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 Topic: OctoberPosted: October 01 2023 at 6:54am |
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We already have school closures. But not because of ‘draconian’ lockdown policies… …it’s because there’s no teachers left to teach. They’re all ill! If those who claim to ‘advocate for children’ advocated as strongly for clean air in classrooms, we wouldn’t be in this mess. DJ...of course-living in the age of stupid- "people not catching infection spread the disease"..... We may have a winner. - [url]https://twitter.com/1goodtern/status/1708033764696199270/photo/1[/url] or https://twitter.com/1goodtern/status/1708033764696199270/photo/1 New york flooding is caused by lack of maintenance during lockdowns... Of course it can get even more crazy.... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr2CkFudBhg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr2CkFudBhg Alex Christoforou; -ursula von der leyen/EU blaming Russia for nuclear bombing of Japan august 1945...(even when the USSR/stalin did not have the atomic bomb...) -anthony blinken claiming [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar#Massacres_of_September_1941[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar#Massacres_of_September_1941 more or less Russia agreed with the mass murder of 33,771 Jewish and other kiev citizens... On 29 and 30 September 1941, the Nazis and their collaborators murdered approximately 33,771 Jewish civilians at Babi Yar.[21][22][23][24] The order to murder the Jews of Kyiv was given to Sonderkommando 4a of Einsatzgruppe C, consisting of SD and SiPo men, the third company of the Special Duties Waffen-SS battalion, and a platoon of the No. 9 police battalion. These units were reinforced by police battalions Nos. 45 and 303, by units of the Ukrainian auxiliary police, and supported by local collaborators.[25] Sonderkommando 4a and the 45th Battalion of the German Order Police conducted the shootings. Servicemen of the 303rd Battalion of the German Order Police at this time guarded the outer perimeter of the execution site.[8][9][10][11] DJ it is disgusting the Canada parliament applauded an 98 y/o Ukraine former SS-member.... With CoViD cases increasing no doubt "politics" may go for more blame-games and denial...escalate more conflicts... and The BA.2.86.1-derivative with 455S has a designation now: JN.1. Interestingly, the acquisition has already occurred at least twice, meaning the sequences (6 now) are not all of a common origin. Some knew this a week ago, but I only realized it today. Can't keep up ...I give up hope.... Trying to make sense my conclusion for now is stupidity is winning ! I expect to get my flu and CoViD vaccination this month...Vaccines can NOT stop a pandemic on their own...NoN Pharma actions are needed...but even [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N95_respirator[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N95_respirator "do not work" claims by "the stupid mass".... Okay...if "stupid" do not want masks AND no vaccination-feel free to do so ! |
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Posted: October 02 2023 at 10:51pm |
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[url]https://health-study.zoe.com/data[/url] or https://health-study.zoe.com/data at least trying to make a realistic estimate on CoViD cases/spread in the UK... link; [url]https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/overhyping-vaccines-wasnt-pro-vaccine-it-was-pro-stop-worrying-about-covid/[/url] or https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/overhyping-vaccines-wasnt-pro-vaccine-it-was-pro-stop-worrying-about-covid/ ; These statements were not pro-vaccine. They were pro-stop-worrying-about-COVID.I fully recognize that this is all written with the benefit of hindsight, but the vaccines did not turn out to be the miracle-cure-all we hoped they would be. According to one article from KFF in November 2022:
Someone who received only the first 2 mRNA vaccine doses in early 2021 might as well be unvaccinated today, and the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, is officially a historical relic, unavailable in the US. Meanwhile, the vaccine’s impact on transmission has fluctuated throughout the pandemic, but it has often been middling at best. Until better vaccines arrive, I will always mask at work. Assurances the vaccines were “100% effective against protecting against bad outcomes for grandparent” and that they lowered the risk of transmission to “zero” were not pro-vaccine. These were pro-stop-worrying-about-COVID. At the start of 2021, these same doctors also claimed the end of the pandemic was imminent. DJ...my impression; the "only thing that matters for politics is money".... If we end up -in whatever country in this world- with "leaders" simply denying major problems than politics is the main problem. DJ, Non Pharma Interventions (NPI) may -on the long run- do a better job than -at least present- vaccines....Yes-I will get another CoViD-vaccine this month ! But I have the "luxery" of limiting contacts...even when the price is social isolation....(and that is a very high price since we have been in this global healthcrisis since 2019...We may have detected a global problem in 2020...many countries did find (retrospectively) cases allready in 2019... [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-spanish-study-finds-that-sars-cov-2-remodels-the-human-host-landscape-of-small-noncoding-rnas-possible-serious-health-complications[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-spanish-study-finds-that-sars-cov-2-remodels-the-human-host-landscape-of-small-noncoding-rnas-possible-serious-health-complications DJ...testing and reporting on CoViD may have been almost gone...Lots of indications however point to new variants increasing spread and immunity evasion... The coming months will tell us more on how bad it will be...DJ-My non-expert view; the worst part of the global health crisis is still to come....(As always-hope to be wrong !) [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/09/obesity-is-linked-to-coronavirus-deaths-dutch-researchers-say/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/09/obesity-is-linked-to-coronavirus-deaths-dutch-researchers-say/ ; Researchers from SEO Economisch Onderzoek looked at the link between lifestyle and the risk of dying of a coronavirus infection, by linking information about lifestyle to deaths before, during and after the pandemic. During the first two years of the pandemic, 30,000 more people died than would have been expected according to statistics. The researchers found that between 70% and 100% of them were overweight at the time. In addition, between 57% and 84% of those who were overweight were smokers or had smoked in the past. The statistics are notable because only 30% of the population have both those characteristics, SEO said. DJ, stress is another factor increasing health risks...There are links between stress and obesity..."fat-shaming" is making problems MUCH worse !!! The basic rule of dealing with other people the way you would like they deal with you can make this planet a better place... |
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Posted: October 04 2023 at 11:28pm |
