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China wants Australia,

thats my gut instinct

Vast open country with unlimited mineral reserves

large high yeild uranium deposits,

why do you think they are building "stepping stones" through the south china sea?????


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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

China wants Australia,

thats my gut instinct

Vast open country with unlimited mineral reserves

large high yeild uranium deposits,

why do you think they are building "stepping stones" through the south china sea?????



Damn good point!  And, you Aussies are fairly weak in a military sense...no nukes available.  

I'd like to think that these powers (Russia, China, Iran) are bullies who will try to subvert other countries into doing their bidding....

However, history also supports the view that they are imperialistic and wish to actually occupy the territory.  China is not nearly as big of a problem in this regard as Russia has been, historically speaking. 

Anything can happen.  

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CRS,DrPH, why would someone go for a military-way when a non-military way gives better results for less investments ? 

In the Ukraine the Kiev "group¨ was payed by the west as long as they would bring the Ukraine closer to EU/NATO, They failed to do a proper job, turned Ukraine in a economic disaster (Poland is still giving some support-Ukraine and Poland share a "problematic past" with Russia).  When Germany, France stop "investing" in the Ukraine, the US stops paying the military bill "new negotiations" may become more fruitfull. 

Ukraine can try to do business with Turkey on the southern/Black Sea border but in many ways it simply can not escape from doing deals with Russia. 

China has a population problem. China has been exporting "workers" all over the world for over a decade. In several African countries there are Chinese communities. Oil, minerals, mining, but also building infra-structure is a Chinese export product (including Chinese workers). 

When you can buy Australian mines, food production, ports, put Chinese management in place, give building projects to Chinese companies (with Chinese workers) why would you choose to go for a military way ? Buying what you want is the short cut, destroying it and rebuilding it afterwards "is not good for business"! There is a whole world for sale, lets not destroy that ! (Proberbly the way China looks at the world-they are already in charge, only we did not see that.) 
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"ITS BETTER TO TAKE THE STATE INTACT , than to resort to war ",

quote from SunTzu "THE ART OF WAR"

circa 6th century BCE

But when other things dictate a faster tranistion I.E

CLIMATE CHANGE,"a civilization change ",acording to the Chinese government.....

who knows???

just have to wait and see,

sit back and have another beer....lol
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This is Directly From Steve Bannon's Breitbart, This is Really Happening, We Can't Kid Ourselves

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016...-Kid-Ourselves

"Steve Bannon is part of the Alt-Right. He admittedly has made Breitbart News “the platform for Alt-Right” views. “’We're the platform for the alt-right,’ Bannon told me [reporter David Corn] proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July.” “Bannon is our man in the White House” said Andrew Anglin from the Neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer. "

and Bannon is one of Trump's TOP advisers



if your not familar with the term "alt-right"
you may want to do a little research

the next 4 years could be pretty awful

READ before you accept the obscene and unthinkable as normal.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/20/1602264/-READ-before-you-accept-the-obscene-and-unthinkable-as-normal

"Trump’s vision for the United States is echoed in that of his chief strategist, Steve Bannon, a man who even the very right-wing Glenn Beck describes as a dangerous, sociopathic racist. In 2016, a reporter from the Daily Beast recalled this conversation with Bannon:

“I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed. Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

"ITS BETTER TO TAKE THE STATE INTACT , than to resort to war ",

quote from SunTzu "THE ART OF WAR"

circa 6th century BCE

But when other things dictate a faster tranistion I.E

CLIMATE CHANGE,"a civilization change ",acording to the Chinese government.....

who knows???

just have to wait and see,

sit back and have another beer....lol

LOL!!  No kidding!  

China has been building up its military, particularly advanced aviation and naval forces (they are starting carrier operations).  This is why US allies like Japan, Philippines etc. are so wigged out. 

Viet Nam wants the US to come back to Cam Ran Bay, which is interesting.  

I'm not sure about Russia, but I could see China making a sudden push to invade Taiwan.  They've wanted to do that for a while, and the Trump transition might offer a historic opportunity. 

Trump is wrapping himself with former US military advisors who also have some sympathies for Russia, so it could be interesting.   Former Gov. Mitt Romney has been an outspoken critic of Russian engagement, and yet he went on bended knee to interview for Sec. State, so I don't know what is in his mind (except pure opportunism). 

May we live in interesting times....
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Sadly, throughout history, four American presidents have been assassinated and various other unsuccessful attempts were made on the lives of a number of others.

Can you envy the Secret Service agents, on hearing gunshot near the soon-to-be President Trump, having to yell "Donald, duck..."
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Absolutely Quackers!!!  LOL
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This is so that AFT members in Europe, OZ etc. know what is going on around here....

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All joking aside, that is both terrifying and deeply sad.  I had thought the mistakes Germany and her people made in the thirties, and for which they collectively felt a crushingly deep sorrow and guilt, had educated the whole world about the evils of such things.  I believed the few neo-nazis to be a tiny group of power-less/hungry nutcases.

