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    Posted: January 29 2006 at 5:25pm

Important information about masks.

Recommendations about what to get.

Recommendations about sources.

Recommendations about usage.

Recommendations about re-use.

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Originally posted by anitaRNpulmo:

I set a blog site about these problems with pics, docs, leaflets (how to, do/dont) , advices and links.
I am uploading the first pages ... Anita RN pulm nurse

http://avianflu-personal-protection.blogspot.com/

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Originally posted by MaryKay:

Do buy a N95, N99, N100 mask.
Don't buy a surgical mask unless you plan on doing surgery. These masks are designed to protect the PATIENT from the health care worker's germs, not the opposite. They do not fit snuggly against one's cheeks, therefore they are useless. Their holes are 50 times {Approx.} the size of a N95. Virus is a tiny fraction of the size of bacteria.
Don't fold, bend, crease a mask. This causes a long hole, allowing virus in. If I was in this situation with no other mask available I would tape the fold on the outside.
Don't touch the outside of the mask with bare hands once you've worn it in public. When removing always use gloves. After use, hang indoors, away from humans, for three days before reuse. Bagging it is fine.
Don't reuse if mask becomes soiled, fluids.
Don't wear goggles if they interfere with mask, get smaller goggles. Goggles need to be air tight if effective, tape holes on side of goggles if you've purchased standard protective goggles.
Don't wear a mask with a beard. This will interfere with seal. The beard's gotta go.
Rubber bands go on upper head and upper neck area.
I can't find a suitable/well fitted mask for my 12 year old so if she must go outside I will completely tape the perimeter,{rim} of the mask securely to her face.
Store mask in a cool, dry place, not in sunlight as this will break down the material. {Second law of science, thermodynamics}
I find that masks don't fit as snuggly as I would like, the top, sides of the nose bridge area seems a tiny bit loose, even after I have adjusted the metal band, so I will tape the nose bridge area with a bandaid or paper tape, .....call me paranoid. : )

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This company has masks for children 3-10 years old.  They are currently back-ordered until February 10. 

www.surviveall.co.uk
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I purchased masks from http://store.pksafety.net/dustmasks.html

and had them in 48 hours. :)
I live in the same state they shipped from which helped too, but they shipped the same day that I ordered them.

Regarding the child size masks, the 3M 8110 N95 Particulate Respirators fit my 9 year old daughter quite well.

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1 box of 20  - 3M 8110 N95 Particulate Respirators (size small)  - $16 USD

1 box of 20 - 3M 8210 N95 General Use Particulate Respirators (size regular) - $13.75 USD

Priority Shipping - Approx $4.



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Originally posted by Doodlebug Doodlebug wrote:

This company has masks for children 3-10 years old. 

I can't find the rating (N95 etc) on the childs masks...did you find that anywhere? 

I just want to be 110% before I order (this child size mask thing has me losing hair...)

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Stina,

The FFP3 masks are the European equivalent of N100 or P100 - the safest protection you can buy.  I could only afford a few due to the exchange rate disadvantage and shipping costs, but I'm comfortable (as I can be without any direct medical knowhow) with my decision to choose them.


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Aha!  thanks for the info...It is pricey (I am in canada) but well worth it to keep my 3 year old safe.

Now onto finding dehydrated foods in Canada....

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I AM RE-POSTING THIS POST IN THE "PRIORITY PREPARATIONS" SECTION, HOPING FOR MAYBE A FEW MORE RESPONSES.  THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO REPLY:

This is my first post to this forum.  First of all, thanks to all of you who have been posting and replying.  I have been reading this forum for several days now and find it very helpful.  My girlfiend thinks I am a nut for stockpiling water, respirators, latex gloves, soap, bleach, alcohol-based sanitizer and other household products.  I am now turning my attention to canned goods.  My goal is to be self-sufficient without going out for 90 days.  Not there yet and she thinks I'm an absolute loon.  ANYWAY, I'm sure there has been plenty of discussion about respirators on here, but I have a question:  Has anyone tried the 3M 8210 Plus respirator?  I ordered about 500 of the 3M 8000 (without first trying it on) and could not get a good fit.  So I sent them back and orderd about 360 of the "better" model, the 3M 8210.  I can't afford to pay much over a dollar per respirator if I am to have any meaningful quantity. Anyone have any comments about the 8210?  Any other comments would be helpful.  Am I correct to assume that, even though the H5N1 is only one micron, a N95 will still be effective because the virus will travel in clumps or on larger water droplets? Also, any thoughts on what else I should be stockpiling?  Batteries, razors & other toiletries, lighters, candles, etc. etc.?   THANKS AGAIN TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING THERE.  Hope to hear some replies.

