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Aw shucks Embarrassed

Seriously though, we have an amazing group of people here, no matter what the title below our screen name says. We might not always agree, but I'd like to think that we all consider ourselves a team nonetheless. And thank you, Techno Thumbs Up


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Thank you, Albert, Jacksdad, Technophobe, and everyone else who contributes to this excellent site! 

Even you, Crabby!  LOL
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as I've said
technology is going to wash over society like a tidal wave

New York Post calls Amazon's new supermarket experiment 'the end of jobs'

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/amazons-supermarket-experiment-slammed-end-131840212.html

"Following the announcement, reports by Quartz and The Wall Street Journal declared the experimental store might signal the end of "millions of cashier jobs."


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Back at ya, Chuck. I've said it before, but your expertise and insight are much appreciated here.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Originally posted by Crabby Crabby wrote:

Jacksdad,

WOW! I was speaking in general terms about Democrats, but if you took my message personally, then I guess I must have hit my mark.

It is obvious to me that you are incapable of agreeing to disagree, a poor trait for a "chief moderator".



There are qualifications? Sheesh, I didn't know.

Agree to disagree - seriously? What you really want is for me to shut up and stop arguing with you, so you're going to package it up all nice and polite as an inability on my part to empathize with you. And for good measure, you threw the whole "you're a bad, bad chief moderator" thing in there too? Nice try. How's that working out for you?

Register and make yourself accountable and I'll have a lot more respect. Stomping your feet and shouting from the sidelines doesn't cut it.



Here's the difference between you and me. When I say something that you find offensive you go out of your way to attack me or put me down. I make general comments until someone, like you, makes it personal. If you dish it out, then you better be able to take it right back. I won't be bullied or ganged up on by you or the other mods here. If you want accountability, try looking in the mirror first. I'm not saying that you're a narcissist, but I've been trained by the best of them and know how to deal with bullies. You're the one who has consistently sought out my comments to start an argument, NOT the other way around.























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Jacksdad, you're just a typical internet bully who can't stand someone who you disagree with. Then you make it personal by becoming sarcastic and dogging their posts.
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So let me get this straight - in the past few months, you've attacked more groups or individuals because of their race or political leanings than I've been able to keep track of, and you're the one getting personally offended?





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I've simply stated my beliefs, nothing more. I have a right to my opinions without being bullied in the process. It took a lot of courage to be this honest and all I got for that was bullying and censorship rather than an open and honest discussion that I had hoped for.

Bullies try to intimidate their targets by using sarcastic and subtle put downs intended to make the target uneasy without quite knowing why.   If the target tries to call them out, the bullies tell the target things like(to quote you) “Stomping your feet and shouting from the sidelines doesn't cut it.”

Some bullies can be well-respected moderators who assume a leadership role. They use their position to intimidate and assert their morality on people with whom they take offense with. They will try and behave properly, but preach about forum behavior. Their put downs are subtle, sarcastic, and designed to intimidate.

The bottom line is that I have a right to my opinions without being bullied and having my posts dogged by you. For some reason you just won't leave me alone.
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I have been on this site for a couple of years Crabby.  Jacksdad has worked hard for all that time gently and politely calming aggressive people down.  You class as one of those!

You astound me with your descriptions (and thank you for that, I simply would never have thought of them) of internet bullying techniques.  'And yes you do have a right to your opinions.  But, so does Jacksdad, and he seems to be the more polite person in this debate. 

Part of being a moderator on this site is to protect the people who would be deeply offended by some of the things said.  Your posts, though rightly self-promoted as "courageous", are offensive too.  You seem to enjoy picking fights, insulting minorities and upsetting our generally nice members.  You can call me sad for it if you like, but I consider the members here as friends.  I will not be told that I or Jacksdad cannot defend them. (Not all our members are white after all.  My husband is mixed race.)  But don't call Jacksdad a troll.  Especially not as your behavior is so much worse!
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Techno, why don't you mind your own business and butt out of this discussion. I don't think that Jacksdad needs your help. You are the one who is trying to pick a fight with me, not the other way around. This technique of "piling on" is one form of bullying, so go away.
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Techno's a senior moderator. Guests don't get to tell her what to do. Forum etiquette 101 - get used to it.
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You guys are all a bunch of bullies. You gang up on people whom you disagree with or simply don't like. This is a pattern on this forum.

