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Is There a Killer Squirrel Virus?

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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

CRS,DrPH,Excellent advice. Always look at the liver of any animal and if it does not look healthy,consider just how hungry you really are.Johnray1

Thanks!  I like how that column also touched on trichinosis from wild hogs.  Lots of wild game is loaded with that stuff, including bear and cougar, and it is a very serious & hard to treat illness.  

I've never eaten a squirrel, they don't seem to have a lot of meat on them....how many squirrels would an average sized adult male require for a full meal?
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Thanks, Dr. and Johnray good advice. I have hunted birds and in those days no BF so no checking was necessary. I have not hunted other game but will if TSHTF.

Dang, I could make a meal out of a squirrel with pasta, rice and any vegies add a little beef or chicken bullion cube you have a feast. Meat is just to flavor and give a little protein. Look at the Japanese they eat very little meat and do very well. We Americans love our 12 - 16 oz steaks but if TSHTF life will change.
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CRS,DrPH,FluMom is correct. One squirrel with mashed potatoes and squirrel gravy and biscuits or other extras will make you a good meal. I prefer two or 3 squirrels with extras of masked potatoes and squirrel gravy and biscuits and any other extras that you like can make a good meal for 3 or four people.

If you are roasting or cooking the squirrel in the woods and have no extras ,one squirrel will go further than you think. But two squirrels are really better.I really like the taste of the squirrel meat.Johnray1
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CRS,DrPH, Deer,Bear,and hogs all carry Trichnosis. A girl that I with caught Trichnosis from eat under cooked pork. She damn near died.It the Drs. a long time to get the diagnosis.Johnray1
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My dad is convinced that all hogs are now treated and you can have rare pork every time. He gets mad at me because I cook my pork done every time. He calls it cooking it to death. I also cook some pork for hours to tenderize it. I hate rubber meats. Hogs may now be treated for trich but I don't care. They carry other ***** that's not treated. As does everything else.

Top ramen and a can of tuna with a dash of mayonnaise and anything else i can sruce it up with is my favorite survivalist quickie. I suppose when the tuna runs out I'll be seeing if JR left me any squirrels. I love biscuits and gravy and tender meats.
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onefluover,Hogs raised on concrete and treated with meds may be safe,but we will probably not be eating those kinds of hogs.Johnray1
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Seems some squirrels come already marinated. Read this on BBC news today:



A "drunk" squirrel has caused hundreds of pounds of damage at a private members' club.
The secretary of Honeybourne Railway Club said he originally thought someone had broken into the premises, near Evesham in Worcestershire.
The floor was covered in beer and glasses and bottles smashed, Sam Boulter said.
Mr Boulter, 62, said he then saw a squirrel "staggering around" after coming out from behind a box of crisps.

He added: "There were bottles scattered around, money scattered around and he had obviously run across the bar's pumps and managed to turn on the Caffrey's tap.
"He must have flung himself on the handle and drank some as he was staggering around all over the place and moving a bit slowly.
"I've never seen a drunk squirrel before. He was sozzled and looked a bit worse for wear, shall we say."
Mr Boulter, who estimated he lost about £300 in the incident, eventually caught the squirrel in a waste paper bin and released it out of the window.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-33541502
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Omg that is hilarious!!!!
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Willoby Brat commented to me:  

"I wonder how many stories up the release window was?  

About £300?  ...[pause]...That's about how much I can spend on Caffery's in a night!  Hey Maggie,  Can you embroider a squirrel on my Caffrey's T-shirt?"

Look at the trouble those pesky beasts cause.
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It also highlights the damage that just one squirrel can do to supplies.

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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

CRS,DrPH,FluMom is correct. One squirrel with mashed potatoes and squirrel gravy and biscuits or other extras will make you a good meal. I prefer two or 3 squirrels with extras of masked potatoes and squirrel gravy and biscuits and any other extras that you like can make a good meal for 3 or four people.

If you are roasting or cooking the squirrel in the woods and have no extras ,one squirrel will go further than you think. But two squirrels are really better.I really like the taste of the squirrel meat.Johnray1

If you catch a squirrel while it is chowing down on a snake, I suppose you get an extra serving? 


Not sure if I believe that story or not!  
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Sorry, Hazlepad!

The squirrels have developed improved camoflague practices:   http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p036ynwl
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As I was looking at this thread I have one suggestion. All game that you kill must be cooked WELL! I mean well done not tasty! I would do as the pioneers did have a pot cooking most of the day over a fire or in the solar cooker. If I have to do this I will cook in the solar cooker all day and then put on the fire for an hour or two just to make sure any bad stuff is gone.

If you are on the go then make sure you roast any game well done over a fire. If the game is a deer or something big like that slice the meat in thin strips skewer on a stick and cook well done. Rabbit, squirrel, birds split game in 1/2 or quarter, if there is more than one person to cook, less meat to cook so it cooks faster, skewer and make sure they are well done.

Home can goods must be boiled for at least 5 minutes to make sure they are good.

When TSHTF there will be no meds and no docs to help so you must keep your family well.
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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
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You have no idea how long I've waited for an opportunity to post this one... LOL


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That is destructively funny JD!  My entire family is convulsed with laughter.  Daughter just had asthma attack! - not serious.

Go on....... How long?
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A loooong time - it's been on my tablet for at least two years. Now to find an excuse to clear out the rest of the pics I've saved.




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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

We have tons of rabbits and in Colorado we have lots of rabbits with tularemia. In the last week I have been seeing lots of dead squirrels in my area. Not sure why maybe they have tularemia.

I guess the big question is if TSHTF how would we know if rabbits or squirrels have tularemia?

Here is what I learned:

"Heat kills F. tularensis, so cook meat to the right temperature — a minimum of 165 F (73.8 C) for ground meat and game meat — to make it safe to eat.

Tularemia can be effectively treated with antibiotics such as streptomycin or gentamicin, which are given by injection directly into a muscle or vein. Depending on the type of tularemia being treated, doctors may prescribe oral antibiotics such as doxycycline (Oracea, Vibramycin, others) instead.

You'll also receive therapy for any complications such as meningitis or pneumonia. In general, you should be immune to tularemia after recovering from the disease, but some people may experience a recurrence or reinfection."

So if it you get antibiotics and you get cured you most likely will not get it again.

Let's face it if TSHTF we will need to eat rodents to survive if we have a long term survival situation.


If you are hunting any wild rodents, you have to be especially careful during butchering.  This is when you are likely to get tularemia, not during cooking/consuming the meat. 

The infectious dose of tularemia is ridiculously low, only one or two organisms is enough (which is why it is an FBI select bioterrorism agent of concern).  The Soviets and others sought to weaponize tularemia, I don't know how successful they were.  
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I've not heard of a specific squirrel virus before, but it is possible that they may become carriers for Hantavirus, which is a nasty piece of work:


I used to hate the little suckers, but my wife and I have trained them to come up to the porch door and take animal crackers with peanut butter out of our hands (they are amazingly gentle)!  

Yeah, I know, one bite = rabies shots.  Livin' dangerously in Illinois. 


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