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https://www.deltares.nl/en/ A new study (in Dutch-google translate does a great job ! https://www.deltares.nl/nl/nieuws/deltares-brengt-mogelijke-gevolgen-van-versnelde-zeespiegelstijging-voor-nederland-kaart/) indicates "we" may have to prepare for a sealevel-rise of up to (possibly) 3 meters by 2100. Main reason is the expected (sharp) increase of melt of Antarctica land-ice after 2050.

DJ-In my opinion climate chaos is already a very major problem NOW !!!
Drought already is effecting rivers here-so logistics by ships is getting harder. Raising funds to deal with costs for better sea-defenses will only get harder.

International trade, the global economy, is already under pressure due to climate change. Preventing these effects only work at an international level. The "Paris"agreement is to much words-not deeds....

We have this year a record breaking number of "warm-days"(+20C), 2018 already will be in the top 10 of warmest years ever.
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I think we in for a scorcher this year, we in drought all through the winter in our eastern states
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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=CC-20180920-64719-RUS

DJ-Arctic landice-loss is underestimated. Both in Greenland, Canada and Siberia ice is on the move high-speed.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5
4 disturbances in the Atlantic..
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Climate data release again delayed by Government, FOI documents show
Exclusive by national environment, science and technology reporter Michael Slezak
Updated about an hour ago

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PHOTO: In Paris, Australia committed to reducing emissions to 26 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030. (AAP: Julian Smith)
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A report showing Australia is failing to rein in its greenhouse gas pollution was sat on for nearly two months by the Federal Government, before being released late on a Friday afternoon of a long weekend when footy finals fever and banking royal commission findings were dominating headlines, the ABC has learned.

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Australia failing to rein in greenhouse gas pollution in line with Paris agreement
Government sat on most recent emissions report for two months
Advocates accuse Government of 'hiding climate data from Australians'
The delay is revealed in documents obtained under freedom of information laws by the Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF).

The Government has released this quarterly report under similar circumstances in the past, leading to calls for it to be controlled by an agency and not politicians.

"There is a clear trend here that the Government is hiding climate data from Australians," ACF chief executive Kelly O'Shanassy said.

A spokesperson for Environment Minister Melissa Price told the ABC, "Ministers routinely and appropriately consider briefs for a period of time".

The latest report — the Department of Environment's quarterly Update of Australia's National Greenhouse Gas Inventory — showed, after adjustment for seasonal variation, in the three months of this year Australia had the highest levels of carbon pollution since 2011.

It also revealed a continuation of the trend of upward annual emissions since 2013.

And excluding controversial data about emissions from tree clearing and regrowth, Australia's emissions reached an all-time high in the 12 months to March this year.

Data sat on for seven weeks
The documents show on August 9 — seven weeks before the data's release — it was sent to the offices of both the current Environment Minister Melissa Price, in her role as assistant minister, and the then-environment minister, Josh Frydenberg, along with a ministerial briefing.

Assistant secretary of the Department of Environment Rob Sturgess said to representatives of the two offices:

"Gday. Not sure how busy you are this week … but attached is the quarterly update."

Later that month, there was a cabinet reshuffle after Scott Morrison took over as Prime Minister.

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And on September 6, the Department of Environment sent it again to the office of the new minister, Ms Price. Three weeks later, on a Friday afternoon, the report was publicly released.

That day was a public holiday in Victoria and preceded a long weekend in several other states marked by celebrations for the NRL and the AFL grand finals.

It was also released immediately after the banking royal commission handed down its interim report.

A spokesman for Ms Price said: "The Department of Environment and Energy provided the Minister for Environment with advice on the Quarterly Update of the National Greenhouse Gas Inventory on September 3, 2018."

In a press-release published a few days before the report was released, the Climate Council anticipated it happening at a time that would minimise attention on it.

"This has become a worryingly familiar scenario," Climate Council acting chief Dr Martin Rice said.

"The Federal Government not only delays releasing climate information, it also tries to bury it. We've seen emissions data quietly released on Christmas Eve, or on a Friday evening, at a time it's least likely to attract attention or scrutiny."

