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Posted: September 07 2006 at 5:01am |
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How do you guys work out how much of everything you need? I've seen that a few people go to the mormons' site and follow their recommendations, but it seemss to me that these are quite inaccurate. For example, they recommend vast quantitiies of salt. They also probably don't takae into account the need for anything but grains and beans and sugar (honey), or the existence of modern canned goods.
I worked mine out on calories, and the recommended numbers of calories from the various categories of food. Eg 2000 calories for the average woman. 10% of these from protein, 10% from non complex carbohydrates like sugar (not ideal I know), 30% from fat and the rest from fairly complex carbohydrates like rice/pasta/oatmeal. Fat 10 cal per gram, grains and beans and other protein 4 cals per gram.
If we had a bit more fat and a bit more sugar, which is possibly not ideal, but also not way out, thats 50% complex carbs which is 1000 cals per person, which is a bit over 250 grams per person per day. 100 days = 25000 grams, ie 25 kg. So 250 kg carbs should do 10 people for 100 days. Add a bit more for a safety margin, its cheap enough. And so on with the beans sugar and oil/butter.
There is some flexibility in the fact that I only count beans, complex carbs, sugar and fat in their original form. All the additional tinned goods, fruit veg meat, etc., dried/tinned milk, juice and flavourings (jam, mayonnaise, tomato sauce canned soups etc etc will easily make it enough. I did not count the calories in those, just left them to even out the differences in calorie requirements for the different sized adults in the family
Beth
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OK I'm really bad...I'm just buying what we would normally eat and increasing that amount when I can...I haven't firgured out how long we can eat for....I can't prepare any faster than I am so, I just keep prepping.
I buy equal parts of everything I already have...It's a varity of foods...Not just rice....
My next purchase will be dehydrated cheese and meats...I'm low in beef and I don't think I can eat all the rice without some cheese mix in like rice a roni...
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We do something similar HC - other than some beans & rice & canned meat we just have lots of extra "every day" food. Basically we have a huge pantry in the basement I know it's enough for a couple months if we are unable to restock/replenish. |
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I have a little in each food group and I couldn't tell you how much I have., I buy whats on sale , and what we eat..Its going to a crap shoot around here , but if your hungry you'll eat it. I admire people who calculate the amount of food per person per day. we will probally be eating ketchsup soup. I have 4 bottles of it, lol .I couldn't tell you how many weeks worth either. if I had to feed 11 people for a while ,then maybe 2 weeks. my sister is prepping too, but only for 4 people. If the SHTF, then she will move in here, and will will combine our stash.my money was spent on all around preps.water, lights,heat,cooling,hygiene,medical,cooking outdoors, masks ect. good luck to all,,, roxy
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I'm not figuring it out at all yet - I need to get on the ball. I just keep buying and buying stuff. I guess I'll do somehting like this - one meal = 2 cans of beef stew, one can of peas, 2 cups rice, serving of juice. Then I know that for 30 meals I'll need 60 cans of stew, 30 cans of peas, 60 cups rice, 60 8 oz. servings of juice. Ditto for a chicken and noodle dinner - 60 cans chicken, 30 cans green beans or carrots, however many cups of dried pasta. Wow, Just tying this out has made me realize I still have a lot of shopping to do. Thanks for asking!
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Here is a chart that was on the Lysol web page. They have some good info about bird flu.
Supply basics per person per day based upon the 2005 USDA food pyramid are as follows:
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Something that I have done is to inventory by pre cooked weight or measured amounts in cups what I use in a week, everything from salt to TP. Then inventory what you have. The math will tell you how long you can maintain the same standards of consumtion and make it easier to set goals for prepping. The hardest part for me is we eat alot of fresh foods. Most canned foods are = to about 2 cups of fresh. It is helpful to use food groups or you will end up with a lot of snacks that are hard to make a meal from. Also pick up a few antique cook books and get the staples that many of us don't use much of anymore or are dusty in the back of the pantry. learn how to make the gravies and puddings and so many soup ideas that can stretch a meal. Also learn all that you can about food storage. This is why the mormans use so much salt and lard. I am used to planning my winter stock and I also plan my next garden each fall to fill in my weakness's. I have saved lots of money for years doing this. Once you have made the changes from just-in-time inventory to buying this week what you will eat in 4 to six months you can start getting the best buys as they go on sale during the different seasons. Like waiting untill after newyears to buy cheep hams and turkeys or harvest season to buy canned goods( should be anytime now to get the best buy on them). Learning the trends of grocery stores based on seasonal influence can make your prepping dollars go further. I know alot of you are prepping hoping that you can return to your old ways once this thing is behind us. Learn from what you are doing now and you will be ready for the next war, bf, storm or hard times that fall on us. It really will cost less to keep a full two seasons worth of supplies when you add up the sale and bulk savings that you get. Even if Bf fears are not your motivator learning how to best buy food and household supplies can be a great investment of your time.
