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Nergal
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I have been away for a while, many apologies. I want to touch base on something being largely ignored given the current situation. This is the Martial Law situation developing as a result of this so called Ebola outbreak. Military Quarantine will likely be the solution proposed by our so called leaders in the order of Homeland Security. I know Janet Napolitano is itching to use her executive powers in a Homeland Security operation. I see news of random politicians calling for this Ebola Czar. FEMA answers to H.S. and the chief of H.S. is Janet Napolitano. So would that not automatically appoint her via executive orders? Is FEMA not the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Would this situation fall under the guise of an emergency? I would like to believe that you can see where I am going with this line of thought. Quarantine has already been initiated in certain areas where the reports of infection are taking place. This situation has the potential to be abused or "taken advantage" of if you rather. Millions of unaware Americans can be erroneously killed or forced into quarantine zones without being sick of even have contracted an illness of any kind. They went soft during the H1N1 swine flu vaccine campaign and backed away from it while sweeping it under the rug. I suppose they thought we forgot about that. I have not forgotten. Have you? What happened then? Did millions die? NO! The few that did die were killed by the vaccine. Or harmed by the vaccine. They wanted forced vaccines for everyone. Not this time. Now we will face an even bigger threat. Forced quarantine by FEMA and H.S. This has been in the cards for a long time. This is how these corrupt organizations can justify their bloated, wasteful budgets. They have been specially created for this situation. With escalating global tensions, economies on the brink, social unrest and the real threat of total political overthrow, there is real potential to unleash the totalitarian police state on the unsuspecting public. I am sure the paid shills and disinformation agents that occupy this website will do all to discredit me but fear not. I have no credibility to demerit in the first place as everything I am saying is available in the public domain. These agents are just as afraid of being exposed as the political oligarchy is of being overthrown. I won't identify any of them by name but I have read their articles and great advice on how to survive this or that scenario. I learned to look for key phrases or words used in certain order to spot these disinformation agents. They are another branch arm of the political oligarchy that manipulates and distorts information so while large portions of the information is true there is a portion that is not. Alex Jones is a classic example of a disinformation agent. The best disinformation agents will do everything and anything to convince you that your interests are their interests. They will convince you they are fighting your cause for you and will try to draw you into that conflict. They will give you all kinds of good advice on how to get ready for this disaster or that. I will tell you in my experience that aware personnel in full possession of the truth is best fitted for combat. Otherwise you are enabling the totalitarian state to execute full authority.
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Never let a good crisis go unused for political gain. That is how the current administration has operated in the past and will in the future.
Bengazi is an example we need to look at during this Ebola issue. They did not tell the truth then for political gain and are not capable of telling the truth now. Withholding the investigation results in the Bergindahl swap one for five he is a traitor to the US, till after the elections for political gain. Just a couple of examples. |
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The only problem with that is Janet Napolitano resigned as head of Homeland Security in August of 2013. She has no "executive powers" that I know of in her new job as president of the University of California system.
Nergal - paragraphs, please. |
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You are correct sir. My information is dated and I apologize. Jeh Johnson is the current head of D.H.S. I retract Janet Napolitano and insert Jeh Johnson. The same principle still applies. I have been out of the loop for a while so I am not completely up to date however, the Ebola scare tactics have reinvested my attention. I have been critiqued on a lot of things but I did not realize I was writing a post for English class. I apologize, next time I will have my editor correct this for me.
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And yet you provide no links whatsoever to this "information". I find it dubious, at best. No links from a legitimate website equals nothing but speculation and propaganda.
In fact, it smells like just another conspiracy theory. |
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I'm INTHESTICKS and I approved this message.
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7laws
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If you look under my recent topic about FEMA camps you will find links of articles about this. Scary news stories.
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Nergal
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My apologies again. I guess I dropped the ball. I suppose when I pointed out that this information was public domain I did not think I needed to do the research for you. Why do I need to prove credible? Only liars and con artists need to establish credibility. Therefore I don't think I need provide you with any information. I don't know about all you but I can access to all of this information from my computer. 7laws understands this and 7laws I am very interested in your FEMA camp info. Under what topic can I find this? By the way, I don't need a link, just point me in the right direction. I guess because I did not provide a link then I am a conspiracy theorist with absolutely no foundation of this knowledge of any kind. D.H.S., FEMA, the CDC are just stories I made up to scare everybody. I might as well have invented Ebola too. inthesticks is one I suspect may be a disinfo agent. http://www.cdc.gov - www.cdc.gov http://www.fema.gov - www.fema.gov http://www.dhs.gov - www.dhs.gov There are some links I have provided for your approval.
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Germ Nerdier
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Sticks! Say it isn't so!
