Does the Obamacare website really matter?

I don't think that this ACA really matters in the grand scheme of things.

Taxman wrote: If you are one of the 52,500,000 people in the US that does not have insurance and don't have the chance to see a doctor or get vaccinations, and screenings for health issues then it matters.  If you are any other person in the US, and the current cost of health care per ca-pita is twice what other countries cost, and this causes our products to not to be competitive in the world  then it matters.  If you are one of the people that morally believe that people with lower incomes and social status deserve a basic level  health care and education just like the middle class receive it matters.  If you are one of the 4 million people per month in this country that are downsized or laid off and end up without insurance it matters.  America is in decline because we are acting like a poor country, not because we are a poor country. We have million of hard working people under employed.  We are suffering from a lack of demand not lack of supply in this country.  Do you really think that America is better off with more sick and uneducated people then the rest of the developed would?  That somehow that gives the US a Competitive advantage?  I think that is nonsense.

Spot on!

What a crock full of bull med, get off your high horse and try being a part of the solution instead of falling for the same old radical BS machine

I'd like to see you on a classroom with 40-50 students, they would eat your sorry little ars alive, and by the way those tests your talking about are many hours long and have to be taken over and over again

Oh excuse me you live in that perfect little world with other perfect humans

What a joke!!!!!!!!

NO.  The health care system in the US has been broke for a very long time and something other then nothing had to be done.  The free market is suppose to drive costs down and quality up how it that working for you?   When was the last time you shopped for the least expensive health care in the ambulance?    Insurance companies respond by offering health care to low risk people and then cut them loose when they became ill or were denied treatment.  

There continues to be a debate with critics stating that Obamacare is not a feasible plan  and the supporters of the administration insist it will. Still, reviewing what is on the net, fixing the site will not fix a system which is by design, is not doable.

Let's hope for a miracle that faith will be restored in the administration and a plan which is criticized by a vast number in the industry, will work. Many in positions of deciding who will be cancelled, as well as by doctor's across the United States, say Obamacare is not going to work.

Prepare.

Medclinician

The Doctors, Nurses and Entire Medical System must be dissolved. Set all of these bastards
free. Relieve them all, of their empty services. Give individuals and their families a right to live and be healthy, on their own terms!

Taxman wrote: NO.  The health care system in the US has been broke for a very long time and something other then nothing had to be done.  The free market is suppose to drive costs down and quality up how it that working for you?   When was the last time you shopped for the least expensive health care in the ambulance?    Insurance companies respond by offering health care to low risk people and then cut them loose when they became ill or were denied treatment.         Businesses provide their workers health care as a tax free benefit but continue to shift more costs onto the employee. Or lay off the oldest workers to cut costs.  Eventually job supplied health care will go the way of the define benefit pension plan.     Emergency rooms have became the poor's primary care subsidized by the insured.  Emergency care is not a effective treatment facility for chronic conditions.   Courts are filled with bankruptcies and more costs are placed on the insured.     A few sound bites of freedom for all the American way, apple pie Blah Blah, does not change the fact that the US health care per-ca-pita (that is cost divided by the total US population) is twice as expensive per person then the next highest cost country.  Yet we have a lower life expectancy, and more chronic illness.  Yes part of the problem is life style, but a lousy expensive health distribution system is also part of the problem.  And no it is all the immigrants fault.  The fact that it works for some is not good enough. And the fact that it was working for fewer people over time required action.   Bitch all you want but it can't be any whose then what we already have.  And if for some reason it is worse, then switch to a single payer type plan that works everywhere else.  I know I know you would rather live where there is no Government. OK which weak Government country would you rather live in?  Name one!

Taxman wrote: NO.  The health care system in the US has been broke for a very long time and something other then nothing had to be done.  The free market is suppose to drive costs down and quality up how it that working for you?   When was the last time you shopped for the least expensive health care in the ambulance?    Insurance companies respond by offering health care to low risk people and then cut them loose when they became ill or were denied treatment.

