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Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk

How would you respond? - Event Date: September 12 2006

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    Posted: September 12 2006 at 4:20pm
I participate in a writing group.  We have an open reading time so I wrote about what interests me, avian flu.  I think I wrote a pretty good piece, most of the group was very interested and receptive.  I'd taken a couple of different magazines to use as props afterwards so they wouldn't think it as a crazy lady paranoia.  (National Geographic, Newsweek, etc.)  But one lady in the group (Who is very nice) seemed very frustrated by it, and asked me point blank in front of the group, "what do you want me to do about it?  There's nothing anyone of us can do about this, so why worry over it, not sleep over it?"  She's an older nice lady so I was very gentle with my response but her bluntness and almost anger of it did startle me.
I think this is a response some people are having over BF.  What would your response have been that wouldn't have lost the receptiveness of the listeners to a question like that?
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I've been thinking about this very thing for quite some time. When I first learned about the chance of a pandemic, I tried to 'spread' the word to family and friends.  Got the same 'crazy lady' response that all of us have received.  Now I just say:  I understand how you feel.  This is just too overwhelming to think about but given what's happened the last few years with 9/11 and Katrina,  I feel it sure doesn't hurt to have a little extra food and supplies in the house in case of any emergency. 
 
I also gently suggest they do their own research and give them web sites to visit.  
 
Even after all my preps and research, I find it hard to imagine how terrible this will be and for most of us the first reaction to anything that has the potential to destroy our 'comfort zone' is big time denial.   
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I too have encountered that 'anger' response. I don't understand it, doesn't make sense to me. Unless maybe it is a reflection of their sense of uncertainty. You'd think the response would be , 'hey thanks for telling me about something and maybe now my life and loved ones lives will be saved'.
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I heard the same words from a family member.  It is an expression of fear and powerlessness, an anger that it even exists to taunt us.  She is very much in control of her life and does a fine job of it.  I just agreed and said all we can do is put something aside and go on and enjoy life.
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In a book not too long ago, I read something that will stick with me for a long time:  "Don't worry about how well the message is received, but how well it is sent."  I think there are people who will respond negatively to anything you tell them, and it's a reflection on them, not you!  GGHug's response was great.  We don't need to defend ourselves - after all, we're trying to help, not hinder.

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As we're selling these ads to the disaster preparedness industry, a lot of them know very little about "pandemic flu", but they are all over it when we explain it to them.  Every time we're selling an ad, we have to somewhat educate them about pandemic flu preparedness, as well as trying to sell the ad itself.  Some of these sites are now adding sections for pandemic flu prep.  Anyway, I suppose in AFT’s effort to sell ads over the next few days, we will at least get the disaster preparedness industry on board.

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Fear and the anger it brings out. I have been there and still go there every so often. It angers me to think that in a world where we have achieved so much, and are as smart as we are, technologically that a virus could do us in. I was really irate at first, and then turned it into action, the energy was much better used to prep. Even tonight, I heard on the news of a female soldier who lost a arm in Iraq, they are saying she can have a bionic arm attached and a computer chip in her brain to allow her to move the arm as she would have a natural arm, she thinks the arm moves, and she will also be able to feel with it. Now if you someone asked you which would be harder to do, invent that or cure a bird flu???? It still blows me away. LOL
I think that a positive note has to always be a part of any bad news, even Osterholm tries to do that. I found that I got more angry, when I read things that sounded like we should just throw in the towel. There is always hope. Knowledge is power.
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I have gotten this anger as well from people.  I think it is a feeling of powerlessness, and the people I got it from are, interestingly, the ones who are more'control-freak' oriented.  it think maybe they are angry that something has been added to their list of things to worry about, or angry that they are unprepared.  I tend to see the anger as a positive sign - you have touched a nerve - as opposed to the indifferent person or one who laughs at you.  Anger is there for a reason, the person just needs to work around the psychology of dealing with it. 