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[url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/doetinchem/corona-maakt-forse-opmars-in-achterhoek-liemers-en-arnhem-testen-vaak-pas-na-paar-dagen-positief~adbd4809/[/url] or https://www.gelderlander.nl/doetinchem/corona-maakt-forse-opmars-in-achterhoek-liemers-en-arnhem-testen-vaak-pas-na-paar-dagen-positief~adbd4809/ (in Dutch behind paywall) DJ-Also in my region CoViD-cases on the rise-testing may give false negatives in early stages...and testing in NL only when serious symptoms show up... Sweden I checked week 37 for clusters, but the samples of that week are scattered around many different regions and branches. Week 34 (5) and 38 (3) have several samples that are from the same region and that do have the same mutations though. Josette Schoenmakers also mentioned (in Dutch) NL now has 11 detections of BA.2.86. Lots of countries-with very limited testing-may see BA.2.86 (and subvariants) taking over from EG.5 variants. Sato Lab: Virological characteristics correlating with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein fusogenicity "S1/S2 cleavage efficiency and plaque size could be potential indicators to predict the intrinsic pathogenicity of newly emerged SARS-CoV-2 variants." - DJ "fuso-genicity" non-expert translation; ability to spread between cells...So increase of fuso-genecity means the infection can spread faster in a host resulting in more severe disease. Really , can you not see the irony & ridiculousness of this statement? “The NHS has too few staff to prepare for a pandemic surge...” You’re doing absolutely NOTHING to  #COVID spread amongst staff (or patients) so what exactly did you expect? #CovidIsNotOver 1/2DJ, wich brings me to the "background" since pandemics are NOT isolated events.... -climate change/collapse is increase of pandemic risks... -decrease of immunity after infection (and limited after vaccination) is increase of pandemic risks... -CoViD, H5N1 etc. etc. etc. is also widespread in non-human hosts, resulting in new recombinations/variants, of course also this is increase of further pandemic risks... -Wars, climate collapse resulting in tens-of-millions of people loking for survival... -"Politics" going ever more crazy...promoting war to keep the west dominating the globe... Are people sicker than they were a decade ago? Yes, because of 13 years of Tory cuts and a Long Covid crisis which Boris Johnson calls “bollocks” & govt still fails to acknowledge #CPC23 | |
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Posted: October 05 2023 at 11:14pm |
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[url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/nijmegen/geen-paniek-maar-de-coronacijfers-lopen-op-dit-is-wat-we-kunnen-verwachten-en-kunnen-doen-komende-winter~ae5358e5/[/url] or https://www.gelderlander.nl/nijmegen/geen-paniek-maar-de-coronacijfers-lopen-op-dit-is-wat-we-kunnen-verwachten-en-kunnen-doen-komende-winter~ae5358e5/ (in Dutch) also in NL CoViD cases slowly increasing..."no reason for panic".... Still 1-in-15 in NL will get the flu, risks of catching CoViD will be (much) higher. There is a risk of long CoViD. Here in NL 7,5 million (out of 18 million) can get the new vaccine...if 4 million people will go for vaccination "it would be a success"....If you have CoViD symptoms (that may look like a flu or a cold -at the start) ; -try to limit contacts -DIY test..if negative try another test after 48 hours... Do you want to know which of the new variants have evolved to escape hepa filters and well-fitted respirators? DJ, both ventilation and masks are "problematic" in NL... DJ...however the risks for long term health issues also increase with each infection...Very likely still a lot of people die from/with CoViD... [url]https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/[/url] or https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ looking at statistics (unvaccinated) younger age groups still above the long term trend line. -------- [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/h3n8-avian-flu-virus-has-strong-transmission-potential-risk-major-outbreak[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/political/h3n8-avian-flu-virus-has-strong-transmission-potential-risk-major-outbreak ; There have been several cases of human infection with the H3N8 avian influenza virus in China, with one patient succumbing to pneumonia due to the infection in March. A recent study published in the renowned scientific journal Cell revealed that human isolates of the H3N8 virus can be transmitted through the air among ferrets. This is just one step away from breaking the barrier of inter-human transmission; thus, close monitoring is necessary. South Africa: More than 7.5-milllion chickens culled due to avian flu outbreak. At least five-million commercial layers and more than 2.5-million broiler breeders were culled after the birds became infected. #H7N6 DJ...also H5N1 in animals mixing with H1/H2/H3 (human) flu virus are a growing risk... Decrease of immunity protection after catching one virus may increase the risk of catching another virus...So-my non-expert view- we could see more "Flu-Rona" co-infections (and maybe not only in humans...) [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/mps-back-dedicated-clinics-for-long-covid-patients/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/mps-back-dedicated-clinics-for-long-covid-patients/ ; Some 450,000 people are suffering from Long Covid following an infection with the virus, around 90,000 of whom are seriously disabled by the condition. Effects include extreme tiredness, confusion and loss of concentration. The varied nature of the complaints is such that people are being sent from pillar to post, Drost said. - The MP said the clinics would have to be opened across the country so people could have access to them without having to travel long distances. Where the medical specialists or the money to set up the clinics would have to come from, Drost did not specify. Apart from the clinics, ChristenUnie and GroenLinks-PvdA also want a more generous compensation package for care workers with Long Covid. Care workers accounted for a high proportion of infections in the first wave of coronavirus in the spring of 2020, when they were exempted from many of the quarantine restrictions so they could keep working on infected wards without proper PPE. DJ, the sad reality however is -like with ME/CVS (also very likely often post-viral disease) - lots of people here in NL will end up in poverty because of Long CoViD.... -------------- Here in NL already close to 800 farms did see [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetongue_disease[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetongue_disease ; Bluetongue disease is a noncontagious, insect-borne, viral disease of ruminants, mainly sheep and less frequently cattle,[1] yaks,[2] goats, buffalo, deer, dromedaries, and antelope. It is caused by Bluetongue virus (BTV). The virus is transmitted by the midges Culicoides imicola, Culicoides variipennis, and other culicoids. - Bluetongue has been observed in Australia, the US, Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and Europe. An outline of the transmission cycle of BTV is illustrated in article Parasitic flies of domestic animals. Its occurrence is seasonal in the affected Mediterranean countries, subsiding when temperatures drop and hard frosts kill the adult midge vectors.[12] Viral survival and vector longevity is seen during milder winters.[13] A significant contribution to the northward spread of bluetongue disease has been the ability of C. obsoletus and C.pulicaris to acquire and transmit the pathogen, both of which are spread widely throughout Europe. This is in contrast to the original C.imicola vector, which is limited to North Africa and the Mediterranean. The relatively recent novel vector has facilitated a far more rapid spread than the simple expansion of habitats north through global warming.[14] In August 2006, cases of bluetongue were found in the Netherlands, then Belgium, Germany, and Luxembourg.[15][16] In 2007, the first case of bluetongue in the Czech Republic was detected in one bull near Cheb at the Czech-German border.[17] In September 2007, the UK reported its first ever suspected case of the disease, in a Highland cow on a rare-breeds farm near Ipswich, Suffolk.[18] Since then, the virus has spread from cattle to sheep in Britain.[19] By October 2007, bluetongue had become a serious threat in Scandinavia and Switzerland[20] and the first outbreak in Denmark was reported.[21] In autumn 2008, several cases were reported in the southern Swedish provinces of Småland, Halland, and Skåne,[22] as well as in areas of the Netherlands bordering Germany, prompting veterinary authorities in Germany to intensify controls.[23] Norway had its first finding in February 2009, when cows at two farms in Vest-Agder in the south of Norway showed an immune response to bluetongue.[24] Norway have since been declared free of the disease in 2011. Although the disease is not a threat to humans, the most vulnerable common domestic ruminants in the UK are cattle, goats, and especially, sheep. |