No, so we should just cut everyone else off their insurance or charge them three times as much to cover the minority.

I never had to shop around, I have a good job that gives me insurance, which I am going to lose when the employer mandate kicks in and boots the majority off their insurance.

What you koolaid drinkers fail to realize is that the catastrophe we are seeing right now is the nice parts of this law. When the employer mandate kicks in and the insurance companies are forced to start canceling policies that don't meet 0bamacare muster, a wide majority of them, it's going to get ugly.

Taxman wrote: ]Businesses provide their workers health care as a tax free benefit but continue to shift more costs onto the employee. Or lay off the oldest workers to cut costs.  Eventually job supplied health care will go the way of the define benefit pension plan.

Yes, because of this onerous job killing legislation.

So let me get this straight: forcing those who pull the cart to pay more than they're paying now, typically on the order of five or more times, is an economically viable alternative to what they had before?

taxman wrote:  Emergency rooms have became the poor's primary care subsidized by the insured.  Emergency care is not a effective treatment facility for chronic conditions.   Courts are filled with bankruptcies and more costs are placed on the insured.

Are you kidding? Under this legislation, we are all going to be poor.

You're right, it's not. Neither is forcing those same costs you're talking about onto everyone at the point of a gun. If this law is such a godsend, where's that whole $2500 savings we were all supposed to see? Your problem here, communist, is that you have a fundamental failure to grasp math. It doesn't farking work for people with preexisting conditions, the elderly and the fat arses to be paying the same amount as I do when I am literally the pinnacle of fitness. In order to make up for it, they're going to have to charge all of us more, and in my and people like my case, on the order of $5000 extra per year. So I have to be charged close to ten thousand dollars a year for you to have insurance? I can cover that. I make enough, though it's going to put quite a dent in my disposable income. You know, the stuff I spend to keep the economy rolling, which it isn't soon. But that's just me. The rest of the middle class isn't nearly as skilled and valuable for my skill so don't get paid nearly as much. They're going to have to live on as little as $100 a month because of this law.

Taxman wrote: A few sound bites of freedom for all the American way, apple pie Blah Blah, does not change the fact that the US health care per-ca-pita (that is cost divided by the total US population) is twice as expensive per person then the next highest cost country.  Yet we have a lower life expectancy, and more chronic illness.

Oooooh! Hyperbole!

And next you're going to cite infant mortality rates and say Cuba has a better track record than we do. Both of which are largely discredited by the way. We have the absolute worst diet, the second only to the lard asses in Qatar levels of obesity, and it's only getting worse.

Perhaps you should look more at how those statistics are figured, because if it is the same across the board, I've yet to see that data.

Yes part of the problem is life style, but a lousy expensive health distribution system is also part of the problem.

Lousy? Seriously if you actually believe that, you're a misanthropic moron. We have the best healthcare system in the world. Having the government pay for it does not a good system make. And I'll turn your last idiot comment around on you, if it's so much better elsewhere, why don't YOU go there.

Bitch all you want but it can't be any whose then what we already have.  And if for some reason it is worse, then switch to a single payer type plan that works everywhere else.  I know I know you would rather live where there is no Government. OK which weak Government country would you rather live in?  Name one!

What's actually going on here is people like you want something for nothing from those of us with gainful employment.

And from the individual mandate alone, it seems that the original system was significantly better than the system we are going to. Argue, bitch, and pull out your Free Schit army card all you want, the law is a disaster and it's going to cost us all three to four times what it did prior.

And now you want to go to a single payer plan? Why didn't you commies try to get that from the beginning? I'm absolutely sure you, being the good little communist you are, will happily diarrhea at the mouth about how much money is wasted by the military industrial complex and government waste. Well I will agree with you because I work for the government and the amount of fraud, waste, and abuse is not only breathtaking, it is well known and documented, and you actually think that allowing the medical services to suckle at the teet of government is going to not make the whole system go from expensive, to absurd once the .gov is footing the bill? You're delusional.

