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    Posted: February 15 2007 at 6:47am
Ok folks, i've got two questions for ya:
 
First one: I'm in the market for a dependable .22, something i can shoot either .22LR or .22 Mag out of, and preferably both. There are just too many brands out there and I'd like some insights into them.
 
I have a .22LR/.22Mag revolver, but it's damned difficult to find parts for cause it hasn't been manufactured for quite a while.
 
2nd question: Some years ago (like maybe 2000 or 2001) at a gun show in Ft. Worth, i saw what i can best describe as a derringer. It was small, and had a break open type action. Three barrels, two for 410 and one for .45. Anyone know what type of gun this is? I'm thinking something or home defense that even my mom could use in an emergency...She don't care for guns at all, but I think i'd feel safer when I travel out of town knowing that she would have access to something like that. A gun that's straightforward to load and shoot. Odds are, because it only had something like a 2 or 3 inch barrel that the range for really suck, but i can't think of anything else along these lines.
 
Anyone know what gun I'm talking about?
 
In reference to my 1st question, I had an AMT automag some years ago, but sold it. It was a pain in the neck to load and the slide always gave me problems.
 
Suggestions?
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Fiction, The only 22lr / 22mag combo I know of the the Ruger single six. It comes with 2 cylinders, 1 for each cartridge. It is a western style single action pistol. There has been a lot of action in the "cowboy" gun market lately, so a couple other manufactures may be doing the same thing now. I don't know. I won the Ruger, I'm very happy with it.

I don't know of any rifle that chambers both calibers.

A 3 barrel derringer?? I've never seen one. I've seen 1,2,and 4 barrel derringers, but not a 3 barrel one. That said most 45 colt derringers can also shoot a 2 1/2" .410. Thanks to Cowboy Action Shooting events there are several companies making these pistols. Check out a "Gun List" paper, or a Cowboy Action shooting magazine.

I should point out that all of these pistol are single action, that requires the hammer to be cocked for each shot. Are you sure you Mom can handle that much of a load from such a small gun?   If it was my Mom I would give her a simple 38spl revolver. But you do what you think is best.
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Well, like I said, 'derringer' is probably the wrong word. And it was about five yrs ago, so my memory is probably off, but i'll continue to look for it at any future gun shows.
 
Mom is a pretty strong woman. But she doesn't like guns. I was just trying to find something that would be lightweight, fairly easy to shoot, and yet have enough 'firepower' to either scare the **** outta someone, or do enough damage to make them think twice, hence the interest in a gun that loads both the 410 and 45 simultaneously.
 
Then again, she knows where I keep the 22, and where the shotshells are for it.
 
I'll take a look at that Ruger you mentioned. I'd prefer a semi-auto, but if i want it to fire both LR and Mag, then I'll have to compromise...
 
Thanks for the info!
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Fiction strong doesn't have much to do with it. I'm no wuss, and I don't like shooting the 410 out of those small guns.

Also they make "shot" shells for most pistol calibers. I have them in 22, 22mag, 38, and 9mm. They work OK on snakes, but I wouldn't trust them for self defense. Just my 2 cents.    
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Again, thanks for the info.
 
After some thought on the issue, i put together a search string for yahoo and found the gun i had seen at that show...or at least a variant of it. Cobray, Leinad, and FMJ all made one, and the Leinad and FMJ are the closest to what i saw. An over/under arrangement, in .45LC and 410, for about $100...but one of the guns i came across when the query included 'derringer' in the string, brought me to something called a Thunder 5, which was a 'derringer' with a 5-shot cylinder...so more of a revolver than anything else.
 
Snakes, yeah, that's what i had in mind for the .22 shotshells. I did not mean to imply for self defense against the two-legged critter types.
 
And after looking over the FMJ and leinad handguns, i'm thinking about it for me instead...to keep in the truck for those long jobs i do...the jobs where having a gun, even a two shot one, might make me feel just a little bit better and safer...lotta jobs lateley that have taken me out in to the brushy areas...
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FictionWriter why dont you get your mom a 22 rifle thats got a 10 round clip?They are easy to shoot,load ect.If I couldnt kill what ever I wanted to with 10 rounds Id give up.Ive had mine since I was 5 and its old the sites are off most people couldnt hit the broad side of a barn with it but its like my right arm I dont even use the sites.Ive never cared for pistols of any kind.I shoot my sons 20 ga shotgun but boy it kicks like a mule.
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Have both the .22 rifle and the 20 ga shotgun.
Talked to her last night about what I was looking for...and she vetoed the idea, rather harshly too. In her words, 'live by the gun, and die by the gun, and she wasn't ready to die just yet. So, if the starving hordes come to our door, I asked her, are you going to feed them our stash?
 
These days, i get the chance to do that about once or twice a week. Illegals, begging for change. If they see you out in your yard, they hit you up for money for food. And when the pandemic hits, they'll try the same tactic, and it'll be a warning shot or two, before the next is center mass.
 
I hate to sound so, uhm, harsh, but i'm pretty sure the rest of us here are thinking along these lines. Only reason i wanted to arm mom, is that it's just her and I here. And unfortunately, i can't seem to pull those allnighters like I did in college. At some point i will have to let my guard down and sleep, and that when i'll be the most scared.
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I don't know what to tell you. Is this a SP indoctrination, guns are evil thing? If it is not, I can only hope that when the chips are down she will understand the need for self defense.