Ms O'Shanassy said it was time to take the release of the data out of politicians' hands.

"We think climate data should be treated like jobs figures and GDP figures that are released by a government agency, not politicians, so they can't hide it.," she said.

"You can imagine the uproar if they hid jobs or economic figures. But hiding climate figures is reckless because climate change is here now and affecting every Australian."

'People choose and pick their figures': PM
After the report was uploaded to a government website, the office of Ms Price sent out a media release with the subject line: "Australia on track to meet emissions targets" and headlined "emissions intensity at lowest levels for 28 years".

The release did not mention emissions had gone up, but instead focused on comparing the current figures to those from 2005 and 2000 — years when emissions were higher than they are now.

It also focused on emissions per head of population, which have declined.

New coal power is not the answer

The tipping point's been reached: the cold, hard numbers show that new renewable energy is supplying cheaper electricity than new coal-fired power plants could and will continue do so, writes Stephen Long.
Two days later, Prime Minister Scott Morrison was asked about the emissions data on the ABC's Insiders.

"I know people will want to use that one figure and ignore the fact that emissions per capita are at the lowest level in 28 years," he said.

"So people choose and pick their figures to make their political arguments. We're going to meet those in a canter, our 26 per cent target."

But the documents released under FOI laws show the "key points" highlighted by the experts at the Department of Environment and delivered to the Minister also focused almost exclusively on the rising emissions.

Ms O'Shanassy said the total figure was the only one that mattered.

"The climate doesn't care if you're pumping out less pollution per population or relative to GDP," she said.

Is Australian on track to meet Paris deal?
On Insiders, Mr Morrison repeated his earlier claim Australia was on track to meet its commitment made at the Paris summit to reduce emissions to 26 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030, "in a canter".

"All of the issues are pointing to that outcome so I'm comfortable with our 26 per cent," he said.

He was reiterating comments earlier in the month made on the ABC's 7.30 program.

"What we're seeing though is a business-as-usual approach, a technology-driven approach, which will see us, I think, more than meet our targets out to 2030," Mr Morrison said.

That view is at odds with the Government's official projections, last updated in December 2017, which show under business as usual, emissions will increase steadily all the way to 2030.


EMBED: Australia's emissions trends, 1990 to 2030
"Emissions are rising and there's no national plan to turn it around," Ms O'Shanassy said.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if we don't have a plan, we're not going to meet our emission target.

"They're kicking the can down the road for the next government but in doing so they're putting lives at risk because climate change is dangerous."

Ms Price's spokesman said: "The 2017 review of climate change policy said Australia has the right mix of polices and improvements in technology.

"The Government's policies are scalable and will enable Australia to meet the 2030 target."
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At least you have targets to miss.

On the other hand Trumnp's new America............................
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The Earth will Abide.....without the Human's......
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBLOSSV_Bu0 Yes, minister-still reflects the way politicians "solve problems" by kicking the can down the road...."we have to STOP the growth of co2"(=we go on the way we used to).

DJ-I can not help believing that-at the end-democracy becomes a facade-real power is with the shareholders, every dollar, Euro, yen or rubble counts-we are governed by the fossil fuel industry wich is supposed to be controled by a government....
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Queensland heatwave smashes BOM November records,

Stradbroke Island keeps burning
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If you thought summer had started early in Queensland this year, you were right, with temperatures hitting high 30s and into the 40s last month sending records tumbling.

The heatwave that has been gripping the state for the last several days smashed monthly records, with one city — Cairns — sweating through its hottest-ever November day, twice.

The mercury hit a scorching 42 degrees Celsius in Cairns two days in a row.

Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) climatologist Tamika Tihema said it was "significant" to see the record broken in such a way.

"It has never gotten above 42C … but to get two days in a row at that temperature was quite extraordinary," she said.

The BOM said last month was the fourth-warmest November they had recorded on average.

The heatwave caused trouble for firefighters around the state who were battling more than 100 bushfires.

