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    Posted: March 27 2006 at 9:05am
This may have been mentioned. Looking at the Sambucol thread, one thing to concider is, Sambucol contains echinacea which does boost the immune response and maybe the Cytokine response to it.
As far as elderberries go, you can make your own "homemade" sambucol without the echinacea which has been proven to work on the flu, and studies lately have shown elderberries might be effective against the bird flu.
And if taken when bird flu enters your area, and before you contract it, it should not ever get to the point of a Cytokine Storm as it will keep the viral load to a minumiun.
This is much cheaper than buying sambucol, and does the same thing, so you can afford to have more onhand.
Simply take a qt. jar and fill 1/3 full of "dried" elderberries. Fill the jar with 80-90 proof vodka (cheap vodka). Let set for two weeks, shaking every couple of day.  Take two tablespoons a day for  preventative care, and two tablespoons four times a day after you contract the flu, bird or otherwise. You will need a qt to make it thru the wave of flu, or more if you start taking it early. And since it will come in three waves, three qts will be needed.
This stuff smells bad, and tastes worse, so take it in juice or soda to make it more user friendly.
Herbs can be found at Herbal.com. 1 lb is $5.30 last time I looked, and will make three qts. This is not "snake oil" and does work for the flu, and I see no reason why it will not work for bird flu.
Hope this helps someone.
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Thank you Mountainwinds for bringing this back up!!!
 
This is exactly what I did.  I bought 20 lbs of the dried elderberry and "brewed" up 10 lbs and have vacuum sealed the other 10 lbs in abeyance.  Plus I have enough cheap vodka to float a small ship... and I don't even drink.
 
I cut mine with 50% raw honey... that's expensive but I chose it for honey's health properties as well.  We will use it prophylacticly, hence the huge quantity.
 
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I want to add that this can be prepared for small children as well. If anyone is interested, I will post the preparation of it.
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Mountain,  PLEASE post the info.  If you are talking about non-alcohol extraction, it would also apply to pregnant women and people who must avoid alcohol.  It would be a great service and I thank you in advance.
 
(I have heard of a glycerin method but don't know the spec's)
 
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How interesting! I just went into our Materia Medica. We do have Samb as a homeopathic rem. And suprise, suprise..... one of the key notes is CHILD AWAKES SUDDENLY, NEARLY SUFFOCATIN, SITS UP, TURNS BLUE. CANNOT EXPIRE. MILLER"S ASTHMA.

This is interesting in the blue color. The hands turn blue. And they turn blue with cough.

Again the natural signature written in the herb comes out beautifully in the remedy.

And if I recall reading about the 1918 flu, there was a dark blue cast to people when they were close to death. Although the elderberry blue cast may not be as dusky as the 1918 flu was.

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To make this for children. Using an electric stove, bring  the elderberry tincture to a slow, slow, slow simmer. Just enough to make a bubble or two. To much heat will destroy the medicinal value.
Stir well until the tincture turns to a thin syrup. By this time, all alcohol should be gone from it.
This will have to be refridgerated as it will not keep very well since the alcohol has been removed.
You may add this to juice, or add some sugar, as kids may not like the taste. But, do not add honey for small kids, as honey is bad for them.
There is another method, but I better make sure I've got it right before posting.
Elderberries, do not prevent the flu, but stops the virus from replicating, thus allowing your immune system to fight it, without going into overload and causing the cytokine storm.
Hope this helps someone.
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I have also read in a couple of places, where you can take a cup of hot water, add a dose of the ticnture and let it steep for five minutes, This should let most of the alcohol evaporate.
 
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Another method, is to make a double boiler. Add equal amounts of tincture and vegetable gylcerine.  Using very low heat, cook it down to where you have half of the liquid you started with.
This is a gylcerine tincture having not much more than 5% alcohol.
This will be somewhat sweet, and will be close to that of an extract.
 
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Here is a great site for elderberry use.
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Sambucol does make plain elderberry syrup, as well as the one with the echineacea - I have both.  The plain syrup is in storage, the other with echineacea is to use now when family members get symptoms of the flu going round - thank goodness the flu season is waning.
 
