Facts on Flu vaccination - Event Date: September 30 2012 - September 30 2013

Elver wrote: Turbo,   The data points to the FACT that flu shots for healthy adults do nothing.  You will get the flu anyway and simply blame it on the shot not protecting you from the right flu.   If there are bad things in sex then it has surely more to do with you than me.

bull****e

Plants crave electrolytes, Brawndo has electrolytes, Brawndo has what plants crave! What are electrolytes? They're what they use to make Brawndo! But plants crave water! I've never seen no plant growing out of no toilet!

Plants crave Brawndo.

This is a circular argument with someone that is either genuinely misled or actually ignorant. Every time this topic comes up the anti vaccine people are resoundingly trounced, and you come back with the same garbage argument.

Mahshadin posted what I like to call facts and destroyed your argument on mercury level.

So if the shot will not protect you from the Flu, how many different strains go around the world per year?

Bearing that in mind, how many strains do they include in said shot?

If they include three strains, let's say, H1N1, H1N2 and H1N3 and everyone gets the shots protecting them from those three, but H1N4 is what goes around because nobody is protected from that, did the vaccine work?

Elver

If you were truly concerned about Mercury levels you wouldn't be talking about vaccines which you only get once a year and you have the option should you choose to get one without. You are being mislead by people who take a tidbit fact and then use it to further their agenda my misrepresenting the facts which is whats going on here.

 

Mercury levels have been on the rise for more than 50 years a 30% increase and is going up fast, is this because of vaccines, of course not you are trying to make this the problem and if you broke it down it would be less than 1/2 of 1/2 of 1% of the problem. But this is what people with an agenda do, take a smidgen of fact and twist it up down all around to fit there agenda. If you were really concerned about Mercury exposure and ill health affects than you would be much more concerned about coal and boiler fired plants around the world which account for 70 % of the rise in mercury in our environment. These facilities throw up massive amounts of mercury in to the atmosphere which in turn settles on our land, fresh water lakes and streams, and a large amount ends up in the oceans. Once on the land and in our lakes and rivers microorganisms take up the inorganic substance and convert it to methyl mercury (That's the really toxic one for humans and animals). From there it makes its way up the food chain via animals and plants and ultimately on to your dinner plate. This is an actual problem that actually is a measurable problem (Wheres the Outrage). Instead you come on here and squawk about a vaccine which would account for an amount that's not even worth mentioning when discussing the actual problem of toxic methyl mercury which is growing year in and year out, thus committing a form of slow suicide for  our children and grandchildren and all future generations.

 

But hey lets talk about vaccines YUP That's the problem!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Theres a couple other things I would like to address about this thread as well and I even think some of them were made by so called Health Professionals.

 

First the comments about actual Flu deaths, anyone with half a brain and has been following any actual research on this subject knows full well that it is not the flu that kills people. It is the medical conditions or organ failures caused by the flu that take people out (ARDS, Pneumonia, and others) and ultimately are the cause of death. This is well known and well documented and accepted fact by the entire medical community across the world. Again this is an agenda based conversation that takes a smidgen of facts twists it up down and all around till they get the conversation they want to prove the agenda they started out with before it began. And I would also add that it is absolutely shameful for anyone who has actually been trained as a Medical Professional to come on here fear mongering the facts in this way. I trust most of you who have been on here since the beginning and have read the actual medical findings on this subject quickly identified this as Fear Mongering and an outright Twisting of facts for an agenda based outcome.   Again (SHAME ON YOU)!!!!!!

 

Second is this BS that vaccines don't stop or cure the flu. This is just another example of twisting of actual facts in to an agenda based conversation. No one ever said that a flu vaccine was the cure, not once not ever. And that is not the purpose of the vaccine. If you have followed flu vaccine facts and research you would know this as I bet most of you on this board for any length of time do. The vaccine is intended to invoke an immune response in the body thus creating antibodies so your body will recognize and begin the process of healing before it gets out of control and kills you. Now that's an over simplification but it is factual in the way it works and was intended. Anyone trained in the Medical profession should know this and if you don't its time for you to get out and find a different career, maybe conspiracy theororist I hear theres a lot of money in that profession and even schools popping up around the country!!!!!      Again Shame On You

 

 

 

OK

I have said my peace on this subject and that will be the last comment on this I will make. If you continue to be fear mongered that's your chioice!!!!!

Mahshadin,

According to your "actual report" I'm left in disbelief that you may not have even read this!

interpret. The few remaining studies, which provide the highest quality of evidence to assess the true impact of influenza vaccines, have found a level of protection lower than that often attributed to the vaccine."

Dangers listed below are deemed to be acceptable unless of course it happens to you!

"Concern has been raised regarding the risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) following influenza vaccination as a result of the increased rates of GBS seen in 1976 during the swine flu vaccine campaign (see below). GBS is a relatively rare neurologic disorder that can occur as a complication of certain conditions, including some infections."

 

"In the spring of 2010, an increased rate of febrile seizures was detected in Australia and New Zealand in children younger than 5 years of age who had received the seasonal influenza vaccine produced by CSL Limited.21,22 This vaccine was used primarily in Australia and New Zealand"  (as a result it was recommended that it not be used in children under age 8 AFTER THE FACT!)

 

"In the fall of 2010, an increased rate of narcolepsy was observed in several EU countries among persons receiving the A(H1N1)pdm09 influenza vaccine.30The vaccine, Pandemrix, an adjuvanted vaccine, was manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline and used only in Europe, although a similar vaccine was used in Canada.31"

 

Of course the summary depicts that vaccines as safe except in rare instances.  (How would you like to be one of those unlucky people and end up having something horrible simply because you are a healthy person who didn't want to bother with having the flu for 3 days?)

 

How would you have liked to receive Baxter's vaccine with live H5N1 in it? 

 

It's clear that we both have different risk tolerances here and nothing I can say will change your mind, so by all means get yourself vaccinated!  I think they sum it up nicely:

 

"Despite this excellent safety record, the legacy of the three unusual adverse events outlined above (particularly 38 the absence of a cause for the increased incidence of GBS associated with administration of H1N1 vaccine in 1976) demonstrates the importance of ongoing population-based adverse event monitoring for new influenza vaccines as they become available."

 

Be their guinea pig if you want to, but I'm not being "conned" by anyone!

Turbo,

All this debate is great but read what Suzi16 wrote today:

"Me, Hubby, 4 grandkids and their parents all had it Thanksgiving week. We fell like dominos. Hubby and 1 grandchild was tested. Type A. Hubby was the sickest. Got Tamiflu within 48 hours on Sat, was a little better by Wed and thought he was dying on Thur. Got a z-pac just in case and was better by Mon. Dr said to get the vaccine because we can still get Type B."

I have a friend that was out 10 days with the flu and she couldn't get the vaccine fast enough because her Doc said the same thing Suzi16's Doc said. My friend was like lots of you, "I never get a flu shot." Bet she will get one early next year!

Many doctor's push getting the vaccine, but don't get it themselves.