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Beth, I think the thinking may be that the salt can be used to preserve meats, i.e. wild game?? Just a thought.
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Wow timber! you sound like this is a way of life for you. Why did you begin prepping like this?And, if you don't mind what part of the world do you live in? For us, I buy canned goods ( fruits,veggies,pickled ) that have expiration dates as far out as posible. I canned butter, bought 10 cans of canned hamburger from the internert grocer plus the same amount of cheese. On my last minute list i plan to buy 50lb. of flour and sugar at Cosco. We basically do what has been suggested re: buy what you eat and eat what you buy so I don't know how to calculate how long it will last. I estimate we have enough for 2 months but can't help but buy more every time i go tho the store. my walk-in closet doesn't have much room anymore on the floor. I will have to buy some shelves to organise everything. Thanks for all the advice I get on here! I feel the need to pickle more!
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Thanks hotair, I do live mostly like this. I live in michigan. Winter of 78 and things like that. When I was a kid I remember when our pantry was empty and a few days left till dads pay check(More than once)and it was off to the grandparents with the kids. When I got older and out my own I decided to live more like my grandparents. I still enjoy all the going out to dinner and the comforts that our modern lives allow, but empty cupboards are not an option. I find it simply easier to keep a full tank then and empty one and the cost is often lower when your talking wise buying. By the way jams are easy, easy easy to make using the liquid pectin. You might try it to go with all the bread and rolls you will make from the flour. It sounds like your on the right road but get an old cook book and make some of the dishes to see what you like.
If BF comes like it did in 1918-1919 we will have at least 2 to 3 waves of main concern each of 8 weeks or more over an 18 month period +/-. Your 2 months supply will need to be resupplied after the first wave. If you can get two seasons of supplies or 6 months you should be set for the hunkering down part of a comparable pandemic and have time between to buy, or harvest what you will need between the waves. This is just my own way of thinking, thanks for the questions they help me think through what Im doing as well.
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Thanks,timber. I just made my first two batches of blackberry jam this summer. It was a family event as we went to the nearby wetlands to pick them--and they were free and super sweet! I didn't realize the word "ouch" could come out in so many different ways from my sons!! I am serious abou pickling more. I make a great spaghetti sauce from scratch with sausage and hamburger that i will need onions for. I found a recipe recently. I am finding I really like doing things reminiscent of the old ways. Plus, I have always been independent. I feel sad for you that your cupboard actually went bare but at least you had a place to go. Many don't. Thanks again!
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You know, I just gave myself an idea. I could can the spaghetti sauce! Would I need a pressure cooker for that?Anyone?Thanks in advance.
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This is the where I went to help me calculate amounts for my family. You just put in the number of family members and hit calculate. Keep in mind these amounts are for one year. They have the vegetables and fruits listed in lbs also. So I had to do some converting there and decided to use servings. So based on the USDA recommended number of servings for adults and children, I figured up what I needed to put back.
http://www.thefoodguys.com/foodcalc.html |
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Timber your story brings back some memories...I grew up in rural Wisconsin and we canned from my grandparents garden and froze fish from the river to get by. A single mom with three kids in poverty gave us some bare cupboards more times than I care to remember. We would go down the road to grandmas and down in the basement were shelves lined with Ball jars. Anything you found in the garden was there. An occasional trip to grandma's "store" kept hunger at bay many times. I prep to spare my family the feeling you get when there really is nothing left to eat.
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I am doing mine by meals. Mostly just buying extras of what we already eat, but also getting some things we like but don't normally buy because they are more expensive than what I want to pay, like tamales, beefaroni, spaghetti/meatballs etc. DH and DD love this type stuff and I don't normally buy it, because it is more expensive than making a meal from something else. So they are excited about all the food they don't normally get, and I have just been rotating it as they eat it, then I also have gotten alot of canned fruit, where we normally eat fresh. I have been purchasing items by the meal. At first I was getting a case of veggies, a case of fruit, etc. To me it is easier to buy the exact amount of what you need for a meal, then I know it is a complete meal/day and I don't have to go piecing it together nfrom all over the house. I am also packing it together as a meal when I am storing it so I have everything together for the meal and not have to go to the pantry for a can of veggies, the cupboard in the bedroom for a can of fruit, etc.
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I estimate 3 cans a day per person and 30lbs of rice and 30 lbs of sugar and 30 of flour per person . spices ,salts, oils 30 cans of beans . lots of parmelot milk and
In other words I dont have a clue but we actually hate junk food except for mcDonalds . So I am not storing junk food , maybe some chocolate and jujubes .
I am only storing single ingrediant foods except for crackers protien bars and protein shakes. keep a look out for sales on those items now as severalcompanies change their product labels and design and put their surplus on sale now.i
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If you cant get in the front door try the side door then the back door.
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Penham, I like your idea. I may start doing it that way.
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