Among the other towns to break their November temperature highs was Townsville, which reached 41.7C, beating its previous record of 41C, which was set in 1971.

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PHOTO: A large fire on North Stradbroke Island blankets the beaches in smoke. (ABC News: Allyson Horn)
Innisfail also recorded 41C, compared to 38.8C in November 1992.

Mount Stuart logged the highest temperature across the state for November, reaching 45.2C, on November 26.

Proserpine, Cooktown and Mackay also topped their highest recorded temperatures.

While extreme heat was bearing down on the east, the rainfall across the area was well-below average.

Ms Tihema said it was not the typical conditions they were used to at that time of year.

"You tend to see a lot of onshore flow, so you do see eastern Australia pick up some reasonable rainfall totals, but we saw the opposite this month," she said.

She said that while Queensland did get showers, they were well below what was expected this time of year.

Stradbroke Island continues to burn
A drop in wind and temperature overnight has helped firefighters battle the bushfire, which has burned through thousands of hectares on the popular tourist island.

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Replacement crews have arrived on North Stradbroke Island to relieve firefighters who have battled to keep a large blaze within containment lines.

BOM senior forecaster Michelle Berry said there were overnight storms to the west of Mackay, where fires are burning, and more rain was coming.

"We are expecting some rainfall for a number of our fire sites today so hopefully that goes some way to alleviating some of the fires that we have for the state at the moment," she said.

"We could even see some of that activity getting down to the south east tonight over that Stradbroke Island area where there's a fire continuing as well."

Cyclone Owen could bring rain
Ms Berry said Tropical Cyclone Owen, which is about 1,200 kilometres off the coast of Cairns, is expected to weaken from its category one status over the next 24 hours but could still bring much-needed rain.

"It should weaken into a low or trough and it may move west towards the east tropical and central coast later this week," she said.

"We may see some heavy falls developing about that east tropical coast in particular through Friday and into the weekend.

"It could be quite heavy if it does move far enough west towards the coast — but if it remains further offshore we won't get that moisture."

A an orange and yellow sunrise over Brisbane.
PHOTO: High temperatures are forecast for Sunday. (ABC News: Shelley Lloyd)
Deepwater residents may get to return home
Meanwhile, a slight change in conditions has seen the fire danger in central and eastern Queensland ease.

Two watch and act alerts remain current for Captain Creek and Lowmead south west of Agnes Water, but the overall threat has dropped in many areas ravaged by fire over the last 10 days.

Fire authorities will assess the possibility of allowing Baffle Creek and Deepwater residents, who have been evacuated from their homes for more than a week, to return home.

Gladstone Mayor Matt Burnett said the Local Disaster Management Group would discuss the issue at a meeting on Tuesday morning.

"After the aerial inspection last night and then the inspection this morning, again we're hoping for safe re-entry for residents and you can't put residents back into an area where fires can continually break out because of really strong winds that are moving embers and creating really strong fires," he said.

More firefighters from Canberra are also headed to Queensland later this week to help with the efforts.
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carbon20, the cases of "extreme weather" around the globe is simply to much to handle....

When I look at NW-Europe;
-The drought continues for over 200 days now, here in the Netherlands we had the warmest dec-2 ever. In some area's close to 15C almost 60F (it is supposed to be winter by now !)
-Extreme low waterlevels in many rivers cause transportation difficulties; petrolstations have to rise prices for logistics-and some of them run out of fuel.
-Low groundwater is causing the foundation of over 1 million buildings in the Netherlands to get instable. So you get cracks in walls etc.
-The drought is also making seawater moving into groundwater creating brackish water effecting possibility for agriculture in western parts of the country. (You need a lot of water to push the seawater out again)
-drought itself did effect harvest, union, patato etc is down sometimes up to 60%.

In combination with other policies https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/the-french-people-reject-macrons-policies-how-long-can-he-survive.html# politics may get effected. Putting the bill to the poor while making the rich even more rich is creating unrest.
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what people fail to realise is,

we are in our Winter,

First day of summer was on 1 December.....

