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johngardner1 
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 Posted: March 23 2008 at 7:39am |
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Medclinician - pennicillin comes from moldy bread. If we can plant wheat and make bread, we have a supply of medicine. If we can plant willow trees, that means analgesic. If we can plant poppies (don't know where to find them myself) we have a powerful narcotic.
Someone, hopefully, will have marijuana seeds. If we plant and let them go to seed, in five years we'd not only have the medicine, we'll have fiber for clothes. Anyone here know how to make thread?
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 11:39am |
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johngardner1
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 12:19pm |
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Pennicilin is mold from bread according to my reading. Very small amounts are necessary. |
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 12:27pm |
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 12:59pm |
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If you make clothes out of hemp and they look goofy, can you burn them and feel better about the whole situation? Just wondered. |
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johngardner1
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 3:00pm |
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Given the time period, I doubt that it will be difficult to repeat the experiment, but I will research some more. If we can make medicine, it will save lives during a time period when doctors no longer exist. We need to be able to ferment, or there is no antispectic alcohol, aside from drinking alcohol most people are going to want (I am ten years clean myself).
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 6:35pm |
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 4:01am |
To make antiseptic style alcohol you will need a still, to make pure alcohol from fermented you need a freezer and a lot of booze, ie if you put a gallon of wine into a large plastic container and freeze it, the water freezes and leave the alcohol slightly thicker, you pour this off into another plastic container and refreeze, repeat procedure five or six times until you dont have any ice crystals the result is just over a quarter of a pint of pure alcohol. Sorry cant tell you want percentage proof but I have done this when a batch of wine hasn't been up to scratch and used the end results to make liquors instead, it is a lot of work for little produce.
I wouldnt use the end product for sterilizing equipment, much easier to either use a pressure canner/autoclave or a long and steady boil.
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johngardner1
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 4:49pm |
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We don't need to mass produce even if our survival group has hundreds of people. All we need is the basic substance.
That's a slick way to make antiseptic, I'll remember it.
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 8:38pm |
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Darn John, you're serious about this stuff... I'm still stuck back at the idea of 33 pairs of people pairing off, lol. |
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 9:22pm |
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I'm having trouble with the thought of perfectly good liquor being used to clean things... |
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 3:20pm |
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If you want to seriously form a survival group, I would wait until we're about 90 days into a Panflu so you can get an accurate idea of where everything is heading, and if it's needed.
Otherwise, we have the AFT survival group already ready. If anyone has an emergency during a Panflu, just simply post an emergency "Help" message here on AFT and the members who reside in the neighboring cities (close to you) can perhaps provide assistance. Whether you need help with emergency protection issues, or if you need food, we can all work together. With as many people on this site who already have firearms, God help the bad guys if someone here calls for help.
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 3:30pm |
 You got that right!!!
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johngardner1
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 3:59pm |
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I'd like to be a member of the AFT survival group Albert.
It's not that I'm serious, although I think this is a serious situation, I'm simply providing what I have to offer, which is some medical training. In cooperation with medclinician and the others, I'd like to make us a little pharmacy with a lot of everything.
In my opinion, bandaids and things like that will be easy to obtain, but as the months go by most of the meds are going to go bad. That means we >must< provide ourselves with as much supplies as possible by learning how to make what we need. Moldy bread will give us antibiotics, but remember that many bacteria are resistant, but we still need to have them for what little they offer. I doubt alcohol-based antispectics will go anytime quick. If we can grow poppies, (presuming we can find them cuz heroin is illegal) we'd have a powerful narcotic. Moms used to provide sick family members with poppy juice not too long ago. It's not a cure but can help make symptoms more bearable.
If anyone here knows where to get willow tree seeds speak up now, we need the aspirin.
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 4:08pm |
It's fine to plan for a Doomsday scenario. I actually find some of the things you're suggesting interesting, and at times it's even a little entertaining. a/i news is slow right now and there's nothing wrong with having a little fun in planning for the worst.
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 4:15pm |
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I can see our role in a pandemic as being much more than just a current news source. It would be good to use this site in a pro-active way in which we all actually get involved.
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 6:01pm |
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I've thought about that, Albert. Instead of just hiding out and worrying only about my immediate family, I'd considered getting an information pack together for friends and coworkers to help with last minute preps. I'm sure we've all found prepping to be a learning experience - I know in my case I've changed directions a few times when, with a little experience and hindsight, I realised I was not doing it as efficiently as possible. What food preps to buy and how to store them, water preps, medical supplies, lighting, heating, cooking - if you only had days or at most, weeks of warning, how would you go about prepping from scratch for the long haul? I've already decided that openly advertising the fact that I'm prepping is dangerous, but I thought at the very least I could help to point people in roughly the right direction so they wouldn't come knocking on my door when it hits.
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 7:32pm |
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Your neighbors will not have to know you are prepping. When they get hungry they are coming to check anyway. Will people sit and starve and say, "Oh, there's nothing to eat over there." They are coming to look. Or strangers are coming in which case you will need the neighbors to help with your defense. Surround yourself with prepared people.
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 10:14pm |
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I am hoping that this pandemic will not be as bad as we imagine. LOL if it does not get bad. We will be eating this food and not have much of a food bill for a while.
However, I believe Albert is correct. Wait 90 days see who comes out of this alive and how dangerous this really gets. We at AFT are hard core dooms day people. Things may not get as bad as we think if people isolate themselves for 2-4 weeks and we can break the cycle. Keep Prepping. I have a long list and every week I keep crossing off a few more items. Pretty soon I will have most everything except the last minute stuff. Keep the faith we will make it thought this BF thing!! |
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Posted: March 26 2008 at 4:30pm |
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True, it does not have to be doomsday. We might see 40% deaths, which will leave a simply majority alive to continue the economy.
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Posted: March 26 2008 at 4:40pm |
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jacksdad: Ive been thinking of the same thing. To put together an Emergency Plan. Just have never gotten around to it. I even have a bugout location in case family members need to flee the city.
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Posted: March 30 2008 at 7:28am |
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Following up medclinicians posts on the troubles of his hometown...
The flu, if it's here, is silent in Seattle. Nobody I know is sick. Nobody I know really has been sick in months, except for one person who is the boyfriend of one of my friends named Nancy, he was sick but has recovered. Nothing like this disease that is lasting for weeks and weeks, except one lady I mentioned who had been sick that long, but she's fine now. I myself haven't had a cold in years.
The formation of the AFT survival group is here. Like the stand we need to have a place to rendezvous. Without giving up your private info, which was an issue with flumom I think, we must select a place that everyone can find that will support our group. We have to do this soon, medclinician is in danger of dying and that means we lose our RN. If he stops posting, after having been such a frequent user of ATF, we must suspect the worst. Then it falls on the rest of us to report as things happen.
I went to radio shack yesterday and downtown was as busy as usual. |
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