The two of you have proven yourselves to be Trump haters and have disagreed with my posts to the contrary and have disliked other posts of mine. However, you need to realize that your intimidation tactics of attacking my posts and ganging up on me is bullying and not tactics that moderators should be doing. I will continue to point out this behavior of yours until you stop it. I've become an expert in narcissistic bullying behavior. I have not gone out of my way to pick a fight with either of you, so I don't understand why you keep coming after me.
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Crabby said: Bullies try to intimidate their targets by using sarcastic and subtle put downs intended to make the target uneasy without quite knowing why.

Wikipedia: Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others.

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I agree with you, but bullying is far more than that. It can be subtle and sarcastic. Piling on is bullying too. The moderators on this forum like to pile on in order to intimidate. Why does it seem that when I show up they suddenly go to their moderator only meeting room as they did again right after I logged on this morning. I have never struck the first blow with anyone on this forum. I speak in general terms, but I will defend myself with any individual who tries to put me down for my beliefs which I have every right to hold. If someone takes issue with my beliefs, then they can attack the belief, but not me personally through the use of sarcasm, put downs, and piling on by their "late hits".
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Of course Jacksdad can fight his own battles.  He was doing so for years before I joined the site.  But, I will have my say anyway.  You have every right to your beliefs Crabby.  I have every right to defend my friends (even those who don't need it) from trolls, bullies, racists and any other nasties I see attack them.  

That is what I saw.
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Maggie (Technophobe),

I don't know why you feel compelled to defend Jacksdad when I never attacked him. In fact I've never come out and attacked anyone here until they attack me first. All I've ever done was to defend myself so get your facts straight. The problem has always been the fact that he doesn't agree with some of my posts and then he makes the first move on me, not the other way around and that's a fact. I also have never made a preemptive strike against you either. You can disagree with what I have to say, but don't make it personal as you've just done above. That is bullying and so is ganging up on someone.
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Trump's Carrier Swindle Is Setting a Scary Tone for the Future of Business in America


https://www.yahoo.com/style/trumps-carrier-swindle-setting-scary-170000444.html

In exchange, Carrier got a nice package of 7 million dollars to ease the pain of keeping production in the U.S., and it got the very sweet incentive of retaining the federal contracts Trump attempted to dangle over the company's head. Senator Bernie Sanders had actually joined those commenting that such contracts shouldn't be awarded to U.S. companies that move jobs to Mexico.

Carrier's CEO knows that when 10 percent of your income is courtesy federal contracts, you can't afford to bite the hands that feed you. He also knows that production in the U.S. is more expensive, which is why he jacked up prices by about 5 percent as soon as the deal was sealed. 

In summation: Carrier threatened to move jobs to Mexico, "negotiated" for a deal that included millions of taxpayer jobs, moved a ton of jobs to Mexico anyway, retained juicy federal contracts, and managed to increase its prices."

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Republican whoopsie LOL

Democrats Trap Trump And Turn The Tables On Republicans With Buy American Amendment

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/06/democrats-trap-trump-turn-tables-republicans-buy-american-amendment.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=im



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I just hope that those government contractors can find ALL the items they need here at home. That might become an issue later on. I think what they should say in this bill is to require these contractors to "buy American" whenever possible.

I'm a republican, pretty far right actually, and I would support buy American on everything if it were possible.

It would appear that the tide is turning back to "buy American" and that is a good thing, but I believe this is political theatrics since the Democrats could have imposed this when they were in charge. At this point I don't care which party is requiring it.
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maybe the Dems can pass a bill requiring Trump to use American steel in his buildings
and not the Chinese steel he admitted to using LOL

I just ordered a copy of Trump's new book
The Art of the Con
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draining the swamp ?
LMAO !!!