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Posted: October 08 2023 at 2:56am |
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DJ, We are in a climate crisis and a health crisis at a global scale...the last thing we need is more war... DJ, The BA.2.86 sub variants may be more immuno evasive...So-lots of indications earlier infection/vaccination may not offer that good of protection... What does help ? -Masks AND -Good ventilation AND -limiting social contacts AND -Good information/communication... CoViD is much worse than a flu...unclear what % ends up with (live)long CoViD...Post-viral syndrome can be caused by lots of viral infections however CoViD may be a long term problem... H5N1, link [url]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2022-2023/h5n1-technical-report_september.htm[/url] or https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2022-2023/h5n1-technical-report_september.htm ; Executive summary A small number of sporadic human cases of A(H5N1) have been identified since 2022, despite the panzootic of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) A(H5N1) viruses in wild birds and poultry. Nearly all reported human cases since 2022 were associated with poultry exposures, and no cases of mammal-to-human or human-to-human transmission of HPAI A(H5N1) virus have been identified. In a few cases, the source of exposure to HPAI A(H5N1) virus was unknown. To date, HPAI A(H5N1) viruses currently circulating in birds and poultry, with spillover to mammals, and those that have caused human infections do not have the ability to easily bind to receptors that predominate in the human upper respiratory tract. Therefore, the current risk to the public from HPAI A(H5N1) viruses remains low. However, because of the potential for influenza viruses to rapidly evolve and the wide global prevalence of HPAI A(H5N1) viruses in wild birds and poultry outbreaks, continued sporadic human infections are anticipated. Continued comprehensive surveillance of these viruses in wild birds, poultry, mammals, and people worldwide, and frequent reassessments are critical to determine the public health risk, along with ongoing preparedness efforts. DJ, A major risk may be in co-infections in a host of H5N1 and a H1/H2/H3 flu-virus that can become a risk for humans... DJ, limiting social contacts is limiting health risks...When there is a lot of diseases around it may be a good choice (to limit contacts). To claim there will be no exposure to create immunity would suggest people would be 100% total isolation...Maybe in a space station...but for most of us we will still be confronted with enough diseases to see some immunity resulting from it... "A fire to heat up a house is welcome-a fire that burns the house is not".... DJ, knowing CoViD is NOT !!!! over has to be the basic idea ! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WckUIopdfXI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WckUIopdfXI indie_SAGE Chapters 02:41 Intro: Prof Sheena Cruickshank 04:54 Situation update: Long Covid, 2 studies 09:45 Stats: Prof Christina Pagel 26:10 Modeling: Overview of the past 3 year: Christina Pagel 41:21 Experience of finding good data: Bob Hawkins - data analyst &simulation modeller 47:00 Modeling uses & limitations: Dr Kit Yates 47:54 What lessons have we learned: Dr Duncan Robertson 51:00 "All models are wrong but some are useful" Kit Yates 54:25 Questions from the public 54:29 What tools/data are out there to inform our individual choices? 56:49 What can the CEV do to keep informed & keep safe? And ZOE? 1:02:30 How many have died of Covid in the UK over the last 12 months and what is expected for the next year? 1:04:45 close Next briefing 2023-10-20 Behaviour DJ...limited statistics...With so many crises CoViD/health risks may not get the attention that is needed ! [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-amidst-worries-that-authorities-are-concealing-true-magnitude-of-current-cr[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-amidst-worries-that-authorities-are-concealing-true-magnitude-of-current-cr isis... DJ, both Ukraine and Israel/Palestine may now face serious health care problems... [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep5+shtml/024206.shtml?cone#contents[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep5+shtml/024206.shtml?cone#contents "Lidia" may cross Mexico and end up in the Gulf possibly a danger for Texas... An earthquake in Herat/Western Afghanistan may have killed over 2,000 people... Wars, quakes, climate disasters and pandemics are a bad combination ! |
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Posted: October 08 2023 at 10:54pm |
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DJ, If there is fighting in your street, next door, in your house...do you try to end the fighting or "send weapons"? If we keep failing to solve our differences in a peacefull way we soon all could die...STOP WARS ! STOP WEAPONS ! ---------- link [url]https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/up-to-10-per-cent-of-quebec-health-care-workers-affected-with-long-covid-1.6571752[/url] or https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/up-to-10-per-cent-of-quebec-health-care-workers-affected-with-long-covid-1.6571752 DJ, health care itself now is at risk.... We are now much less prepared than we ware in 2019 for any major large scale global health issue...with less money to spent, less medical staff... and DJ, models indicate BA.2.86 may become the dominant variant-with subvariants (BA.2.86.1 etc ?) from the middle of this month... ConversationDJ |
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technical problem when I copy from twitter.... Malaria may become a growing problem because of climate collapse... [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-amidst-worries-that-authorities-are-concealing-true-magnitude-of-current-cr[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-amidst-worries-that-authorities-are-concealing-true-magnitude-of-current-cr isis DJ-Wars and healthcrisis -in history- show to be also a bad combination .... DJ...if vaccines do no longer offer enough protection we have to know.... However the basic problem is "politics" tend to even deny the pandemic is NOT over....In the UK they use-for a very limited group- old vaccines...Newer vaccines may offer some more protection but -my non expert view- BA.2.86 and some other variants may be able to evade immunity (both after vaccination and previous infection...). and DJ...is fear a major driver for denial of any crisis ? My -very limited, far from perfect, non-expert view; -The climate crisis is real...science based...and we may be to late to stop a lot of damage... -Risk for nuclear war grow by the hour....we very likely are unable to even survive a "limited" nuclear war...It may do that much more damage to the climate...increase even further the number of refugees... -We now face many health crises...CoViD, H5N1 and likely much more.... We should be in a climate emergency but also link the healthcrisis to the climate crisis...but all "we" do is push for more war.... To solve the present problems does need trillions $/€...but thos trillions now are spent on even more weapons... Are humans self-destructive ? They do act like they are ! |
