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Is America Ready for a Nuclear Attack?

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    Posted: September 15 2017 at 2:19am
All politics aside, Americans still do not grasp the horror or effects of a nuclear hit on the United States. If several nukes vaporized much of Los Angeles or San Diego, primary targets - It would make the hurricanes seem like a warm up.

The effect of radiation, not only from the blasts, but perhaps several of our nuclear plants damaged and spewing radioactive material would wipe out the population of California and create areas which could not even be visited for thousands of years. There could be no "cleanup" nor could the economy survive.

One of the most sinister secondary effects would be a plunging of our first world medical system to third world and outbreaks of multiple diseases, many of which the new generation is not resistant to - i.e. - smallpox.

A a likely virus would hit our networks, all phone service would instantly stop. As the stores were literally sacked in a matter of hours, food and especially water would be almost non-existent in areas with populations of millions on the move and sick.

I have discussed this issue with my friend, Dr. John Ray, also a former military pilot in Vietnam, as to what could be done to survive. Forget living in the inner cities. And ironically the most violent, the gangs and anarchist who thrive there are unlikely to leave there by choice.

Our medical system is not ready for this.  The effective answer is SIP as all ERs shut down. Convalescent Hospitals would become morgues and law enforcement would flee for their own safety, many of them abandoned the force.

No one is going to work for free.

Americans today, living in a land of smart phones and mostly overweight have no concept of a world with no McDonalds or fast food. Mothers would be forced to take care of their children, their would be no childcare centers left.

I once tried to finish Pandemic Now - the book - which should really be called Surviving in America- The Day After.

Those unarmed with any kind of food stockpile would be shot, even by their neighbors with starving children in the even of a nuclear blast, many of them dying of radiation and truly crazy and in unbelievable pain.

Believing the atomic bombs will go off outside America and we will not be attacked in unrealistic.

America is not ready for a nuclear attack and few are prepared or could deal with it.

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Wow!  I have to agree with most of that.

I can't see a rain of nukes in my lifetime.  Russia is less aggressive than they look at first glance.  Russian leaders have to appear very strong to stay in power, because of the way politics work over there.  This easily misleads the west, whose political systems work very differently.  China will not nuke anyone, unless nuked first. PERIOD!  Anything else is simply not good economics.  Again, the system is different and over there it is driven by money first, money last, and money alone.

Most of the other nuclear armed countries are either non-aggressive, like us or wrapped up in their own struggles, like Pakistan and India.  So they amount to no credible threat.

The only risk worth considering is North Korea; they do not have many nukes (YET!!!)  and as such will not rain them on anyone.

That is my only counter argument.  One single nuke from NK would change America's world.  In this world of washing machines, cars, tractors and factory farming, television, vacuum cleaners, ride on lawnmowers  and beauty parlors, the Kardashians, "street culture", fridges, freezers, flushing toilets, running water, air conditioning, drug stores and functional hospitals not only are people unused to the rigors of a third world life but also  they  have  no  concept  of  it

People (at least some of them) will work for free.  They will be the survivors.  Communism is a repressive horror!  But commune-ism is how our ancestors survived in tribal days when life was so much harder.  Post nuke, it would be the only functional survival option.  Those who maintain an "I'm alright Jack so F*** you!" attitude are statistically shown in disasters to be far less likely to survive.  Mutual self help groups are the most resilient.

The length of time things remain radioactive for is dependent on many factors.  Amazingly the half life of fallout is usually only  about 30 minutes.  This means the radiation levels drop from "lethal even to cockroaches" to "fairly safe for short periods" within about 2 weeks, at least everywhere except ground zero itself.  There are exceptions.  If a nuke falls on chalk, gypsum or limestone. half a million years of non-survivability ensues, as the reaction transmutes strontium in the rock into a really, really nasty isotope.  So move away from the areas which produce sinkholes!  They are dangerous even without the nukes,  With nukes, in those places there is no hope.  

I do not know the results of a nuke on a nuclear reactor.  Understandably, no one wants to do that experiment! ....................... I imagine it would be quite nasty......................

Disease is the biggest worry post nuke.  In addition to the damage to the medical services and the piles of rotting bodies, millions will be displaced and two uniquely nuclear problems will arise #1 mild, non-fatal radiation poisoning damages people's immune systems and #2 radiation makes "bugs" mutate faster - not a nice combination in areas with no running water or functioning sewage systems.

Medical systems already have triage plans, as do the military and other defense agencies.  Smart phone addicted idiots often do not even have an asprin in the medical cupboard and no concept of the possibilities they would face.  The culture shock alone could kill millions.
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shown in Britain app 30 some years ago
generally accepted as a realistic depiction of what nuclear war might be like
I try and watch this every couple of years just as a sober reminder of what might be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK8zNw6ONuk
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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

All politics aside, Americans still do not grasp the horror or effects of a nuclear hit on the United States. If several nukes vaporized much of Los Angeles or San Diego, primary targets - It would make the hurricanes seem like a warm up.

Thanks, Med!  I collaborate with the FBI WMD Directorate and have training in nuclear terrorism. 

It is postulated that it would take only one small to medium sized weapon to devastate the USA, economically and socially, if it were placed properly.  Losses of human life, property, business and government assets would be crushing.  A relatively small fusion bomb would destroy the entire LA downtown area and much of the surrounding. 

My concern is NOT an ICBM - it has to be launched, warhead has to successfully re-enter the atmosphere, and the fuse needs to initiate to trigger the warhead.  My main concern is either a "backpack" weapon, or one brought into the USA in a freight container, private jet etc.  

NK having any warheads is an existential threat to the USA, something tells me it is clobbering time.
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I think that most people would become sick and die in a matter of a few weeks due to unsanitary water and then exacerbated by lack of good food. Most people don't realise that you shouldn't drink river water as it's full of germs that we are just not used to. 

I'd rather see a huge but quick die off than a long drawn out one. I walked behind our local supermarket yesterday and saw the contents of one of their huge delivery trucks - it had just been unloaded onto the hardstanding - and that supermarket gets 5 of those trucks a day, 7 days a week, and there are 4 big supermarkets in our town. Without that supply chain, what would people eat?
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Each other - probably.  The only idea most people have about survivalism is gleaned from movies and shows. Tastes in such things are growing in bloodthirstiness and gruesomeness year by year.  Without an effective police force the, leadership would probably resemble "Mad Max" or worse.

I trust people completely ------- to do 100% the wrong thing.  Or putting it into the words of Robert Heinlein:  "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
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