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yes thats it ,

captivating show ,iv watched it 3 times ,

i wont coment on the Fox (fake) news item ,

it Lunacy at its  best ,and its not a FULL MOON 

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China is after the Uranium ,

thats what all the island building is all about...........

and the bases they building  in Sri Lanka ,

and Djibouti............

bet thats not on Fox(fake) news

coz theres never any real  news on any Murdochs (BIG BROTHER ) Press 
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Why is it that we are still talking about Hillary?  She is not running again and she is not any more powerful then any other US citizen.  She lost the electoral vote.  She is as powerful as Romney, does anyone care about what Romney is up to?  Trump is embarrassing but I wish him success as long as it does not involve him killing millions of people.  
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if i was trump i would be worried about an Obama comeback ,

not what hillary said or did..............
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What if Watergate had happened two years after Nixon  was no longer in office?  Then it is not an issue of impeachment. It is criminal and a non-sitting president is not immune from going to jail.

The statute of limitations varies but there is none for treason.

http://banktalk.org/2012/04/26/six-crimes-with-no-statute-of-limitations

Hillary was a lawyer. She was totally aware of everything going on with the Clinton Foundation - the corruption - the bribes and 20% of uranium being sold to the Russians.

The point is all this effort, press, and hard core prosecution has gone into proving Trump worked with the Russians to win the election. There still is no proof he did. There is a lot of hardcore evidence against Obama and Hillary. Not only them but the people running the investigation of Russian involvement were involved with the Russians.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/republicans-see-tables-turned-as-dems-face-fresh-russia-controversies.html


“Now it’s the Democrats who have some explaining to do,” Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said in a statement overnight. “I hope they will cooperate with the investigation, be forthcoming with the American people and I expect the media to cover these new developments with the same breathless intensity that they have given to this investigation since day one.”

NBC News first reported early Monday that Tony Podesta and The Podesta Group are now subjects in the special counsel’s Russia investigation, following inquiries regarding former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s finances. 

REPORT: MUELLER PROBE EXPANDS TO TONY PODESTA'S DEALINGS

According to Monday’s NBC News report, Mueller’s team started looking into a Manafort-involved PR campaign for a pro-Ukraine nonprofit reportedly backed by a pro-Russia party; the Podesta Group reportedly was one of many firms that worked on the campaign. According to the report, Mueller’s investigators have since launched a criminal inquiry into whether the company violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), which requires people in the U.S. who lobby on behalf of foreign entities to register as foreign agents and disclose their work.

comment: CNN is oblivious and refuses to cover this news. They continue in Social Justice Warrior mode to give every person attacking Trump headlines while ignoring issues that are vital to our country. The new investigation is ignored.  They are Fake News - not Real News. Their page reads more like the National Enquirer than a reliable news source. CBS is breaking away a little. NY times is no better - not a story or a line about a huge scandal and whiplash for the Democrats now that the table has turned.

The Democrats are so loud because they are so losing. Have you ever been talking to someone who is passionate about something and you introduce a few facts which completely destroys their argument and then they come up with something else? This called doubling down -

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=double%20down

The term is increasingly used as a media euphemism when political figures tell bald-faced lies and when confronted with contradictory statements, the politician not only fails to retract their claims but instead expresses an increased certainty in their truth.

We see a picture of Comey and his discovered Twitter account. He has a beatific smile, all charm and sharing his pictures. Every Trump picture has him frowning and looking like an annoyed brat.  When they can catch the fish mouth, they do. None of this is relevant. It is the media's way of showing criminals - making the masses laugh at people they don't like or is profitable for them to attack. Look at the transsexual arrested for raping the 10 year old with a tearful face. He was (now she- we must be accurate or is this accurate? a monster. The media can make you look real bad - from movie star to scary looking.

We have not been doing well with the Russians. We lost a huge amount of tech when a master spy assigned to investigate the mole leaking secrets was the mole.  We have a lot more to worry about than Russia trying to influence elections.

http://observer.com/2016/08/the-real-russian-mole-inside-nsa/

Edward Snowden no doubt took a large amount of secrets as well.  Yet, he did not get any money and quite more significantly $145,000,000 dollars went back and forth to people involved in the uranium sale to Russia.

They were dealing with Putin - who seems to be in the spotlight more and more.  The irony - who knew about and covered this with great zeal?  The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

By JO BECKER and MIKE McINTIRE

Beyond mines in Kazakhstan that are among the most lucrative in the world, the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

comment: We have far more than a smoking gun here - we have pictures of the person holding it and firing.

https://www.usapoliticstoday.com/clinton-foundation-145-million-russia/

Hillary Clinton approved the transfer of 20 percent of U.S. uranium to Russia and nine investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.

comment: What is difficult to understand about this?