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DJ, The escalation of the NATO-BRICS wars has me making up my mind...At present we may be much to close to global warfare... DJ..still "politics" push for wars...desinvestments in public healthcare... link [url]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297523000914?via%3Dihub[/url] or https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297523000914?via%3Dihub AbstractObjectivesIn this study we evaluate the efficacy and safety of a treatment protocol with standard dose of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 infection. MethodsWe conducted a retrospective analysis to compare the 28-day mortality rate in 352 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin (HCQ-group) in our hospital with a contemporary control group of 3533 patients receiving standard of care from the Belgian Collaborative Group on COVID-19 Hospital Surveillance. ResultsAll patients who received at least one dose of treatment were included in the analysis. A statistically significant reduction in crude mortality rate at 28 days was observed in the HCQ-group compared to standard of care (16.8% vs 25.9%,p = 0.001). Patients in the treatment group were on average younger (69,7 vs73,1 years, p = 0,0002), were less likely to smoke or to have malignancy and more likely to be male. Patients in the treatment group were more likely to be obese, immunocompromised or to have arterial hypertension, liver disease and lung disease. After adjustment for these variables the OR for mortality was 0.635 (95%CI 0.464–0.875). Patients who did not receive HCQ had a 57% higher risk of mortality. A survival benefit in the treatment group was consistent across all age groups. 13 patients discontinued treatment due to side effects (4 with QTc-prolongation>60msec (1.1%) and 9 because of gastro-intestinal symptoms (2.55%)). No episodes of ventricular arrhythmia or torsade de pointes were recorded during treatment. ConclusionTreatment of COVID-19 using a combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was safe and was associated with a statistically significant mortality benefit in the treatment of COVID-19 infection in hospitalized patients. Our findings do not support the current negative recommendations regarding this treatment. DJ...the discussion on HCQ is ongoing for years...It would be welcome if it could limit disease severity or deaths... DJ to "save the economy/profits" "politics" are destroying the economy... H5N1 and DJ, most risks of H5N1 could be in mixing with a H1/H2/H3 flu virus...however the massive spread of H5N1 in birds and mammals does increase the risks for mutations in H5N1 itself.. "Bird Flu" is also limiting food production, less eggs and poultry... Still these risks are ignored... |
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[url]https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/pnas-frailty-and-survival-in-1918.html[/url] or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/pnas-frailty-and-survival-in-1918.html ; One of the striking features – and enduring mysteries – of the 1918 pandemic was that it appeared to largely spare those over the age of 65 in the United States. The infamous `W shaped curve’ of the 1918 pandemic (above) indicates that the death rates among those in their teens, 20s, and 30s was much higher than was normally seen with influenza. Those over 65, however, saw a reduction in mortality during the pandemic. This unusual Epi curve is most often explained by suggesting a similar `H1N1' virus may have circulated in the mid-to-late 1800s, leaving behind some degree of immunity for those who were alive then, and survived. Those born later would have no such immunity.
Another theory, posits that younger people with stronger immune systems fell victim to a `cytokine storm' (see Cytokine Storm Chasers), but once again this is supposition. - Our understanding of what happened in 1918 is based largely on anecdotal accounts, and since the average life expectancy in the United States leading up to the pandemic was just over 50 years of age, deaths of those younger likely got greater attention.
DJ...very likely a lot of spread of the "Spanish Flu" can be related to soldiers packed close together-exhausted of war...When they returned after the war it did see more spread in young families...But "statistics" sometimes are not much more then numbers-interpretation of them is not always easy... ------------ [url]https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/cambodian-moh-reports-2nd-fatal-h5n1.html[/url] or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/cambodian-moh-reports-2nd-fatal-h5n1.html DJ-H5N1 more a risk for children ? In Cambodia spread linked to infected chicken... ----------- [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/dengue-news-florida-starting-to-see-a-rise-in-dengue-infections-with-32-new-cases-in-week-40[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/dengue-news-florida-starting-to-see-a-rise-in-dengue-infections-with-32-new-cases-in-week-40 climate links... -------------- DJ also [url]https://health-study.zoe.com/data[/url] or https://health-study.zoe.com/data has no recent numbers.... [url]https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/[/url] or https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ 0 to 14 y/o mortality still at pandemic level. |
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- DJ, Tim Spector is the man behind ZOE (well one of the persons behind it)...You can come up with statistics on "cases", "hospital cases with/for CoViD"excess deaths...try models...but it is very hard to get realism without large scale testing... ----------- With a background of climate collapse, wars, economic problems and politics going for censorship...making a democracy into democrazy...It may be impossible to get a realistic view. children are the most unvaccinated group in populations. [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-ba-2-86-sequences-rising-along-with-infections-and-hospitalizations-in-united-kingdom[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-ba-2-86-sequences-rising-along-with-infections-and-hospitalizations-in-united-kingdom DJ-Very limited testing-often most hospital cases-limited sequencing... It is hard to even follow variants...I mean XBB.1.9.2.5.1.6.1 is a sub variant of a subvariant.... DJ, most spread-as good as all-of H5N1, CoViD simply is under the radar...This will NOT end well !!! |
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DJ, it looks like BA.2.86 (and subvariants) may become the dominant variant(s) soon in many places... And lots of countries seem to see an increase of cases...However so far this increase is not collapsing health care yet...DJ-We finally get out of summer...may see some weather fitting to fall/autumn...this will increase further spread. DJ, my non expert view; vaccination may limit CoViD risks...children have NOT been vaccinated...Risks of Long/Chronic CoViD increase with each infection... Ventilation on schools is STILL far from perfect in many countries further increasing risk of disease spread. Lots of indications CoViD may bring a decrease of immunity protection so flu may be able to do more harm ! and with proper spacing: BA.2.86.1 (ORF1a:K1973R) JN.1 | BA.2.86.1.1 (S:L455S, ORF1a:R3821K, ORF7b:F19L) JN.2 | BA.2.86.1.2 (ORF1a:Y621C) JN.3 | BA.2.86.1.3 (ORF1a:T2087I) BA.2.86.2 (ORF7a:E22D) BA.2.86.3 (C222T, C1960T, T12775C) JQ.1 | BA.2.86.3.1 (S:T95I) DJ...by now it looks like BA.2.86 may see a growing "family" of subvariants... Again !!! Both CoViD and H5N1 is now widespread in mammals !!! This WILL !!!! result in more new high risk variants for humans !!!! We keep ignoring very major warning signs.... [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-uk-faces-soaring-covid-19-hospitalizations-and-positivity-test-rates-as-new-variant-ba-2-86-becomes-predominant[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-uk-faces-soaring-covid-19-hospitalizations-and-positivity-test-rates-as-new-variant-ba-2-86-becomes-predominant DJ, Inflation up = public healthcare down...Climate collapse will bring more extreme weather, decrease of food production, logistics problems...With BRICS a major pharma producer the west may face lots of medical issues... Outlook simply is bad ! An increase of UK hospital CoViD cases of 24% (as far as tested) comes on LOW real number of hospital cases...So it sounds alarming but is still manageable..However...given the high spread and duration of infections cases may keep increasing for the coming months... |