A disinfo agent?? |
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Germ Nerdier
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Nergal,
I have heard that theory before. It seems to be an ever more popular line of thinking as the crisis grows. The reason some people ask for links is so they'll know the information has been vetted. |
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OriginalHappyCamper said "Never let a good crisis go unused for political gain. That is how the current administration has operated in the past and will in the future." Don't act like only one side plays that game! Both parties have moved so far to the extreme outer edge that I can't support either one! |
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Nergal
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I have learned that disinfo agents love to throw around the term "Conspiracy theorists" or "Consiracy theory". Disinfo agents like to discredit others with ridicule. Most of all, disinfo agents like to create an argument without a base line for which their argument stands. I suspect inthesticks not that I can confirm other than the reaction in which he posted. I am not going to argue this point. Study of behavioral psychology of these disinfo shills takes a lot of time to learn how to detect their behavior. It is always a slippery slope and these tricksters vary in tactics and experience. I good disinfo agent would have already disproved anything I had to say but you can not disprove what is so prevalent. I might be wrong about inthesticks but my experience says red flag.
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Interested....
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All of that is fine and dandy but PLEASE be sure to post links to your information unless it is purely an opinion peace. No disrespect to you or anyone else here but I double check everything before making my mind up about it's validity. If the current situation continues, this going to become extremely important.
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Interested....
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I suppose I should add... I used to be one of the bad guys. I wouldn't trust me if I were you. I know what they are doing because I used to do it too. The events of 2001 in NYC hit too close to home so I turned my back on them. I do not base my information on these so called "conspiracy theories" I base it on life experience. I am neither with them or you. I know what to do in a national crisis. They trained me well. They wanted me back in 2009 and I ignored them. I expect when SHTF my training will take over and that is how I will survive. I still have all of my chem gear. If you doubt me or my specialized training then I guess when we meet on the field, we will see. If you believe for one second I am clueless then you know nothing about me and I prefer it that way. I came here because I use sites like this as a measuring stick one what mass psychology affect has taken place. You should be worried about guys like me that are actually on the books. I know the play book and I know it well. If you expect me to provide you with intel then keep looking. This Ebola thing is a smoke screen, anyone with my level of training knows that. If you understand anything about disinformation you will know I speak only the truth. Or do I?
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Germ Nerdier
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I refuse to judge anyone or anything based on someone's 'gut'.
Best of luck to you Nergal. |
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Right.... Well thanks for the 'Intel' ;)
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Nergal
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You people need to become familiar with quarantine protocol, field operations, disinformation, psyops, martial law (which I think has been rebranded as "National security") NBC fallout recovery and normalization. If you don't know these, well I am not here to teach you. How about self aid buddy care? Base denial? Does any of this sound familiar to you? It is my native language.
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Nergal
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I can see I am dealing with a lot of pros here. Lot of ex military recon here? CIA ops? How about a bunch of civilians that have no idea. This benefits me as it increases my chances of survival and success. I love watching your reactions. It makes me smile that I can pick any website I want, post a bunch of random things and watch as the reactions amount to nothing. By the way, I never said anything about a "gut" feeling did I? You assumed that. I like that. That makes me very happy to know what I am up against. I am starting to like my odds. I don't have to prove anything to anyone. When it happens, while they are busy with you, I will have plenty of time to mosie away. I probably won't even need my egress bag as the preppers will have left so much behind I will live like a king. If none of you have field experience I am ok with that. It will provide huge benefits to me. I really do not like our politicians but our government has provided me with some skills I see I may need once again. It is nice to know you have provided a future for me and I thank you. I really mean that. By the way, I have provided no intel, just the probability that when things get bad the only thing that will save you is you and whatever training you have. I don't like civilian life anyways, never did. I thought it would be better than working for the government but perhaps I was mistaken. I am allowed to make mistakes, if that is ok with all of you. I don't know, they are still looking for internment/resettlement specialist aren't they? Perhaps I should go for it.
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7laws
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The links are under FEMA camps. About 20 topics from the top. I personally don't believe ebola is a smoke screen. I think it is an unanticipated surprise. The camps appear to be made for detention. I assume they were built for the collapse of the dollar which will obviously happen soon. If the dollar collapses there will be chaos. About 10 years ago the ATM cards stopped working in Southern California for half a day. That almost broke out into chaos. The people are unprepared for even a depression like in the 30s. They are so reliant.
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Welcome to the forums Nergal, I hope you can add some insight to our discussions.
Interesting choice of names BTw |
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The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself......FDR
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The suggestion of paragraphs are only to help you not critique you. You want to be heard don't you? Readers tend to stop reading long run on paragraphs or they just won't bother to begin with. Break it up into smaller ones & it's easier/quicker to read.