While Hillary Clinton’s State Department was one of eight agencies to review and sign off on the transfer of 20 percent of U.S. uranium to Russia — then-Secretary of State Clinton herself was the only agency head whose family foundation received $145 million in donations from multiple people connected to the uranium deal, as reported by the New York Times.

comment: The Clinton foundation was a front and used to funnel money for "pay for play" to foreign enemies of the U.S.  This is incredible. While tainted investigators dig to try and find some link through Trump's employees we have collusion of the highest order not only with Hillary but the Obama Administration as well.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/356239-trump-obama-era-uranium-deal-is-real-russia-story

"The problem is mainstream media does not want to cover that story because that affects people they protect," Trump claimed. "So they don’t like covering that story. But the big story is uranium and how Russia got 20 percent of our uranium and, frankly, it’s a disgrace and it’s a disgrace that the fake news won’t cover. It’s so sad.” 

The Hill reported Wednesday that the FBI uncovered evidence that Russian nuclear officials were involved in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering before the Obama administration approved the deal.

comment: This was threat to the national security of America selling 20% of uranium to Russia for a $145,000,000 kickback to Clinton's foundation. It happened. It is provable with hardcore evidence and the mainstream is ignoring it because - it doesn't fit their narrative and they continue to headline stories attacking Trump. People are not fooled. And when the elections come - a hard rain is going to fall on the Democrats.

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My original question still stands unanswered, Med.  Until it is (or she is arraigned, which would answer it by default) intelligent opinion remains largely unchanged about Hilary.  

There are counter arguments to every point you raise, including those which reflect badly on Trump (I might loathe him, but everyone is innocent until proven guilty) but that point should be cleared up before anything else is considered for discussion.  Without the answer, everything else is suspect.

So, still waiting.................................................................
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Could it be that there is only extremely circumstantial and invented evidence.  Lies, Damn lies and Trump Tweets?


Still waiting.....................................................................


I have answered you several times now and if you would read my last post it specifically references hard core evidence that the foundation received $145,000,000 from multiple donors in exchange for the uranium deal. Before charges can be filed, they must start a new investigation and that goes back to our Judicial Branch and Jeff Sessions.  Okay fair enough. Here is your answer and in a video which is very current.


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Now they are investigating.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/house-republicans-launch-new-probes-into-obama-era-uranium-one-deal-fbi-handling-clinton-case.html

House Republicans on Tuesday launched new probes into several Obama-era controversies, covering both the Justice Department’s 2016 handling of the Clinton email case and the administration’s 2010 approval for the sale of a mining company that gave the Russians partial control over American uranium reserves.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., announced his committee and the House Oversight Committee will investigate the so-called Uranium One deal.

“We’re not going to jump to any conclusions, but we’re going to try and get the facts,” Nunes said.

Separately, the House oversight and judiciary committees announced a joint investigation into the Justice Department and FBI’s handling of the Clinton email probe.  

"Decisions made by the Department of Justice in 2016 have led to a host of outstanding questions that must be answered,” House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said in a statement.

comment: Finally. I have a new respect for FOX network. The only one covering this.

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Perhaps if I repeat the question, you will understand it.  If she is so guilty, why did Trump drop his promise to chase her until he could "Lock her up"?  

You have given lots and lots and lots of lengthy answers, some were probably accurate, but you have never answered that specific question and it is axiomatic to this whole thread.  Perhaps I could rephrase it.  Would that help?

Trump himself dropped his pursuit of Hilary.  Why?  My question did not relate to any inquiry about Obama and his administration or Hilary's husband.  In fact the specific root of the question was Trump.  Why is he not personally keeping that campaign promise?  

To remind you, Trump said before the election that he would pursue her and "lock her up".  No sooner had the election ended than he said he would drop the pursuit.  

Personally I suspect they are both crooked enough to embarrass a gordian knot and that is the answer, but I asked you to answer this question, as you have adopted the chase of Hilary - apparently on Trump's behalf - at least as far as AFT is concerned; I doubt the wider world gives a damn.  My own suspicions continue on to the belief that the far-right media (which is the source of most of your information, that and the loony fringe) is being encouraged to adopt the Hilary-hunt as a distraction from Trump (their hero)'s regular faux pas.  This might be a good thing as, if the distraction fails, Trump could possibly take the world into war as the next distraction attempt.

