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Global warming has melted over 3 trillion tons of ice in Antarctica since 1992, and it's only getting worse



the GREATEST crisis to ever face the human species
and the "leader" of the free world is doing what about it ??????????????????????????????????????
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there's nothing that can be done ,without putting BILLIONS of people out of work, and  thats not going to work,

unless we have a Pandemic which kills off 50% to 75% of the worlds population  this planet will be unlivable for humans,and alot of other animals that have a RIGHT to live here,just as much as we do,

we have well and truly Killed this wonderful gift of nature .(i'm not a believer in God)

i worry for my grandchildren...............

the planet will survive,it survived the comet that killed the Dinosaur's ,the dinosaur's didnt,anyone that doubts this fact please explain the KT boundary  ....................

Definition of K-T boundary. : the transition between the Cretaceous and Tertiary periods of geologic time characterized by a mass extinction of many forms of life including the dinosaurs; also : a geologic stratum marking this boundary.

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12 Monkeys...............
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green DJ-There may be no time for "Soylent Green" when things collapse it may go very fast.....

When I think of next generation(s) the only correct feeling proberbly is guilt-we could not stop it-even with all possible efforts we only may be able to slow the collapse down. 

The planet will become unlivable due to nuclear reactors crashing, dumps leaking etc. We turned this planet into a timebomb that is about to explode. 

(I hope I am completely wrong on this-"hopium" may be the last defenseline.)

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Scotland just recorded its highest ever temperature, not just for June, but EVER!  It was also the driest June on record and there is no end in sight for the heatwave.

The unusual heat extends into the arctic and the rise in temperatures there has stalled the jetstream in a southerly direction (going north from the south).  This creates a feedback loop of warming: https://news.mongabay.com/2018/06/2018-arctic-sea-ice-melt-season-just-got-a-big-headstart/

It may be exceptional locally, but the Antarctic is not getting off scott free either:  http://www.wired.co.uk/article/climate-change-news-antarctica-ice-melting-faster-global-warming

Hubby and I picked where we live with great care for such a senario and I still find it scary!
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Can someone teach Donnie how to read a thermometer, please/
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We had a very dry june-still for statistics-since we had some rain june 1st-it was not recordbreaking for the Netherlands. Since there is rain falling in the "riversystem" in France, Germany waterlevel in the rivers are not dropping extreme. Still "we" have to keep the dykes wet-otherwise dikes my dry out and break. Also an increase for "piping" water running under the dykes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_erosion. A sharp increase in natural fires.

On a global scale;



More gloom&doom;



DJ-https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva is following methane, radiation etc. on his facebook-page. With his military background also his claim the cia is the drugs-gang#1 may be serious....

Normaly I would put this kind of "news" in the dungeon.  https://www.facebook.com/albert.kallio gives this link to the "Baltic incident" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/nato-jet-buzzes-russian-ministers-plane-military-hostilities/ (Veli Albert Kallio earlier claimed that in the middle of june a baltic state shot down a russian fighter after wich Russia sunk three NATO boats/ships)

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/05/21/coming-collapse When politics is in the hands of the major companies democracy is gone....
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Red-hot planet: All-time heat records have been set all over the world during the past week


http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2018/07/red-hot-planet-all-time-heat-records.html


and yet the political pundits on the "conservative" side
continue to insist nothing is wrong with the planet
apparently in their world 2+2  does not equal 4
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DJ-The present climate chaos will bring:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxuG-aWKj8A (Sharp) increase of hurricanes and global duststorms

The atmosphere itself is changing fast giving room for UV-C reaching the surface-a sharp increase in skincancer is on its way, but also small creatures will get killed by the radiation-effecting the foodchain. 
More land becoming desert, foodproduction getting difficult-with storms making food distribution a harder job as well. 

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/07/can-we-weather-the-danger-zone.html Sealevelrise, ice-melt, may go way faster than any model did predict. Bringing an increase in earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. Maybe those volcanic eruptions may give humans some time to maybe be able to slow down the collapse.......
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THE ENERGY CLIFF APPROACHES: World Oil & Gas Discoveries Continue To Decline


As the world continues to burn energy like there is no tomorrow, global oil and gas discoveries fell to another low in 2017.  And to make matters worse, world oil investment has dropped 45% from its peak in 2014.  If the world oil industry doesn't increase its capital expenditures significantly, we are going to hit the Energy Cliff much sooner than later.

According to Rystad Energy, total global conventional oil and gas discoveries fell to a low of 6.7 billion barrels of oil equivalent (Boe).  To arrive at a Boe, Rystad Energy converts natural gas to a barrel of oil equivalent.  In 2012, the world discovered 30 billion Boe of oil and gas versus the 6.7 billion Boe last year:

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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=CID-20180710-63836-USA and https://robertscribbler.com/2018/07/09/never-before-experienced-rains-hammer-japan-during-early-july/

DJ-International chaos rules-the situation-at the moment-is such a chaos-shocking does not describe it.