That's the point in why we need the links. Trust is earned not demanded. Credibility is earned & proven by good work not demanded just because you say so. You have to understand we see a lot of different types of people here so don't take offense. All of us were new here at some point. We have members from all over the world. There's not much the longer term members haven't seen in the way of content/theories & such. People who want to be taken seriously post links when they can to benefit all & back up their post.
Yeah, we even know who the head of Homeland Security is.
Welcome to the forums Nergal.
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7laws
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It appears steps toward declaring martial law were taken yesterday. Hmm. BTW, Nergal are you Mesopotamian?
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Elver, my wife said that about the first one that was flown in. She said why would you bring it? It seems like very bad decision making. My wife and I live in Africa and my Mom in the US made a funny comment when a friend asked her if she was worried about us. She told her friend it would probably come to the US before it got to East Africa. Looks like she was right.
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Jen147, you take a few columns of what I wrote and post a very biased response to it. If you don't want to read what I wrote, don't. If you don't like what I have to say, don't. If you don't honor the retraction I wrote, read it again. Is Janet Napolitano not a former D.H.S. Chief? Maybe if you actually read all of it instead of what you wanted to read it might make better sense. I don't give a care if you trust me or not. I am telling you how the government does things because I have experienced it. If you don't like it I am not going to beg and ask politely for you to please believe me. What did I say about credibility? Maybe you should read it again if you didn't understand. The most credible people on the planet are blatant liars. I don't want or need any credibility because the minute that happens I will throw myself in front of a truck. I don't care who comes here and says what. That us not my business nor is it why I am here. I worry about those that don't recognize sarcasm. My specialties do not include English or Grammar nor do I care about such things. My specialties are much more sinister than that. You take one line from a thread and elaborate it for me. Very cute trick. You don't understand the thought process here and that is ok. Just to annoy you I should make a huge thread with no spaces, sentences or periods. I won't but it would be funny. What is the matter, no sense of humor? Funny how the original message get twisted in into the mangled wreck you make it out to be. So what if I don't follow your delicate little etiquette. Cry about it, kick me out, disallow anything I might have to say because it violates your thought crime laws. Or you can pick it apart and play with it to your satisfaction. I really don't care and find it very amusing. I have been shot at. Do you really thing some moderator with a high opinion of themselves is going to phase me? Tell me what you plan to do when war shows up in your neck of the woods. I would like to hear it. Are you going to look for some cavalry to show up and rescue you are do you know how to fight? I will fight, that much is for sure. I will even kill if it comes to that but I refuse to become some cherished leader. I am no John Rambo but I will put up one memorable firefight. You know nothing about me and I like it that way so think whatever you like. It doesn't change who I am. In fact internet trolls like you only make me stronger. It proves my point about disinformation agents. No, I am not welcome, not here or anywhere. Another condition of my existence that I prefer is to be unwelcomed. I feel much more comfortable alone than being trapped in the herd.
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Well Nergal,Jen has been here a while, does not show any bias and is a very respected member of AFT.I personally object to your calling her a troll.Her stirling qualities are why Albert made her a moderator.Strangely enough, her ability to use the English language correctly aids her acceptance on the site.fnord.Perhaps if you could accept her gentle criticism/usefull information without rancour you would get more respect yourself.fnord.I am hoping I have managed to successfully illustrate the need for paragraphs here.fnord.Believe it or not you are welcome on AFT, everyone is.We are not proud.But, we do expect a degree of manners from our posters.Ettiquette is important both for clarity and to avoid giving offence.Both manners and grammar are usefull when communicating with people.fnord.I assume you do want to communicate or you would not be posting here at all.You say you want no credibility.Well without it no one wants to read your writings so why write?You ask us to read your writings a second time, most of us can't face doing it a first time.An occasional paragraph would solve that problem.fnord.Are you still sure you want no credibility?Maybe you are right and we do not understand your thought processes.You stand no chance of helping us to understand without English.Most of us are pretty bright but I have never met one of us whom protests they are a telepath, yet.On the subject of telepathy, we do not know you well enough to judge your veracity yet and even the most trusted of us try to give sources wherever possible.That is how we got to be trusted in the first place (I am assuming I am trusted, I do not rely upon it though).fnord.Yes we can fight.Yes we would fight.God, I hope we do not ever have to.fnord.Most of us can recognise sarcasm, but if you are referring to your posts then you need to adopt an occasional paragraph if you want us to spot it.You have to read the post to spot what is written.fnord.These are not thought-crime laws they are rules of behaviour agreed upon between like-minded people for their mutual benefit.fnord.So in conculsion.You are welcome here.Rudeness is not.If you want to be understood, try using some grammar and If you want to be believed try to list some sources.fnord.Most of all, BE POLITE.