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lots of stuff to stock up on- see alberts's list- good stuff... not sure on the masks--- btw welcome
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Welcome RetroShaggy.

I have ordered 3M 8210 N95 masks for myself, and I am pleased with the fit. I also may consider using medical tape along the edges if I feel any doubt, but I am pretty confident.

I also ordered 3M 8110 N95 masks for my 9 year old daughter and am pleased with the fit as well.

I ordered from http://store.pksafety.net/dustmasks.html and was super pleased with their prices, customer service and delivery speed.

P.S.  we had a member write a helpful review of another type of mask, the nanomask http://superflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1034 

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Thanks, Justme.  Can I ask you how many you ordered?  I am trying to prepare for my girlfriend and myself.  I am sort of assuming an 18 month pandemic.  What do you think would be a reasonable number per person?  I am estimating having to go out about 3 times per week, but I am just guessing.  Also, do you have a smaller supply of the more expensive masks in case you have to go somewhere that is more "high risk" like the doctor's office or the dentist's office?  Thanks again.  Good to finally be a part of the forum.
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So far I have one box of each. I am not sure how many I will end up buying. It is the only kind of mask I have so far. That is a great idea about having a better mask for higher risk areas. (Dont forget eye protection!)

Using 3 masks per week for 18 months will need 216 masks per person (that will add up quickly $$$!). Keep in mind that the masks are only recommended for a short while (30 minutes of use if I recall correctly), be sure to double check that and compare it to your usage intentions.

(Though you could contract it from surface contamination as well, dont forget some surgical gloves. Costco has boxes of 300 gloves for $9.99 right now).

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I have 120 of 3M's 9211 N95 and 100 procedure masks.

I feel very light on the mask front but I plan on ordering more procedure masks, don't know about the N95's.  When I ordered my gross it was about $140 which included shipping.  I'm afraid to look what it is now.

As an aside:  When I ordered the gross I had the salesman call me (thinking I was a new customer of bulk items) and asked what I wanted them for.  It was before BF was in the papers or news more than a paragraph here or there.  I was so embarrassed to tell him why I wanted them that I lied and said that I had an Immunocompromised friend whom I intended to gift them to.  He replied "Ummm, that's nice."  Disappointed I wasn't some doctor's office or something for repeat orders.

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I am uploading day after day docs and files about personal protective equipment in my site (lot of pics) - http://avianflu-personal-protection.blogspot.com/
another traditional web site with linked page willopen soon with donwloadable files.
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Very helpful Anita, thanks for all the info!
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Everything I've read, procedure masks and related types are simply not effective enough. What is required is the respirators with disposable filters. This is what I've gotten -- along with the P100 filters -- I'm not willing to risk that 5% to save a little bit of money. Are you all comfortable with masks?
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Ot, I like the concept of disposable filters too, but haven't located a good brand/type, what do you like?   I am also a little more concerned about fit with reuseable masks with disposable filters.

How do you plan to disinfect the filter-holding mask device?

There's a lot to learn, just my opinions here.
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Some things to think about regarding mask use. I'm no expert.

You only need to wear the mask when you might be exposed, like a trip to
the bank machine or corner store (if they are open) . But if you don't come
into close proximity to anyone, I would hold on to it and use it another day.

If you are in a room taking care of someone that is ill, you might want to
change that mask after you are done. My 2-cents.

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I have some of the 3M 6000 Series. They're plastic and fit very snugly -- a key factor in ensuring that none of the virus-laden air sneaks around the mask and gets in you.

http://www.safetysaves.com/safety_wear/product.php?product id=457

As for disinfecting, I will spray myself and it down with bleach-water upon return from wherever I have to go to. I then will put the respirator into a bleach water tank to thoroughly sanitize. Theone thing everyone needs to remember is that from what I understand, the virus spores could anywhere on you after being in an infected area -- so it is key to decontaminate well after returning. In fact, I'm almost more worried about the decontamination aspect than whether my respirator and goggles will work OK

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