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    Posted: October 02 2019 at 3:05pm
This fool needs to GO

he is not right in the Head

What a leader America has.....

Had to be the worst I have ever seen

Abe is Spinning in his Grave......

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The Independent: Trump shouted 'you're making me look like a f******' idiot' at White House staff.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-border-wall-us-mexico-mike-pompeo-white-house-moat-kirstjen-nielsen-a9128991.html
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Our local press has had a lot to say about the "Long Monologue" in what was supposed to have been a joint press conference, and the general sense of disrespect shown to a visiting President.


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This is a tough one.

The protocol is that one should show respect to a visiting premier.

Trump clearly is an abomination in this role and, morally, bullies need to be challenged.

So which rule takes precedence?

On a state level PROTOCOL!!! Always and forever!

On a personal level, morality should win.

Of course in this case, no one needs to make him look a fool. He is doing a stirling job all by himself.

(Strangely, I am on Trump's side where Biden is Concerned. How else do you get the corruption exposed? Maybe it is unpolitic, counter protocol and politically motivated, but if it can't be uncovered any other way, then personal morality has to "Trump"* protocol.)



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The point is,

If Chump with held arms from Ukraine for political advantage,

He is putting America in harms way,

Why....

Because ,Ukraine is trying to defend it's self from Russia,

By withholding arms,

Chump is giving the Reds a BIG advantage.....

For his political gain....

Or is he truly in Vlads pocket!!!!?...


And you expose corruption by the proper channels,

not by Blackmail.......

Or false accusations......

Why ask a foreign country,when you have the, FBI,CIA at your disposal......




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This case should make it absolutely abundantly clear what is happening with American politics. Unfortunately it is corrupt through and through. Trump is the ONLY one willing to fight back so you see what happens to him. "Why ask a foreign country,when you have the, FBI,CIA at your disposal" simple... because his own government isn't loyal to him.

The USA and Ukraine have an anti-corruption treaty. So not only was Trumps actions not illegal he was mandated by law to do what he did. Also Bidden is on tape bragging about doing the exact same thing that Trump is accused of and the media lauded him for it.

This series of episodes we have seen has proven beyond a doubt that the deep state exists and it is ruthless and has like 90%+ of the media as allies.

I truly believe that if Trump was given a fair chance when elected most people would actually like him today. Trump doesn't start fights, but he is a vicious counter puncher.   Most of what you don't like about Trump is just about how he responds to unfair treatment.   He gets just as nasty as his opponents do.   The left has been allowed to use irresponsible rhetoric for ever... trump is just given it right back to them.

No Trump is not a saint.   I am not even sure I would want him as a personal friend if the option was available.   Sometimes it takes someone with dirty hands to be a good fighter.   I truly believe Trump loves this country and is going to do what he thinks is right regardless of what people say about him.
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Let me make it as clear as possible...

Trump made his money the old fashion way. He worked hard and earned it   Maybe you don't like his business practices that is fine... but at least he was providing goods/services, employing people, you know doing things the way you are supposed to.

In Washington people become rich by being associated with the government.   It is not just Bidden's son, it is Pelosy's son, and John Kerry's son, and these are just the ones have heard bout so far. Even most congress people themselves become rich while in office.

This is like a battle between new money and old money, and it is gonna get a LOT more dirty before we will see any resolution.
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Sorry if this offends but I feel like I need to say it. It irritates me when foreigners complain about the American government. I don't bad mouth other's countries government.    I have enough intellectual honesty to understand that I don't have the proper context to understand what is happening over there.

In the USA today unfortunately the VAST majority of news is propaganda. However since it is local here I can observe what is happening and come to my own conclusions. Most of the time the news doesn't match my observed facts so that I know it is all BS.   I am sorry but if you don't live here you don't have that context.

If our own local reporters can not be bothered with intellectual honesty or objective reporting....   How the hell do YOU think you are getting the real story?
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Hi I'm not offended,

I don't necessarily dislike Trump,

I have no right to vote in the USA.

I think I said before I like to throw this stuff out there to here from people on the ground, I.e you DT.
That's what I like about this forum,i don't ever mean to offend anyone,
i am open to others thoughts.

I post stuff on here from news organizations that you might not see.
Only to create comment and counter argument,
That way we all of us "on the ground"
Get a bigger picture of world events,
I watch I watch and listen to your (USA) news, and people calling in on talk back TV.
We all have a different way of viewing the world,its good to see how others see it,
And don't get offended if someone disagrees with you, best to try and see it from where they are sitting, their point of view may have value........

if your mind is open.

I think I have said before, my Father was Irish,Mother English,when the IRA bombed,Dad would say "freedom fighters",Mom would say "murdering bas...ds"
I work very closely with a devote Muslim,and devote Christian,i am a devote Athiest.. ..