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I am going back to using paragraphs now.
I don't think I can write without them. If you can see the fnords, they are paragraph breaks. |
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Aarrrgh - my eyes....
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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I must have hit a nerve, so there are those here with a pulse after all. Last time I checked, I can say and do whatever I want, whether it is well received or not. Polite manners are obviously not my strong suit. Paragraphs or not, the content was the goal and now I am vomiting all over my keyboard. This is an open forum. I can run down the President of the United States here if I want. I don't care how it makes you feel unless it is going to prompt you to actually get away from your computer and do something about it. I could if I wanted to but I don't yet see a cause worth my time. I would much rather come here and irritate all of you because it does actually amuse me. Complain all you want, it doesn't change anything. It doesn't change me or the world for the better. Complaining just makes you appear as a child. You support your friend, that is one good quality I have found since I have been here but it is stand alone. You know, for not using proper grammar I sure raised a lot of eyebrows. Sure, I could do it all proper like but where is the fun in having a unique pain in the @$$ around like me huh? I am that splinter under your nail and I will irritate you to no end until you dig it out. Technophobe, I absolutely love your reply. The hardest I have laughed yet. You are my friend. Of course Jen is biased, look at the way she responded to me silly. She didn't dare contradict the information I presented or point out any of my many flaws. Why do you need links? There is a whole internet out there to be explored other than what is on this website. I don't rely on links, I do my own research. How many times do I need to reiterate the credibility thing? If I was trying to do that I would pick my words carefully, with proper grammar and elaborate on every little thing. If you want to punch a hole in my psychology then set my house on fire at 3 a.m. Words mean little to nothing when so many misinterpretations are prevalent. You look at only what you want to when you want to obscuring your view of more covert tasks. I have gone out of my way to cause friction here as everyone is one sided. The general lot of you are all hand shakers and love makers. I doubt there is one real warrior amongst you with enough knowledge to be truly dangerous. You all seem so sad and lost. I though I could brighten your day with some animosity. I don't want or need your "credibility" because I have nothing to prove. It is all right in front of you and you don't see it. Why? Why can't you see what is right in your faces?
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AH! You don't say! I wonder why on Earth that would be?
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Ooh, I know, I know...
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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Nergal, wrote
I doubt there is one real warrior amongst you with enough knowledge to be truly dangerous. I have read your posts and I do believe that you believe that you are highly trained as a warrior. The question I have for you why are you not putting that training to use? I am sure that if you are as you say you are, a mercenary, that you could find a conflict somewhere in the world to use your skills. I used my training in the Vietnam conflict. I do not need to brag about it or run other folks down. Try looking up who got the Navy Cross during Vietnam, they were warriors some did not make it back. Did you wash out? |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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Just for Elver, who seems to be able to read Nergal's posts without paragraphs but not mine
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Technophobe I think the sarcasm in your post went over Elver's Head and did not stick on the wall.
I have quit reading posts without paragraphs as these old eyes are failing me. |
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Elver- The Mods on this forum are much more patient than I would be and I would like to thank them for overlooking a few of my rants! I think they put up with way to much! There are too many people here that are not here to discuss but to stir the S_ _T and just want to start fights!
To all you Mods: Keep up the good work! |
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Really? Want to take bets? I think there are several. |
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We'll have to introduce him to TG, Chuck
Arirish - much appreciated. |
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Ditto, JD.
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But I will listen. What do you want us to do? |
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You are right of course. We should not get snarly or attack. I am definitely guilty of that where Nergal is concerned. In my own defence: He accused Jen of trolling, which she did not deserve. However, two wrongs do not make a right and I apologise for retaliating.
As regards sources, I must disagree. They are absolutely vital for credibility and even vary in this amongst themselves. To be of any use data has to be evaluated and verifiable. That is the whole point of all those peer-reviewed journals. You are correct where opinions are expressed, such as your post above, or this one. But when stating facts, one needs proof, otherwise they are not facts and who knows what tosh we would base our prepping upon? So, whereas I must disagree with you, for the most part, on sources, you have a valid point on behaviour. I will try to do better. |
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Sounds fair - but it should be a two way street if we all consider ourselves to be adults here. The mods have been on the receiving end of a lot of criticism lately despite them having much more work to do (for free) than occasionally popping in to check news and post an odd comment. For instance, unlike many forums this place is spam free only because the mods hunt it down before most members even see it.
I have to agree with Techno though - posting a source for an article is not much to ask. If it's a site with dubious credentials, we really need to know because it may well be BS that's being posted as fact. To remain credible ourselves, it behooves us to know what we're posting and commenting on when we put it out there. It takes less than 30 seconds to include a link back to the original article, or at least paste the url so it can be verified. |
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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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