In conclusion, most of your 'evidence', though not necessarily all, remains suspect until the original question is answered.  Then, and only then will the debate be worth considering.  Trump, after all, is the one in power now and you yourself said this thread was about Hilary, not Bill or Barack.

So, drop the distraction tactics please, or answer the actual question.   Preferably before we fill another page with this interminable discussion, which I will have to return and wade through (not looked forward to, believe me) to answer all the questions I did not answer the first time, while waiting for you to answer my original question.  I am still waiting.
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It has more than hit the fan now and as I commented yesterday they now have a smoking gun - in fact several. Bottom line.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/25/fusion-gps-fallout-dnc-clinton-fbi-take-heat-after-bombshell-that-dems-funded-trump-dossier.html

The bombshell revelation that Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund the controversial anti-Trump dossier last year has lawmakers and the media asking tough questions about how the dubious document was used by the highest levels of U.S. law enforcement – and why Democrats “lied” about its origins.

In the midst of a court case that threatened to reveal the dossier’s funding, it emerged overnight that political consulting firm Fusion GPS was retained last year by Marc E. Elias, an attorney representing the DNC and the Clinton campaign. The firm then hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to write the now-infamous dossier.


comment: The Clinton Campaign - DNC funded the report even after the election paying the Russians for dirt on Trump. If this isn't collusion to control American politics, what is?

Caught with no possible excuse for deliberately misleading American Intelligence, working with the Russians to destroy Trump.

This is huge and unbelievable. The depth and levels of corruption not only of the Clintons but the Obama Administration is knee deep in this.

I have outtakes of Hillary's comments back stage how there are two versions - one she gives to her voters and one she shares with her friends - who now appear - some which were Russians.

It is the old Hitler big lie technique. A story so bad no one can believe it.

And now the the witch hunt begins - for the real witch all along.

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Steele Dossier was funded first by Trump's GOP opponents then by Democrats—which we knew all along

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/25/1709698/-Steele-Dossier-was-funded-first-by-Trump-s-GOP-opponents-then-by-Democrats-which-we-knew-all-along

golly gee
 a politician paid someone to dig up dirt on their opponent
what's the world coming to
lets all just gasp and clutch our pearls !!!
YOU do remember when Donnie Jr met with the Russians when the claimed they had dirt on Hillary don't you ???????????????????????????????

and it is clear the Russians and Assange desperately wanted Trump in office
as their efforts were all directed towards that objective

and lets see the FULL disclosure of that dossier
I bet its mighty good readingLOL

and really Med
giving Trump credit for a new VA clinic which obviously was years in planning ???
if you are honest you will send a thank you note to Barack Hussein Obama for that clinic
one of the last things he did before leaving office was to designate BILLIONS more for the VA
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Analysis | The Clinton camp and DNC funded what became the Trump-Russia dossier: Here’s what it means


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-the-clinton-camp-and-dnc-funded-what-became-the-trump-russia-dossier-here%e2%80%99s-what-it-means/ar-AAu1aBw?li=BBnbcA1

The firm that the Clinton camp and the DNC paid also has alleged ties to the Kremlin. In Senate testimony in July, Hermitage Capital Management chief executive William Browder accused Fusion GPS and its head, Glenn Simpson, of running a smear campaign against Sergei Magnitsky, a Russian whistleblower who in 2009 was tortured and killed in a Russian prison after uncovering a $230 million tax theft. Magnitsky worked for Browder, and he is the namesake of a law containing sanctions that was passed by Congress and is a sore spot between the U.S. government and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Browder said the smear campaign was run by Fusion GPS with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Russian-American lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin. You might remember them from the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. that took place in June 2016. Veselnitskaya was the Russian lawyer with alleged Kremlin ties who arranged the meeting.

They were all allegedly working with the law firm Baker Hostetler to defend the Russian company Prevezon from charges it laundered funds stolen in the fraud Magnitsky uncovered.
“Veselnitskaya, through Baker Hostetler, hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act,” Browder will testify. “He contacted a number of major newspapers and other publications to spread false information that Sergei Magnitsky was not murdered, was not a whistleblower and was instead a criminal. They also spread false information that my presentations to lawmakers around the world were untrue.”

Fusion GPS has confirmed it worked on a lawsuit involving Veselnitskaya for two years, The Post's Josh Rogin reported. It denied any involvement in the Trump Jr. meeting.

The firm has worked with both Democrats and Republicans over the years.



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I can agree on one point, Med.  It is unbelievable.  If Hilary is so dirty, why is Trump not keeping his "lock her up" promise?  He dropped his prosecution within 48 hours of inauguration.  So. is she innocent?  Is that why?  Or, is he scared of what else will come out?  I suspect the latter, but it could be both.