Heat is a coming,

And hot here is 45c
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BBC News - How one heatwave killed 'a third' of a bat species in Australia
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-46859000
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From https://nos.nl/artikel/2271163-kustlijn-opgeven-en-het-hogerop-zoeken-dat-is-een-plan-b-bij-zeespiegelstijging.html via (more or less) google-translate;

Giving up the coastline is plan B for sealevelrise (in/for the Netherlands)

Because the consequences are so far-reaching, it is necessary that consideration is already being given to the choices that the Netherlands must make if international climate policy fails. That is what various experts say about sea level rise in Vrij Nederland.

If the world fails to prevent greenhouse gas emissions and the Paris Climate Agreement is not observed, the earth will heat up more than 1.5 or 2 degrees. This will cause the sea level to rise further and further.

"The experts have one shared concern: in the Netherlands too little thought is given to a plan B, for when the sea level rises faster than what we take into account in the Delta Program", says Vrij Nederland. A social debate about this is lacking, experts say, while it is necessary because important choices have to be made. "Not in the future, but now."

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The global sea level rise has been accelerating for a number of years. The Delta Commissioner also pointed this out in a report that was sent to the House of Representatives six months ago. That report was about the consequences of sea level rise for the Netherlands. But where there is already plenty of discussion about climate measures to reduce CO2 emissions, and there is also thinking about our dikes, there is no mention of the possibility that this together is too little.

In that case, we must have a plan B available, according to the sea level experts. Consideration must be given to various options. In this way, ever higher dikes will also become wider, something that is now impossible in many places. It is also possible to create broader rivers, just like cities build on poles, or the construction of islands in the sea. And then there is another option, which nobody wants to talk about now: 'Give up the current coastline and look for it higher up.'

The sea level is rising faster and faster; the ice loss on Greenland and Antarctica is increasing and satellites are accelerating global sea level rise. The speed of that increase in the 20th century was below 2 millimeters per year, after the year 2000 it was around 3 millimeters and in recent years it has risen to 4.3 millimeters per year. How much that acceleration will continue is uncertain.

"We have to consider a controlled withdrawal over time," says polar meteorologist Michiel van den Broeke of Utrecht University. His colleague Roderik van de Wal: "In the Netherlands there is a lot of attitude that we will solve the problems with adaptation, which is a misconception." Not that accelerated sea level rise will lead to major problems in the coming decades. But for the term after that, there is a lot of uncertainty.

Glacologist Michiel Helsen, working as a climate change teacher, thinks it's time for a social discussion. "In the long run, it is possible that we can not keep the West Netherlands in. It seems to me to be useful for society to discuss which parts of the Netherlands we want to defend at what price." Roderik van de Wal adds: "If we continue like this, a large part of the Netherlands will have to be abandoned, and moving to Germany should be a topic of discussion."

Compliance with climate agreements is crucial

The experts are all convinced that compliance with the Paris Climate Agreement is crucial for the future of the Netherlands. "For its survival, the Netherlands is directly dependent on the success or failure of the current international climate policy." Nevertheless, it is currently very uncertain whether the agreements will be truly observed worldwide.

The Minister of Infrastructure and Water Management Cora van Nieuwenhuizen also believes that the fate of the Netherlands is more or less dependent on global climate agreements. She told the NOS during the last international climate conference in Poland. The minister responded to concerns that are living in Zeeland about rising sea levels.

Nevertheless, the experts think that politicians do not think enough about the long-term effects of sea level rise. "As far as I know, the government does not think much about alternatives to coastal policy for the long term, other than sand reclamation and raising dikes," says Caroline Katsman, senior lecturer in physical oceanography at TU Delft.

Dealing with uncertainties
While that is important, Marjolein Haasnoot of Deltares and author of the aforementioned report on the consequences of sea level rise for the Netherlands. For example, in the case of very large infrastructural works, a potentially large sea level rise must be taken into account.