(Of course human suffering should be the main concern-from increase in slave-trade to massive death of refugees on their way to the EU/US)

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2018/07/numerous-benefits-of-100-clean-renewable-energy.html and http://theduran.com/the-return-of-great-power-competition-trump-putin-and-xi-navigate-multipolar-world-video/ The "power base" is dominating the global energy market. Russia is building nuclear powerplants in Egypt, Turkey, selling its weapons to Turkey, India, Saudi Arabia. 
The US tried to use oil as a weapon. 1-Large oil production (by the US and Saudi Arabia) would keep the petro-dollar alive and keep the price of oil down.
2-A low oil price (in US$) would damage Russia(n oil production) and push China to keep paying in US$ for energy. That strategy completely failed. Due to trade wars China is buying oil from Iran and Africa (in gold backed Yuan).
3-Oil/fossil fuels are a thing of the past-if the "industry" wants to profit from it they have to be fast-renewables are the future (if there is any future). So fossil fuel production going up, prices going down-climate change speeding up. 

As Robert Scribler describes-temperature rise of 1C=increase of water vapor by 8%. Evaporation from the heated oceans is going up-extreme weather is the new normal. 

(I am turning more and more to my books-looking at the past-the future is "dark"-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POzSXzwbwIc:
See a clinic full of cynics 
Who want to twist the peoples' wrist 
They're watching every move we make 
We're all included on the list
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
No nuclear the cowboy told us 
And who am I to disagree 
'Cause when the madman flips the switch 
The nuclear will go for me
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
I've seen the faces of starvation 
But I just can not see the points 
'Cause there's so much food here today 
That no one wants to take away
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anybody follow Guy McPherson ?
if you've seen any of his most recent presentations
you are aware that he is ,for lack of a better word"  predicting pretty much the collapse of everything
starting in Sept or Oct OF THIS YEAR
not only eco collapse but financial/governmental collapse as well

of course we have been hearing predictions of financial collapse since the last collapse of 2008
I am very surprised that Guy is "setting a date"
if his "prediction" is wrong it will go a LONG way in destroying his credibility

now excuse me
I have to take up smoking,drinking and just sinnin' in general
time is a wastin'LOL
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Hmmmmmm...................  He predicted the fall of civilization within a decade back in 2000, as a result of peak oil, so he already has some credibility issues.  This does not mean he is wrong (for instance oil has peaked) but does suggest a tendancy to over-react.

For what it is worth, I think him correct about climate reaching a tipping point, but to be adaptable is the ultimate survival trait and humans are the quintessance of adaptabilty.

Ps., Hubby also thinks him a year out on the tipping point.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Inrv4vxGg july 9 interview

-What I like from Guy McPherson is his coherent view-for any civilization to exist you need food. Food production needs good temperature, grounds, water etc. Climate change will disrupt that....

-What I hate from Guy McPherson is how you tell next generations his story....He is repeating his story for years-that does not make the essence of his story untrue. I hope he is incorrect-that he-and many others-got it wrong-"we" as 7.6bln humans-in peacefull coexistence with other lifeforms-can go on forever. Guy McP. makes clear that such is a fairytale...

Will society collapse this year or next year ? As far as I know the Arctic may keep it's ice this year. So when Guy relates a collapse to an ice-free-Arctic I think he is wrong-for the time being.
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Some other remarks on Guy McPherson;

-You still may see surface sea ice in the Arctic but the water below could be above freezing-making a large methane release possible. (One of the doom scenario's could be lightning making a methane cloud explode ?????) In other words-you may not need an ice-free-Arctic to see a large methane eruption (in the short term methane can contain heat up to 200 times more than CO2-a major methane release=a major lift for temperature-the methane release could be a cause for an ice-free Arctic.)

present climate disasters may bring a halt to western society. How much earthquakes, hurricane's, tsunami's, volcanic eruptions, wild fires etc. can a (western) country deal with ? A combination of disasters-most of them climate change related-will effect food production and distribution, healthcare, housing, public order etc. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingchi(3) "Death by a 1000 cuts" of society having to deal with disaster after disaster may fit more in the exponential-abrupt- climate change model.


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Some (of many) articles worth reading;


https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-collapse/(2) "Democracies" being taken over by big companies stop being democracies (and not only in the US !)


http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/07/trumps-false-arguments-will-not-sell-well-in-europe.html# (4) DJ-NATO was a problem from the start-a main cause for the cold war since 1949. Since 2001 NATO-in covert actions-did start many wars for the interest of a very rich elite. Spending up to 4% og GDP on weapons is insane-we need more money to deal with climate change (and healthcare education etc.)
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