Same specific question.  Still no specific answer.
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if Hillary is dirty
then Donnie Jr certainly is tooLOL
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How 'Putin's Revenge' became Trump's victory

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/frontline-putin-trump-134034759.html


there is NO indication that Putin tried to support Hlllary

by all indications he absolutely loathed her

Putin did everything he could to assure a Trump win

and thats why I think this whole Clinton/uranium story will turn out to be a bit nothing burger

but lets let Trey Gowdy and Darryl Issa waste millions of tax payer dollars to find this out


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must be only able to get Murdochs fake news where Med lives because meds links are always from that "news" organisation,

 Med ,you really do need to broaden your reading Matter, try the BBC , or the Aussie ABC, al Jazeera middle east news, or DW thats the German news, you could even try RT thats the Russian news.....

dont go to SKY another Murdoch fake news .org,

 you might suprise yourself and learn what the world already knows about CHUMP
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Despite the conspiracies, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are going backwards fast

By Bobo Lo

Posted about 2 hours ago

On the surface, Trump and Putin agree on much. They subscribe to a realist view of international relations, and reveal a certain authoritarian like-mindedness.

They resent the establishment — domestic in Trump's case, international in Putin's.

The "besieged fortress" mentality (the world against us) that has long been a part of Russian strategic culture is also present in Trump.

And both presidents adopt highly individualised approaches to decision-making, and place great importance on personal relations with other world leaders.

Such affinities should offer a reasonable basis for an improved US-Russia relationship. Yet nine months after Trump assumed office, almost nothing has been achieved. Instead of momentum, there is regression.

US sanctions against Russia have been strengthened. Accusations of Russian interference in the US democratic process have become more strident.

There has been no movement on counterterrorism cooperation. Even Washington's decision to end the CIA covert assistance program to the Syrian opposition, portrayed as a concession to Moscow, had been in the pipeline well before Trump was elected.

Why so little progress?

There are several reasons. Some are general and long-standing, such as strong anti-Kremlin sentiment in Congress and within the Republican Party.

But the biggest obstacles to movement in the US-Russia relationship arise from the dysfunctionality of the Trump administration.

First among these is the all-encompassing distraction of various Russia-related scandals.

It has proved impossible for the White House to push a Russia agenda in circumstances where any concession to Moscow, however minor, is viewed as suspicious or worse.

The scandals pose a mortal threat to Trump's presidency.

The second impediment to progress is anarchy within the administration, which is riven by divisions and infighting. It cannot govern itself, let alone take on major policy tasks.

We have seen this not only with respect to Russia, but also with key elements of the Republican domestic agenda, such as the repeal of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), immigration, and tax reform.

The adults' hands are tied

The appointments of Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State, James Mattis as Secretary of Defence, and HR McMaster as National Security Advisor were supposed to have injected some professionalism — "the adults back in charge" — into the business of government.

But these respected individuals have faced huge difficulties in carrying out their jobs.

Most of all, there is the problem of a president whose attention span is short, whose ignorance of foreign affairs is vast, and for whom wild policy swings are a virtue.

As a result, there is no policy coherence within the administration, least of all on Russia where there is a major divide between Trump on the one hand, and the US defence and security establishment on the other, with Secretary of State Tillerson occupying an uncomfortable position somewhere in the middle.

This problem has been exacerbated by the glacial pace of political appointments to senior positions in the Defence and State departments.

The overall outcome is that the disconnect between policy pronouncements and implementation has never been so wide. Talk of cooperative engagement with Russia remains largely that — talk.

Russia not Trump's priority

Third, notwithstanding its public profile, Russia is not a high priority for Trump. It is telling that his first official meeting with Putin did not occur until after he had been in the White House for six months, and then only as a bilateral in the margins of a multilateral summit.

The delay was partly due to the political sensitivities surrounding the Russia connection.

But it also reflected the reality that for Trump, foreign affairs is a poor relation to his domestic agenda. His July trip to Warsaw and Hamburg was only his second since becoming president.

Even among foreign policy priorities, Russia ranks relatively low — well behind the Middle East, relations with China, and Europe.

Its significance is essentially instrumental. It is regarded as a means of meeting other, more-important objectives, such as combating international terrorism and checking Iranian influence in the Middle East.

This attitude is similar to that of Bush and Obama, both of whom saw Russia as a niche ally (or irritant), rather than fully fledged partner.

Competing interests

Fourth, American and Russian interests often conflict, including in areas where their priorities are said to converge.

