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    Posted: March 16 2006 at 7:10am
Class action time.
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For anyone who was in doubt, they have finally owned up.

This was not just "onesie, twosie" but an all out sweep to take guns out of the hands of people trying to defend themselves in the wake of a crisis, when law enforcement was unavailable to protect them, but apparently available to disarm them.  The have a pile of at least 1,000 firearms that were confiscated, and that's just the ones that were seen and proven.  That doesn't sound very "sporadic" to me, but more like a concerted administratively orchestrated effort, as has been aledged all along.

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BELLEVUE, Wash., March 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In a stunning reversal, the City of New Orleans revealed today to attorneys representing the Second Amendment Foundation and National Rifle Association that they do have a stockpile of firearms seized from private citizens in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

The disclosure came as attorneys for both sides were preparing for a hearing in federal court on a motion filed earlier by SAF and NRA to hold the city in contempt. Plaintiffs' attorneys traveled to a location within the New Orleans city limits where they viewed more than 1,000 firearms that were being stored

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bruss01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 7:23am

BTW-  this is prep related because many here consider self-defense and home security arms to be an essential prep item.  Many states are currently considering passage of laws that specifically impose CRIMINAL charges on state or local authorities that act to disarm law-abiding citizens in a crisis.  If one is being considered in your state, you may want to give your representatives your endorsement of this principle.  The neck you save may be your own.

Another example:  The Government may show up during a crisis, take your private property at the point of a gun, then lie and cover it up later.  Instead of guns next time it may be food, water, fuel... you name it.  Maybe a good idea to keep a low profile concerning your preps.

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In some earlier posts it had already been brought up, that LEO/Military may come and confiscate from the "hoarders" for the "common good"! How NO could deny the weapons confiscation is beyond me, hell, I watched it on CNN!! They were clearly going house to house!

Bruss01, do you know if there is a bill pending in CA? Anybody that we could contact who is working in this issues? TIA

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  THIS JUST ANGERS ME BEYOND BELIEF  

People were dying from lack of water and medical attention.  A lot of Police took off, and some were even caught on camera looting Walmart.

But, they had the time and manpower to go door-to-door, not to help, but to leave our fellow citizens defenseless.

It's not so much the apocalypse... but the credit card bills ;-)
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Why were guns taken from law-abiding citizens in New Orleans?

Defenseless Decision
Why were guns taken from law-abiding citizens in New Orleans?
By John R. Lott Jr.
http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0603210744.asp


In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans’ residents got an idea of what life is like without the rule of law. They had no telephones, no way to call 911. Even if they had, the police who reported for duty were busy with rescue missions, not fighting crime. Citizens had to protect themselves. This was made rather difficult by the city’s confiscation of guns, even from law-abiding citizens.

After five months of denial in federal district court, the city last week made an embarrassing admission: in the aftermath of the hurricane, the severely overworked police apparently had the time to confiscate thousands of guns from law-abiding citizens.

Numerous media stories have shown how useful guns were to the ordinary citizens of New Orleans who weren’t forcibly disarmed. Fox News reported several defensive gun uses. One city resident, John Carolan, was taking care of many family members, including his three-year-old granddaughter, when three men came to his house asking about his generator, threatening him with a machete. Carolan showed them his gun and they left. Another resident, Finis Shelnutt, recounts a similar story that the gangs left him alone after seeing “I have a very large gun.”

Signs painted on boarded up windows in various parts of town warned criminals in advance not to try: the owner had shotguns inside.

Last September 8, a little more than a week after the hurricane, New Orleans’ police superintendent, Eddie Compass announced: “No one will be able to be armed. Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns.” Even legally registered firearms were seized, though exceptions were made for select businesses and for some wealthy individuals to hire guards.

Undoubtedly, selected businesses and well-connected wealthy individuals had good reason to want protection, but so did others without the same political pull. One mother saw the need for a gun after she and her two children (ages 9 and 12) saw someone killed in New Orleans after the hurricane. The mother said: “I was a card-carrying, anti-gun liberal — not anymore.”

John C. Guidos was successfully guarding his tavern on St. Claude Ave on September 7, when police took his shotgun and pistol; indeed, it was the only time that he saw any cops. Soon afterwards robbers looted the tavern.

Wishing for a gun during disasters isn’t anything new. Just a little over a decade ago, police stood by, largely helpless, during the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King verdict. Yet, not all the victims were defenseless. Korean merchants stood out as one group that banded together and used their guns to protect their stores from looting.

A similar lesson hasn’t been lost on New Orleans’ citizens. As one resident, Art DePodesta, told the New York Daily News shortly after the storm hit, “The cops are busy as it is. If more citizens took security and matters into their own hands, we won’t be in this situation.”

Not only do law-abiding citizens with guns deter many criminals from committing a crime to begin with: Possessing a gun is the safest way to confront a criminal if you are forced to.

Deterrence works. The United States has one of the world's lowest “hot” burglary rates (burglaries committed while people are in the building) at 13 percent, compared to the “gun-free” British rate of 59 percent. Surveys of convicted burglars indicate American burglars spend at least twice as long as their British counterparts casing a house before breaking in. That explains why American burglars rarely break into homes when the residents are there. The reason most American burglars give for taking so much time is that they’re afraid of getting shot.

Even without a catastrophe like Katrina, it would have been a poor strategy for would-be victims in New Orleans merely to call 911 and wait for help. The average response time of police in New Orleans before the hurricane was eleven minutes. The Justice Department’s National Crime Victimization Survey has shown for decades that having a gun is the safest course of action when a criminal confronts you, far safer than behaving passively.

It would be nice if the police were always there to protect us, but we don’t live in a utopia and the police understand that they almost always arrive on the scene after the crime has been committed. What does New Orleans’ Mayor Nagin recommend that people such as John Carolan and his granddaughter do the next time that have to fend for themselves? The city must know that there isn’t much of a defense for taking citizens’ guns; after all, it took them five months to admit to it.

— John R. Lott Jr., a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of More Guns, Less Crime.
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Oh man, I'd have shot the friendly police man right in the face if they tried to take my guns in the aftermath of Katrina, and I'm a police officer myself!
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It is interesting to contrast New Orleans with Iraq.
 
In New Orleans, a Democrat Mayor confiscated guns door to door from Americans trying to protect themselves from gangs.
 
In Iraq, our military allows each Iraqi family to keep one AK47 per house.
He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.Proverbs 13:20, The Bible
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