Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
Lessons Learned From "Jericho" |
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PATB
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Mach...we are at DMAFB in AZ and the increase in night flying is our clue an increase to orange alert. It makes me feel safe to watch their trainning and chasing antics. My mom and I went onto the base, pulled over by the guard gate and were immediately approached - armed with weapons - military. It is very apparent when we go to orange, it is not a game.
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Someone probably pointed this out already, but the thing I think of with a bit of sadness when I watch Jericho is that the people of the town are together, even with all the drama and the soap situations, they're working together to some degree. With a pandemic situation, folks won't be. They'll be indoors, hiding, afraid to mingle, meet and work as a team on anything for fear of germs. And once a wave comes through, if word gets around that it's changed and coming back around, which that will happen just because of normal flu differences, then the whole hiding and not cooperating thing will happen all over again. I think it's going to be really sad for humanity as a whole, the loneliness we're all about to go through.
Can you imagine how the children of that generation would feel growing up in an environment where touch is discouraged, distance from others is encouraged and fear of groups reigns?
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yes, 18 months is a long time for a young child. Children 4 and older will
believe every word when you say, this will not be for always, it will stop and we can live more like we did.. and go out to be with people. If a parent smiles... kids think the world is pretty good.
exchange walkie talkies with a few friends who live near. Is anyone getting a satellite phone? Anyone use one? Or just journalists abroad?
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Jericho is about the US being attacked...
so what is the Government doing to safeguard us?
Check it out...
Carrier Groups at the ready.
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I am hoping that we will be able to talk to neighbors, from a distance, I dont think a lot of the very sick will be out and about. I know they can be for a while, but after we have sheltered, I would go out and stand with a mask at about five feet from a neighbor to chat. One thing we have to remember, the world did survive after 1918, and they were pretty primitive compared to us now. I looked at photos of them, with their masks on, but nothing to protect the eyes or the hands. Many homes didnt even have hot water yet in the begining of last century. People still bathed in metal type tubs with water heated from a pot on the stove. Thus, they bathed maybe once a week. We do have some things in our favor now that we did not then.
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Tonight is the climax....I hope there are some great prepping tips this time around.
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Bill 100
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Thanks for the reminder rapture, I nearly forgot it again.
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roxy
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hi to all, prep some more, that what the show has taught me., roxy
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Ugh.......Have to wait for next spring for more tips. I did check out "who dropped the bomb.com". Some people really get into this show!
What was the deal with the hand-pump in the start of the show? I missed it,my kids where running in front of TV....missed the first part of show.
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... believe that was not to rely completely on the generators to pump the water ...
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"When an emergency arises, the time for preparation is past."
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Bill 100
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emmajones
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Seeing Jonah with that HUGE gash on his arm worried me. What the heck would I do if that happened to someone and I could not get them to a doctor? I even looked online and apparently you can buy suturing needles and thread - but even so how would you know if what you're doing is right? How would the partient stand the pain w/o anesthesia? I guess if it's a choice of that or bleeding to death I'd have to try to stitch them up. Sure hope it doesn't come to that.
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I think that being a physician at a time of trouble like in the show Jericho or during BF could be very dangerous. People are going to assume, that the Pysicians have medications at their homes for their families. So sick people will go to the home to try to get medical help and medications. It could be one of the first places sick people go after a while. Most people know who is who in the neighborhood. A lot of patients know where their Doc lives. I believe if I were a physician, I would consider moving my family out of the town I practised in. Kind of doing like the black man in Jericho. The fact that Dr.s are not giving out prescriptions for Tamilflu and prescriptions for other meds and additional amounts of meds people are on all the time, is going to lead to a lot of angry people if this happens. Especially towards the Dr. they are trusting who is telling them, that this is not nessecary. I know everyone one of my Dr.s insists that this is not going to happen. Therefore, they wont prescribe. Some are really demeaning and smirky like your a fool when you ask for meds. Talk about being a target for anger and frustration, if this happens. Angry, sick, grief stricken people who feel they have nothing left to lose are scary. I hope Jericho does a good job, of potraying some of these things when it returns back on the air. I heard it will be back on in Feb. Maybe if people get educated now, they will not be as bad in a disaster.
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Vstr, you're right. The only thing is, doctors wont be able to leave. Sending their families away is like a mother sending her small kids away - there is that fear of who's going to be protected, will they be safe. In our case, we can't as both of our families live within the outskirts of major (huge) cities. We're better off here. I'm thinking of putting a sign up that says we've already been broken into, and that we will shoot any that enters, etc. (in Spanish and English). Maybe that will discourage them from wanting to break in.