Of course you can always tell her that since she doesn't want a gun, she has to become a black belt.   

I wish you luck on your dilemma.
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Not sure what 'SP Indoctrination' is. And i'm hopeful that if push comes to shove, she'll pick up a gun.
 
hmmm, an 84 yr old black belt...i wonder Question
 
Thanks for the luck tho...gonna need a lot of thought on this one.
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SP secular progressive, the common politically correct term for communist these days.

I regularly suggest a firearm safety course for non-gun people.   The reasoning is that EVERYBODY should be able to make a firearm safe. A little knowledge goes a long way to eliminating ones fear.
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Wolfgang, I"ve read some of your reports and you seem to posses  a rare thing ... common sence.  I"ve  handled guns since the age of 8.  Took my 22 to school with me. I guesw that comment tells my age.  One comment i hav'ent seen posterd about guns is a proper mind set.  A oerson can be taught to safely handle a weopon and even become a good shot.  Its another thibg for most people to pull the triger on someone  even in a desperate situation.  Even with military training , it sometimes takes a taste of xxxxx  before  you respond.  For all those who have to use a weopon in self defence, don't try to talk an antagonist to death . Don't count on a weopon unless you realy mean to use it. Pray God, you never have to.
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Oh. ok. Had never heard the term before. But as far as gun safety goes, she does know how to use one. My dad taught her that years ago. He even took her hunting once...but she never could get over the idea of shooting bambi...I see bambi and see venison Wink
 
Mindset. I had a good friend of mine, some years ago, explain it this way. He was very familiar with guns. He'd served in the army in Angola (he was Cuban). He said he probably fired off thousands of rounds in the jungle, never knowing if he hit anyone. When he came to the states, he had a handgun for protection. Some guy tried to rob him and his wife, so he warned him 'I have a gun and I'm not afraid to use it'. He told me that the witnesses to the event told the cops he rpeated that 3 or 4 times, even as the would be assailant got closer to him and his wife. Then he shot. Up close and personal.
 
He knew how to use a gun, had been trained to kill with one, yet he was so afraid of the consequences, that his shot was low...but it had the desired effect, shattering the other man's knee.
 
He told me, that in that split second before he pulled the trigger, that a million things can go through your mind. But it all comes down to, what are you willing to do to protect the ones you love.
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Fiction I agree with you. I belong to PETA. People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. I actually have the tee shirt. A little bit of advise. Don't wear that tee shirt to a cattle auction. Those cowboys get real upset till you get them to read the fine print.    Some people just don't have a sense of humor.

Mindset.... Anybody that has taken psych 101 can tell you about fight or flight. Very few can tell you about kill or be killed. I'm afraid no one can describe it to you. But once you cross it the world is different. The importance of certain "things" in life are different. It also gives you an advantage over someone that has never reached that line. Simply because you know where the line is.

Fiction don't worry about Mom. If she has the basic's down she will be OK.

Snuffie, well said.       
    
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To all of those who own guns. Do not post how many and what kind of guns you own. Both bad guys and police are readind this and then both will know where to come to take your guns. All that is needed is a pump shotgun for each family member for home defense and plenty of ammo.Shotgun shells are big in size and can be used up very quickly so have many more than you think that you need. Maybe different sizes and different cal. for each family memeber and also plenty of training by a certified firearms instuctor. Do not tell you strenths to anyone because then they will know how to attack you. Johnray1
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Good advice Johnray1!We have a family member that is an NRA certified instructor.I was informed that if you are an owner of a shotgun,one should load it like this.Shot shell etc.I have no compunction in defending my kith and kin, under any circumstances!I live in a semi rural area and I do not belive violence would be a problem,its' the "outsiders" coming into our community, that concerns me the most.

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As for my original question, i found the gun I was looking for. Bond Arms in Texas makes it. .45 over a .410 (or was it .410 over a .45?)
 
Anyways, as a gun for snakes or other small varmints, i think it might have it's uses. Against a two-legged critter...i'd have to be a damned good shot Wink
 
And be VERY lucky!
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Anon 54,you are very lucky to have family memeber that is a certified NRA Instructor. Now you and your family need to go a shooting range with him either one at a time or all at a time{it should be his preference} and learn everything that he knows. Johnray1
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Insomniac,get rid of the .22/.22mag. These guns are usually very poor. Get rid of the derringer,they are only made for shooting across tables or under tables,you do not need it and unless it is a very expensive derringer,it will be undependable. Get a 12 gauge pump shoot gun,I prefer Remington. These other 2 guns that are talking about will just get you into trouble or get you killed.Johnray1
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Insomiac is a TROLL
 
He's trying to hijack my original post to spread his lies...
 
Where the heck is the report button?
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Johnray1,
 
The .22/.22WMR is one gun...a revolver, that's an inherited gun...The quality, however, is excellent. I've enjoyed target shooting it for years...Don't have the derringer, and was originally asking about it as a 'last resort' sort of weapon...but i've pretty much talked myself out of it...if that's my last resort...i might as well just give up and die, eh?
 
Have the shotgun in question...as made by Ithaca...
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