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    Posted: January 19 2018 at 11:30am

Flu May Be Spread By Just Breathing


https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2018-01-19/flu-may-be-spread-by-just-breathing


this makes the infection control procedures followed by hospitals to be pretty much useless ?

staff and visitors should be wearing N95 masks and not just surgical masks

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Flu May Be Spread By Just Breathing


https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2018-01-19/flu-may-be-spread-by-just-breathing


"People with flu generate infectious aerosols [tiny droplets that stay suspended in the air for a long time] even when they are not coughing, and especially during the first days of illness," he explained in a university news release. "So when someone is coming down with influenza, they should go home and not remain in the workplace and infect others."

Actually, this is old news....the process is known as "shedding."  An infected person is most infectious during the earliest stages of infection, when the virus is replicating furiously.  Pre-symptomatic cases shed copious quantities of live virus in bodily fluids (called "inapparent infection.")

By the time a case recognizes they are coming down with influenza (are becoming symptomatic), they have likely transmitted large quantities of virus & left secretions on doorknobs etc.   Viral shedding goes down rapidly once a case becomes symptomatic.  


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Sneezes travel a very long way........................

i work i a small team of people ,

a cold goes round ,

but its odd ,some  get it some dont ,this time last year three of us came down with a very bad flu,

 bedridden for a week,

 i was one ,

of the other  co -workers, one had a slight cold and no one else got anything........


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one thing i  did realised ,

i didnt go to the doctors ,when i got the Flu ,

 i knew what i had and knew how to deal,

 but in hind sight i should have gone, have a sample taken  ,

just in case it was a "novel virus"

will do better next time .......
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You can get it going to the grocery store! I work at a school...a germ factory! They are doing extra sanitizing of all the desks and tables so no vacuuming this week just sanitizing.

I have not heard that many kids are out with the flu we have had some gastroenteritis (stomach bug) but not a lot of coughing. Last year this time we had a lot of kids coughing. I know because I make them sit at the back of the class when they are coughing. I got pneumonia one year because a kid coughed on me and I got sick within 24 hours! In a week I had pneumonia!

Dang I hate getting sick!!!

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I've read this study and several articles about this study and though they found viral RNA in exhalation of flu victims, the study didn't try to grow the virus in culture (why I can't fathom) and so it is unknown whether you could get influenza from this method! Best advice! Wash your hands and sanitize!
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

Sneezes travel a very long way........................

i work i a small team of people ,

a cold goes round ,

but its odd ,some  get it some dont ,this time last year three of us came down with a very bad flu,

 bedridden for a week,

 i was one ,

of the other  co -workers, one had a slight cold and no one else got anything........



It's not the distance of a sneeze, but the formation of "droplet nuclei."  These are microscopic bits of nasal & oral secretions that dry almost instantly, becoming floating "chips" containing viruses that remain airborne for (in some cases) hours.  They then can be inhaled deep into the respiratory tract, causing infection.  

This is from the "good old days" of discussions about Ebola.  This also applies to influenza transmission.

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i travel to work on the train,

i have seen with my own eyes ,someone with a very very runny nose ,

strap hanging,wiping mucus off  their nose with their hand ,

and then right  back on the hanging strap,

i never strap hang,press buttons only with knuckle, i never hold  a moving handrail,never open a Toilet door on the way out with my bare hand.......

in other words i THINK ABOUT where my hands are ...........and what they GRABBING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s sorry......not on this thread i know Evil Smile in me lol
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That is a good set of habits to develop!  We could all benefit from taking a leaf out of your book, Carbon.
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i still got the Flu last year ..........lol


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It has definitely made me more aware of what I'm doing, what I'm touching, where I'm going and what times I am going places. I went to the pharmacy to pick up a prescription the other day and I used the hand sanitizer as soon as I walked in the door, I didn't sit down or touch anything except having to sign for the meds, then I used the hand sanitizer again, lol. I got up early Saturday and went to the store right when it opened at 8:00 hoping there wasn't a lot of people shopping and I was the only one in the store. We passed on an invitation with friends to go to the casino Saturday night, eeewwww, I can only imagine the sickness, lol. A little paranoid, so just being a little more careful when possible.
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The flu can be spread just by breathing, new study finds


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/flu-can-spread-just-breathing-new-study-says-181713428.html

The researchers found that a significant number of flu patients regularly exhaled the virus via aerosol particles that were small enough to cause a risk of airborne transmission. About 48 percent of the 23 fine aerosol samples the researchers collected when people breathed but didn’t cough had detectable levels of the flu, and most of those were infectious (i.e., they could make other people sick).

While most people tend to think that they can catch the flu only by being exposed to droplets from an infected person’s cough or sneeze, or by touching surfaces that have been contaminated with those droplets, the researchers found that that just isn’t the case.

Before you panic, know this: While the information is surprising to most people, it’s not to the medical community. “We knew that the flu had the capacity to do this, but this study is just showing it’s a real phenomenon,” Amesh A. Adalja, MD, a board-certified infectious disease physician and senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, tells Yahoo Lifestyle.

The flu is spread most efficiently from person to person when people are within 3 to 6 feet of each other, William Schaffner, MD, an infectious disease specialist and professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, tells Yahoo Lifestyle. “When someone with the flu breathes out, it hovers in the air, and if someone who is within range breathes it in, they are infected,” he explains.


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