As a team we are great.....
We have had our "discussions"....lol

And we all Respect each others point of view

Oh yes, my Son in law is Sri Lankan,my Daughter in law Indian/German,

So bring on different points of view,all welcome in my house.....

Never be Afraid of Criticism....

Makes a better person....

P.S. I once told a friend he had bad breath.....he loved me for it.....told me a 1000 times thanks.......


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When I wrote about the FBI/CIA

I did wonder who would say they can't be trusted......lol

In fact I half expect a knock on the door....:
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RE:Deepstate......

Has the will off the people been respected

Aka...Brexit?????????


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Carbon20 thank you for your awesome respectful considerate, and most importantly humane remarks! KUDOS we need more like that.

Also know that I am very much like you in that I love a good honest argument.   When I come on here I often see just one side pushed so heavily that I feel an obligation to be contrary!   For me intellectual honesty is often more important that being "right".


PS... Ironically your opening remarks Carbon echo exactly the tactics that Trump would use! LOL.   Trumps opponents take him literally but not seriously, his supporters usually don't take him literally but they do think he is serious. Trump is just like you or me but he just happens to be rich and president.
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You may think I am using hyperbole when I use the word "propaganda" but it pains me to say I think it is accurate. When this story broke EVERY media outlet jumped on it. Not just that, EVERY one of them told the same exact story.   There was NO Independence of thought among our media. Then something crazy happened... Trump released all the pertinent info on this case. No one expected Trump to do this so it messed up their plans. The public now knew more than the whistleblower knew.   Then it became apparent that all the media was lying because the story never changed even though the facts did! Only now after two weeks when there is strong evidence that we have been lied to do we see SOME honest reporting.   Yes it is a very tiny amount but I will take what I can get.

Also note it has been reported that Bidden has been sending instructions to the media on how to cover this case.   Now lately apparently he is begging the media not to let Giuliani on.   They act like he is a crazy loose cannon but at the same time they are completely scared of him. Giuliani took down the mafia in NY now he is trying his best with DC.
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Just to throw my twopennyworth into the mix, I think the corruption includes Trump himself. He does a lot of Democrat accusing (most of it probably accurate) to draw attention away from his own failings.

As for his own fortune, yes he earned most of it, but not fairly. He left a lot of other people bankrupt with his (completely legal, but grossly unfair) practices. He had a million from his dad to start off with too.

This does not make him unusual (or even bad) in political circles. Overall, he breaks about even, good at some stuff bad at other things - JUST LIKE THE REST. I don't think him racist, but belive he is colour prejudiced and racially intolerant. Everyone is to some extent, he just seems more so.

Where I really have a problem with him is his manners - or lack of them.


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Technophobe Kudos to you!   You don't have to like him, but at least give him the respect you would give any other politician.   Some talk as though all politicians where saints till trump took office.

What do you mean when you say Trump is corrupt?   To me that means you are using political advantage for personal gain. Honestly I have seen no evidence of this.   Trump has his own money he doesn't need to get rich from the office. I am sure if there was any evidence of such the media would be all over it.    

Lack of manners! Yea I get that.   He acts in ways adults are not supposed to act.   However for me, being truthful is MUCH more important that being polite.   I try and look at the substance and not just the polish.

If we never had political correction rammed down our rears for more than a generation... maybe Trumps tactics wouldn't appeal to the masses like they do.
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he will be reelected
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He is like the worst/best internet troll you will ever meet but at his heart he is a decent human being... here is the proof.    He has raised good kids and his kids love him dearly. I believe there is a truly decent soul inside of the rough exterior.


Sorry for spamming the thread :) I have a lot of pent up thoughts and feelings that I am very reluctant to express in public. Very few people are able to have reasonable discussion on these subjects. It seems like for Trump haters (who are very vocal put probably a minority) if you are even open minded about Trump YOU are a bad person.   Life is just so much simpler if we can avoid this bs.   I wouldn't want to think less of my acquaintances after learning of their political feelings and I wouldn't want them to judge me either.   Much simpler to just keep quiet.

This is probably the first time in my life that I try to avoid political discussions in public. This is really saying something if you really knew me.
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This may sound crazy... but Donald Trump is probably the biggest "square" to ever inhabit the oval office.   He doesn't drink he doesn't smoke.   I kind of think the whole Access Hollywood video about grabbing other peoples privates was simply about "street credit" or fitting in.   I have serious doubts he meant it. I am telling you guys Trump is a square.   If he had ANY vices they could control him but they can't and it terrifies them.

MTA:His only real vice is s desire and ability to say what ever he is feeling like when ever he feels like it.   It is this flaw that most of you hate him for.   But for me in the grand scheme of things it is very small.
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

When I wrote about the FBI/CIA

I did wonder who would say they can't be trusted......lol

In fact I half expect a knock on the door....:


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