"Time is needed for all measures, now is the time to think about it and to make a good plan. (...) When it comes to sea level policy, you have to deal with uncertainties You can not wait until you get exactly know what's going to happen, and if you're sure, it's already happening, and it could also go way too fast. "
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As https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva keeps repeating; climate change is destroying agriculture. A major foodcrisis is already on its way. http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/02/a-horror-is-unfolding-in-australia-as.html (and many others)

With politics trying to start another (oil)war, it is getting clear that "we" have to change the way politics work.

The NOS (Dutch BBC) article above suggests that moving 17.2 million Dutch to Germany trying to escape from rising sealevel has anything to do with reality.

We are already in exponential sealevelrise. There is so much heat in the oceans we can not escape from major global disaster. With http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/02/a-glimpse-of-our-future-heatwaves-in.html etc. only being the beginning.
https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/02/shocking-ice-to-south-of-novaya-zemlya.html (And massive methane release DJ-this may indicate a much faster temperature rise with also water vapor as a major greenhouse gas feedback. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/aug/01/underground-magma-triggered-earths-worst-mass-extinction-with-greenhouse-gases?)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217605187739026&set=a.1873759521225&type=3&theater and
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/02/extinction-alert.html
is giving a very clear message: our time is up !

Forget about "plan A", IPCC/UN "politics", forget "plan B" giving up coastlines, mass evacuations prepare for "plan C" https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/emergency-preps
damage-control, making priorities on how to deal with the coming crisis.

(DJ-Again I hope I am wrong, with some luck we may have a few years left in most western countries before a total collapse. Here in the Netherlands we are simply not able to deal with a cat-5 hurricane. The statistics of getting any hurricane to NW Europe were small-this is changing. )
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Dutch Josh, the problem is that nations such as the Netherlands and Tuvalu are feeling the impact of climate change and yet they are small countries with little influence so can do nothing about it. The large countries that are only feeling the impact in certain area, aren't motivated to make changes because it's not affecting them enough to justify the social upset of change and the huge economic commitment that change requires.

As you say, the momentum is already there and climate change can't be stopped completely and in reality, I'm sorry to say, the most likely scenario is that certain bits of land will have to be abandoned, and most probably, large tracts of Holland will be part of that, particularly if sea levels keep rising.

I know that NZ is expecting to welcome the Pacific Islanders who have to abandon their islands due to rising sea levels. We are their nearest large country, so it makes sense that they come to us. I'm not sure where the Dutch will go.

As for poor old Australia, it's becoming less and less inhabitable by the year with severe temperatures, awful bush fires and a general water shortage. Unless the Aussies all move to Tasmania, I'm not sure what else they can do. But so long as they have electricity then they'll muddle through, because without aircon they'd have to leave. Temperatures were recently pushing 50 degs - that's unbelievably hot. I'm writing this in 30 degs here in NZ and it's really hot, at temps in the 40's I don't know what I'd do.
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Some Australian areas made 50*C according to our news, KiwiMum. Those kind of temperatures are more in keeping with equatorial areas.

In my opinion, things are due to get worse.

Oz could prepare for this - but it would cost a fortune. All the inhabitants would need to be costal; their houses air-conditioned and the power supplied by huge solar power plants in the hot interior. Australians are "can-do" people.

But as always,BIG MONEY runs things, not people, so it will not happen.

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KiwiMum, Techno-thanks for reacting;

Some remarks;

