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Interestingly, Sambucus nigra, as it is called in homeopathy, is an influenza, cough, croup and whooping cough remedy--when the symptom picture fits.  That is, difficulty breathing, suffocating feeling, face turns blue, marked perspiration.  Worse at midnight to 3 a.m.  Chill in hands and feet and warm body.  Emotionally, someone would be very fretful, and frightful following the suffocative attacks. 
 
Makes my chest tight just thinking about it. 
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There are many, many more homeopathic remedies for influenza. 
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If you use the homeopathic version of this plant, if symptoms fit (see my previous posting), you don't have to worry about any of the interaction problems or other things that people have brought up as a concern. 
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Some of you are still experiencing residual effects from the flu shot.  Not suprised.  Homeopaths hear this all the time.  Doctors don't because their patients don't tell them because they wouldn't believe them anyway.
 
I strongly suggest that if you are still having effects from the flu shot that you seek out a classical homeopath to get you back on track.  We have lots of remedies that have a history of pulling people out of problems with vaccines--at least 50 of them. 
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There is never going to be enough vaccine to make everyone get the vaccine, so I wouldn't worry about it.  This is one of their big concerns--even if they could produce a vaccine, they can't make enough.
 
That is why homeopathy is such a natural solution.  Easy to make, produce and can be increased in quantity by the practitioner on the spot. 
 
Problem is, you can't patent something that is so easily reproduced, thus there is no interest in it by the government.  A kit that could cure thousands of people who get the flu is less than $100.00 to purchase. 
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oknut - thanks for the "silver" input. I will definetly get some. I've had a cough now for 3 week s that I can't get rid of and am now trying sambucal. I hate antibiotics but, unfortunatley, went on amoxyicilyn (sp?) last week for this cough that kept me up all night and came down with horrible hives- obviously allergic to the stuff. I still have the bad cough. Using oregano also. Thanks again.
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Also Lotus Lady - I had my first flu shot EVER last fall - so thanks for the info.
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you may want to be careful of the elderberries... but I see that cranberry juice is good.  I bought cranberry concentrate.  I thought this site was interesting...and see that many here agree on some of the remedies.
 
And below that... kind of long.  is a post I put on the NY state site.
just so people know what is in some vaccines. 
 
(I also feel that if someone wants vaccines for their family, go for it, but at least we should know the risks.)
 
 
Some if it curled my hair...  my fav is the well written one that is in reg folk speak.   If people knew what they used...  
 
 
CELL SUBSTRATES FOR VACCINE DEVELOPMENT
 
 
 
a small excerpt...
 
The first one on this list here is CJD,
Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease, which was transmitted by
growth hormone
.  The growth hormone was produced from
human cadaveric material.  A very unpleasant disease.
It's almost impossible to detect the agent other than
by standing back and waiting for the incubation period to go.
In France, there are still a large number
of cases coming through as a result of this. (human cadaveric material)
 
It may well be that around 10 percent are recipients of
human-derived growth hormone, will actually wind up
going down with CJD in France. Unhappy
 
see more after alt meds...
 
 
Alternative medications that are most likely to help us during a severe pandemic
 
..................................................................................................................................
 
Garlic (allicin) - Very effective antiviral. Best if fresh (raw) and crushed. Must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. Dosage is initially 2 to 3 cloves per day but later reduce until no body odour occurs. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 9049657).
 