As for assuming a physicians family has the meds, I doubt they will. My husband has four other doctors in his group and we're the only family out of them that already has Tamiflu. You're right, a lot of doctors won't prescribe, and have attitudes, but a lot will too - it's just a matter of asking. My husband will prescribe anything that anyone asks (except painkiillers) for as long as he doesn't see a physical reason not to (such as it might conflict with something or he's worried they might use it to harm themselves.) He tells people that he doesn't mind it at all, as it is a smart thing to do to think ahead. But obviously, as his own practice indicates, he's not one of the majority of physicians that think that way.
It's going to be hard, that's for sure. I think that the flip side to people being angry and going after physician homes is maybe the neighbors and such will help protect them because a doctor in their neighborhood is a commodity they won't be able to replace. It'll be in their best interest to make sure that doc survives. But then, you're right also - for those that have lost it all, they won't care one iota about that.
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lion of judah
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Has anyone watch the Jericho countdown on-line. I haven't been but decide to watch them last night the first few are all about nuclear disasters but after that any disaster would have the same effect. They talk about socitey coming unraveled, violents, every thing. It is done in an almost documentary/story form. I found it very informative.
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PATB, the miltary doesn't rely use the national alert level. there may be increased flying due to an increase of national alert level to overfly and protect cities, but locally, for base security, they use Force Protection levels to define base security procedures. You are very right. this is not a game. It's for keeps. |
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dr d
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THe prep is not too different at all.
Plastic sheeting 9 mil in thickness duct taped over doors and windows for max of 72 hours. A/C OFF and the motors(outside) covered. All venting covered with 9 mil plastic as well. Precut now and leave in clear plastic bags with the window number on it.Leave the duct tape in the bag also. YOu won't get much warning. Connelrad is obselete and has been for years. Anyone else remember the Wed air raid drills...in the 1960s??
Read Pat Frank's book Alas Babylon. It is about post atom bomb. Old but WHAT a punch...
How many of you have awl and needles and thread on your list. Magnesium to use as a fire starter??razors" phonograph??
Ok SOLAR YEA?!?!!!
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dr d
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THe first rain will be a radioactive rain that wll necessitate the rmoval of the first 18 inches of soil. I was impressed that the show was accurate. It's an important thing to know.
At Beprepared.com they sell small radioactive detectors. They also sell potassium iodine. You don't need this if you are on thyroid replacement meds. Kids can take it in liquid. It's called PIMA pediatric dose 1 ml one time daily for minimum of three days preferred 7 days
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dr d
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the web site is whodroppedthebomb.co
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dr d
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Sorry,add the m to the end...whodroppedthebomb.com
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Dr d
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Dr d,
I don't think plastic sheeting will do much against radioactive fallout. Yes, it will keep the particles out of the house if you can seal it well enough, but the radiation will go right thru the walls. You need several feet of earth or concrete to shield your living area. A basement is a start, but you need a high mass ceiling. Once the fallout is on the ground, it doesn't go away. It will still be radioactive outside for weeks to months depending on what the original intensity was. Without a 'bomb shelter' that surrounds you with high mass to absorb the radiation, a way to measure the radiation, and a stock of food and water, people will not survive even relatively moderate amounts of radioactive fallout. Is the sheeting for something else? |
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Thank you dr d. You just answered a question I've been wondering about for awhile. |
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I don't have my notes in front of me, but I don't hinks it's potassium iodine. Iodine doesn't do the trick and is very toxic. The pills are either Potassium iodate, or potassium iodide. I belive it's the latter. they come in a sealed package with 12 or 14 pills per package. I don't remember where I purchased mine, but I can look it up at home if anyone is really interested. They basically fill your thyroid with the iodide so that the radioactive material can not. The thyroid loves to store that poison stuff, and that's wher the post-nuclear fallout cancers arise from.
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dr d
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It is potassium Iodide they come in pills and in liquid. The liquid is sold under the name of PIMA that's for potassium idodide for kids. 1ml is enough for a child. Please remember that if you TAKE a thyroid replacement(on synthroid or levoxyl) you do NOT need this medication
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dr d
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I will tell you what we were told at the bomb,burn and balst session of WMD(weapons of mass destruction).
Most of the radiation can be expected to come straight down. So anything on the roof needs to be sealed. The biggest leaks are around doors and windows and a 9 mil plastic is designed to protect against the most rapidly decaying prticles. Not the long half lifers bu the rapidly decaying which will end in approx 72 hours. Regular plastic does not confer safety. Double it or tripe layer it it make aa 9 mil.
You are right about the bomb shelter. It's the best place to be. BUT,where is the ventilation comong from?The AMRID manual still has info on how to build a safety shelter. Also ther's a website called ARk two that has a whole lot of info. Sometimes BEach is pretty radical and sometimes he is right on the money. He has presented recently htree segments on nuclear fallout and how to be safe.
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