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    Posted: January 02 2014 at 1:51pm
i know that we have a flu thing happening in the US,

but do we really need updates on the whole of America getting the seasonal flu???

just repeating the same same same.....all the  time .

sorry seems a bit over kill!!!!

or am i being to critical ??

 it has been known LOL
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I work in the health field in close contact with patients- ophthamology, so to be able to read about the symptoms showing up around the country is actually helpful for me.  I have an idea what is coming down the pike and am a little more aware of my patients complaints.  I would be fine with having news posted in the state or region areas of the website, but it doesn't seem like anyone goes in there.  But i do feel like posting for seasonal somewhere is helpful for the readers.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carbon20 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2014 at 2:35pm
hi welcome to the site ,

no worries ,

just thought i'd ask the Q ,Wink

check out the  Swine flu site

might be helpful,

just follow the link from our home page Smile

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Yep agreed. Muddy waters
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     This site addresses all kinds of Pandemic risks to humanity, including MERS, SARS,  mystery diseases, possible appearance of unusually severe seasonal flus,  ebola, or anything else pertinent and anyone who has been here for some time ALREADY well knows this.  Thus the saying "Get with the program" exists, but that is up to the individual.  We shall of course continue to do what we have for years now been doing all along.
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I agree with jdljr1.  I've been here since the beginning and even though I know the other sites are out there I prefer to read ALL my flu news on this site.  Plus, it seems like everyone posts to this site AND to the others or only to this site so... I'd rather have just one place to visit.

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We have been tracking a wide variety of diseases, issues, and Bird Flu here and covered the Swine Flu Pandemic which was not Bird Flu and was critical to track and share as it well may be in the future of what we face.  During times when there was very little information on Bird Flu or simply very little happening, the other topics and exchanges kept this site alive.

The owner, the staff, the advisers, contributors and readers here provide a vital service of alternate news when the main stream media is either inaccurate by design or simply pumping out misinformation.

It is not repetitive in the since of the in depth coverage by state and critical tracking as the current outbreak of a mutated 2009 H1N1 variant sweeps across the U.S. in the dead of a severe and freezing storm with inadequate health care to deal with it.

I could start another site, but I remain here with a team of talented, caring, and expressive people - the AFT family who I have known for many years.

To dissect is to destroy.  There is no need to fix hat is not broken. AFT  is probably the best Flu site on the net which is not so technical and official it is hard to understand. with reams of tedious numbers and volumes of technical terms the common reader cannot understand.

You serve a wide audience Albert in the creation and maintaining a site that is awesome and worthy of recognition; something to be very proud of.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carbon20 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2014 at 1:36pm
im not saying this is not a great site ,

 ive been here from 06,

 what i am saying is,

constant up dates about SEASONAL flu are pointless,

it would be better to update existing post than keep making new topic's about the same flu

people DIE every week of the flu,

what we are looking for is the "SLATE WIPER"


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Carbon, I see your point, however given that none of the viruses, meaning h5n1,h7n1,h1n1, and h7n9, have been anything but normal over the last 5 years, I think it is important to stay up to date with what is happening, just as it is and always has been important to know when the flu season begins and ends in China, as you no doubt know so well.

In any case, I do believe these updated are relevant and in line with what this site has been and continues to do. I do however, respect what you are saying.

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good point

if we drop the focus from the bird flu we may be in trouble

we were looking for the H5N1 and its still coming and we had the H1N1 and now the H7N9 is on the way.

Pandemic flu is the issue - and its related to all flu clades.
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I just posted a thing about HIV. If we wait for the Bird Flu to hit this forum would die waiting. So we all keep up on what is going on and it helps me know how bad and what is going around.

People have a need to know and this forum is very informative on all that is happening in the illness area. Keeps us all on our toes and if Bird Flu does hit we will all still be here and ready to rock and roll.
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Carbon, to further support the point I just made a few moments ago, I submit this for your reading. Now I do understand that what you are about to read is old news, but I think it sums up and supports what I posted.
 
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

i know that we have a flu thing happening in the US,

but do we really need updates on the whole of America getting the seasonal flu???

just repeating the same same same.....all the  time .

sorry seems a bit over kill!!!!

or am i being to critical ??

 it has been known LOL


Carbon

The site has always had this issue and attempts to create other areas has been done but with very minimal results. People like simplicity, thus the 2 threads that are mainly and consistently used.

On the subject of local reporting of news, this is where the real information is or is not. Waiting for a centralized information system (Flu.Gov) takes time. All information starts local in Counties and cities across the country who compile information then send off to the states, from there to national databases. This is not a realtime situation and does take some time and effort from individual cities, counties, states, & countries. This is why you see a 10-20 day delay or longer in some cases. When your looking for information or trends they will always be recognized locally first and usually have more detailed information. The problem is sometimes local will give you some bad information or inaccurate thus the need to read between the lines in different formats like this one where the subject is and has been put out there and evaluated (Discussion)by people who are interested. The CDC is still the gold standard for overall information its just always going to have a delay just based on logistical challenges.