 
Vitamin C - Boosts the immune system and is an antiviral by blocking the enzyme neuraminadase. Viruses need neuraminadase to reproduce. There are anecdotal stories of people taking large amounts of Vitamin C (children ½) surviving the Spanish Flu. Research shows that it may reduce the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. A study on 470 people involved giving the test group 1000 mg hourly for 6 hours and then 1000 mg 3 times daily after reporting flu symptoms. Symptoms decreased by 85%. (Pubmed PMID 10543583, 634178, 16169205, 12876306)
 
 
Green Tea (possible Tamiflu/Relenza alternative)- Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine (catechins) TNF-a. Inhibits neuraminidase. May have antiviral activity that is equal to other antivirals such as Tamiflu ( Pubmed PMID 16137775 )
 
 
St Johns Wort (Hypericum) - Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine IL-6. Hypericum is an extract from St John’s Wort. There have been some very successful field trials in commercial flocks infected with H5N1 in Vietnam. (Pubmed PMID 7857513, 11518071, 11362353, 7857513)
 
 
Vitamin E - Immune booster. Also decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 10929076) Experiments involved using mice. Very suitable for immune compromised people, especially the elderly. Effects enhanced when taken with Vitamin C.
 
 
Apple Juice - Antiviral. Fresh apple juice including the pulp and skin has greater antiviral activity than heated commercial apple juice. More research is needed. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown (Pubmed PMID 32832, 12452634)
 
 
Resveratrol - Antiviral. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. This is a proven antiviral found naturally in red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood root (richest source), raisins and red grapes.
Resveratrol supplements are relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 1583880, 12817628, 15985724)
 
 
Scuttellaria (Skullcap)- Antiviral. A herb used as a tea. It has no side effects and is also a mild tranquilliser. Research suggests neuraminidase, which is a substance needed by the H5N1 Bird Flu virus to reproduce, may be inhibited.
 
Cranberry Juice - Early research shows that it may be an antiviral, making viruses less able to invade or multiply. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown (Pubmed PMID 15781126)
 
 
Cats Claw (Uncaria tomentosa)- Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. Also boosts immune system. The number of white blood cells was significantly increased during treatment. No toxicity was noted. (www.uspharmacist.com id 844)
(Pubmed 10962207) Active constituents can be found in the leaves, bark, vine, and roots. Water extraction from bark used.
Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells (cancers, foetuses, growing children)
 
 
Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. This is the yellow compound in turmeric spice. Research shows that this may be very good for preventing a cytokine storm although this is not proven (www.pdrhealth.com). Must be taken with food or gastritis or peptic ulcers may occur. Pregnant women and feeding mothers should avoid this. The medicinal properties of curcurnin cannot be utilised when used alone due to rapid metabolism in the liver and intestinal wall. When combined with Piperine found in black pepper the absorption is increased with no adverse effects.(www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/pip_0322)
Obtainable from health stores in tablets, liquid, capsules already combined with piperine. Dosage is 500mg to 4000mg daily.
Recommended product: Tumeric from the supermarket
 
 
Astragalus root (Astragali Radix) - Boosts immune system (Pubmed PMID 15588652)
 
Tea tree Steam Inhalation - Reduces the cytokine TNF-a. Add 2 drops of tea tree oil in a bowl of steaming water. Cover head with a towel and inhale for 5 to 10 minutes. Relieves congestion and fights infection. Its effectiveness is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 11131302)
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The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic
 
Not Recommended
Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 Bird Flu virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)
Not Recommended
Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a (Pubmed PMID 11731916)
 
Not Recommended
Honey - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID 12824009)
 
Not Recommended
Chocolate - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928)
 
Not Recommended
Echinacea - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1 (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541)
 
Not Recommended
Kimchi - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID 15630182)
 
Not Recommended
Dairy products & Bananas - These foods increase mucous production.
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Vaccines....
 
 

Cell Cultured influenza vaccines, used to be Science Fiction


( Titles in Caps on the site)

Prepared by...Georgetown and John Hopkins Universities

A Draft for discussion.


How Draft is it?    Please post updates if you have them.

MODEL STATE EMERGENCY HEALTH POWERS ACT

        Draft as of December 21, 2001

Find it here...  http://www2a.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/msehpa2.pdf


Check page 26...  "special powers"  

 

"ARTICLE VI    SPECIAL POWERS DURING A STATE OF PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY:
                          
                                   PROTECTION OF PERSONS"

.............................................
(Whether you like it or not?)