Now, it transpires, I was not just wrong, but spectacularly so.  It appears that 50% of the greatest, freest, most egalitarian union on the face of the planet has joined them before the wounds from one small nation have healed.

Not only are those who do not learn the lessons of history forced to repeat them, but they can drag the whole class along with them.  'AND ONCE WAS MORE THAN ENOUGH!!!

I could say I am sickened, or saddened, or angry, or scared, but none of those adjectives seem strong enough.  I am speechless.
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Every day there are fewer and fewer people left to bare witness to the atrocities of the Nazi death camps! Every day it is easier to deny it ever happened! I had relatives with the 4th armored division of the 3rd army when it liberated Buchenwald. We should never let it happen again much less be a part of it!
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

All joking aside, that is both terrifying and deeply sad.  I had thought the mistakes Germany and her people made in the thirties, and for which they collectively felt a crushingly deep sorrow and guilt, had educated the whole world about the evils of such things.  I believed the few neo-nazis to be a tiny group of power-less/hungry nutcases.

Now, it transpires, I was not just wrong, but spectacularly so.  It appears that 50% of the greatest, freest, most egalitarian union on the face of the planet has joined them before the wounds from one small nation have healed.

Not only are those who do not learn the lessons of history forced to repeat them, but they can drag the whole class along with them.  'AND ONCE WAS MORE THAN ENOUGH!!!

I could say I am sickened, or saddened, or angry, or scared, but none of those adjectives seem strong enough.  I am speechless.

Thank you for your perspective from the UK!  Here's yet another one, this one with some very bizarre photos & tweets if you follow the links:


Like you, I thought this was a fringe of older, angry white men....the youth of this movement is most startling.  
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the final vote count is not yet in
but as of now
Clinton is ahead by 1.7 MILLION votes

one thing is clear
"the people" did NOT elect Trump
the electoral college did
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Philosopher predicted rise of Trump-like figure in ’98 book

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philosopher-predicted-rise-of-trump-like-figure-in-98-book-215658929.html

"In the relevant passage, Rorty goes on to suggest that after his “imagined strongman” comes to power he will quickly make peace with the “international super-rich” and invoke memories of past military victories to encourage military adventures for short-term prosperity. But, Rorty continued, the strongman will ultimately be a disaster for the world and people will wonder why there had been so little resistance to his ascent."
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

the final vote count is not yet in
but as of now
Clinton is ahead by 1.7 MILLION votes

one thing is clear
"the people" did NOT elect Trump
the electoral college did


Donald Trump is the 5th president to be elected by the electoral college versus the popular vote. The last president to be elected by electoral collage versus the popular vote was George Bush in 2000 against Al Gore.

There is no use for the electoral college anymore, but I'm still glad that Hillary didn't win.
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As if having Bannon in the White House wasn't bad enough, it looks like an unqualified climate change denier is going to head up - and likely try to dismantle - the EPA Shocked

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/science/myron-ebell-trump-epa.html


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Trump's own staff easily manipulating him

Reince Priebus tried to trick Trump into canceling his New York Times meeting

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/22/1603081/-Reince-Priebus-tried-to-trick-Trump-into-canceling-his-New-York-Times-meeting

the White House is gonna be one big clown car for the next four yearsLOL
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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

CRS,DrPH, why would someone go for a military-way when a non-military way gives better results for less investments ? 

Good question, but my answer is to look at Tibet and Crimea.  If a great power can invade with little prospect of resistance, I think they will.  

Even the US is guilty of this.  Under Reagan, we invaded Grenada in 1983, using the same pretext that Russia did in Crimea ("protecting nationals").  

China tends to be less militaristic, but they have had border clashes with the USSR, India and Viet Nam. 

The only real military target I can see for China is Taiwan, which they consider as a renegade province, not unlike the situation in Crimea.  Taiwan would put up a pretty stiff resistance, and I suspect that they may have a nuke or two stashed away, but it is possible. 

Russia launching an invasion into the Baltic would be pretty drastic, and I could see all sorts of miscalculations on both sides.  

FYI, I was never in favor of offering former Warsaw Pact countries membership in NATO, as I saw it provocative to Russia.  However, they are in, and countries like Poland contributed greatly to the US efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, which invoked Article V.   

Should be interesting! 
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poor Trump supportersCry
he's now refusing to prosecute Hillary like he said he would
and now this bit of backtracking

Donald Trump Now Says Humans Somehow Contribute To Climate Change

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b09b6055ff19a3

what's next

Trump=bait and switch
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

poor Trump supportersCry
he's now refusing to prosecute Hillary like he said he would
and now this bit of backtracking

Donald Trump Now Says Humans Somehow Contribute To Climate Change

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b09b6055ff19a3

what's next

Trump=bait and switch

He's getting a dose of realism....


If he backs us out of the Paris Accord, other nations may well retaliate. 
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