Report: Bob Dole organized the Taiwan call, Dole's firm is paid $20K per month to lobby for Taiwan

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/6/1607956/-Report-Bob-Dole-organized-the-Taiwan-call-Dole-s-firm-is-paid-20K-per-month-to-lobby-for-Taiwan


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Crabby; Here's what I can tell you, You are not the only Trump supporter on this site. There are many, many other members of AFT who not only supported Mr. Trump but voted for him. I don't agree with many of Trumps ideas! I'm a western democrat so I believe in gun rights and property rights but think you should leave my mom's SS alone. I normally don't talk politics here because it's a fool's errand. No one ever changes someone else's opinion on line. The only reason we're talking politics at all is because there's nothing happening in the world of infectious disease! Everyone is welcome here and we all welcome your opinions but please get out of attack mode. We're here to help each other and if your here to improve your chances to survive then welcome but if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away! Hope you stick around!
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Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:

Crabby; I'm a western democrat so I believe in gun rights and property rights but think you should leave my mom's SS alone. I normally don't talk politics here because it's a fool's errand. No one ever changes someone else's opinion on line. The only reason we're talking politics at all is because there's nothing happening in the world of infectious disease! Everyone is welcome here and we all welcome your opinions but please get out of attack mode. We're here to help each other and if your here to improve your chances to survive then welcome but if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away! Hope you stick around!


WOW! You're doing exactly what you have accused me of doing by telling to "please go away", "Hope you stick around". Well, which is it? How exactly have I attacked YOU on this forum? It seems pretty clear that you're trying to pick a fight with me and you just might get one if you keep this up.

You are attacking me with your assumptions and rudeness. Please tell me what you THINK my agenda is because I don't have an agenda. This seems more like piling on again when my conversation was with Jacksdad, not you. (Piling on is bullying and there was absolutely no reason for you to be rude to me when I've done nothing to you.)

Furthermore, where did you get the idea that I want to change your mother's social security? Really?

I talk in facts about our national debt, which is not speculation and I'm pretty sure that it was in a different thread than this one. A full 60% of our entire federal budget is taken up by social spending programs, primarily Medicare, Medicaid, Part D, and Social Security. I would love nothing more than to get my own social security, but here's the problem. Our government is broke. Congress has already had discussions about cutting social security benefits, so you are complaining to the wrong person. There are changes coming to social security in 2017 and there will be many more down the road. You will have to work longer than your mother did in order to collect and your chances of getting what you think you're going to get are diminishing daily.

If we have a financial collapse, then none of us will get a dime from the government for any social program so you might as well plan for that too because it is coming and nobody knows when.

Go here and click on the Total Spending button in the middle.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/

Also, take a look at the "Unfunded Liabilities" at the bottom of the page and compare this to the "Tax Revenue" at the top of the page and explain to me why you think that I'm trying to mess with your mom's social security? Just look at the numbers and figure this out yourself because my patience is getting really thin. By the way, my dear, I've been here way longer than you and I'm pretty sure that I'm old enough to be your parent.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html




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To learn more about our national debt you might want to take a look at this article.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-10/

One book that I recommend is "The Crash Course" by Chris Martenson, PhD.
It deals with the unsustainable nature of our economy, energy, and the environment. He describes in some detail "exponential growth".

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JD- I'm done! If you want to address this narcissist go for it! I don't have time for it! I tried to make him feel welcome here to no avail but don't have your patience! It's why you are a Mod and I'am not! He would have been gone long ago if up to me! Thanks for all you Mods do to try to keep it civil!

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Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:

Everyone is welcome here and we all welcome your opinions but please get out of attack mode. We're here to help each other and if your here to improve your chances to survive then welcome but if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away! Hope you stick around!



First came the TWO slaps; "please get out of attack mode.", AND "if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away!"
Then came the pat on the head; "Hope you stick around!"

Which is it and why were you piling on to something that you weren't involved with in the first place?

