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Techno, why don't you mind your own business and butt out of this discussion. I don't think that Jacksdad needs your help. You are the one who is trying to pick a fight with me, not the other way around. This technique of "piling on" is one form of bullying, so go away.
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Techno's a senior moderator. Guests don't get to tell her what to do. Forum etiquette 101 - get used to it.
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You guys are all a bunch of bullies. You gang up on people whom you disagree with or simply don't like. This is a pattern on this forum.

The two of you have proven yourselves to be Trump haters and have disagreed with my posts to the contrary and have disliked other posts of mine. However, you need to realize that your intimidation tactics of attacking my posts and ganging up on me is bullying and not tactics that moderators should be doing. I will continue to point out this behavior of yours until you stop it. I've become an expert in narcissistic bullying behavior. I have not gone out of my way to pick a fight with either of you, so I don't understand why you keep coming after me.
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Crabby said: Bullies try to intimidate their targets by using sarcastic and subtle put downs intended to make the target uneasy without quite knowing why.

Wikipedia: Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others.

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I agree with you, but bullying is far more than that. It can be subtle and sarcastic. Piling on is bullying too. The moderators on this forum like to pile on in order to intimidate. Why does it seem that when I show up they suddenly go to their moderator only meeting room as they did again right after I logged on this morning. I have never struck the first blow with anyone on this forum. I speak in general terms, but I will defend myself with any individual who tries to put me down for my beliefs which I have every right to hold. If someone takes issue with my beliefs, then they can attack the belief, but not me personally through the use of sarcasm, put downs, and piling on by their "late hits".
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Of course Jacksdad can fight his own battles.  He was doing so for years before I joined the site.  But, I will have my say anyway.  You have every right to your beliefs Crabby.  I have every right to defend my friends (even those who don't need it) from trolls, bullies, racists and any other nasties I see attack them.  

That is what I saw.
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Maggie (Technophobe),

I don't know why you feel compelled to defend Jacksdad when I never attacked him. In fact I've never come out and attacked anyone here until they attack me first. All I've ever done was to defend myself so get your facts straight. The problem has always been the fact that he doesn't agree with some of my posts and then he makes the first move on me, not the other way around and that's a fact. I also have never made a preemptive strike against you either. You can disagree with what I have to say, but don't make it personal as you've just done above. That is bullying and so is ganging up on someone.
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Trump's Carrier Swindle Is Setting a Scary Tone for the Future of Business in America


https://www.yahoo.com/style/trumps-carrier-swindle-setting-scary-170000444.html

In exchange, Carrier got a nice package of 7 million dollars to ease the pain of keeping production in the U.S., and it got the very sweet incentive of retaining the federal contracts Trump attempted to dangle over the company's head. Senator Bernie Sanders had actually joined those commenting that such contracts shouldn't be awarded to U.S. companies that move jobs to Mexico.

Carrier's CEO knows that when 10 percent of your income is courtesy federal contracts, you can't afford to bite the hands that feed you. He also knows that production in the U.S. is more expensive, which is why he jacked up prices by about 5 percent as soon as the deal was sealed. 

In summation: Carrier threatened to move jobs to Mexico, "negotiated" for a deal that included millions of taxpayer jobs, moved a ton of jobs to Mexico anyway, retained juicy federal contracts, and managed to increase its prices."

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Republican whoopsie LOL

Democrats Trap Trump And Turn The Tables On Republicans With Buy American Amendment

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/06/democrats-trap-trump-turn-tables-republicans-buy-american-amendment.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=im



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I just hope that those government contractors can find ALL the items they need here at home. That might become an issue later on. I think what they should say in this bill is to require these contractors to "buy American" whenever possible.

I'm a republican, pretty far right actually, and I would support buy American on everything if it were possible.

It would appear that the tide is turning back to "buy American" and that is a good thing, but I believe this is political theatrics since the Democrats could have imposed this when they were in charge. At this point I don't care which party is requiring it.
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maybe the Dems can pass a bill requiring Trump to use American steel in his buildings
and not the Chinese steel he admitted to using LOL

I just ordered a copy of Trump's new book
The Art of the Con
can't wait to read itBig smile
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draining the swamp ?
LMAO !!!