-Normally discussion on climate change in the Netherlands is "global 2100"-there seems to be a growing trend to look more at the present for regional issues.
-Politics still stick to plan "A", putting money in dikes etc. For the first time there is public criticism and doubt on the effectiveness of the present programs.
-Both in Belgium, Netherlands and some other countries teenagers go to the street demanding more action on climate change from politics. It is their future !
-In the article(s) focus is still on how to deal with sealevelrise. What is kept out of the discussion(s) is that a rise of several meters by 2050 will end global economy.
-Already climate change is effecting harvests all around the globe. Here in the Netherlands drought meant that salt sea-water replaced groundwater. In some western parts of this country onions, hay etc production went down.(On the other side Dutch wines are booming.)
-There is an increase of infra structure faillures due to extreme weather.
From sinkholes to possible flooding-traffic/transport in the Netherlands is getting more problematic already.
-In the articles they picture the Dutch situation. In 1953 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953 floods brought damage over NW Europe (we did get aid meant for the Korea-War).
-Three major causes of flooding:
1 Storm surge from the Northsea
2 Extreme rainfall
3 High water levels in the rivers
(These three would often combine in extreme storms effecting a larger area)
-Four major sources of income for the Netherlands:
1 Natural gas (production =decreased due to earthquakes)
2 Agriculture (second global exporter after the US)
3 Financial "services"/tax evasion (For tax reasons IKEA, Rolling Stones are "Dutch")
4 Logistics (Rotterdam, Amsterdam-ports railway, internet and energy distribution for NW Europe)
All these are under pressure from climate change-effecting also taxation.

-Already every year billions of Euro's are spent on dikes, room for the river https://www.ruimtevoorderivier.nl/english/ etc. The costs will increase/explode while the sources of income are decreasing.
(Most of those measures only work on a European scale, rivers come from Germany, France, Belgium into the Netherlands)

Were can the Dutch go (to put it very optimistic) ? In 1900 the German emperor claimed the Dutch were German only "we did not know it". In 1800 Napoleon claimed the Netherlands was made of mud from French rivers (Rhine, Meusse). Looking at 2000 years of history the Netherlands most of the time were part of another country-so we are "Europeans" and have to be flexible !
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https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Europe-Awaits-Record-Smashing-June-Heat-Wave:
Early-season heat waves are especially dangerous
Heat waves are especially dangerous when they occur early in the summer, before people have had time to adapt to the seasonal heat. A 2015 report from the World Meteorological Organization and World Health Organization on heatwaves and health notes:

“Heatwave timing appears to have a notable effect on the level of mortality. Heatwaves occurring early in the summer have been shown to be associated with greater impacts on mortality in the same population than later heatwaves of comparable or higher temperatures (Hajat et al., 2002; Kinney et al., 2008; Anderson and Bell, 2011). The impact of high temperatures later in the summer is sometimes diminished after an early heatwave.

“In Europe, heatwaves occurring in June result in relatively high mortality compared to later in the summer, while most high-mortality events in southern Asia appear to occur early in the summer before the summer monsoon."

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Europe’s biggest heat-wave catastrophe occurred in the first two weeks of August 2003. Great Britain saw its first 100°F readings in more than 300 years of recordkeeping, and similar temperatures were widespread across Europe. Adding the various national counts implies that more than 50,000 people died as a result of the 2003 European heat wave. Later estimates brought the toll as high as 70,000, though the exact number is difficult to discern. No heat wave in global history has produced so many documented deaths.

A landmark 2004 study led by Peter Stott (University of Reading) found that human-produced climate change made heat waves on par with the European disaster of 2003 about four times more likely to occur.

DJ-Although the models are different in every run-some models go for 40C+ temperatures next week in the Netherlands.

We have to wait and see how things will work out. But those kind of temperatures may become deadly. https://www.euromomo.eu/ may give an indication of wich groups may get effected most.

When temperatures go this extreme in june they may stay extreme longer during the day since the sun will be shining longer than in August. There have been plans for taking care of elderly but spending cuts may mean a lot of elderly and people with chronic health problems may not get the extra care needed during an extreme heatwave.

Also making cities more climate-change-proof sometimes may be less effective than hoped if temperatures go this extreme. Water may cool cities in the first days but prolong the heat later on-water stays warmer longer than land.

There have been reports of trees starting to burn in Kuwait due to extreme heat-some kind of "self combustion" (spontaneous ignition) for trees, bushes, cars etc. may occur with the possible extreme temperatures.
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Proberbly heatwave related https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/netherlands-telephone-system-out-nationwide (computers were unable to make connections-including emergency calls).

Since it was during the heatwave-with lots of people looking for medical care due to heat related problems this "disturbance" was a major problem and may have cost some lives.

