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    Posted: January 25 2017 at 6:22am
As I have been posting there is a very good chance that President Trump won the popular as well as sweeping electoral vote.

There has been a continuing effort by the Social Justice Warriors to go on that he wasn't elected by a mandate of the people and the Electoral system should be retired.

There was a massive effort of the Hillary Clinton campaign to mobilize illegal immigrants and appeal to them. Why?  Because in many states they don't verify people and it is possible from 5-7 million of them voted for Hillary.

To begin with, the Electoral College was founded for a reason.

Since many of the Democrats are always ranting about "fact checking" as was a rallying cry of Hillary in her attacks - let's do some.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/

The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”

comment: Although part of a Democracy is counting votes - it is also preventing damaging factions of special interest groups as well as the large cities - New York - Chicago - San Francisco - Los Angeles - and others from using the masses to ignore the rights of the South and Midwest voters.

It is highly unlikely it is either rational or for the good of America to put the needs of illegal people in the country over American citizens, taking jobs, health benefits, and even political power.

To work in the U.S. people should either be a citizen or be on file as being here and have permission to do so. Few other countries allow people to stream in their countries and take over. This has happened in California and also areas where there has been a bloodless war of conquest.

We endured 3 generations of Welfare where families were rewarded for having as many babies as possible and then collected more money than hard working citizens.  This has all but thrashed the resources for those legally in America in many areas.

The ultimate insult is to have millions from other countries who are not citizens recruited to vote for a candidate that simply wants their votes. This is the same issue in terms of women's rights - minority rights and alternate life style issues. It isn't caring - it is harvesting votes.

Add to this a lying press with "False News" - remember how I have been harping about "The Real News"? - well we aren't getting it.

There is no reason people should not be monitored who are working and collecting health and money. This is not victimizing anyone. It is common sense of an intelligent practical government.

It is possible we actually had members of Isis and other terrorists groups casting votes in New York - one of the prime targets of terrorist attacks i.e. 9-11 as well as currently.

http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416

California According to the Office of the California Secretary of State, "in most cases, California voters are not required to show identification at their polling place.

New York In New York, a voter does not have to present identification at the polls.

Illinois Generally, Illinois state law does not require voters to present a form of identification at the polls on Election Day.

comment: Now one can encourage people to illegally vote by scaring them that they will be put in jail or deported if the other candidate is elected.

This extends to using fear on minority groups, women, gays, transgenders into creating a campaign that the other person is going to hunt them down and have them imprisoned, persecuted, or deported.

I posted about the real possibility that there were millions of illegal votes and I have no doubt Trump people read my posts.

Although it is hard to prove how many people cast illegal votes - it is possible that without them - Trump would have won the popular vote as well. As the media and others continue to try and play the "not our president because he didn't win the popular vote card" it may be as big a myth as the polls which have been created and were wrong - the flaming attacks on events which never happened and a total blindness as to the good being done and actual fulfilling of campaign promises and inciting fear into an establishment entrenched in Washington that has ignored the people's wants and needs for decades.

It was time for a change.

Is there a reason to think there has been fraud in terms of those voting?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/25/trump-promises-major-investigation-into-alleged-voter-fraud.html

Looking at that old 8-ball for answers...

Signs points to yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball

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still beating the same old drum
and still offering NO proof
time for a nap...
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Even Mike Huckabee Believes Trump Is Whack For Touting Phony Voter Fraud


http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/even-mike-huckabee-believes-trump-wacked

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oh look
maybe I was wrongabout the illegal voting thingy

Voter fraud? Trump, time to fire and prosecute Steve Bannon, registered in two states.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/25/1624922/-Voter-fraud-Trump-time-to-fire-and-prosecute-Steve-Bannon-registered-in-two-states

Trump's main advisor  involved ?

hmm
an illegal vote fer Trump ???
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man I just hate it when Trump is right and I am wrong
there is a lot of voter fraud

Trump's "Voter Fraud": Tiffany Trump, Bannon & Mnuchin all Registered to Vote in Two States

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/25/1625143/-Trump-s-Voter-Fraud-Tiffany-Trump-Bannon-Mnuchin-all-Registered-to-Vote-in-Two-States


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There is no doubt that there was voter fraud - there always is. Especially with the "no id required" BS the Dems push.

Whether that translates into Trump winning the popular vote is unknown.
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more voter fraud being reported

now its Trumps press secretary Sean Spicer
and his son in law and adviser
Jared Kushner

good thing Trump wants to crack down on voter fraud LOL
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Most of the speculation about voter fraud began with a single tweet from Greg Phillips of the VoterFraud.org organization back in November. It claimed they'd analyzed a database of 180 million registrations and found evidence of 3 million votes cast by non-citizens, and were consulting their legal team. A second tweet a few days later stated they were joining with a group called TrueTheVote to initiate legal action. Those tweets seem to be the source of all the continuing controversy. As far as I'm aware, no legal action was ever taken and no further proof was ever offered.

If anyone else has something more concrete, I'd love to hear it.


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Originally posted by mjm1 mjm1 wrote:

There is no doubt that there was voter fraud - there always is. Especially with the "no id required" BS the Dems push.

Whether that translates into Trump winning the popular vote is unknown.



How is no id required? I have voted in four different states over the years and every single one required a picture id to vote. Does not every state require this?
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Originally posted by Penham Penham wrote:

Originally posted by mjm1 mjm1 wrote:

There is no doubt that there was voter fraud - there always is. Especially with the "no id required" BS the Dems push.

Whether that translates into Trump winning the popular vote is unknown.



How is no id required? I have voted in four different states over the years and every single one required a picture id to vote. Does not every state require this?


Just the fax - lol - it's bad - and especially in the states where Hillary did the best

Updated January 2017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States#State-by-state_requirements

The NCSL categorises state-level voter ID laws as follows:

Strict photo ID required: Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wisconsin.[13]
Strict non-photo ID required: Arizona and Ohio.
Non-Strict photo ID required: Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Texas.
Non-Strict non-photo ID required: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Washington.

No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and  Washington, D.C.

California - (LA, Bay Area, San Diego, Sacramento, San Francisco) - New York (The Big Apple and huge population centers) - Illinois (Chicago) etc.

comment:  19 states - none - 15 probably none - 34 states - and you wonder if illegals were not only recruited to vote but did vote for Clinton.

These voters were courted throughout the campaign and still the Democrats lost. There will be an investigation. Short term memory loss of the big hoopla over recounts in states which made no difference. 

There were other instances where people related seeing this happen and some say voter fraud has been going for decades. Dead people voting- more votes than people that are voters - single people sending in hundreds of votes. It is something that needs to be checked out. After all - we are a democracy - and only citizens should vote.


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