And the piling on continues, which is exactly what I've asked Jacksdad to stop doing, but he's been poking me for awhile now and it seems that everybody loves to join in the fun at my expense because you're all so superior and all.
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Arirish was trying to keep the peace, Crabby.  If that is a foreign concept then follow the first instruction

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No she wasn't and it's that simple. If you read the first instruction, then it should have been obvious to you. She pissed on my leg twice and smiled in my face afterwards. Then she called me a narcissist. I never did anything to her to cause this, but I will stand up for myself and fight back when I have to.

Why are you getting into this anyway? What have I done to you?

People here should simply fight their own fights and this wouldn't drag on like it has, but it has devolved into group bullying when I had nothing against any of you.

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Amazon's "The Man In The High Castle", A Cautionary Tale Of Normalization

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/7/1608489/-Amazon-s-The-Man-In-The-High-Castle-A-Cautionary-Tale-Of-Normalization

"Dick’s key point is far more important today than ever. The author argued through his text that there is an inbuilt need in humanity to believe the status quo is normal, to turn over decisions to others as a way to remove ourselves from responsibility to change it. Dick’s theory is played out in graphic form through Man in the High Castle, but expressed repeatedly throughout our own history.

The acceptance of horrible things that seem out of our control has long been a trademark of what it means to be human. Only a select few who see those issues of inhumanity who stand up repeatedly. At a certain point, many simply say “OK, well, I guess this is how it is”.
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Originally posted by Crabby Crabby wrote:

Jacksdad, you're just a typical internet bully who can't stand someone who you disagree with. Then you make it personal by becoming sarcastic and dogging their posts.

Crabby if there's one thing that Jacksdad isn't, it an internet bully. I've been on this site for years and Jacksdad makes some of the most insightful and articulate comments. His arguments are always balanced and seem to spring from a base of thorough understanding of the facts. He's not a bully. 
Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Trump goes ballistic on Indiana union guy, but dead silent on GOP scrapping 'Buy America' provision

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/8/1608760/-Trump-goes-ballistic-on-Indiana-union-guy-but-dead-silent-on-GOP-scrapping-Buy-America-provision

hmm
when it comes to "buy American" Trump is strangely silentConfused
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Kiwi,

So, now you're weighing in on this too? I have no issue with you, so why are you getting into this?

Here is what started this, so read carefully.
I said this to Jacksdad, ", “It is obvious to me that you are incapable of agreeing to disagree, a poor trait for a "chief moderator"."

Here's how Jacksdad interpreted my statement above and then replied with this exaggerated misquote of me, “you threw the whole "you're a bad, bad chief moderator" thing in there too?” Nice try"

Here's another of Jacksdad's sarcastic quotes to me, “I'm talking about those days when you wake up with the urge to vent about how unfair the world has been to you, and decide to pay us a visit because your neighbors learned to run from the front door to their cars long ago.”


Here a few quotes from Technophobe who decided to join in the fray later on even though I never had an issue with her.
"(and no, It is not at all personal, you don't want to know my opinion of her)." (This was in regards to my posts of 4.5 months ago and I made no personal attacks against anyone on this forum then either.)
"Jacksdad has worked hard for all that time gently and politely calming aggressive people down. You class as one of those!"
"You have every right to your beliefs Crabby. I have every right to defend my friends (even those who don't need it) from trolls, bullies, racists and any other nasties I see attack them.
That is what I saw."
"Woof woof. Snarl!!!"
"You are correct that I dislike you"

The Arirish joined in with the following.
"Everyone is welcome here and we all welcome your opinions but please get out of attack mode. We're here to help each other and if your here to improve your chances to survive then welcome but if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away! Hope you stick around!"

Here were my thoughts on her comments.
First came the TWO slaps; "please get out of attack mode.", AND "if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away!"
Then came the pat on the head; "Hope you stick around!"

Which was it and why was she piling on to something that she wasn't involved with in the first place? Since when did I ever attack Arirish?


For other people to get into this when I haven't been aggressive towards them in any way is ridiculous and it is nothing other than group bullying.

I've been accused of being aggressive, but I don't strike first.
I've been told that I'm not liked, and insinuated that I'm a troll, a bully, and a racist. I've been told to leave and stay at the same time.

I've been in this forum for a long, long time. What I've seen over the years are moderators who bully people whom they disagree with. It is all to easy for people to pile on to something that they were never a part of in the first place; perhaps because they find it enjoyable?