Allthough the heat is less extreme (monday max 33C-today may bring 37C) a few days ago models expected temperatures above 40C for several days.

Since Thursday may be getting cooler-under 25C in the met.office area we may not even get to an "official heatwave". Saterday may bring another extreme day (37C ?).

There was also major disruption on the railways. Maybe related to the communication problem and made worse by the heat.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/national-emergency-as-u-s-farm-crops-fail-food-shortages-by-late-july-food-riots-thereafter and problems with drinking water may be on their way....DJ-We seem to have a heatwave plan even for cows. When it gets to hot during the day the can go outside during the night and "relax" in (cool) stables during the day.

https://www.meteoalarm.eu/

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/06/after-turbulent-storms-floods-giant.html
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A recent newspaper article on a heatrecord 42,9C/107.6F and why it is "not counting". Deelen airbase is just north of my hometown Arnhem.

So it was 42.9 degrees, where did the mysterious heat in Deelen come from?,, Can't be right, we are going to examine the weather station. ”With that announcement, the KNMI deleted the insane heat record (42.9 degrees) from weather station Deelen on 25 July. It now appears: nothing was wrong with the sensor, it was really that hot. Why does the heat record of Deelen not count? Victor Schildkamp 03-12-19, 19:00 Last update: 04-12-19, 16:04

The bizarre twenty minutes on July 25 in the afternoon: what's going on in the Gelderland town of Deelen? At 1.58 p.m. the thermometer, which is already running overtime, indicates 40.7 degrees. Unbelievable. "I thought I had a heart failure", weatherman Ben Lankamp of Weerplaza will say later. And it gets even crazier: at 14:17 hrs, Deelen has passed the 42 degrees: forty-two point nine!Weather people throughout the Netherlands go crazy or don't believe it. But the KNMI speaks of an official heat record. Weerplaza has the editorial staff on the line: cramped, the weatherman on duty is looking for a meteorological explanation for the unbelievable: ,, It seems that a kind of microclimate is emerging there, we no longer measure air displacement anymore . As a result, the air warms up extremely quickly. ”It even starts to sound scary, apocalyptic. They are already absurdly hot days. Is the climate going crazy now? Does the Netherlands catch fire? And will the 50 residents of the Deelen neighborhood be the first to join?

Weerplaza.nlâś”@WeerplazaThe measuring station #Deelen is briefly in the pubic area. But at airbase #GilzeRijen has just reached 39.5 degrees, that is a new #hitter record so there is no doubt about it.321: 45 PM - Jul 25, 2019Twitter Ads info and privacy25 people are talking about this

Onheilsprofeet ,, I believed it right away not already, ”says weatherman Gerrit Hiemstra, who keeps his cool. Hiemstra has been a prophet of doom for many years for the consequences of global warming. But this is simply not possible. Weatherwoman Helga van Leur tweets that the weather station has sunstroke. There are more jokes: "Deelen has used doping."After fifteen minutes, the KNMI intervenes: it is not possible, so it is not. The heat record is deleted. Weerplaza speaks of a sensor error. The KNMI is investigating.The new heat record that will ultimately be established in Gilze-Rijen on July 25th (40.7 degrees) is still standing today. And that is strange somewhere. Because why does the record of Deelen not count? In the weeks and months after that creepy 42.9 degree, the KNMI conducts extensive research into the sensors at weather station Deelen. "We even brought it to the lab and turned it completely inside out," says Charlotte Fijnaut of the KNMITo knockAnd it turns out: there has been no fire or short circuit or whatever. A technical malfunction is excluded. Weather station Deelen has just measured 42.9 degrees. However, another measuring point on the same site a few hundred meters away did not give that high value. So the KNMI stays with it: can't be right, so it's not right. The record remains deleted. But then that microclimate, and the fact that there was no more air displacement? Weatherman Marco Verhoef says that the meteorological simply cannot be explained. ,, We were almost at the maximum just before the 42-degree Van Deelen. The sun could not be any harder, the radiation was already at its maximum, all circumstances were already perfect, then such a temperature rise of a few degrees in half an hour is normal, ehm, quite unlikely. ”Lighter? The weather station in Deelen © KNMIMHuman influence? "I cannot and do not want to speculate," says Verhoef. But it was known that on those hot days in July a true competitive atmosphere was created between the 25 official weather stations in the Netherlands. In the past, an attempt had been made to influence a weather station with a rotating truck. But that is actually impossible at Deelen. The measuring station is on a military airbase, you won't get to that. Or would a funny pilot with a lighter .The answer to that question is "no," says spokeswoman Wendy Ryan of the Royal Netherlands Air Force. Deelen is only occasionally used as a training ground for helicopter flights in particular. The rest of the time there is little to do on the guarded defense site and certainly on July 25 there were no activities that could have influenced the weather measurement."In fact, the base was closed that day," says Ryan, who also finds the mystery intriguing. ,, If you have nothing to look for at that weather station, you can't get there either. Human influence on that weather station is really excluded. Everything is possible in principle, but the people who work there have taken an oath, they will not lie about it. ”No technical cause and no human error.