I found a place that sells elderberry flowers - is there any medicinal value to that?  Or just to have as a tea?  Am looking for a source of the plant itself.  I know elderberries are naturally found here in the US, but I think their different in medicinal value compared to the ones found in Europe.  Still it would be nice to have a plant or two of the European variety to add to the outdoor medicine garden anyway.
 
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Herbalists have found the the most potent part is the berries. Sambus Nigra is the elderberry to use.
Some of the other elderberries are poison.
There is a place that sells the plants, but I don't remember the name now. Will try to find it.
 
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Advisor,

Where did you get your 20lb of elderberries?

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FYI:  Please read extensively about elderberries and BF ( studies and research) before you make decisions.  IMO> look into oregano oil, and lauric acid ( found in coconuts) to reduce viral loads without these  stimulating strong immune system response.
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There is evidence that black elderberry extract (trade name: Sambucol) can reduce the risk of contracting ordinary influenza strains, or shorten the course of disease in those who contract the typical flu.

It does so by
increasing the production of inflammatory cytokines like IL-1, IL-6, and TNF. PMID:12455180 (cache). PMID:11399518 (cache).

While black elderberry extract be appropriate for ordinary Type A influenza,
it could make avian flu more lethal. Ordinary strains of flu do not trigger massive production of TNF, and ordinary flu viruses are generally susceptible to the action of TNF. Avian flu, by contrast, does trigger massive production of TNF (as much as a 45x increase), while the virus is relatively resistant to the anti-viral effects of TNF. If TNF is a significant cause of the illness and mortality in avian flu, anything that increases TNF would be undesirable.

It has been pointed out that black elderberry does not just increase TNF and other cytokines. It also may reduce the spread of the virus through inactivation, or exert anti-inflammatory effects as well as contributing to the cytokine storm. It may be that combining elberberry with other anti-inflammatories may allow it to check the infection without producing tissue destroying levels of cytokines. But there is insufficient evidence to make a solid conclusion, while there are
significant red flags that should be raised about the mode of action of elderberry.

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Each person must make up his/her mind about using elderberries.  The tested facts are:
 
1) Elderberries have been double blind tested and shorten as well as reduce the flu and its symptoms...on both A and B
 
2) Elderberries reduce the viral load by removing the "spines" on the virus
 
3) Elderberries increase the action of the bodies immune system (no figures on how much)
 
4) There are no known medical complications when used with other meds with the exclusion of possible allergy
 
The above can be researched on the web and there are a number of medical abstracts written on it.  Also the Harvard School has some info on their alternative Med site.  I would suggest people do some reading on it.
 
The papers written on SARS indicate that those who survived ARDS had a lower viral load.  There also seem to be the same implications in H5N1 deaths and survivals.
 
Will elderberries remove enough of the viral load to save the victim?  Will elderberries increase the effectiveness of the immune system enough to increase a cytokine storm?  No one knows as these have not been tested.  Sambucol has been tested on H5N1 in vitro and destroyed 99% of the virus (British research by Dr. John Oxford in a university lab)
 
Each of us must make our own decision on this but read the available studies that can be found online.  They are done by scientists and not by someone selling alternative medicine products.  The question of taking it for infection of H5N1 is an individual decision but please make it based on the available science.
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I have 9 qts made up, and I am going to start taking mine when it hits close to my state. If I take it before I get the flu, it should keep the viral load to a minimum from the start, and there should not be any problems from a cytokine storm.
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Mountainwinds, like you, my decision is to take it when it gets to the US.  I am hoping the lessening of the viral load will help to survive it.  I wish there was some testing on H5N1 and humans but i can certainly see why there is not lol.  In hopes of dampening the cytokine storm i have selected an antibiotic with anti-inflammatory properties.   Because there are really no meds to take on this beast, we must try to do what we can with what we have.  I hope we have made the correct decision.
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Calendula,

I bought some oregano oil after learning about cytokine storms and ARDS. It seemed a prudent thing to do. Now I'm a bit confused about which to take and when.

I have a background in human physiology, but after growing up with a bunch of docs who would have thought that anything herbal is voodoo, it is hard to come to grips the use of either oregano or elderberry.

It would be great if some herb follks here could outline a protocol for the use of these compounds, and under what circumstances each would be used. "Conventional" medicine types, like me, could use the guidance, I suspect.
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