During a state of public health emergency,

They may preform exams or tests as necessary...

May exercise emergency powers over persons as necessary...

to address the public health emergency.

 

You want to inject us with ...   WHATShocked


"Caterpillar cells are then infected with the virus and begin to produce the hemagglutinin.

The FluBlok(R) vaccine has recently finished phase II clinical trials, where it has established safety and the ability to elicit a strong antibody response in humans.

"Since all the media used here are chemically stable and commercially available, the process can be easily scaled up for commercial manufacture," says Wang. "New FluBlok vaccines can be developed quickly and safely to address late appearing influenza viruses and to reduce the impact of a potential flu pandemic."
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-03/asfm-ivu031605.php
American Society for Microbiology

 


tHIS ISN'T sCIENCE fICTION pEOPLE.....   (roD sERLING wOULD bE pROUD)


It gets WORSE...Confused

 

Absolutely Amazing....


http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/17/6/1282

WHO has recognized an urgent need to develop cell culture techniques for influenza vaccine production. Vaccines prepared using Madin-Darby-Canine-Kidney (MDCK) and Vero cells (derived from human embryonic lung fibroblasts) have been given limited clinical trials. These cell culture systems offer the advantage of increasing vaccine production at short notice to meet unexpected demand or supplemental vaccine can be produced if a new antigenic variant is detected.

One of the problems associated with the use of current inactivated vaccines is the need to give repeated annual injections. The mucosal delivery of influenza vaccine would avoid the use of syringes and improve compliance."


Best get a cup of coffee...
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/chicken_eggs.htm


Lobby THIS...
http://www.proteinsciences.com/aboutus/pdf/11-05-05.pdf


ANTI-SQUALENE ANTIBODIES
LINK GULF WAR SYNDROME TO ANTHRAX VACCINE
http://www.autoimmune.com/GWSGen.html


This may make you ........ VERY ILL  (do not read at night)

http://www.fda.gov/cber/minutes/0910evolv.txt

Titled...

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES


                          PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE

                      FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION

              CENTER FOR BIOLOGICS EVALUATION AND RESEARCH

                INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR BIOLOGICALS


                    NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND
                           INFECTIOUS DISEASES

                     NATIONAL VACCINE PROGRAM OFFICE

                        WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION


                                + + + + +

           EVOLVING SCIENTIFIC AND REGULATORY PERSPECTIVES ON
          CELL SUBSTRATES FOR VACCINE DEVELOPMENT
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You know, I just realized that there are newer findings on Elderberry than what some are looking at. 2001? In my notes from earlier this year I copied this;
Elderberries could combat bird flu
1.42PM, Wed Jan 18 2006
 
 “Mumcuoglu, an Israeli virologist, was the first to discover elderberry constituents neutralize the activity of the hemagglutinin spikes found on the surface of several viruses. When these hemagglutinin spikes are deactivated the viruses can no longer pierce cell walls or enter the cell and replicate. Based on these findings, Sambucol, a syrup containing 38-percent standardized extract of black elderberry, was developed. Numerous studies using the Sambucol preparation have shown it to neutralize and reduce the infectivity of influenza viruses A and B, HIV strains and clinical isolates, and Herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) strains and clinical isolates.”
Sambucus nigra or Elderberry
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_1_10/ai_n13648434
 