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DJ, Good public healthcare is expensive...So [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j51r9Om5uis[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j51r9Om5uis Lena Petrova (LP)/US; America To Fund 2 Wars: U.S. Can "CERTAINLY" Pay For Israel and Ukraine, Treasury Sec. J.Yellena comment; As a South East Asian, I feel sorry for Americans ... high interest rates, inflation, rising crimes, weekly mass shootings, crumbling infrastructures, outdated education, underpaid and overworked teachers, increasing homeless in the streets, shrinking middle class and a government that cares more about war, Ukraine and Israel than Americans. DJ, LP also mentioned after the hamas-terror attack shares of the war industry went up...In a "blind" capitalist system money goes where profits go...war, gambling, porn, drugs... You need a government to work for PUBLIC interest... [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-afd-reaches-new-record-high-gains-unprecedented-8-point-lead-over-ruling-spd[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-afd-reaches-new-record-high-gains-unprecedented-8-point-lead-over-ruling-spd ...also in the EU/Germany politics rather invest in war then healthcare... DJ, The WHO stated the "emergency" phase of CoViD is over...it is not a "new" problem any longer... and DJ...with as good as no testing left a lot of a-symptomatic (in the early phase) CoViD spread is "missed"...Lots of people/animals may show "unclear symptoms" ...but since there was not any testing left the CoViD link will be missed...Lots of indications unvaccinated people may run more risk...still it will not stop some "experts" blaming vaccines... DJ...again...CoViD spread in non-human hosts is very wide...It will increase new variants/recombinations...Like with climate collapse "politics" keeps doing a "horror-job"...trillions for crazy wars...NO solutions for very major problems... YES-refugees do increase health risks ! But if you solve problems you may see less people fleeing their country ! Victim-blaming is worsening problems-NOT solving them ! DJ, in the UK over 62,000 children suffer from Long CoViD...politics has become disgusting criminal... |
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DJ, So 'crazy joe" ruining the US wants another 100 billion US$ for more war...in Ukraine, Middle East, China...reality is NATO/western economy may decrease that fast-move deeper into (higher) inflation...with most NATO members paying more interests on debts no one wants (China is dumping them...) the "west" is moving towards bankruptcy...(Lena Petrova on YouTube doing a good job describing that collapse...). So...LESS money for even basic healthcare... CoViD and H5N1/flu risks increasing... [url]https://www.okdoomer.io/covid/[/url] or https://www.okdoomer.io/covid/ ; 9 MIN READ18 As we head into another winter, the media has gotten an early start at reminding everyone that Covid is "just a cold" now. Even as familiar names like Leana Wen finally start encouraging some people to mask, it feels like they're a day late and a dollar short. For the most part, the dominant stories include more and more disturbing suggestions that testing, masking, and even getting vaccinated are pointless and that we shouldn't do them. These stories never include a single link to a peer-reviewed study. They provide no data. Combined with reports of offices and universities throwing away air purifiers and even removing hand sanitizer and paper towel dispensers, you get the uneasy sense that many in positions of authority simply want us to get sick. It looks like our governments are embracing a regressive stance they once mocked as outrageous, herd immunity through infection. They want to cull the weak, even if the strategy continues to blow up in their face, resulting in yet more waves of chronic illness and disability. And death. These stories accompany a disturbing data blackout. Almost every single government has suspended testing. Most hospitals won't administer a PCR unless you're going under intensive care. They won't report Covid on death certificates, no matter how much it contributes. The CDC even canceled its contract with Biobot Analytics, throwing the future of wastewater analysis into chaos. As Benjamin Matues writes, Google's new Covid data dashboard "offers little in terms of comprehensible data." That feels like the point. They've left us in the dark. The media bombarded us with stories about a drop in excess mortality this year. They say it's returning to normal. It's not. Across the world, public health institutions have exaggerated the decline by changing how they calculate excess deaths. For example, the CDC raised their weekly mortality predictions in order to make it look like excess mortality is back to normal. They also went back to 2020 and revised their original predictions. They didn't just cook their Covid books. They barbecued them. The CDC announced their change in methodology very quietly back in March, and someone finally read the small print. The CDC buried this little tweak in their Covid excess mortality dashboard. Here’s what it says: On March 15, 2023, the methodology for estimating excess deaths was updated to account for the fact that approximately 160 weeks of data during the pandemic were being excluded in the algorithm (so that expected values were not inflated due to substantially elevated mortality during the pandemic), resulting in unstable estimates of expected weekly numbers of deaths in some cases. To account for this limitation and provide more stable estimated expected numbers for recent time periods, the Farrington surveillance algorithms (1) were first applied to data through 2020 and used to predict the expected weekly number of deaths through 2020. To estimate the expected number of deaths for 2021, weekly counts of death above the 95% prediction interval in 2020 were replaced with imputed values, assuming that deaths (on average) in 2020 reflected the expected numbers and variability predicted by the Farrington algorithm. Translation: The CDC went back through the last three years and replaced original mortality estimates with new, higher ones. The end result: They successfully rigged the numbers in order to get rid of those pesky excess deaths, right before archiving the entire dashboard last month. They cheated. Here's a chart I made. It shows a baseline of average weekly deaths from 2014-2019, represented by the bottom black line. I compared that to the CDC's new mortality predictions for 2020 and beyond. Take a look:  The CDC is predicting that roughly 4,000 extra people will die every week now than back in 2019. That explains why their excess mortality numbers look better than they did last year. You can even see a mistake in the 2022 predictions, where they seem to have forgotten to update it. According to Our World in Data, excess mortality remained between 9 and 11 percent all summer long. They're not trying to cook their books like the CDC. They use the original mortality estimates. The surges might look less frightening, but 10 percent more people are dying all the time now. People have simply gotten used to it. Psychologists call it shifting baseline syndrome. You adjust to a darker reality. DJ...Ireland, Scotland did see another storm...Climate problems keep getting worse... The basic problem is however "politics-for-sale"...we do NOT have "leaders" but a corrupt bunch of people working for war and fossil fuel energy... This will not end well ! |