The argument of not giving Deelen that heat record remains unsatisfactory: it cannot be right, so it is not. Weatherman Gerrit Hiemstra shrugs it: "Measurements are always just a weak substitute for reality," he says. "It may have been warmer than 42.9 degrees in some places in the Netherlands, but if you just don't have a weather station there ..."The night after the 42.9 degrees that did not count, a temperature of 25.6 degrees was measured in Deelen. A "night record". With the same sensors that apparently functioned perfectly again. Yet a record and therefore a little revenge for that small neighborhood in Gelderland. It reinforces the idea that Deelen was also inexplicably hot during the day. However, where that heat came from that small part of the Netherlands remains unresolved.

DJ-A major problem; Deelen is an official weather station. When the data we get from official weather stations by official weather organizations like the KNMI https://www.knmi.nl/over-het-knmi/about is not trustworthy we may be missing important information.

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DJ-I am trying to find out more on https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/het-was-dus-wel-42-9-graden-waar-kwam-die-mysterieuze-hitte-in-deelen-vandaan-br~a07dfb22/ the 42,9 temperature in combination with coniferous forest/sandy ground. (translation in my post above this post)

-How does resin react ? Does it get more fluĂŻd, or become an explosive gas ?

-Forests are adepted to a certain temperature range. Due to climate change "forests end up dealing"with (much) hotter conditions then previously-are forestfires a logical (and almost unavoidable) result ?

-The fire-triangle=oxygen, fuel and ignition temperature. A forest dealing with 40-45C temperatures will react in a different way then under 25-30C. How different ?

-What can be found on the climate in an overheated forest ? More methane, plant-oil/resin becoming a gas already ? And can such a changed atmosphere be moved and effect urban area's ?
(In the NSW-Sydney fires it is smoke-the result of a fire-moving into a major city. What when a mix of gasses from a forest under extreme temperatures would be moved (for example by a weatherfront) into an urban area ?

-In a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm the fire is pulling oxygen from the surrounding area. How can such firestorms in coming forest-fires effect nearby urban centers ?
(During world war-2 fire storms did pull away oxygen from shelters. Thousends of people died due to lack of oxygen in shelters that were not effected by any fire in another way (than oxygen being pulled away). Can a major fire decrease the amount of oxygen, increase CO, CO2, small dust, hot particles etc. that it can cause fatalities ?

-How can a forest-fire become a "city-fire" (like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_London ? Can extreme temperatures increase the risks for forest-fires becoming a major risks for larger urban area's ? (for instance what risks do the NSW fires pose for Sydney ? )

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/why-some-plants-can-withstand-wildfires-better-than-others/432727

DJ-This subject is on a "triangle" of metereology, biology and chemistry-therefore "missed" as an item for study.
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https://wildfiretoday.com/2014/03/03/eucalyptus-and-fire/


It's worth noting that in times of drought,eucalypts,

produce more oil,making them more combustible
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