MORBID SUBJECT BUT WHAT IF...

This really is a morbid subject, but it went through my mind also what to do
if a family member died. I live in central London so it's going to be difficult
in such circumstances. I think our govt. have marked out some deep freeze/
cold stores all over Uk for just this eventuality. It's difficult to comprehend
another 1918 version of events. In the UK we concern ourselves (well a very
few of us at this moment, masses very sceptical) with eating. I notice that in
the US shooting and guns are high on your priority lists!

peace

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harpmandoodle quote:

I notice that in
the US shooting and guns are high on your priority lists!

peace

A lot of people in the US know that ITSHTF they will be on their own.  In my opinion self-protection should be high on anyones list of priorities.  Food is #1 - protecting your family is #2 from those that didn't do #1.  BTW - isn't the crime rate per capita much higher in England than it is in the US?  Aren't Londoners getting mugged and their doors kicked in on a rather regualr basis?  What do you think is going to happen in London when law and order falls by the wayside and the people start to riot and take on a mob mentality and gangs start going on a rampage looking for food?  Do you think the burning cars recently in Paris won't happen in your neck of the woods.  Perhaps  all those crazy American 'cowboys' won't seem quite so foolish as they appear in relative times of peace.  In times of chaos - peace runs away real fast.  I'm sure you watched what happened with Katrina.  It will happen in London also ITSHTF.  Thank God most states in this country still believes a person has the right to protect themselves and their family instead of being at the mercy of 'those poor criminals'.   Perhaps England will 'weather the storm' in peace and plenty for all.  Best of luck if it turns out that way. But in my opinion I would opt on the side of being prepared to protect my family if  things head south in a hurry.  Perhaps you folks are more 'civilized' than we are over here, and will handle a crises in an organized fashion.  I doubt we will.  People here will be running around like a chicken with it's head cut off, screaming and yelling, and pooping all over the place.

Ooops!  ixnay on the screaming and yelling part.  Replace with gurgling and spouting.
 

Doug-  Most excellent.  Monty Python proves my point.  England will be rather civilized and handle things rather well - while we on the other hand................

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I don't think it's morbid, death is really just the end of life and we will all die.  Need to have a plan in order just in case...there is a thread that lists how to bury the dead somewhere on here - good info there just click till you find it...

mightymouse wrote:   BTW - isn't the crime rate per capita much higher in England than it is in the US?  Aren't Londoners getting mugged and their doors kicked in on a rather regualr basis?  What do you think is going to happen in London when law and order falls by the wayside and the people start to riot and take on a mob mentality and gangs start going on a rampage looking for food?  Do you think the burning cars recently in Paris won't happen in your neck of the woods.

Dont know exact details on the crimerate, we have less gun-crine here but thats because there are less guns (but an ever icreasing amount, it has to be said).

I think the different attitude to guns is the biggest difference. There is no huge gun-owning culture her, no right to arms, and indeed most people arent allowed to own a gun. Even most of the police still arent armed (though again this is slowly changing).

So the UK attitude towards guns is quite different, but I think a lot of people still want to protect themselves. Occasionally someone here shoots a burglar, and it causs large nationwide debates that obsess the media, and just the other year there was an attempt to clarify what reasonable force we are allowed to use to defend ourselves.

Anyway Im sure its all far more complex than I could say in text on a forum, and I have to bear in mind that I am not American, all I know about the subject is from your TV, movies, and in recent years talking to people on the internet. It seems there is some sort of 'were on our own' mentality, some crossover between that and the idea of militias, then there are the far right militia people who want rid of the feds and spend some time on the internet wibbling about world government. Or occasionally someone goes too far in their shed of survival, causes a standoff with the cops, and may be shot in controvertial circumstances. I guess this is a relative minority, and there are larger groups of people with guns for their own protection that arent involved with that sort of thing though. Anyway this is just my very primitive understanding of some of the issues.

So anyway yeah England is no stranger to riots, and shootings do happen. But its beyond most people to ever think about owning a gun, if it comes down to street warfare I guess those who want to fight will find alternatives. I still think the government worries about this stuff a lot, both here and in the USA, and they will watch this stuff closely and be ready to take strong action. There are far too many powerful people with an interest in maintaining the status quo, even in the event of a pandemic, they wont take their eyes off the ball.

Sorry i am still confussed.

Can i or can i not bury the misses under the patio?

Just not next to the septic  system. 

Where could I find that post? Sure would like to read it. Thanks. Rocky

outsidethecamp wrote: First off, I want to thank you Doug for the post entitled "Grieving at Home in Flu Scenario" that you posted on anoter discussion.  Good info. SNIP Peggy

Albatross, Albatross, Albatross on a stick
Get your Albatross here......

Here in Canada, BC at least, we can't bury a dog or cat in our yards.

Psst don't tell anyone but my last two cats are buried here.  The one died, eight weeks before we moved and my dear Hubby had buried her with the idea of digging her up at a later time to bring her with us, so he used  heavy plastic garden bags.  He did and I am very glad, not many people know.

 

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Thank you  Siameselade for  giving us that link.   Lord willing, we won't have to  use this info., but  just in case, I printed it off

Peggy in MN

Just a thought - If are next of kin getts it then 99% probability we would be next.

Any tips of how to bury yourself alive if ur the last man standing ?

SophiaZoe wrote: Well, in my state (USA) it is legal to bury someone on your private property even in normal times.  The area must be designated as a grave and a permit obtained though. I already have my place picked out. SZ

Sophia,

While it might be legal to bury someone on your own property in your State, I'm willing to bet they would require a notification of death and a properly filled out death certificate first. 

In the case of a BF epidemic, I'm sure that if there's no one available to pick up the bodies, then no one would likely object to a backyard burial as a temporary solution. However, once this this is over and things get back to normal, I'm willing to bet all those bodies would have to be dug up for an official accounting, investigation and  death certificate. Once they're satisfied with the cause of death, those same bodies would be  released to the families for proper burial or other form of disposal.

siameselade wrote: dig a hole beside your loved one, get a blanket naaaaaaaaaaaaa  Just kidding I don't know. We also have four pets that depend on us. What happens to them?  Do they start to eat our remains and then die of it too. Bird is in her cage, no hope there. How do you ask others to come in too get them.  Then they are exposed     The cat in my pic is my little female named COCO we also have a male named Sully

Siamese lady,

You're right, if your family all die together in the house and if your pets are still in there with you.........they will eventually begin to eat the bodies to survive. If they're lucky and they begin to eat you in the winter, then they'd likey survive awhile cause the cold weather would act as a refridgerator and preserve your remains. If it's in the summer, then once your body turned bad, your animals would die from tainted meat as they fed off you.

Trust me, pets will eat your remain............... I saw it happen once.

"It's not unrealistic to assume that the normal "rules of
engagement" will be altered temporarily or for some time to come."

I was counting on that happening.