Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 8:56am |
Make no mistake about it, you must prep for the Bird Flu and this is why. I have been around here for over 6 months now and thought I had a pretty good understanding about what is going on in the world concerning bird flu which for me was enough reason to prep. Today I read the revised WHO definition of bird flu symptoms and their criteria for testing. I didn't realize how subjective and dependant upon an initial decision to diagnose and test in the first place which I feel has caused for many infections to go unnoticed and untested. This Bird Flu is more wide spread than has been disclosed so far as evidenced by 3 recent WHO confirmations of infections from many months ago. Due to WHO redefing their definitions, this will only get worse. One good thing though is this will bring into the fold more viral samples for analysis and classification. For any of us here that are still unsure about bird flu and anyone who hasn’t started to prep I invite you to consider these points. *People can be asymptomatic and may unsuspectingly carry the virus for up to 2 days, plenty of time to infect a lot of people without knowing it. *When someone is sick it will then be up to the subjective diagnosis of understaffed overworked doctors or nurses* almost all of whom have never seen avian flu before and most likely will treat the patient for seasonal flu or other more familiar illnesses. Off they go home to recover and possibly infect more people including their familiy *Please I did not mean to undermine or offend our precious medical force it is simply a reality we must expect. *In the event it is suspected that the patient has bird flu, someone will have to decide to test. Testing we have seen takes up to 2 weeks to get a positive confirmation from WHO. Again, plenty more time to possibly infect more people but at this point a quarantine would be enforced. But still that patient has already crossed paths with many people for the past few days prior to getting sick. *Now repeat the above 3 points over and over for every person the first patient crossed paths with for the next 6 - 18 months! IMHO, WHO cannot be relied upon to stop this virus and the best we should expect is for them to respond to an outbreak which most likely will already be out of control. We here on this forum will stand the best chance of seeing a pandemic outbreak in whatever form they manifest before anyone else. But again it will already be too late, the genie will be out of the bottle and the best we can do is just get out of the way before it gets to your town. At that time you will need at least 3 months preps and to put into practice everything you have learned here. |
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Outstanding post Crusier.
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lkay
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Crusier, in your opinion, do you think there will be no time for "last minute" items? Most of what I have, I can justify someday using them, but a few I really didn't want to buy unless there was no doubt.
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ImmuneConcerned
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Prepped but what do you do when husband travels via airplane & kids go to a big enclosed building with lots of other kids for most of a long cold winter? One can require reomval of shoes and showers upon return, try to keep everyone 3 ft apart . . . for how long? I guess it will be just one step in front of the other doing the best I can since everyone voted against me in becoming hermit-like. . . . When they see people dying they probably will change their mind. We will be prepared. I just hope it won't be too late.
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[QUOTE=ImmuneConcerned]Prepped but what do you do when husband travels via airplane & kids go to a big enclosed building with lots of other kids for most of a long cold winter?
immune concerned,,,i am feeling what you say above. i have the same circumstances. husband on a plane at least twice a week, and kids 2 in colleges far away, 2 in public school here. plus,,a housekeeper, once a week for 12 years, who is like family to us,,she depends on our salary,,,but,,she goes home to her family. whatever she would catch, she would bring it in and vice versa, i think i have to have a talk with her that if bf is within sight to me,,i have to let her go =*(
hard all the way around =(
boy oh boy,,things could really change,,in a hurry around here!
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jofg
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I think when the time comes - when the pandemic is starting to roll, those who are watching for it (like those here! ) will see it and know if for what it is. There may be some false starts, but once it gets going, it'll be obvious. That will be the point to make the decision on pulling the kids from school and doing whatever possible to work from home, etc. A likely first step / first sign for me is illness/death in multiple countries simulatneously.
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Perhaps rather than "letting her go" you could offer her three months salary so to isolate your family, herself, and her family. Perhaps the kind effort on your part would pan out in the event of your personal losses you may need to depend on her help again. Just a thougt on a very hard subject.
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For any of us here that are still unsure about bird flu and anyone who hasn’t started to prep I invite you to consider these points. Apply that in part to a strain of TB that is incurable and also spreads through the air. TB is already a Pandemic. How do we protect against all this? People cough, and do not cover. |
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well,,it's complicated. problem one is she works for , and is dependent on many people,,not just me. so she couldn't afford to isolate herself in any circumstances. i pay her 90.00 per one days work a week.
problem two for me,,,honestly,,it is a struggle to pay that, i could never afford to pay her even a month's salary. (we are struggling to pay over 60,000.00 per year in college tuitions and my 3rd child starts college next fall, so we could be paying 90,000.00 a year by then!)
thanks for the thoughts though,,any more ideas,i would love them=)
i got her more jobs in the neighborhood,,and will continue to do so,,so if i had to let her go,,at least i will have helped in a small way.
sigh
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I watched the movie Road to 9/11, I thought thank God I prep, these people are serious. I watched the coverage of the aniversary of Katrina and thought, thank God I prep, this really can happen. I read about the no cure TB and thought who knew, this could happen anytime, anywhere. Last night I watched a discovery channel program on earthqaukes and you got it, lol thank God I prep. I seriousely cant believe in this day and age of dirty bombs, terrorists, nuclear threats, and disease, that it took me this long. Thank you Albert and all of you wise folks, for the wake up call.
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VSTR,
Exactly. If not H5N1, then something else. If not soon, then eventually.
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C,
i do not know about the tests at my hospital. if it takes that long, this is not good. this is not good at all.
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Recently I was VERY concerned about the outbreak in Garut, too many patients testing positive with family on Tamiflu testing neg but still sick, not to mention other victims that died before testing yet with clear connection to postitive patients. I think we may have dodged a bullet on that one.
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Rodin,
I share your concerns. Tamiflu could have a boomerang effect. Tamiflu has been handed out liberally at so many hot spots where the results of it's effectiveness have been largely absent. The known aspect of it's ability to mask test results is what could blind side us with unexpected cause and effect of it's unrestrained distribution of medicate first and test for infection later if at all. We are handing this virus the perfect opportunity to develop resistance in areas that are still fighting infected birds with marginal success. You think you put out the fire yet there are still embers glowing!
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