I have said to people that the way i think of it is like seatbelt or homeowners insurance.  You can't 'do anything' to prevent a car wreck that isn't your fault or a tornado, but whould you even for a second consider not having insurance or not wearing a seat belt?  Well, prepping is kinda like 'insurance'.  I think i convinced two people with this line of reasoning.  few people don't understand this.
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I did not realize until recently that some people consider my suggestion of prepping as "a sinful act of hoarding food." I wanted to lash out that they are using that as an excuse to live hand to mouth. I have no doubt they will knock on my door when they get hungry. And I continue to deny myself short term pleasures such as eating out, finer clothes, newer cars and vacations to be able to help. Then I ask myself WHY? Will we be rewarded for picking up someone else's baggage?
So... how should we respond?
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may be I 'm from  a differant neck of the woods, no one has ever said to me thats it's sinful to prep.  also ,I don't think  alot of people on this forum ,will have a surplus of preps to be feeding the  neighborhood..many of us have been giving up pleasures to prep. speaking for myself, I gave up a long time ago, worried about what the other guy thought. It's those people that I left behind in my dust. they are still stuck where they were.The "what do ya want to that for" mentality. I prep for whatever is coming my way, and I believe it will be some thing. To answer those naysayers, I say to them, Please don't embarrass yourself by coming by for a HANDOUT, STAND IN LINE WITH EVERYONE ELSE,when the SHTF.You have seen what the government can do for you, in Katrina for example. In a  short term disaster, you could probably help some one , but this bird flu can make your family needy for 12-18 months. If you are having these problems then I would not disscuss this any more, I stopped talking about it. I have too many people to feed already. sorry for the long post, good luck roxy
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Many will feel overwhelmed by the size of the problem, and feel helpless as an individual.  Alternatives include suggesting that collectively the country can get ready, and our representatives in congress and local city councils and county health boards should be asked to make sure we are as ready as we reasonably can be.  That kind of national preparation also protects from future pandemics of all kinds, natural disasters and terrorism.
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I am with those who feel it is too dangerous to warn people ,  Your putting yourself on a limb.  
 
Life on the limb is living life large , taking responsibility for anothers action and risking setting yourself up for rude comments and other peoples anger.
 
While I have volunteered for several organizations, Childrens Aid and other groups ,   this is a cause that not safe to go oiut on a limb for.
 
What would I of said at that moment.   I would of said that its not my place to worry you , just to imform you,  It your choice to take whatever preparations you decide is best for your family.  
 
Based on the theroy the rescurer- villian - victem
 
You try to rescue people from their own mistakes that cause them to be a victem they will always make you look like the villian.
 
 
 
This works in many of lifes situation.  Try helping someone who has alcohol
issues and they will always resent you.   You will need to be rescued when they steal money from you or accuss you of telling lies about them,
 
 
I am sure everyone has a memory of helping someone that backfired
 
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Some people live their whole lives as victems and are perfectly comfortabe with staying that way.  for you to suggest that they take responsibilty for their own lives is threatning to their beleif system. 
 
Drug addicts see themselves as victems and some of them were victem as children of abuse.   If you try to help them out it will backfire on you. always .  ( Help is about allowing the person to make their own decision to get help)
 
In a land of passiviness the idea that the goverment wont come in and save the day is not real. 
 
 

The short end of this story is that you can never rescue people ,  just facilitate their own decisions.  
 
 
  
 
 
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Good question! however I think her out cry was either an invite for more information or someone beat you to stressing her out that day. What was your responce? Did others reply before or after her? have you looked at your speach to figure out if there were implied meanings that you did'nt intened to convey in the manor that you did? How was the issue resolved? I'm sorry to respond with more questions than advise but I can't tell from your post how it ended and what I might have done differently.
I can say its a hard topic and her getting upset might have helped you more then you think. If nothing else her responce confirmed your views that there is a problem and as startled as you were she is the one to be embarrassed by her actions. 
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I sometimes get discouraged and it's easiest when I'm tired and everyone thinks I'm a loony tune. But then I go to a store and see a great deal- like the canning jars on clearance today and buy the last 5 dozen. I may have more food than I'll live to eat but I have 5 families of close relatives whom I'm helping to prep.
I realize there is just no hope for some people but there are so many out there who have no knowledge of what a pandemic is. These people are not on computers and have limited access to information. Maybe someone who cares about what happens to them will be.
Good luck to all.
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timber, I try very hard never to argue with people. I ask "have you heard?" I state that I am trying to "throw back a few beans and rice, just in case". Then I get the same kind of bashing as when I offered to share my storm cellar. "If it's going to get you, it's going to get you where-ever you are!." So if it's going to-so be it. I think some people just make a habit of trying to project their feelings on another.
I feel like the Good Lord gave me sense to get out of the storm and not play with rattlesnakes, either. 
I move on.
Good luck to all.
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I agree with some others here that most people won't prep because they just don't want to take responsibiilty for themselves. Our culture is so different now than even a generation ago that it's almost understandable. But the maybe 5% of the people who will be ready for this cannot possibly help all of the other 95%, and I don't believe that God wants or expects that from us. As for me, I'm just quietly prepping (I have told no one) and trusting in God to put in my path the people He actually wants me to help when the time comes. I'm sure that God knows I can't help everyone who comes beating at my door. I trust that when TEOTWAWKI comes He will give me the wisdom, discernment, and protection that I need.
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