Report: Bob Dole organized the Taiwan call, Dole's firm is paid $20K per month to lobby for Taiwan

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/6/1607956/-Report-Bob-Dole-organized-the-Taiwan-call-Dole-s-firm-is-paid-20K-per-month-to-lobby-for-Taiwan


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Crabby; Here's what I can tell you, You are not the only Trump supporter on this site. There are many, many other members of AFT who not only supported Mr. Trump but voted for him. I don't agree with many of Trumps ideas! I'm a western democrat so I believe in gun rights and property rights but think you should leave my mom's SS alone. I normally don't talk politics here because it's a fool's errand. No one ever changes someone else's opinion on line. The only reason we're talking politics at all is because there's nothing happening in the world of infectious disease! Everyone is welcome here and we all welcome your opinions but please get out of attack mode. We're here to help each other and if your here to improve your chances to survive then welcome but if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away! Hope you stick around!
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Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:

Crabby; I'm a western democrat so I believe in gun rights and property rights but think you should leave my mom's SS alone. I normally don't talk politics here because it's a fool's errand. No one ever changes someone else's opinion on line. The only reason we're talking politics at all is because there's nothing happening in the world of infectious disease! Everyone is welcome here and we all welcome your opinions but please get out of attack mode. We're here to help each other and if your here to improve your chances to survive then welcome but if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away! Hope you stick around!


WOW! You're doing exactly what you have accused me of doing by telling to "please go away", "Hope you stick around". Well, which is it? How exactly have I attacked YOU on this forum? It seems pretty clear that you're trying to pick a fight with me and you just might get one if you keep this up.

You are attacking me with your assumptions and rudeness. Please tell me what you THINK my agenda is because I don't have an agenda. This seems more like piling on again when my conversation was with Jacksdad, not you. (Piling on is bullying and there was absolutely no reason for you to be rude to me when I've done nothing to you.)

Furthermore, where did you get the idea that I want to change your mother's social security? Really?

I talk in facts about our national debt, which is not speculation and I'm pretty sure that it was in a different thread than this one. A full 60% of our entire federal budget is taken up by social spending programs, primarily Medicare, Medicaid, Part D, and Social Security. I would love nothing more than to get my own social security, but here's the problem. Our government is broke. Congress has already had discussions about cutting social security benefits, so you are complaining to the wrong person. There are changes coming to social security in 2017 and there will be many more down the road. You will have to work longer than your mother did in order to collect and your chances of getting what you think you're going to get are diminishing daily.

If we have a financial collapse, then none of us will get a dime from the government for any social program so you might as well plan for that too because it is coming and nobody knows when.

Go here and click on the Total Spending button in the middle.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/

Also, take a look at the "Unfunded Liabilities" at the bottom of the page and compare this to the "Tax Revenue" at the top of the page and explain to me why you think that I'm trying to mess with your mom's social security? Just look at the numbers and figure this out yourself because my patience is getting really thin. By the way, my dear, I've been here way longer than you and I'm pretty sure that I'm old enough to be your parent.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html




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To learn more about our national debt you might want to take a look at this article.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-10/

One book that I recommend is "The Crash Course" by Chris Martenson, PhD.
It deals with the unsustainable nature of our economy, energy, and the environment. He describes in some detail "exponential growth".

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JD- I'm done! If you want to address this narcissist go for it! I don't have time for it! I tried to make him feel welcome here to no avail but don't have your patience! It's why you are a Mod and I'am not! He would have been gone long ago if up to me! Thanks for all you Mods do to try to keep it civil!

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Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:

Everyone is welcome here and we all welcome your opinions but please get out of attack mode. We're here to help each other and if your here to improve your chances to survive then welcome but if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away! Hope you stick around!



First came the TWO slaps; "please get out of attack mode.", AND "if your just here to promote some agenda then please go away!"
Then came the pat on the head; "Hope you stick around!"

Which is it and why were you piling on to something that you weren't involved with in the first place?

And the piling on continues, which is exactly what I've asked Jacksdad to stop doing, but he's been poking me for awhile now and it seems that everybody loves to join in the fun at my expense because you're all so superior and all.
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Arirish was trying to keep the peace, Crabby.  If that is a foreign concept then follow the first instruction

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No she wasn't and it's that simple. If you read the first instruction, then it should have been obvious to you. She pissed on my leg twice and smiled in my face afterwards. Then she called me a narcissist. I never did anything to her to cause this, but I will stand up for myself and fight back when I have to.

Why are you getting into this anyway? What have I done to you?

People here should simply fight their own fights and this wouldn't drag on like it has, but it has devolved into group bullying when I had nothing against any of you.

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Amazon's "The Man In The High Castle", A Cautionary Tale Of Normalization

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/7/1608489/-Amazon-s-The-Man-In-The-High-Castle-A-Cautionary-Tale-Of-Normalization

"Dick’s key point is far more important today than ever. The author argued through his text that there is an inbuilt need in humanity to believe the status quo is normal, to turn over decisions to others as a way to remove ourselves from responsibility to change it. Dick’s theory is played out in graphic form through Man in the High Castle, but expressed repeatedly throughout our own history.

The acceptance of horrible things that seem out of our control has long been a trademark of what it means to be human. Only a select few who see those issues of inhumanity who stand up repeatedly. At a certain point, many simply say “OK, well, I guess this is how it is”.
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