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Ironstone, which antibiotic would that be? I was looking at other things people had mentioned, but I have several types of antibiotics onhand, and it would be good, if it were one of them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ironstone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2006 at 1:34pm
Mountainwinds, check out some abstracts on the web for use of eytromycin against virus in lung infections.   There are some possibly serious drug interactions tho so must be researched if one is taking other drugs.

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Redcloud, these are foods, and can be taken whenever you want, and as much as you want.
 
In the 1980s, virologist Madeline Mumcuoglu, Ph.D., set out to determine by what mechanism elderberry successfully defeats the flu. She found that the action of elderberry extract was to prevent viral hemagglutinin, or the process of the invading cells using their spike-like projections to introduce its enzyme into healthy cell membranes. She further noted that the viral enzyme is also neutralized in the presence of elderberry extract.
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MW,

Thanks. Because of my background I tend to look at anything medicinal as, well, medicine, with all its attendant warnings and caveats.

An because I've been unable to obtain much Tamiflu, even given all the docs in my family, I've been casting about for other interventions.
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RedCloud:  I can only educate based on my knowledge and research.  The reason I have chosen oregano oil and lauric acid in trying to help myself and my family in case infection with BF is due to their antiviral properties.  Oregano has one of the most anti-viral properties known in any herb.  Lauric acid ( coconuts flesh) has shown in research to reduce viral loads in HIV patients.  Why these 2?  IMHO- sambucol and elderberries have shown to be effective against Influenza type A & B, and although BF is an influenza type A virus it differs a lot from it.  Why I did this?> From what I know what BF virus, it is a lipid coated virus, in research lauric acid has shown to penetrate the layer of lipid coated viruses, therefore reducing viral loads. I am also using eucalyptus oil, tea tree oil, I use eucalyptus in a handkerchief and sort of sniff the esential oils, it helps deter particles entering your mucous membranes,(nostrils) especially around crwoded areas,  I clean my  household areas with tea tree oil, powerful antiseptic and antifungal.  Supplements are an individual choice, based on knowledge and information, these are my 2 cents worth!Thumbs Up
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Calendula,

Thanks for outlining your reasoning, and taking the time to educate me. I have stocked some oregano oil and elderberry tincture. The lauric acid is new to me, but your description of its action makes sense.

What are you using as your "powerful antiseptic?"

Thanks again.

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Red Cloud"  Several antiseptics >sage, juniper berries, but one of the most powerful >Oil of Thyme.   Hope this helps.
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I purchased 2 jars of lauricidin as part of my preps. I've been experiencing flu-like symptoms and pneumonia since getting my flu shot in late Oct so I started taking a single dose of the lauricidin per day a week or so ago. It does seem to be helping me.

Either it's helping or whatever viral crud I contracted is finally winding down.

I'm definately saving the other jar for the preps though. I have several containers of coconut oil that I'll use first on my garden variety virus.

We did manage to get 2 rounds of Tamiflu per person but it sounds like they keep upping the necessary dosage so I'm glad there are some alternative treatments available.
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Why are there so many threads here with people reporting that they either were not protected by this year's flu shot, or have actually been made sick by it?

I've read of experiences like yours, oknut, several times here.
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And thanks, C, for the info.

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that is why I have never had a flu shot before.......or ever in any near future, I just do not believe in them. (  Please it is my personal opinion, not to create a debate about whether it works or not)LOL
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Thanks - it's nice to finally have people other than my husband and a few close friends actually BELIEVE me.

I really was fine prior to the shot and sick within hours. Almost 6 months later and I'm still not back to normal.

Can the government force vaccination on us in the event of a pandemic? I'm extremely leery of anymore unnecessary vaccinations.
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I am not sure about the mandatory vaccination, I doubt it.  The only people the government force vaccination upon I believe is military personnel, ----once you sign for military duty you belong to them --whether like it or not they get gazillion  of shots for just about eveything.
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Sambucol/elderberry extract is undoubtedly effective at combating the flu and bird flu should be no exception. However, due to how it increases cytokine storm it would be extremely foolish to take it more than two days into a bird flu infection. As a preventative measure, yes. When you're first feeling sick for 1-2 days, OK. When you have a high fever and/or trouble breathing -- NO!
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oil of oregano shows great promise as anti-viral agent including against bird flu:
 
 
I think mandatory vaccinations against bird flu would be a possibility,
but in U.S. only if pandemic gets really out of hand. Most likely, people vaccinated
against their will could be those where contagious bird flu breaks out (assuming it's detected right away, of course). WHO and CDC plan to
use same surround and isolate model deployed during Eradication of
smallpox. They sometimes had to use force then, too -- some people
in both India and Africa worshipped smallpox as a god/goddess and
believed that to get vaccinated would be call down the wrath of god
and give them smallpox instead of preventing it.
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Hello, does anyone have the recipe to make Homemade Sambucol that also has tried it?

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According to SophiaZoe:

"I did 1/3 dried elderberries to 2/3 vodka (clear at least 80 proof). Soak a week, in a dark, cool place, shaking twice a day. After a week, I whisked them with my hand blender and let them soak two more weeks. Dark, cool place, shaken twice a day.

At the end of three weeks I strained them into sterile canning jars and tucked them away.

BTW: I only did 10 lbs, the other 10 I am holding in abeyance."
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I was in a health food/vitamin store today and I asked the person at the counter about colloidal silver as an antibiotic. He said he thought oregano is better as it has proven itself over time. He wasn't sure the silver has been used enough to test it's effectiveness. Any thoughts on this?
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crystal,

I think they still put drops of a silver solution into the eyes of newborns and silver is used in many water purification systems.

I make my own and have for years. I believe it's wonderful, but not a pancea like some claim.

We plan to have plenty of colloidal silver solution on hand and oil of oregano along with some prescription meds and chinese herbal formulas.

I'm prone to sinus problems and adding a little colloidal silver to my neti pot has worked wonders, time and again. I add a little to the dogs water dish each day and there is never a film in the bowl.
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When making or using colloidal silver, never, never, never, repeat never, pour any down your drain if you have a septic tank.
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