In counterterrorism, for example, America's focus is on crushing Islamic State. Russia's priorities, however, are to consolidate its leading role in Syria, boost its strategic presence across the Middle East, and promote itself as a global player.

In Ukraine, Washington seeks a more-or-less neutral resolution of the conflict, while Moscow's goal is to restore its former influence over Kiev.

Washington and Moscow have both been highly critical of NATO, but from very different standpoints.

Mattis has reiterated the long-held (and long-ignored) American view that European member states need to do more by way of burden-sharing, in order to make NATO more effective. Moscow desires just the opposite — the demise or emasculation of the alliance.

All these differences are exacerbated in a climate of growing uncertainty.

No economic incentive

Fifth, economic ties are too weak to mitigate the many negatives in the relationship. In 2016 the United States accounted for only 4.5 per cent of Russia's overseas trade (compared to the European Union's 43.3 per cent, and China's 14.1 per cent), while Russia was not even in the top 20 of US trading partners.

In 2012, ExxonMobil and the Russian state oil company Rosneft concluded a huge deal to develop oil and gas in the Kara Sea (Arctic), but sanctions brought this venture to a shuddering halt.

Since then, global energy prices have fallen by more than half, making such cooperation far less profitable.

The expansion of US shale gas has put further downward pressure on prices, in the process undermining one of Moscow's chief instruments for projecting power, and creating yet another source of tension in the relationship.

Personal conflict

Finally, the personal dynamic between Trump and Putin has proved largely a negative. Presidential diplomacy can sometimes make progress where this would otherwise be impossible.

However, Trump and Putin are such alienating figures in Washington their direct involvement in policy initiatives has tended to discredit these.

The former director of national intelligence, James Clapper, reflected a widely held view when he remarked that many of Trump's actions seemed designed to "make Russia great", not America.

Putin is clearly sensitive to this perception. At a press conference following the 2017 BRICS summit in Xiamen, he responded archly when asked whether he was disappointed in Trump: "He is not my bride, and I am not his bride or fiance".

Dr Bobo Lo is a non-resident fellow at the Lowy Institute and an associate research fellow with the Russia/NIS Center at the French Institute of International Relations. This is an excerpt of a paper released by the Lowy Institute, "An Accident Waiting to Happen - Trump, Putin and the US-Russia relationship".

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CNN's Jeffrey Toobin Rightly Says 'This Whole Uranium Thing Comes From Fox News'

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CNN's legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin weighed in on the controversy. "This whole uranium thing comes from Fox News. This is a closed investigation that came up in Peter Schweizer's book, Clinton Cash" in 2015. It was discredited then."

Camerota said the uranium deal came about in "2010."

Toobin continued, "The book came out in 2015. It was one of the accusations, it's has been discredited. Two years later, Fox News and Republicans in Congress and Republicans in the White House start raising it simply as a way to wave Russia back at the Democrats."


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It can be very hard to find out whom is lying about political events and whom is merely twisting things to their own advantage.  With that in mind, I decided to do an advanced search on Google to see how many posts came up about "dodgy deals" with Russia and who published which opinion.  The search included the words Democrat OR Republican OR Clinton OR Bush OR Obama OR Trump and the search included the parameters of only the last 24 hours.  

Three pages of results appeared.  After the non political results were removed there were seven results remaining. 

My next task was to evaluate the sites which published these stories.

One was anti-Trump, though logically so and evidenced based. Sadly it was from a comedian, Seth Myers.  It was reasonable, but it is way too hard to take seriously someone whose other stories were about things as relevant to our political situation as "Game of Thrones".

Next, two came from The John Gaunt show - which is so heavily right wing it calls our UKIP "soft" and so inaccurate it calls London more dangerous than New York, suggesting it houses hundreds of Jihadis, which is laughable. 

Then there was Eye Witness News, which only mentioned politicians in passing, the rest was about nuclear power in South Africa.  There was once a shooting magazine which published a review of "Lady Chatterly's Lover" during its obscenity trial.  The review talked only about the accuracy/inaccuracy of the pheasant rearing information.  The article reminded me of that.  There were three more in the same vein. Mentioning the politics only in passing whilst discussing something else

Where did this all lead me?  Nowhere!  - at least when trying to uncover the truth of the scandals being bandied about.  In conclusion, If you look hard enough on the internet, you can find evidence of Father Christmas, fairys and alien invasion, but no reliable political information.

Stick to Aft.  At least our differing opinions are researched and thought about.

I might have been able to find something more erudite, logical and accurate if I did a "last week" search.  I apologise, I could not face the hours of trolling through the insanity, hilarity and partisan extremity that would entail.  I failed.  SORRY!


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