one is extreme and over the top.  Way over.    Can't believe you actually did that kilt.  You've been here since the beginning.  Knock that crap off. 



I posted a link - I never wrote the word out
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Don't do those links or use the word - ever.   I heard you wrote it out?   We all make mistakes, but that one is extreme and over the top.  Way over.    Can't believe you actually did that kilt.  You've been here since the beginning.  Knock that crap off. 



you heard wrong.

Show me where I wrote that word.

What I did was use a link where someone had that word as their Nick.

Despite that he told the truth - the water used for washing the body is drunk.

What happened to freedom of speech?

I DID NOT USE THAT WORD - I SPOKE THE TRUTH.
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I have been to Africa and I speak some Zulu and am familiar with the practices of the people there.

This is the fact.


(a) To permit the hairs on the head or any other part of the body to be shaved;

(b) To sleep either alone or on the some bed or be locked in a room with corpse of the husband

(c) Not to receive condolence visits from sympathisers during the period of mourning

(d) To be re-married by a relative of the late husband

(e) To sit on the floor or be unclad during any period of the husband’s burial rite

(f) To drink the water used in washing the corpse of the husband

(g) To weep and wail loudly at intervals at any time after the death of the husband, except at one’s own volition or involuntary action;

(h) To remain in confinement after the death of the husband for any given period;

(i) To vacate the matrimonial home;

(j) To do any other thing which contravenes the fundamental rights entrenched in the Constitution or is degrading the person.

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Well, I heard a little otherwise, but we all mess up.  Kilt,  if we allow that in any way then we're going to have a bunch of extremist groups on here out of nowhere, and we dealt with that a decade ago.  We have more important things to deal with and i tend to get the brunt out of those groups attempts.  We can hunt them down and we can have forum wars with them, but keep the door closed on that.  Plus they wouldn't stand a chance.  With things that were said (however anyone defines it) we're crossing lines on what we're all about, including you.  This forum only attracts the best of everybody,  but nothing I can do about this one.

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Originally posted by Kilt2 Kilt2 wrote:

I have been to Africa and I speak some Zulu and am familiar with the practices of the people there.

This is the fact.


<span style="font-family: Signika; font-size: 13px; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(a) To permit the hairs on the head or any other part of the body to be shaved;</span><p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(b) To sleep either alone or on the some bed or be locked in a room with corpse of the husband

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(c) Not to receive condolence visits from sympathisers during the period of mourning

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(d) To be re-married by a relative of the late husband

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(e) To sit on the floor or be unclad during any period of the husband’s burial rite

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(f) To drink the water used in washing the corpse of the husband

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(g) To weep and wail loudly at intervals at any time after the death of the husband, except at one’s own volition or involuntary action;

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(h) To remain in confinement after the death of the husband for any given period;

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(i) To vacate the matrimonial home;

<p style="font-size: 13px; outline: none; font-family: Signika; line-height: 21.0340023040772px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">(j) To do any other thing which contravenes the fundamental rights entrenched in the Constitution or is degrading the person.



Kilt the list you keep quoting is actually A LAW TO MAKE IT UNLAWFUL TO INFRINGE THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF WIDOWS AND WIDOWERS, AND FOR OTHER RELATED MATTERS
ENACTED BY THE ENUGU STATE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY, THIS 8TH MARCH, 2001

The practices you describe in your post are NOT things that happen every day in Nigeria .... this law has been in effect for 13 years.

You mis-quoted this list as things that happen - when in fact the list is things that CANNOT happen.

I'm sure you copied and pasted it from here:-


http://www.nairaland.com/187909/wicked-widowhood-practices-must-abolished
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I think Kilt has a point


just because something has been outlawed doesn't mean it still doesn't happen

and on  a widespread basis


oh

I don't know

for example

murder maybe 

or how about prostitution

or gambling 

or moonshine

that's been illegal for as long as I can remember

yet if ya want some shine

it ain't gonna take you long to find it


AND

your talking about what is still a VERY primitive country

with a weak central government

corruption etc

they can make all the laws they want


it's illegal to set women on fire in Pakistan and India

but it still happens plenty in the rural areas


I've got to side with Kilt on this one




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As Germ_Nerdier posted earlier, Kilt2 did post an article with the "N" word. Why it isn't there now, is because it has been edited/out or deleted from the original post.
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I would have to see the original post 

and the context in which the word was used


Huckleberry Finn

one of the greatest American classics

contains the N word if I remember correctly

it all depends on context

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I know what you are saying Satori...
however there is NO PROOF that these practices happen regularly today.

All the hearsay in the world does not amount to a single shred of proof.

Kilt misquoted the list of practices as ones that occur, when in fact it's a list of prohibited practices. To then use that as evidence to build your case to say 'widows drink the water used to wash the husbands corpse' has no basis of truth or fact.

When writing posts related to a highly emotionally charged topic, we all need to be very careful with the choice of words we use and the insinuations that we make.
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OK Sticks. I just clicked on the correct link. It is still there. It doesn't cantain the word in the heading of the link but once you open it up the word is everywhere and I realize now could not have been missed. Like impossibe. My bad.
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Originally posted by inthesticks inthesticks wrote:

As Germ_Nerdier posted earlier, Kilt2 did post an article with the "N" word. Why it isn't there now, is because it has been edited/out or deleted from the original post.


I read this entire blog last night and he never used that word. He posted a link to a conversation where somebody had that as his logon name. That was it. Some people wouldn't even notice it.
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"I know what you are saying Satori...
however there is NO PROOF that these practices happen regularly today."

and the proof that these practices magically stopped just because the government said so 

would be what???


primitive cultures don't operate that way

they are incredibly resistant to change


an example ???


we've known for decades that washing the bodies of ebola victims was a very dangerous thing to do

yet DECADES later it still is quite widespread isn't it ???

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:


"I know what you are saying Satori...
however there is NO PROOF that these practices happen regularly today."

and the proof that these practices magically stopped just because the government said so 

would be what???


primitive cultures don't operate that way

they are incredibly resistant to change


an example ???


we've known for decades that washing the bodies of ebola victims was a very dangerous thing to do

yet DECADES later it still is quite widespread isn't it ???




Truth is Satori, I don't know, you don't know, and quite frankly, nobody knows... all we have to go on is speculation and blog entries.

This is how urban legends come into being. Before too long the innuendo and repeated gossip get twisted into 'internet fact' and used to prop up peoples arguments.
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Nothing is ever going to be deleted/edited.  If it comes down to that, you're probably also banned.   It's not going to happen. If something has happened, then let's just move forward and you have a valid point.   Although, we might *lock* a thread though at anytime and shoot a private message warning to a person, but that's it.  We might also "hide" a particular post  before releasing it to be viewed in extreme cases, but very rare.  If the thread is locked, it might be then ruthlessly thrown to the Off Topic forum, and possibly reopened.
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