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    Posted: May 26 2006 at 11:16pm

Money is only one tool in creating a larger back stock of necessary supplies. Often the things we use can be used in more than one way. And much can be gotten for free or a fraction of the cost of buying "ready made." Perhaps sharing ideas will save $$$ and I like to spend what little money I have twice! Anyone interested in multiplying our wealth by sharing ideas?
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Buying fewer products helps in having more where it's needed. If I run out of deodorant I know that Milk of Magnesia can be used and really is better and safer than my smell good stuff and a bottle last close to forever. Raising a bunch of children I had to be very penny conscious and thus used only two products to clean everything in the house. Washing powders and bleach. I also made some liquid laundry detergent from fats saved from work and made my own soap. Times are better. Now I buy dish detergent which doubles as a quick hand soap and have used it to do laundry and even shampoo (I like the Lavender scented) so rather than buy 50 bottles of shampoo I opted to buy extra dish liquid. Dish detergent has also worked better at killing fleas on my dogs than the stuff they sell for that purpose. Lavender and Pine scent (Pine-Sol) both helps repel fleas.
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Whiskey, cigarettes, beer. that will make a fortune if the shops run dry with nobody to stock the shelves
 
Forget shares - the market will crash - then after is the time to buy
 
Forget real estate - all the houses and farms will be owned by corpses
 
Petrol Booze and smokes will be worth a kings ransom
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Let's prevent as much waste as possible; Have you ever driven along a road and saw fruit rotting on trees? I have and it bothers me a great deal. I've decided to approach the land owners and ask to gather it for them perhaps on half. I don't need it for myself but that would be one more thing I could share with a neighbor in a time of need. And there are a lot of wild delicious fruit and nuts. My daddy used to make Blackberry wine and kept it in the loft to use as medicine.
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Kilt: I must agree. These things will be extremely valuable and very easily traded in almost any locality. My question then is this.

What form of wealth will you require in return, and why?
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well
 
food petrol medicines masks
 
it depends what I need.
 
The shops will be bare and I have food but I may need something else - who knows.
 
Perhaps I need something I have not anticipated - like bargaining power with an aggessor who knows?
 
Money will be useless with nothing to buy. There will be empty houses everywhere so real estate will be worthless.
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If I run out of deodorant I know that Milk of Magnesia can be used and really is better and safer than my smell good stuff and a bottle last close to forever
 
 
Rubbing alcohol is a great deodorant as well. Was recomended by doc once when skin rashes appeared from deod.
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You can use baking soda as toothpaste.  You just wet your toothbrush and dip it in the baking soda.  I think it is pretty cheap and it lasts forever.
 
When I was a child and money was tight, my mom would have us brush with baking soda. 
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Maysday, Great idea!!! Another member recommended a site which has a lot of $-saving ideas: www.hillbillyhousewife.com . Scroll down the front page until you see the convenience foods, click on that, there is a whole bunch of info on making your own rice and pasta mixes for a fraction, also specialty coffee's and teas, lots more, all kinds of great stuff. She also has a section on cooking with storage foods. I've already made some of them and so far, everything has been healthy, filling and TASTY.

By the way, I will have to try the flea treatment. I have 13 cats and it's an on-going battle and I just cannot afford Frontline and the fle-collars don't work. Do you just rub it in? Any danger if they lick the fur?

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I really like the idea of using everything twice. I'll probably come up with some ideas but right now I'm tired and drawing a blank. It's a good mental exercise to look at something you use and say how could I use this another way?

I have been saving larger containers. Like the ones you get a salad in at Wendy's or soup in from the Chinese restaurant or cottage cheese containers. During a hurricane last year, I noticed that we were wasting water washing things like bowls to mix things in.

I would also cut paper towels in half or fourths to save on those.
 
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Femvet, I have 5 rescued cats. I was once told by a vet that a few drops of Pine-Sol in the cats bathwater helps reduce fleas. It works for me. Cats are very sensitive and there is so much you can't use. I don't do the flea collars since I came in onc day and found my cat hanging from a lace curtain in knots after getting caught in it. Might it be misted from a spray bottle as well? After spending 3 weeks trapping them to keep them from being killed I cured severe eye infections with left over liquid antibiotics prescribed for an infant grandson. My vet said I did really good with that. I guess I think in terms of preventing waste.
 
