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Posted: February 10 2006 at 5:10am |
Bird flu kills again, spreads to new country
Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:55 AM ET BAKU (Reuters) - Avian flu was blamed for another death in Indonesia on Friday and spread to a new country after Azerbaijan said the lethal H5N1 strain had been found in wild birds on the Caspian Sea. The virus was discovered in birds in the west African country of Nigeria earlier this week, capping what a senior United Nations official called a devastating spread from southern Asia over the past seven months. Indonesia said a woman being treated for bird flu at a specialist Jakarta hospital had died and another patient was in critical condition. There are fears the virus could mutate to a form where it can spread from human to human, sparking a pandemic in which millions could die. David Nabarro, who heads the U.N. drive to contain the virus, said there was no evidence it had mutated to that point, but added "it's not far away". "I don't want to scare anyone but the truth is this virus is undergoing changes slowly," Nabarro told a gathering of advocacy and humanitarian groups at U.N. headquarters. This warning that nature is giving us has to be heeded But in the seven months between June and last month, "something fairly devastating happened," he said, noting the spread of the disease into Eastern Europe, the Mediterranean, the Middle East and now sub-Saharan Africa. http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNew s&storyID=2006-02-10T115437Z_01_L09218784_RTRUKOC_0_US-BIRDF LU.xml |
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Corn
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Here come the Olympics. I keep screaming it. Nobody listening. Will be the event that puts the final nail in the coffin of spread to every point on earth. Notice how things piked up after haj pilgrims returned home? Now China firing off again with New Years travel. Well wait till after Olympics. Two weeks after Olympics over the pandemic really begins. I hold events and do promotions for part of my lively hood. My gut tells me Olympics. Greece outbreak next door. Arriving just in time. |
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Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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RicheeRich
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It sounds like they don't want to increase the Pandemic Stage number without putting their toe into water first, to see if it causes mass hysteria, or something. At any rate, It's nice of them to give us the advanced warning that they may have to start doing their jobs in the near future. We all need to stay a few steps ahead of WHO, okay? And don't give in to peer pressure from those waiting for official instructions from their government! This thing will be here SOON !! |
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Agreed!!!
Those statements by the WHO are the only warnings we are likely to get in any timeframe that would actually be useful. By the time they change the offical level - the spread will be common knowledge. |
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"We all need to stay a few steps ahead of WHO, okay?" ------------ I agree. 1918 is being repeated and public officials are responding in the same fashion, denial. Nabarro is trying to massage the message, but it is clear the man is still "freakin' out" to quote his words from a Saudi interview. He sees the biological tidal wave on the horizon and it's heading our way. |
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Nick&Elisa
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Hi everyone... My wife Elisa and I are new to the group and very aware of the dangers of this of all this... We are glad that we can get the latest information from this forum.... We have a question has anyone ever seen a computer generated model of how fast a flu pandemic would spread around the world? Is there such a thing or has anyone ever done one? I know there has to be one someplace... Let us know please.
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DOBBS: The decision by the World Health Organization
not to report entry dates into hospital for these victims of H5N1, what's the reason? PILGRIM: It's difficult. There is no stated reason given, and there is ... DOBBS: What is the suspected reason? PILGRIM: Well, the problem is that if the dates are staggered sufficiently, there would be human-to human transition. So that -- you have to see how it how these dates space out to determine whether there is human- to-human transmission. DOBBS: And we have no indication as to why they've chosen to do that? PILGRIM: There are no dates given and no explanation. http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=634&PN=1 |
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Ella Fitzgerald
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Corn, I agree with you. The Olympics could be the incubator that spreads the germs back to the world.
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Corn
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Somebody said the WHO is updating thier site recently. Are they getting ready to make an announcement?