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DJ, While crazy joe is pushing for global war, demanding another over 100 billion for more war...Ukraine, Middle East, Taiwan... and "Finally, the #influenza season is approaching in the northern hemisphere, even as hospitalizations and deaths from #COVID19 continue to increase. During the acute phase of the COVID-19 pandemic, circulation of influenza viruses declined because of the precautions societies and individuals were taking to prevent infection with COVID-19. Flu is now back to levels similar to those seen before the pandemic. The co-circulation of flu, RSV and COVID-19 can cause significant disruption to health systems. To protect yourself and your loved ones, and to help take the strain off health systems, WHO recommends vaccination against both influenza and COVID-19, especially for high-risk groups"- DJ...we need billions for healthcare...NOT for a war-industry making criminal profits...political-criminal shareholders making every crisis an oppertunity for more profits...Derailed politics is destroying the planet... [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/hospitals-start-long-covid-research-government-funding-too-slow/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/hospitals-start-long-covid-research-government-funding-too-slow/ ; Five Dutch hospitals are to begin researching the causes of Long Covid, ahead of the green light from the government. Four projects, involving 40 doctors at five teaching hospitals, will now get underway in the coming month, RTL Nieuws reported. Funding comes from the Long Covid foundation, which has raised €1.5 million so far. “We can’t wait for the government any longer, said chairwoman Ellen Bark. The government has pledged to fund research but not before next year. Also in NL "criminal politics" spending billions on wars...Long CoViD patients (HCW-ers running high risks before vaccines were available...but also teachers, shop-employees, police etc.) end up in poverty...(some of them may even become homeless...). But still hardly any (waste water) testing... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMEtn3VieHg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMEtn3VieHg indie_SAGE trying to do a good job... LIVE: Join us today on a session about #behaviour with regard to the government's Covid response, with guests Prof Daisy Fancourt & Dr Rochelle Burgess, session led by Prof Steve Reicher, Dr Zubaida Haque chairing & Dr Duncan Robertson on numbers a comment; What have we learnt in the past 3 years? Why, that we've not learnt any lessons! The govt is *still* not preparing for future pandemics despite how damaging and destructive this pandemic has been to people's lives, livelihoods and the economy! see also [url]https://twitter.com/IndependentSage[/url] or https://twitter.com/IndependentSage (not yet censored by the EU). [url]https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/11/suzt-o11.html[/url] or https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/11/suzt-o11.html ; On Monday, non-union pharmacy employees, including pharmacists, technicians and support staff launched a three-day walkout at Walgreens stores nationwide to protest poor working conditions. Although the exact number of workers that have joined the Walgreens walkout is unclear, it has received broad support among employees of pharmacy chains who are facing dire working conditions with the oncoming winter season and demands for vaccinations against COVID, flu and RSV as well as others. It comes within the context of a growing wave of strikes and protests by healthcare workers, who have been made to shoulder the burden of the collapse of the healthcare system due to incompetent and criminal response to the coronavirus pandemic. Last week, 75,000 Kaiser Permanente workers took part in a three-day walkout, the largest healthcare strike, by number of workers involved, in US history. The Walgreens walkouts also follow local walkouts by CVS pharmacists in Kansas City, Missouri two weeks ago to protest staff cuts. As one pharmacist told The Kansas City Star, “It’s like running a McDonald’s with just one person.” DJ, If the ONLY value in a society is profit we can not survive... |
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[url]https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/en/2023/22-october-spokesman-for-the-ministry-of-health-in-gaza-the[/url] or https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/en/2023/22-october-spokesman-for-the-ministry-of-health-in-gaza-the ; Spokesman for the Ministry of Health in Gaza: The health system has lost all its treatment capabilities and the fuel needed to operate itDJ, Yet another genocide...Like in Ukraine, Iraq, NATO killing tens-of-thousends... - [url]https://twitter.com/CoronaHeadsUp/status/1716148419280986139/photo/1[/url] or https://twitter.com/CoronaHeadsUp/status/1716148419280986139/photo/1 - - DJ..Genocide by pandemic-policy ? On top of/mixed with genocide via climate destruction ? [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/we-need-to-bust-the-myths-about-the-transition-to-clean-energy/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/we-need-to-bust-the-myths-about-the-transition-to-clean-energy/ ; The second myth is that “free markets are the best route towards energy transition”. Since the 1980s, we’ve been told that free markets are the best way to allocate resources and run economies. But what has really happened after privatisation? The energy system became more monopolistic, energy poverty has risen, and carbon credit trading is being revealed as largely meaningless. The liberalised energy market also contributed to the extreme energy price volatility in Europe since the war in Ukraine. DJ...the basic problem for the corona pandemic is a political one... -NO !!!! border controls ...so diseases fly by plane for free.... -Preventative healthcare "to costly" so people get care after they get ill, not preventing them from getting ill... -"OPM" Only Profits Matter....with "calculations" making profits private and costs public... -Destruction of the public sector...from schools, care, education to police, fire department, ambulance... The basic reason for the present health crisis is collective psychosis...Humans again showing they are very self destructive... |
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and DJ, ZOE giving up modeling-because of lack of data (how can people report CoViD symptoms if symptoms become this unclear ?) and DJ, main stream media spreading des-information on climate collapse, pandemics, wars..."press-titutes", politics-for-sale/science-for-sale...all reflect a culture in wich only money matters...In my view that is the basic disease... |
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CoViD; -DJ, both anti-virals and non-sterilizing vaccines may result in variant/mutation selection...The CoViD-mutations best in evading "defense" further grows... -DJ...How many variants of CoViD (both in human and non-human hosts) are there by now ? DJ, Yaneer Bar-Yam calculated the possible number of CoViD-variants could run into millions (if I am correct...it may have been billion+) and DJ, with hardly any CoVid testing left...so we will miss lots of new variants.... ------------------------ H5N1 (now also on Antarctica islands !) DJ [url]https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/aphadefra-uk-study-finds-some-seabirds.html[/url] or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/aphadefra-uk-study-finds-some-seabirds.html ; But the virus isn't the only thing that changes over time. Survivors of HPAI infection can come away with some degree of immunity. How broadly protective, or long lasting it might be, are open questions.
Immunity may simply mean an infected host itself does not get (very) ill...still may spread the virus....(The host did change...the virus still may get other hosts very ill). Again the main risk of H5N1 for humans may be in a "host" mixing H5N1 with a H1/H2/H3 high risk -for humans- flu virus... ---------------- Other diseases; [url]https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/v-sinica-diversity-and-independent.html[/url] or https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/10/v-sinica-diversity-and-independent.html ; In the wake of the surprise SARS-COV epidemic of 2002-2003 (see SARS And Remembrance) researchers around the world began a concerted search for new potential pandemic threats among coronaviruses in the wild.
While we have a rogues gallery of `likely' pandemic threats (aka H5N1, H5N6, EA H1N1, H3N8, etc.), the truth is we could easily blindsided (again) by something that is not even on our radar.
