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If someone is in the market for a .22 to purchase with the possiblity of using siad weapon for self defense, I would recommend in 22LR a semi-auto like the Ruger 10-22.  Its accurate, dependable, and can fire 10 rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger.  The rifle is easier to shoot, and the ballistics are better than a pistol.  In a .22 mag i would recommend a dependable semi-suto like the Marlin line for the same reason.  The .22LR/.22Mag would not be my first choice for self defense, but in a survival situation the wieght oand cost of the ammunition makes it a viable alternative. 

In handguns the only combos I know of are the Ruger single six and the Heritage arms series.  These are single action and slow to reload.  I think that again a semi auto like th eBuckmarks or Mark II by ruger would be a good choice.

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AMT makes a semi-auto pistol in .22 Mag. I've used it, and found it difficult to reload, until the action was well used. The revolver i was talking about pre-dates the Ruger and Hermitage series...we're talking late 40's maybe early 50's for Sauer and Sohn of west germany. Very tough to find parts.
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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

To all of those who own guns. Do not post how many and what kind of guns you own. Both bad guys and police are readind this and then both will know where to come to take your guns.


Huh? I am a police officer and I *DO NOT* want your guns, nor am I ever going to even attempt to take them from you. I get more than my fair share of lead in my diet just from the shooting I do. I don't need a large dose of lead with the accompanying new breathing hole, thank you very much.

Police aren't bad. People with anti authority problems are. You should worry more about your congressman reading this more than a police officer.
    
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most crooked politicians are to busy working on their latest scam or playing hide the salami with that hot young staffer.
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    Too bad that guest/police officer isn't one of our regular readers, I'd like to talk to him about police preps for pandemic.
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That person is me John.
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

That person is me John.

    
OH, ok. Tell me about what's going on in the force, anyone level headed enough to start pandemic planning? What do you propose to do in case of pandemic, are you authorized to fire on someone breaking quarantine? Will you be handing out emergency supplies?
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    One of my brothers was a plain clothes detective for the King County Police. He died a couple years ago from a brain tumor. He made good money, had a brand new house. I'm too old to join the force.
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Originally posted by johngardner1 johngardner1 wrote:

OH, ok. Tell me about what's going on in the force,


Usual. We're dealing with a bridge that fell down, and responding to the gunshot detectors that our thoughtful big brother installed around the city. I call it a prelude to cameras on every corner of the city, as it hasn't been responsible for a single arrest. Basically we're responding to where someone fired off a few rounds and walked off.

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anyone level headed enough to start pandemic planning?


It's not really discussed at my level, but there's some smart people involved. Level headed? I dunno. Who's going to be level headed when facing a Pandemic.

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What do you propose to do in case of pandemic, are you authorized to fire on someone breaking quarantine?


I've already talked about what I'd do. As for shooting people breaking quarantine, not going to happen. I fully understand leaving an area that's infected, and being handled by the government, or being the enforcer of the handling does not appeal to me. I'd walk off if it came to that.

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No. The government's stance is that they'll do what they can, but for the most part you're on your own.
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    Tell me about looting, has it been talked about? Going to shoot them? If they have no money cuz there are no businesses, what then?
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Originally posted by johngardner1 johngardner1 wrote:

     Tell me about looting, has it been talked about?


Again, not at my level. In the event of a major catastrophe I assume that they'd hand out M16's to us all and push us out under FEMA control to do whatever it is FEMA dictates.

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God, I hope not. I hope it doesn't get to that point. I guess it really depends on how bad it really gets. If it's one of those End of The World scenarios I won't be a police officer anymore, will I? If some came to sack and loot my personal home/family etc, if they push the issue I'll shoot them. In an official status it would really depend on what was being looted, and whether it was a bad situation. If people are taking food because they're starving, hell no. If they're stealing big screen televisions and they react aggressively when told to stop, whatever force they decide to use, I'll reciprocate.

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If they have no money cuz there are no businesses, what then?

    
If they have no money and they're stealing food, water, etc from supermarkets only a heartless moron would shoot them.

If it gets to the point where there's no businesses, no government, no nothing, I believe my employment has come to an end. I wouldn't don that uniform anymore. It's already like having a giant target on my back and there's no catastrophe underway.
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

Originally posted by johngardner1 johngardner1 wrote:

     Tell me about looting, has it been talked about?


Again, not at my level. In the event of a major catastrophe I assume that they'd hand out M16's to us all and push us out under FEMA control to do whatever it is FEMA dictates.

Quote Going to shoot them?


God, I hope not. I hope it doesn't get to that point. I guess it really depends on how bad it really gets. If it's one of those End of The World scenarios I won't be a police officer anymore, will I? If some came to sack and loot my personal home/family etc, if they push the issue I'll shoot them. In an official status it would really depend on what was being looted, and whether it was a bad situation. If people are taking food because they're starving, hell no. If they're stealing big screen televisions and they react aggressively when told to stop, whatever force they decide to use, I'll reciprocate.

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If they have no money cuz there are no businesses, what then?

    
If they have no money and they're stealing food, water, etc from supermarkets only a heartless moron would shoot them.