We are now blessed with almost real-time information (Internet),which gives us local information from alomost anywhere on the planet providing some group or government is not internally suppressing and even that is becoming more and more difficult as a piece of information can go viral in a matter of minutes or hours, remember having to wait for snail mail.

I personally would caution against any manipulation or shuffling of the (News)area on AFT other than keep it to actual news and let the rest spill over in to the discussion area.
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i love this site and thanks all for your input , i was just pointing to the obvious ,

and asking the question from my point of view,

as always i keep an open mind ,

 keep posting people , love the input and the logic

peace be with you all
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Hey Carbon 20

I get what your saying on the seasonal and True bird flu posts. The lines are becoming blurred when it comes to the distinction like 2009 Swine Flu H1N1 which has Swine--Bird--Human genetic characteristics. It becomes not so easy to separate them anymore especially with the global distribution of poultry, Pork and other carriers along with the ease of travel from one area to another in the human population.

I think its only going to become harder and harder to distinguish the differences and which ones we keep up with and which ones we don't or exclude. The 09 swine flu caught almost everyone off guard partially because the focus was to narrow. Seeing for example the story out of MSU and the either maxed or close to maxed usage of the ECMO medical intervention in flu cases is particularly important when you consider most of the very ill are young adults and middle aged adults not the very young or the very old.

Has something changed with current H1N1???
Is it now able to cause significant disease in the lower respiratory system?? requiring an artificial breathing intervention (ECMO)

And the Flu season is really just getting under way in a big way across the country, will it surprise us all??

Anyway I meant no harm in the post and would be curious your take as I always enjoy your posts.
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too  many viruses,

too many people messing with them,

too much intercontinental travel,

its only a matter of time ,

before Man or nature comes up with the 'slate wiper'

look what happened in the last 18 months

look what came out of left field

h7n9 ,Mers

i am interested in what happens if/when  h1n1 recombines with h7n9 or h5n1

h5n1 is the nasty one still i think

but lets keep our eyes and ears open

and i should have posted this thread G/Discussion lol


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  I love the site and when Albert and others were posting the news of a serious flu in Texas a month ago, I started to take extra precautions and do a little stocking of long storage food and supplies. With out this site, It's caring members and it's alertness to things that could happen, I would be a whole lot less prepared and lost like a babe in the woods..  What difference does it make whether it is bird flu, swine flu or seasonal flu, If you catch it, you may get real ill and an ounce of prevention is a pound of cure, Or for that matter your life!
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Mahshadin - I was thinking the same thing. With humans, wild birds, intensively farmed poultry and pigs all being increasingly implicated in novel strain outbreaks, it's counterproductive to focus solely on purely avian viruses. The waters have been getting very muddy of late, and the next serious threat could come from any number of directions.

Carl H makes a very good point - anything that brings people here and exposes them to an aspect of prepping other than TV shows that only seem to highlight the fringe element is a good thing. The resurgence of H1N1 has probably sent a lot of people in our direction, and hopefully it's increased awareness of the importance of being ready on a personal level. In truth, this place hasn't had many opportunities to be a purely avian flu pandemic site since it's inception. H5N1 kick started the whole thing off after it's emergence in 1997, but has only ever managed to impact poultry to any significant degree, and only recently has H7N9 taken center stage as the likely frontrunner. If we didn't talk about something else, it'd get awful quiet at times.

Carbon - I think we're on the same page with this year's H1N1 outbreak. It's not the kind of thing that I prep for, but it looks like it's going to be a really bad seasonal strain and is probably worthy of attention from that standpoint. As you said, it's unlikely to be the slate wiper we all fear but it serves to demonstrate just how deadly even seasonal flu can be, and how widespread an outbreak can become in a short time. As fast as this thing has moved and sickened people even with an effective vaccine readily available, imagine how a pandemic strain capable of infecting a third of the population and killing ten percent or more with no vaccine in sight would absolutely kick our butts, and likely find most people off guard with respect to their ability to survive without outside help.

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OK i GIVE  IN LOL


Widespread flu activity in U.S. this season, CDC says

Phamacist Prakash Deshpande injects a patient with the influenza vaccine at a Manhattan pharmacy Jan. 14, 2013, in New York City.

Phamacist Prakash Deshpande injects a patient with the influenza vaccine at a Manhattan pharmacy Jan. 14, 2013, in New York City. Mario Tama/Getty Images


NEW YORK -- Half of the United States is reporting widespread influenza activity, most of it attributed to the H1N1 virus that caused a worldwide pandemic in 2009, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday.