While most are unlikely to pose a threat to public health, some will have zoonotic potential. DJ, If humans see immunity protection decreasing -long CoViD linked- lots of other diseases may fill the gap.... ------------ Maybe as a reminder; People do not need a disease to kill themselves...We are much to close to major wars...We fail to understand basic major health risks...Climate collapse will see food production collapse NOW ! It is all a mega-mix...and "our leaders" only have profit/war as a priority...Humans will not be around by 2030 if we keep destroying ourselves the way we do ! [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-who-and-ecdc-launch-erviss-platform-to-monitor-real-time-respiratory-virus-data-in-europe[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-who-and-ecdc-launch-erviss-platform-to-monitor-real-time-respiratory-virus-data-in-europe see also [url]https://erviss.org/[/url] or https://erviss.org/ To end this post positive...there is still a lot of work done. From [url]https://twitter.com/IndependentSage[/url] or https://twitter.com/IndependentSage (is their own site hacked by a Chinese company ?) to the WHO, (E)CDC etc... |
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- and DJ, maybe as a reminder; Governments are supposed to PROTECT the public...Politicians are supposed to care for public health... Looking at western support for the Ukraine genocide of Russian speakers (in fact still ongoing, NATO weapons used against civilians in Russian held area's of Ukraine on a massive scale...), the Israeli mass murder of thousends of Palestinians this month. Both Ukraine and Israel scene of massive human rights violations by the west for maybe decades... Is "genocide by pandemic" simply a crazy idea ? Genocide by climate collapse may be a fact... We have Billions and Billions of tons of Greenhouse Gases in the atmosphere and so far, we are making no effort to remove them. We are effectively committing suicide thanks to the Oil Industry. DJ...it may be hard to define/find a "point of no return"...maybe we are beyond "peak humans" in one way or the other ? Less humans on this planet-consumption down and more wise...NOT profit based if we-as a species-want to survive..is needed. So women getting less/no children may be part of a step forward...if we also find answers to aging... |
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DJ A look at [url]https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps[/url] or https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps (scroll down) indicating; -Age groups 0-14 and 15-44 still see high mortality -If you include the 2017 baseline only the 75-84 age group (for 2023) is under the 2017 base line (vaccines ?) DJ Most sequences are from severe ill hospital cases...So a lot of spread-NO testing !- simply is missing ! DJ, Lateral Flow Test (LFT) are the Do It Yourself tests ...far from perfect but at least better than nothing...but many countries even gave up on these kinds of tests... ---------- I stay on this -once a- forum to make up my mind; CoViD pandemic is NOT over ! Lots of indications (unvaccinated) groups see higher then pre-pandemic mortality/excess deaths Long CoViD is a very major global problem Decrease of immunity is opening the door to all kinds of other diseases CoViD and H5N1 spreading in mammals only increasing risks New forms of CoViD very likely only a matter of time DJ-Again !!! -The idea of getting (enough, long term) immunity after CoViD infection is WRONG !!! -The idea "vaccines can save us" is "over optimistic" -We can take lots of steps to reduce risks (ventilation, masks, limits of travel) but we are not doing that either A very WRONG !!! idea is "a disease will not kill that many people" because "a virus can not survive without a host"...CoViD is now widespread outside humans...It does NOT need humans to spread...Virusses and bacteria may "beat us"... Wars, climate collapse only is making matters much worse...IF we want to survive we need international cooperation NOT World War Three ! |
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DJ, During wars public health issues tend to be kept secret; info for the enemy of strategic value...That is how the 1917/18 H1N1 flu started to get out of control and even got the name "Spanish" Flu...Spain stayed out of World War One and had less censorship at that time... As far as I know there are at least twi theories on where H1N1 "started"; 1), Kansas-USA-spreading via US forces to France and 2), Austria...One question could be how long H1N1 was already spreading before it became a major flu-and later on a major killer...Maybe both USA and Austria did see early H1N1 spread from a common source... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Etymologies[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Etymologies ; Outbreaks of influenza-like illness were documented in 1916–17 at British military hospitals in Étaples, France,[24] and just across the English Channel at Aldershot, England. Clinical indications in common with the 1918 pandemic included rapid symptom progression to a "dusky" heliotrope cyanosis of the face. This characteristic blue-violet cyanosis in expiring patients led to the name 'purple death'.[25][26][27] The Aldershot physicians later wrote in The Lancet, "the influenza pneumococcal purulent bronchitis we and others described in 1916 and 1917 is fundamentally the same condition as the influenza of this present pandemic."[28] This "purulent bronchitis" is not yet linked to the same A/H1N1 virus,[29] but it may be a precursor.[28][30][31] In 1918, 'epidemic influenza' (Italian: influenza, influence),[32] also known at the time as 'the grip' (French: la grippe, grasp),[33] appeared in Kansas in the U.S. during late spring, and early reports from Spain began appearing on 21 May.[34][35] Reports from both places called it 'three-day fever' (fiebre de los tres días).[36][37][38] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Fourth_wave_of_1920 Fourth wave of 1920 In the Northern Hemisphere, fears of a "recurrence" of the flu grew as fall approached. Experts cited the history of past flu epidemics, such as that of 1889–1890, to predict that such a recurrence a year later was not unlikely,[136][137] though not all agreed.[138] In September 1919, U.S. Surgeon General Rupert Blue said a return of the flu later in the year would "probably, but by no means certainly," occur.[139] France had readied a public information campaign before the end of the summer,[140] and Britain began preparations in the fall with the manufacture of vaccine.[141] DJ, Java/Dutch East Indies and (British) India did see over 1 million deaths AFTER the 4th wave... Since the people living there were "subjects" not "citizens" a good administration on population was not there. Census-for tax reasons-later on indicated the massive loss of lives in these "colonies". ------------ We are now at the end of 2023...War is the western priority..."STOP BRICS+" keep the west dominating the globe-we did such a "good job" the past 500 years... - DJ, one would expect that someone like Dr. Fauci would know ways to limit catching CoViD.... DJ, Long CoViD may often turn out to be chronic CoViD with virus remaining in body organs...So...how many variants of CoViD could there be in humans ? DJ, Cat-like, mink/ferret-like animals may be "good" in catching CoViD...bats may have up to 30 different types of corona-virusses... - DJ..."living with this virus" IS genocide by pandemic...! "Our leaders" show they do not care about human lives...in Syria, Libya, Iraq, now in Ukraine, Gaza...NATO is a mass murderer for oil and gas...A "health crisis" -outcome of NO border health checks-is good for Big Pharma profits... As a reminder-in most non-western countries both big pharma and war-industry is in state hands/control... - Excess deaths as a "new normal"...Playing with statistics-putting 2020 as a "base line" to hide reality...We did see that kind of statistic-lies also in climate collapse... The basic problem is "crazy politicians" claiming a snowball is proof there is no climate change... Somehow "power/politics" is very attractive to all kinds of crazy persons... [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-spanish-physicians-warn-that-sars-cov-2-can-trigger-a-skin-condition-known-as-acute-pityriasis-rubra-pilaris[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-news-spanish-physicians-warn-that-sars-cov-2-can-trigger-a-skin-condition-known-as-acute-pityriasis-rubra-pilaris DJ, By now we know CoViD can do damage all over the body...Some variants seem to do more damage to some organs, other seem to prefer other organs... Statistics may indicate vaccines limit disease... |