If it gets to the point where there's no businesses, no government, no nothing, I believe my employment has come to an end. I wouldn't don that uniform anymore. It's already like having a giant target on my back and there's no catastrophe underway.

    

Here's some survival information for you Turboguy. At your police station, do you know where they keep the cop car keys? Do you know what kind of firearms they keep in the trunk? Make sure you don't get into the back of the police car or you'll die there. Can you access the firearms they store in the station itself? Ammo, extra clips? Any food supplies they might have for the inmates?
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    Here's a tough question for you turboguy, if you are one of the last of the cops, would you shoot the dangerous inmates or let them starve to death? Would you let any of the inmates out, especially those in for minor offenses? What's your plan?
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    In the event of starving to death, I don't think any of us here want to end up in jail during a pandemic. I don't want to die that way myself. Most jail cells have a sink in them, you wouldn't die of thirst but you might eat some of your own fingers. I have gone without food before, you get nauseated and you get a headache.
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I used to be opposed to guns, but when you sit and think about the possibilty of someone armed wanting to take your families preps (and lifeline), principals go out of the window. I don't have a lot of money to spend that my wife would miss (she's not on board yet) so I'm looking at an old Mosin Nagant 91/30. I know - old gun and slow to reload, but much more effective as a deterent than a knife, baseball bat, etc. Big 5 regularly has them on sale - I may go and check out what they've got this weekend. For $84 and $70 for the background check, it'll be a major thing I can check off my to do list. I've researched what to look for (non matching serial numbers, pitted bore, sticky bolt, etc) so hopefully I'll get something that'll do the job for very little outlay.
    
    
    
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    Go to your local sports store, Fred Meyer's carries rifles in the sports section. Also, gun shops could have everything you're looking for.
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I'd like to go shopping but my budget is extremely tight. I haven't seen anything that I'd want to pull the trigger on for as little money as the Mosins at Big 5. I checked on the internet and they have quite a following as long as you're careful about the condition. I've never seen a Fred Meyers in this neck of the woods. Today conspired to stop me picking one up though - a routine trip to the dentists blew my budget further out of the water when I found out I need to have two root canals (spent six hours today between my dentists office and an endodontist to get one fixed), two crowns, and four fillings. Popping ibuprophen and nursing a sore jaw at the moment as the endodontist said one of the roots stopped just short of the sinus cavity in my cheek.
Let this be a lesson to everybody - get your teeth up to par just in case the SHTF and you can't get to a dentist for a while.
    
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Jacksdad, instead of buying a Mosin from a store, you can order them directly from sources like J&G sales, get them in nearly new condition, and not have to deal with screwing around with a gun dealer that's trying to sell you crappy stuff.

You DO NOT WANT A GUN WITH A PITTED BORE! IF IT'S GOT A PITTED BORE IT'S GOT PITTED OTHER STUFF AND MIGHT BLOW UP! IF THE BOLT IS STICKING, IT'S BEEN FIRED WITH OVERPRESSURE CARTRIDGES, DO NOT BUY IT. Non matching serial numbers aren't that big of a deal, but it's nice for collectors.

If you don't mind me asking, what city/state do you live in that it'd cost you $70 for a background check on a bolt action long gun? In most cases there is no background check for these weapons outside the standard *FREE* NICS instant check. Caveat Emptor, it sounds fishy to me.

For $150 you can buy a mint Mosin Nagant, with 440 rounds of 7.62x54r ammo. I'll find you some links:

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http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/7-62x54r-bulgarian-heavy-ball-fmj-ammo%2C-300-rd-sealed-tin-/products_id/1692


Rifle
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/military-bolt-action-rifles/russian/p/mosin-nagant-m-44-laminated-/cPath/209_219_261/products_id/1532


If you call them make sure you ask for and pay the extra $10.00 for "Hand Select." It's very worth it. Buy the M44's as they're more modern and haven't taken the abuse the m38's have. Some of the '44's never saw action, ALL of the 38's did, and they show it.
    
Don't discount these rifles. They're cheap, reliable, accurate, and POWERFUL! The 7.62x54 is nearly as powerful as our 30.06. If push came to shove and you had to shoot someone with this rifle, if you hit them, they're staying down. I've killed deer with mine, and I've seen people take bear with them as well. They do have a stout recoil though, just to warn you. If you get one, get an NRA safety course under your belt, and *PRACTICE* with it. The ammo for them is dirt cheap. you can afford to have a little fun with it.
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    We used to target practice every summer we went camping. Even though we never did do disneyland, the camping trips I think were a much better vacation. I've been using guns since I was 5, thats 32 years of experience.
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Thanks for the post turboguy. I'm basing the background check on the experience of a friend who picked up a pump load 12 gauge (I'm in San Diego, Ca). It may well be different for a bolt action gun. I'll call them tomorrow to find out. Thanks for the tips - I plan on making sure the gun I do buy is about as nice as I can find. I've heard horror stories concerning Big 5 Mosins, but I've also heard of people scoring them in almost unused condition. I'll check the links you provided too. Much appreciated :)
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