I have used Sevin dust and that can be used for many things too.
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Toilet tissue can also be used in place of facial tissue. And before  facial tissue came along we had handkerchiefs, which were  washed. Recycling is very important. Save $$$ and the landfills. Any old soft absorbent cotton (worn sheets?) can be cut into handkerchief size pieces and washed or disposed of. Instead of buying spray bottles to put clorine water in(or other), I rinse and label bottles I bought spray cleaners in (like Windex).
 
And instead of that product I could have used Vinegar and water for glass and surface cleaning! Research Vinegar. It is truly remarkable. I once read a story where terminally ill children greatly improved and gained weight after using vinegar in humidifiers.
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I always use shampoo for refilling hand soap pumps and for washing dishes, it works great! I can usually get shampoo free using double coupons at the grocery store so I use it for alot of things.
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Originally posted by Femvet Femvet wrote:

Maysday, Great idea!!! Another member recommended a site which has a lot of $-saving ideas: www.hillbillyhousewife.com .

 
has budget saving ideas
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Kilt: Good answer. You had me worried for a minute.
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 Great ideas from everyone.  To expand on Angies idea, you can use peroxide with your baking soda to kill germs and whiten teeth too (same active ingredients in those 'specialty' toothpastes for a fraction of the cost.).  For deodorant you can use a mix of baking soda and cornstarch powder  to deodorize and keep you dry.  Sift it if you want a finer powder.  I have stocked up on some inexpensive items that many who do not prepare won't have handy... chewing gum, fruit snacks, hard candy/lollypops,  those little boxes of crayons your kids get FREE at some restaurants, mini-bottles of bubbles (often sold for weddings - these are also great if you are standing in a long line at the fair or an amusement park), sample lotions/products in the mail or at stores.  What stressed mom wouldn't want a little pampering - while her now happy kids blow bubbles?  Even in a crisis the slightest 'comfort' may provide the biggest morale boost.  Small bottles of inexpensive spices - think 1001 ways to make rice & beans taste interesting, or a couple pouches of tuna (easy to open and last about 2 years) may be just your ticket.  Or maybe a couple flashlights from the dollar store with batteries... 
     As others have mentioned, what you need/barter with will depend on your situation at the time.  You don't have to buy a bunch of stuff you would never, ever use.  Just pick up a few extras of your family favorites.  While you can't prepare for every situation, having a good variety of basics will give you some bargaining ability. 
    By the way, white vinegar is also great for dandruff.  Use it as a rinse after shampooing.  No need to rinse it out because the smell quickly dissipates
     "We do not know the true value of moments until they have undergone the test of memory."   unknown author
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Many great ideas! Thanks to all. I can a lot and have found the canning jars for .25 each at a local thrift store. There were cases that did not appear to have ever been used. I can clean any jar and this has enabled me to get all I need. The replacement lids run about $1.29 here and the rings are used over and over.
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A bottle of Dr. Bonner's liquid soap is not only biodegradeable but you can use it for just about anything for cleaning including hair, floors, skin, toilets, whatever. Maysday - Vinegar is a great cleaner - I always use it on my wood floors.
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Wrong - you can make a fortune in stocks. Sell short!!!
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Comfort foods for children are important. In Jan. when I heard the newest evidence that (sialic acid) found in Elderberry killed 99% of flu virus (on canine cells) of 8 types including BF I search other place's it might be found. I have worked to incorporate some of these items into whatever plan I have. Here are some links I found useful that I saved in my notes.
N-acetylneuraminic acid (sialic acid) content in common foods.Check here
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/2131556100/DC2
Mothers milk is the highest
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9389234&dopt=Abstract

Goat milk should be very high in
sialic acid. I bought Evaporated Goat Milk at a local Wal-Mart to use to make instant puddings (I have collected a box of all flavors). Here is a very important point I learned somewhere- I don't know where now. I need rest right now.  But all traces of the natural sugars are passed through the body in 8 hours or less. So this could be a comforting food but I would wish them to eat pudding before leaving the house to have an ounce of protection. Goat milk is expensive but it's very good for you. I tested the pudding and could tell no difference between it and using regular evaporated milk. I am pleased I came up with the idea but need more.
I wish I could afford Goat Cheese- (I believe it's 43%
sialic acid to cow cheese 4%) could even make it if I could find a supplier of fresh milk. If I were in a Pandemic tomorrow I would just stay home and make rice treats for the grands and attempt  to  preserve  them in some manner.
Most of my grandchildren are not allowed to have candy so I don't know about that.

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I made herbal soaps for heath food stores and gift shops for a good while. I just got so busy I couldn't do that any more (little profit) but I have more than enough soap to last me the rest of my life!
So maybe I'll trade some soap if need be.
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