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Posted: October 29 2023 at 11:04pm |
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- - - DJ, My non expert view; -We are in the defensive against CoViD/Flu -We have given up on all kinds of testing, waste water to PCR -Lots of indications CoViD and very likely flu will become a "big problem" (with new variants/mutations-massive non-human spread) -Masks, ventilation is helping to decrease a viral load on an individual level...Vaccines may have done a decent job but did bring immunity evading variants So with a background of both; climate collapse ([url]https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-starts-clearing-up-hurricane-otis-wreckage-casualties-reach-27-2023-10-27/[/url] or https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-starts-clearing-up-hurricane-otis-wreckage-casualties-reach-27-2023-10-27/ ) and wars public health risks only increase. You need a "healthy economy" to get "healthy people" and "the west" is sinking into an economic depression. Another non-expert view; The speed of currency collapse is often underestimated... [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#Background[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#Background ; To pay for the large costs of the ongoing First World War, Germany suspended the gold standard (the convertibility of its currency to gold) when the war broke out. Unlike France, which imposed its first income tax to pay for the war, German Emperor Wilhelm II and the Reichstag decided unanimously to fund the war entirely by borrowing. The government believed that it would be able to pay off the debt by winning the war and imposing war reparations on the defeated Allies. This was to be done by annexing resource-rich industrial territory in the west and east and imposing cash payments to Germany, similar to the French indemnity that followed German victory over France in 1870.[1] Thus, the exchange rate of the mark against the US dollar steadily devalued from 4.2 to 7.9 marks per dollar between 1914 and 1918, a preliminary warning to the extreme postwar inflation.[2] This strategy failed as Germany lost the war, which left the new Weimar Republic saddled with massive war debts that it could not afford: the national debt stood at 156 billion marks in 1918.[3] The debt problem was exacerbated by printing money without any economic resources to back it.[1] The demand in the Treaty of Versailles for reparations – 132 billion gold marks (US$33 billion, 1914 exchange rate), later revised under the Young Plan to 112 billion marks (US$26.3 billion, 1914 exchange rate) – further accelerated the decline in the value of the mark. By late 1919, 48 paper marks were required to buy a US dollar.[4] Afterwards, German currency was relatively stable at about 90 marks per dollar during the first half of 1921.[5] Because the Western Front of the war had been mostly fought in France and Belgium, Germany came out of the war with most of its industrial infrastructure intact, leaving it in a better position to become the dominant economic force on the European continent[6] after an Allied ultimatum to impose economic sanctions that would force Germany to meet payments.[7] - In the first half of 1922, the mark stabilized at about 320 marks per dollar.[4] International reparations conferences were being held. One, in June 1922, was organized by US investment banker J. P. Morgan, Jr.[12] The meetings produced no workable solution, and inflation erupted into hyperinflation, the mark falling to 7,400 marks per US dollar by December 1922.[4] The cost-of-living index was 41 in June 1922 and 685 in December, a nearly 17-fold increase. By the Autumn of 1922, Havenstein's Reichsbank found itself unable to make reparations payments.[13] - A loaf of bread in Berlin that cost around 160 Marks at the end of 1922 cost 200,000,000,000 Marks by late 1923.[15] By November 1923, one US dollar was worth 4,210,500,000,000 German marks.[17] DJ, The US/west does not (yet) have debts in the form of repair-payments...however other debts are very alarming...With an ability to pay for those debts only getting weaker... The US$ has been used as an economic weapon. Stealing Russian, Venezuela, Afghan etc. reserves with western banks did pay for some of the wars...but those countries want their money back...The Euro may be in a different position-the EU more flexible...Hungarian pro-Russian stands may see following in other EU countries...Lots of EU companies NEED the Asian market... Since 2024 is a US election year lots of "parties" want to make the US pay for all its wars...This will bring healthcare collapse... ------- In Ukraine "rounding up women" for yet another offensive against "Russia stopping NATO" may see lots of soldiers without weapons, transport and in a worse case even without warmth, food, clean water...Disease will spread with high speed under that kind of conditions... The Gaza-war can not last long...Israel may run out of weapons to fight such a war for months-using lots of shells per day...The Turkish-Iranian-Arab (TIA) organization to stop this Israeli mass murder may be going high speed...Latest claim is over 12,000 Palestinians were murdered by Israel...Even the US may think this has to stop.... But public health also in that region will see massive disease outbreaks...In Yemen [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%93present)#Humanitarian_situation[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%93present)#Humanitarian_situation cholera and cyclones mixed... As the war dragged on through the summer and into the fall, things were made far worse when Cyclone Chapala, the equivalent of a category 2 Hurricane,[243] made landfall on 3 November 2015. According to the NGO Save the Children, the destruction of healthcare facilities and a healthcare system on the brink of collapse as a result of the war will cause an estimated 10,000 preventable child deaths annually. - In March 2017, the World Food Program reported that while Yemen was not yet in a full-blown famine, 60% of Yemenis, or 17 million people, were in "crisis" or "emergency" food situations.[245] In June 2017, a cholera epidemic resurfaced which was reported to be killing a person an hour in Yemen by mid June.[246] News reports in mid June stated that there had been 124,000 cases and 900 deaths and that 20 of the 22 provinces in Yemen were affected at that time.[247] UNICEF and WHO estimated that, by 24 June 2017, the total cases in the country exceeded 200,000, with 1,300 deaths.[248] 77.7% of cholera cases (339,061 of 436,625) and 80.7% of deaths from cholera (1,545 of 1,915) occurred in Houthi-controlled governorates, compared to 15.4% of cases and 10.4% of deaths in government-controlled governorates, since Houthi-controlled areas have been disproportionately affected by the conflict, which has created conditions conducive to the spread of cholera.[249] DJ, often conditions are that bad help may not reach area's most in need... We need to make global public health (and NOT profits !!!) priority #1 ! ....of course we are NOT doing it...there is a price to pay... |
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