One observation that I have of this forum is that it has lost a significant number of active members and this forum will continue to lose active members primarily due to sarcastic comments, ridicule, rudeness, not being able to agree to disagree, name calling, and exaggerating things out of proportion.

When people join in an argument that they're not involved with, then I'd have to say that they're the aggressive ones. This has gotten way out of control for absolutely no reason.


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Republican's repeal plan could make 30 million uninsured, more than pre-Obamacare

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/8/1608826/-Republican-s-repeal-plan-could-make-30-million-uninsured-more-than-pre-Obamacare
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:


[URL=http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/8/1608826/-Republican-s-repeal-plan-could-make-30-million-uninsured-more-than-pre-Obamacare" rel="nofollow]Republican's repeal plan could make 30 million uninsured, more than <span style="white-space: nowrap]pre-Obamacare</span>[/URL]

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/8/1608826/-Republican-s-repeal-plan-could-make-30-million-uninsured-more-than-pre-Obamacare



I retired early and my health insurance went from $5,232 a month to over $9,000 in 3 years because I'm paying for some of the layarounds who never had jobs or insurance, and suddenly got sick.

I know what I'm talking about because I have druggies and layarounds in my own family. I and two other people gave my nephew $500 so he could get a hernia surgery because he didn't have health insurance and his surgeon wanted the $1,500 up front. Then I found out that he bought pot that very same day that I gave him money. I really can't feel sorry for everyone all the time, but I have no problem with helping those who help themselves. My nephew is 37 years old, still lives at home, delivers pizza for a living, and cannot improve his career because he won't get off the drugs in order to pass a drug test.

It would seem prudent that we deny Welfare and Medicaid to those who cannot pass a drug test. I would rather our government pay for people to get rid of their addictions instead and help them find jobs first. However, the chances of that happening as states all across the country legalize pot are probably zero.

My nephew has told me that he loves his job because he gets to smoke dope and listen to loud music in his car. Why should I have to pay almost double for my health insurance 3 years later to pay for people like him?
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Crabby
are we going to let people literally die out front of the hospitals?

NOBODY likes paying for lazy pieces of $%&*^%$%^

but thats just the way it is
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Crabby,  Now KiwiMum?  Are you serious?  Even head to head, in a huge discussion, with diametrical opposing views to my own, she remained delightfully polite and friendly - a true lady.

I agree on one point: this has gotten way out of control.  But, I am absolutely certain you are the driving force behind this particular "train wreck".

So, I refuse to "feed the troll" any longer.

Thank you to everyone for your support!  My abject apologies to anyone else who is insulted from now on, but I must stop banging my head on this brick wall.  
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His lips or pen are moving.
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Techno, I never attacked Kiwi, but in true narcissistic fashion you've managed to twist my explanation into what has gone down into something else. You're an expert at that.

Did you even look at your direct quotes to or about me that I pasted above? Look whose calling the kettle black, my dear. I challenge you to find anything that I said to you that even comes close to what you've said to me, but that's about to change because I've decided to morph into exactly how you've betrayed me.

You're one nasty piece of .... . You are incapable of leaving me alone because you thrive on inserting yourself into the drama. How was it possible that your "Chief Moderator" was incapable of defending himself without you coming to his aid? In fact all I told him was that he was incapable of agreeing to disagree, but he, in true narcissistic fashion, re-wrote my words as "you're a bad, bad chief moderator" in an effort to convince everyone that he was a victim here, when those weren't my words at all. Maybe he stared in the mirror too long that morning and was self-conscious. I don't know and I don't care.

Techno, I sincerely hope that one day you will crawl or slither your way back underneath whatever rock or hole that you came out of and stay there. Things will be so peaceful, but you're incapable of leaving me alone because you thrive on the drama, so drama is what you'll get.