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Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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bruss01
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Nick, I read recently that the rocket scientists at Los Alamos National Labs ran a simulation on their supercomputer. Their best guess is first cases to full-blown epidemic in 2-3 weeks. On a more mundane level, just for kicks, I wrote a very simplistic simulation of my own. It assumed that a person would go from infected on day 1, becomming contagious on day 3, and isolated (bedridden, hospitalized or dead) on day 6. It assumed that each person would pass the illness to 3 other people each day they were contagious, so 9 people alltogether. This would not consider every person they infected while bedridden for simplicity's sake. I think these were reasonable estimates, and some would criticize them as too conservative. It took 21 days to go from "patient 0" to nearly 15 million infected using these parameters. Ah! Here's the link to the Los Alamos Supercomputer Infuenza Simulation: "So Germann set to work creating flu scenarios to augment Longini's NIH work. With nearly 300 million agents representing every man, woman, and child in the US, EpiCast doesn't bother to track minute-by-minute behaviors as EpiSims does. Instead, Germann puts his computing power to work detailing how slightly different parameters - various antivirals or different isolation policies, for instance - have slightly different national repercussions. So far, the project has run about 200 simulations of an avian flu epidemic, models that have helped Longini's group reach provocative conclusions that fall along two lines: how a nationwide outbreak might take hold, and what policies would best combat it. EpiCast reveals that, in contrast with flu epidemics of decades past, an outbreak today won't progress "like a wave across the country," spreading from town to town and state to state. Instead, no matter where it erupts - Seattle, Chicago, Miami - it will swiftly blanket the nation. "It starts in Chicago one day," Germann says, "and a couple of weeks later it's everywhere at once." Thank the airlines. Even though disease has piggybacked on air travel for decades, we generally had only isolated outbreaks of low-transmission viruses - like when SARS leapt from Hong Kong to Canada in 2003 but failed to spread beyond Toronto. In an epidemic of a highly communicable disease, the airlines' hub network would effectively seed every metropolitan area in the country within a month or two - and then reseed them, repeatedly." Edited by bruss01 |
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The Max Planck Institute in Germany did some analysis on
this as well and came to similar conclusions. I think they used non-linear dynamics. Problem is, nobody seems to know how many strains we'll be dealing with. I'm not sure if that would skew the data. Latest from a WHO scientist, says only one strain is causing the problems while others are saying, four with a possible 5th depending on genetic analysis of the Nigerian outbreak. Anyway you look at it the answer isn't nice. The Perfect Viral Storm. Edited by Rick |
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Hi everyone I just got on and this is terrible news
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I work at an International corporation where people are traveling constantly...the only thing I've asked for is a work continuity plan. I don't think they'd let me know who's recently back from travel if I asked. This is getting a little SPOOKY! I guess even a trip to the grocery store under these conditions could put anybody at risk; a lot of people travel these days. It sounds like with all of our preps we just have to hope & pray that we aren't affected by the BF. I don't even have my Pneumonia shot yet, not till Feb 20th....another week away! YIKES!
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Hi everyone, Greetings from your newest member from Australia. Absolutely thrilled to find such an informative site with intelligent input from all VIP Members, Moderators especially Rick, SophiaZoe and great to have input from the Dr Niman. --- Keep it going, great job. Being watching BF and developments since Sept 2005 --- It's a cunning virus, slowly spreading throughtout Asia, Europe and now Africa - Mutating as it goes.... I voted 4 on WHO status --- About time WHO at WHO got their act together. Anyhow, whilst my friends in the CANADA and USA sleep yours truly can contribute input from a different time zone. Regards to all Edited by rowee |
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It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious. (A. N. Whitehead, British Philosopher 1861 - 1947)
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Welcome on board, Rowee! Glad to have folks from Australia. -- Libby
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hi Rowee, welcome
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Glad you're on board, rowee. We look forward to your reports on what's
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Flu me once, shame on you......
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Glad you're here rowee
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May God protect us all.
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UN says pandemic is 2 mutations away.... http://tinyurl.com/ax526 |
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Corn
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The virus has amazingly apeared after the start of the Olympics. Damn politicans!
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Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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lol - corn corn corn - you got it right dude this article is the one that caught my attention today after my buddy emailed it to me along with the website information. i just read that the WHO is not backing up the guy that said it was only 2 mutations away. figures. |
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Good Day Bruss01, Thank you for your insite and link. My Wife and I felt that the numbers would be something like this. Thanks again..... |
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