Does Obamacare matter? You bet it does. It matters that 5 million people and counting have lost their health care. It matters that rates are going up and even more people cannot afford it. It matters that people are being forced to use web sites with security rated a 1 on a 10 point scale were Amazon easily gets a 10. It matters that the President has lied to and continues to lie to the American people about all of the failures. And where it really matters is that failed Obamacare breaks the heart of people who are desperate to find health care - - what do they have left? Not much if anything.

The key idea here is whether  the website is that  important  versus the final prognosis for Obamacare. The back end of the website sending out specifics to the insurance companies and doctors is still unclear to many. If the system is innately flawed however skillful its implementation--and it certainly is not going all that well as we approach Christmas--the actual availability of healthcare may suffer a severe hit while the cancellation of current plans will continue.

This is not a flight of reason or a delusion. We approach a situation similar to Iraq's statement there were no troops in Baghdad as you could see tanks thundering in the background on one foreign ministry clip. Denial.

Denial can be a pretty effective tool. It resulted in Auschwitz (Auswitch) as  Adolf Hitler practiced the "Big Lie" technique in terms of the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously." Hitler asserted the technique was used by Jews to unfairly blame Germany's loss in World War I on German Army officer Erich Ludendorff.

https://auswitch.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/the-history-of-the-auswitch/

Nowadays Auswitch is worldwide know as a site of the largest mass murder in the history of humanity because Nazis established there the biggest complex of concentration camps.

Comment: The point here is that when the media reaches a point where deliberate and damaging lies to the American people cause havoc during the Christmas season, this is a crisis.

No amount of name calling or mudslinging or blatant untruths can obscure the truth forever.  Almost all of the promises over the current administration have not been fulfilled. Now we see the roll-out of the flagship of promises to the American people to give them GOOD medical care which keeps trying alternate big lies to convince them they will receive.

Conclusion: I would hope the system will work. There is no victory in seeing the collapse of the medical system as we approach an Ice Age versus Global warming and an icy and massive storm sweeps across America at Christmas.  The Flu is spreading and with people that cold in many places, it will hit harder.

I enjoy the discussion here and would like to hear more facts and opinions as this all continues to evolve.

Medclinician

Kind of the way I feel

The media continues to report blatant untruths concerning the Obamacare website. Recently it was found that 25% of recent approved Affordable Health Care plans were flawed and will not receive health care coverage due to a computer error.   

Time after time the media were wrong about this and they don't apologize are promise to do a better.
The spin is basically to give the Democrats cover...

It is the media's job is to be skeptical (Barbara Walters)

Takes things and repeats them like a parrot...

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2886564706001/bias-bash-media-gives-pass-to-obamacare-failures/?playlist_id=2114913880001

What are the real numbers and how popular is the new health plan?

In order to keep costs down, the Affordable Care Act relies on younger, healthier people signing up for coverage to offset the costs for older, sicker Americans. But a Harvard University Institute of Politics poll shows just 29 percent of uninsured 18-to-29-year olds say they will definitely (13 percent) or likely (16 percent) enroll in the Obamacare exchanges.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/12/04/few-uninsured-young-people-say-theyll-sign-up-for-obamacare/


Comment: One source stated with all the hoopla about providing health care,  versus the potential cancellation of 80,000,000 health care policies, is not a success story. In the next six months even the few million people who actually get coverage will not offset tens of millions  who do not.

Really, this the story of the Emperor's New Clothes amplified by the majority of the United States media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

Despite the volume and saturation of the media, the truth meter concerning the effect of a websites still floundering attempt to market a plan which cannot be successfully implemented in the real world, is close to zero.

One can hope this will change-- for the nearly hundred million people who will not have healthcare coverage as we move through a savage winter and the continuing spread of the Flu in America.

Somebody smoking crack but its not the taxman, That is some delusional crap TG. What planet are you living on, are you off your meds again

Or are you still stuck in the TP information bubble. Up is down, down is up, left is right, and right is left (Repeat after me)