Thousands of people die every year from flu, which peaks in the United States between October and March. The flu is spreading quickly this season, with 25 states already reporting cases, the CDC said.

 

"We are seeing a big uptick in disease in the past couple of weeks. The virus is all around the United States right now," said Dr. Joe Bresee, chief of Epidemiology and Prevention in the CDC's Influenza Division.

In 2009-2010, the H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, spread from Central Mexico to 74 other countries, killing an estimated 284,000 people, according to the CDC.

While younger people were more susceptible to H1N1 in 2009, Bresee said it is too early to tell whether the same will be true this year.

 This season's virus has killed six children in the United States, according to CDC data. The agency does not track adult deaths, but dozens have been reported around the country.

"There is still a lot of season to come. If folks haven't been vaccinated, we recommend they do it now," Bresee said.

Texas has been one of the harder-hit states, where at least 25 people have died this season from the flu, local health officials said.

The Texas Department of State Health Services issued an "influenza health alert" on Dec. 20, advising clinicians to consider antiviral treatment, even if an initial rapid-flu test comes back negative. Texas health officials also encouraged people to get a flu vaccination.

"The flu is considered widespread in Texas," Carrie Williams, a spokeswoman for the state's health department, said.


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Carl H, thank you for all the nice things you said about all of us. I started prepping 13 years ago. My aunt prepped for the "bomb" and I always felt safer for her forward thinking. So I have carried on her tradition but have gone much farther.

I always say three things are most important: a way to make potable water, food to eat/and a way to heat it and a way to stay warm. I live in Colorado so warm is necessary for me. It has taken me all these years to accomplish all of this but it makes me feel better.

LOL, my non-prepped sister says I will be the first to fall ill and none of this will do me any good...oh well! At least I tried!
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Carbon I'm with you. I get what your saying. For some reason Normal flu gets mixed in with more urgent matters and has the effect of diluting discussion. Not to mention people discussing Obamacare death panels... 

The way i see it at the moment. 

There are several issues around the world to keep an eye on

MERS (almost off the agenda)
Nasty virus which does spread human to human but very inefficiently. Many of the cases in the mid east have come from close contact with Camels. This virus has be identified as an epidemic, but very limited potential. The virus will be easily controlled by controlling camel contact.  PS: No break out from Hajj. Its a pussycat!!

H7N9
Scary little bugger, but closely linked to birds and not transmitting Human to Human effectively. Scientists discovered recently that the virus would have to undergo several large mutations to become efficient at H2H. Having said this we now know it jumps between humans and birds effectively. Just doing this is killing hundreds in asia, so imagine if it went H2H. Its probably the most concerning virus we have, but seems to be not crossing boarders... So slowly its dropping off the radar. 

H5N1
The scariest of them all and not discussed much. Scientists found that minor mutations need to occur to turn this into a pandmic. At the moment its like H7N9, but not as wide spread. There are outbreaks of the bird virus and culling through out Asia as we speak. This thing could explode out of the blue. I know several of us are watching reports. We dont discuss it enough!!

H1N1
nasty pasty, but mixed with the seasonal flu. There are variants of this virus we should be focusing on and most (as Carbon suggests) should be put in the bin. The pH1N1 variant which has been identified as a killer and tamiflu resistant. We need to view these variants as separate viruses. This is hell difficult due to the fact that flu death in general isn't tested in the US. So we don't have a handle on this. It maybe big who knows????


There are other issues floating around such as Dengue, airborne blackdeath, ebola, Chikungunya etc. But they need to cluster and spread before we discuss them. Sorry and be deadly!!

Anywho my bedtime feel free to add to to the list.

Just reading this back to myself, I think we are close to going back to defcon 3??
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I like to keep up on the different flu strains. I work in a hospital and so does my wife. Lots of people on vents that came in with Flu, tested positve for "FLU A" and many here geting the flu have taken the FLU shot.
 
So yeah lots of chatter, but I can sort though it.
 
 
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And we have had 972 positive FLU test in the last 21 days via our lab facilities.
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I agree with you, flumom. Prepped is prepped, no matter the reason. If it makes you feel better, prep for an earthquake; most of your stuff, except meds, will be in place for any emergency. A way to access water and make it drinkable, a way to eat and/or produce food; and a way to stay warm apply anytime the electricity goes out in a snow-storm or windstorm. Don't get hung up on the specifics (except for meds), all info on this site has merit and get your family ready for anything.
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IMO, H1N1 deserves a closer look than "usual" seasonal flu. It's different. Has the potential to be more. And since that's the dominant strain right now, maybe that's why you are seeing more flu posts.
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i think my point has been made ,

 the h5n1 slipped under our radar

the killing potential for this  virus  far out ways the seasonal flu currently in the news and on here,

we should be looking for the unusual

not posting about every flu death in the states

the world is bigger than the USA!!!!!




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