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Originally posted by Diligent Diligent wrote:

In 1950, if my history serves me correctly, it was North Korea who crossed the 38th parallel, and invaded South Korea.

Please correct me if I am wrong on this point.



You are correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_in_North_Korea

1950

  • June 25 - The Beginning of the Korean War
    • At 4am KST (June 24 – 7pm UTC), South Korean army bases near the border with North Korea, at Yeoncheon, came under fire without warning. After 45 minutes of shelling, North Korean troops invaded with six infantry divisions, an armored brigade and three border brigades coming across the 38th parallel. With many of their personnel on weekend leave, the four South Korean divisions in the area were quickly overwhelmed, and the invaders proceeded toward the South Korean capital of Seoul, 40 miles to the south.[3]
    • In response to the North Korean invasion, United Nations Security Council Resolution 82 was voted upon, calling for "an immediate cessation of hostilities" and for "North Korea to withdraw forthwith their armed forces to the 38th parallel". The vote was 9-0, with the USSR absent and Yugoslavia abstaining.[4]
  • June 26 - Brigadier General Yi Hyong Gun, commander of the Second Division of the South Korean Army, decided against making a counter-attack against invading North Korean troops after determining "that the situation was out of control" and ordered a retreat toward Seoul. "His action," it would be noted later, "meant that there were no means to block the advancing North Korean People's Army", but General Yi would receive a promotion afterward.

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In meeting with military, Trump talks of 'calm before the storm'


https://www.yahoo.com/news/meeting-military-trump-talks-calm-storm-010913288.html

"Maybe it's the calm before the storm," he said.

What storm?

"You'll find out," Trump told questioning reporters.


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A Hypothetical Nuclear Attack on Seoul and Tokyo: The Human Cost of War on the Korean Peninsula


http://www.38north.org/2017/10/mzagurek100417/

At various times over the past few weeks, US President Donald Trump and other members of his administration have threatened to use military force to prevent North Korea from conducting additional nuclear or ballistic missile tests. The US carrying out any military option raises a significant risk of military escalation by the North, including the use of nuclear weapons against South Korea and Japan. According to the calculations presented below, if the “unthinkable” happened, nuclear detonations over Seoul and Tokyo with North Korea’s current estimated weapon yields could result in as many as 2.1 million fatalities and 7.7 million injuries.


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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

In meeting with military, Trump talks of 'calm before the storm'


https://www.yahoo.com/news/meeting-military-trump-talks-calm-storm-010913288.html

"Maybe it's the calm before the storm," he said.

What storm?

"You'll find out," Trump told questioning reporters.




You beat me to this one. I was just going to post it. The bottom line is whether or not they flatten Seoul and kill 15 million people we cannot let North Korea continue developing nuclear bombs or missiles.  Bets are still on a non-nuclear strike taking out Kim Jong-un. China is not going to do anything.  It's Poker and eventually there will be a call and the bluff will be ended.

You can be sure the military already has several plans and they will do one of them soon. Time is running out - it is the calm before the storm and Trump is not about to ruin the surprise by telling what he is going to do. 

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Secretary Mattis Gives Tells the Army ‘to Be Ready’ to Deal With North Korea

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/10/09/secretary-mattis-gives-tells-army-ready-deal-north-korea/


generally speaking

before a government starts a war they try their best to get the population behind it

the propaganda flows hot and heavy

be watching for this


Mattis is a level headed guy

one of the few sane members of the Trump administration

will he be a restraining influence ???


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The Trump administration has no plan for dealing with a North Korean electromagnetic pulse weapons attack

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-nkorea-attack-fp-84e5000e-b296-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98-20171016-story.html#


well NO surprise there



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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

The Trump administration has no plan for dealing with a North Korean electromagnetic pulse weapons attack

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-nkorea-attack-fp-84e5000e-b296-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98-20171016-story.html#


well NO surprise there


Thanks, I subscribe to the Chicago Tribune & missed that one!!  

Here's the thing = not every nuclear warhead is optimized to induce an electromagnetic pulse.   In fact, it is still very much of a theoretical, since the nuclear test ban eliminated atmospheric testing.   I don't think NK has the delivery system (missile) nor warhead to pull this off in any except a very regional way (Hawaii)  

Newt said:  Critics of the EMP commission point out that even if terrifying, such an attack from Pyongyang would be unlikely, because the United States would then retaliate with a nuclear attack against North Korea. "It'd be suicide to launch an EMP attack," said Schwellenbach. 

But that level of retaliation isn't realistic to Gingrich. "We'd react with a direct nuclear weapon?" he said. "That's a pretty big escalation."

Well, THAT'S helpful, Newt!!   Even under Obama, the US would retaliate against any first-use of nuclear power against the homeland.   We would not only fry Pyongyang, but China might possible become involved if they decide to escalate.  I think the word would go out to PRC to stay clear, and they would. 


I have served on EMP Task Forces, and the USA would be hammered....take a look at Puerto Rica post-Maria to see what it would be like.  However, the USA is vast, with very different terrain & geography (mountains etc.), and a "one-off" EMP attack by NK is just too incredible to be believable.   


A Carrington Event (solar flare) would be much more likely to cripple us, and I think there would be some resilience, although we haven't hardened our power grid to the extent we should.  

Kim Jung Un is a blow-hard, I would support regime decapitation vs. all out military assault.  I don't think it would be too hard to target that fat f*** at a parade or something using a modern drone or glide bomb.  


Here you go, bombs away!! 



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Just a reminder-maybe in US perspective it is useless to talk to North Korea about its nuclear program. International Russia and China seem to be working (with some EU countries) on a solution. The outcome of these talks will increase further the Russian and Chinese influence in East Asia-wich is a problem for the US. 

https://www.voanews.com/a/north-koreas-war-history-is-mirror-opposite-world-view-96978424/165902.html North Korea claims South Korea and the US started the 1950-53 war. I will try to find how Russia and China (became "communist"in 1949) see that. 

The perspective people have on history seldom reflects the real history-both in "the west"as "global".

Que sera, sera, Whatever will be, will be, The future is not ours to see, Que sera, sera !
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