If you have higher levels of sialic acid in your blood, the virus binds to this before it gets to the sialic acid receptors."
I believe it was tested on canine cells and killed 99% of 8 types of flu virus including bf. There are other ways to  injest sialic acid. Mothers milk is highest, whey powder maybe next, but I stocked evaporated goat milk too. Goat milk and goat cheese is very high in these natural sugars.
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Mountainwinds, 
 Is there any reason why I can't leave these elderberries in this vodka indefinitely?  I'm planning on calling all my sons and ask them to bring me 4 bottles of Vodka each (that'll floor 'em) but I suspect they already think I'm losing it so it doesn't matter. Thanks for the recipe and also where to buy Elderberry. I have been paying over $10.00 a pound; I ground it up in a coffee grinder and put it in capsules and bought  the syrup for the grandchildren  early this year. I checked and the shelf life was said to be two years. Wal-Mart now has an Elderberry Syrup for $6.00+. I don't know how it would compare to Sambucol which costs about 3 times as much.
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Elderberries can be left in, I have had mine made for several months now and have not removed them.
Vodka must be 80 proof or better. Shelf life is years since it is basically vodka. Unlike some of the other types, (syrup or sambucol) it is a lot cheaper to make. Check the dosage on the bottles and you will see that it will cost a lot more than making it yourself.
And to get thru all three waves of the flu, the cost can be enormous.
I have made enough so I can start taking it before the flu ever hits my area. The elderberry will already be in my system, so any infection will be limited as the viral load will be kept to a minimum.
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And to add, Sambucol contains Echinacea which is not a herb that should be taken for bird flu, as it does raise the cytokine levels.
 
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Mountainwinds, I thank you so much for your help. I already feel better! I am aware that echinacea, dairy products, chocolate, bananas and honey all increase mucus which is bad if one already has the flu with secondary infection.  I have been following this a long time. I have also read a report which clearly states that the good stuff that may offer some protection (sialic acid) is a natural sugar and all traces are eliminated from the body within 8 hours. Based on that finding I will only dose when I think I am going into an area where I may be exposed as I don't believe it's something that "builds up." I am no expert- just an old grandma trying to put pieces together and if you have different findings I need to know. I think that if there is a strong, long lasting pandemic,  it will take a combination of things not just one magic bullet to get through it. You give of your time to try to help people. I really appreciate you. If I had your address I'd mail you some of my homemade soap! 

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Some info I've gathered;
Excuse me it last only 6 hours not 8!
 
 Look here and note the content of sialic acid in milk, it’s high.
Survey of total sialic acid and Neu5Gc content of common food items
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/2131556100/DC2
Or mother’s milk.
“The breast fed infants, when compared with formula fed infants, were found to have almost two times more free sialic acid in saliva”
“The findings provide a preliminary indication that an exogenous source of sialic acids derived from human milk may contribute to higher concentrations of sialic acid in body fluids.”
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I have checked on that too so I'll share what I found with you. I have a friend in Texas who said she has Elderberries she makes jellies out of. I checked some sources and include a link to an American edible Elderberry.
The one she uses is blue. I read somewhere that the red ones are poison.

I don't know if the anti-viral action would be the same. Vodka is high. I ordered the Elderberry and it was here 3 days later.


 
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Red elderberry is poision, but seem to be OK after they are cooked.  Plus they don't have the medicinal properties anyway. (Or the blue ones either).
Even if they did, cooking (heat) would destroy the parts needed for medicinal purposes.
But as far as a medicinal tincture goes, is has to be the black.
 
 
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Originally posted by Mountainwinds Mountainwinds wrote:

Red elderberry is poision, but seem to be OK after they are cooked.  Plus they don't have the medicinal properties anyway. (Or the blue ones either).
Even if they did, cooking (heat) would destroy the parts needed for medicinal purposes.

But as far as a medicinal tincture goes, is has to be the black.

 

 

MW,

A friend of mine is insisting that the berries must be cooked before soaking in the liquor. It is my understanding that one should just use dried uncooked sambucus nigra berries.

Who is correct?

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No, do not cook them. Dried berries is the way yo go. It concentrates the medicinal properties in the berry, and then it released thru the soaking in the vodka.
There is a way to make this for children using a heat method, see my above posts, but a hot temp will ruin the berries.
 
 
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Does it have to be vodka? Would a high proof brandy work as well?

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Some people have used brandy with some good results, but most herbologists (spelling?) say that 80 proof or better vodka works best.
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