One thing I've learned is that it doesn't pay to be nice and I've acted with great restraint with you, but the gloves are coming off. Whatever you throw at me I'm going to mirror right back at you. If you call me a name, then I'll call you one right back. If you use colorful adjectives to describe me, then you can expect similar adjectives back. If you want to be sarcastic with me, then I'll teach you exactly what sarcasm is and I guarantee you that you won't like it. I'm older and wiser and have a full bag of tricks, so enjoy the new me. Your wish has been granted, my dear.

As for the rest of you, mind your own business or I'll mirror your behavior right back at you too. I have no animosity towards anyone else here, so don't insert yourself where you don't need to be. They don't need you to come to their rescue, that's for sure.

I've been here a long time and I've seen mods tag team each other and gang up on people before. I can handle it because I've been trained by the best of the best, which is exactly why I have no patience for this.

So, go ahead Techno, I challenge you to leave me alone once and for all!
Can you FINALLY do it this time? Really? I look forward to your silence once and for all.
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Crabby, this is a public forum and anyone can comment on any discussion, and anyone can join in at any point. Your fight with other people is not private as anyone can see it. 

Anyway, I wish you well and a very happy Christmas. Here in NZ it's 29 degrees (a balmy 84 F) of wonderful sunshine, in my house we're playing Christmas music and putting up our Christmas tree and all feeling festive and happy, and no one elses personal sleights or grievances are going to ruin my day. Life's too short to be picking fights. Happy Christmas everyone. xxxxxx
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Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

Crabby, this is a public forum and anyone can comment on any discussion, and anyone can join in at any point. Your fight with other people is not private as anyone can see it. 

Anyway, I wish you well and a very happy Christmas. Here in NZ it's 29 degrees (a balmy 84 F) of wonderful sunshine, in my house we're playing Christmas music and putting up our Christmas tree and all feeling festive and happy, and no one elses personal sleights or grievances are going to ruin my day. Life's too short to be picking fights. Happy Christmas everyone. xxxxxx


Kiwi, I like you and have no issues with you. The fight was already on, so I warn you to comment at your own peril because I fully intend to mirror back. This drama comes from multiple places over a period of time, so please don't risk inserting yourself in the middle of what you do not fully understand. Have a Merry Christmas.
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Don't threaten me Crabby. 

What a very unpleasant and bitter person you must be. In your eyes obviously the whole world is against you - and is it any wonder why? No one likes a misery. 

Anyway, I have no intention of debating anything with a person who is unable to discuss things rationally, and I, like Technophobe, will simply ignore you from now on. You reap what you sow. I feel very sorry for you and I still wish you well. 
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Kiwi, Ignore me please and with any luck, Techno will do the same.
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Everyone: Please quit feeding the troll!
Buy more ammo!
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This says it best:

Love the quote from Plato.
Conundrum


Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free. (Think
this one over and over…makes sense!)   
            The definition of the word Conundrum is something
that is puzzling or confusing.


Here are six Conundrums of socialism in the United States of America :   
1. America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is
subsidized.   


2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are
victims.   


3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the
government.   


4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting
poorer.   


5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other
countries only dream about.   


6.   They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want
America to be more like those other countries.   


Think about it! And that, my friends, pretty much sums up the USA in the 21st
Century. Makes you wonder who is doing the math.   


These three, short sentences tell you a lot about the direction of our current
government and cultural environment:   


1.   We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we
are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few
lunatics.   


Funny how that works. And here's another one worth
considering…   


2. Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of
money.
But we never hear about welfare or food stamps running out of
money !
What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second
didn't.   


Think about it.....and Last but not least :   


3.   Why are we cutting benefits for our veterans, no pay raises for our military and
cutting our army to a level lower than before eèWWII, but we are not stopping the payments or benefits to illegal
aliens.


Am I the only one missing something
"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are
doomed to live under the rule of fools." –
Plato
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For those following the drama, in my opinion Crabby just crossed a line attacking Technophobe in the manner she did. There will be consequences, and although it's difficult to restrict access to members in the guest group, we do have options. It's not something we like to do on AFT, but I take full responsibility. Behavior of that nature toward anyone, moderator or otherwise, should not be tolerated. Everyone has shown remarkable restraint all things considered, and I apologize that it's been so contentious on AFT of late.


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