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The greatest enemy the Western World faces right now is Iran and their financial support, facilitation and promotion of international terrorism.

As I point out to everybody who will listen, the bin Ladin family cut off all financial support for Osama about the time he fled Sudan  (After Clinton made things too tight for the Radical Islamic gang in that country by using our missiles on their "milk formula factories".)  The bulk of organized support for Bin Ladin and the various branches of Radical Islam has come from Iranian oil money for the past 15 years.  That is right, almost all of those bombings world wide were funded in whole or part by Iran. 

We OWE them, BIG TIME!  It is time to settle accounts with those evil sons of bitches.
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Ultra right wing nonsense is good for a laugh.  I smile at some of the stuff that I see on the Radical right boards.  Nobody in his right mind would ever take that sheeet seriously.

I knew Iran was our sworn enemy (They certainly have issued enough Fatwah's against us to qualify) when we had to try to free the Iranian Embassy hostages in 1980.  A bunch of fine young men that I knew died in that effort.  We knew what we were dealing with in Radical Islam as our enemy.  We knew that they had openly promised to kill every Christian and Jew in the world.  It is part of their prophecy that they have to kill us, totally, completely and without mercy.  When you have a religion and a radical religious government so crazy as to set off bombs to kill school children who were not Radical Islamic, you know that it  is  either them or us. You do not compromise as they see it as a sign of weakness and to them it means your false god is weaker than their Moon God.
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What Really Happed to the Shah of Iran
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Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:

The greatest enemy the Western World faces right now is Iran and their financial support, facilitation and promotion of international terrorism.

As I point out to everybody who will listen, the bin Ladin family cut off all financial support for Osama about the time he fled Sudan  (After Clinton made things too tight for the Radical Islamic gang in that country by using our missiles on their "milk formula factories".)  The bulk of organized support for Bin Ladin and the various branches of Radical Islam has come from Iranian oil money for the past 15 years.  That is right, almost all of those bombings world wide were funded in whole or part by Iran. 

We OWE them, BIG TIME!  It is time to settle accounts with those evil sons of bitches.


Sarcasm again? This post isn't very Liberal. (You're sounding like a certain Dick Cheney here)

I'd love to see some actual proof of what you're saying here, not that I don't agree with the fact that Iran is led by some genuine lunatics who are in desperate need of good dirtnaps.

I'd just like to see some proof. A link will do. I was of the notion that Iran and Al Qaeda weren't on speaking terms.
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Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:

Ultra right wing nonsense is good for a laugh.  I smile at some of the stuff that I see on the Radical right boards.  Nobody in his right mind would ever take that sheeet seriously.


And this diatribe *DOESN'T* sound like "Ultra right wing nonsense?"

I must have missed something somewhere...

That said, both of the fringes are good for a belly laugh. I enjoy trolling Democraticunderground.com just as much as I do ARFcom. Democratic Underground was so much fun I've gotten laid quite a few times from that disaster of a site alone. The weirder the crap I posit there, the more I'm celebrated! Went to a DU meeting here in Minneapolis about a year or so ago and let me tell you, man to man, it was like hunting at the petting zoo. I even used the disillusioned military member fresh from a deployment bit on them! This one girl felt she had to comfort me in my time of need. I just kept talking about the Military Industrial Complex, George Bush and the Koch Brothers sending my friends to die in unnecessary wars, and it worked so well I figured I was doing something illegal or at least immoral! I might call her up tomorrow or the next day. I might even let her in that I'm actually a Libertarian! God that'll be a hoot!

Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:


I knew Iran was our sworn enemy (They certainly have issued enough Fatwah's against us to qualify) when we had to try to free the Iranian Embassy hostages in 1980.  A bunch of fine young men that I knew died in that effort.


I agree, they tell us and the world pretty regularly that they'd like to kill us. I did have a good laugh at someone that said that Ahmahdinejad (Or however he's spelling his name today) was simply misunderstood and he doesn't really mean all those nasty things he says...

Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:

We knew what we were dealing with in Radical Islam as our enemy. We knew that they had openly promised to kill every Christian and Jew in the world.


Well yeah. But that's not just the Iranians saying that drivel, and it's obviously not *ALL* Muslims that believe that. The Koran is pretty specific about what to do with people of other faiths though. It's no different than the Bible really if taken literally.

Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:


When you have a religion and a radical religious government so crazy as to set off bombs to kill school children who were not Radical Islamic, you know that it  is  either them or us. You do not compromise as they see it as a sign of weakness and to them it means your false god is weaker than their Moon God.


You forgot Planes, hotels, Russian schools, discos, restaurants, bus stops, recruitment centers, etc. I can't wait for Hezbollah to get their hands on some fissile material from Iran.

I find it funny that out of one side of your mouth/fingers you howl that you're a Left leaning Liberal, but then write something like this above. Makes me think you're trolling...
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You forgot Planes, hotels, Russian schools, discos, restaurants, bus stops, recruitment centers, etc. I can't wait for Hezbollah to get their hands on some fissile material from Iran.

I find it funny that out of one side of your mouth/fingers you howl that you're a Left leaning Liberal, but then write something like this above. Makes me think you're trolling...


Actually, Turbo, I have posted that I am an old fashioned Christian and am quite conservative. I have never posted that I was a "Left leaning Liberal."

I have never forgotten the Planes, hotels, Russian schools........  I have been all over that for years. I am an historian and have written to that issue on many occasions. Most Americans do not understand what is going on.

I have never once said that Radical Islam and mainstream Islam were the same. There are a lot of naive people who are confused on that issue. Mainstream Islamics are mainly people who have not read their religious books. Radical islamics are people who have, and they prophecy that they will kill all people of the other faiths. There is to be not one left alive so that they can issue in an era of global Islamic rule. According to their religious writings, any lie, any murder is permissible in the eyes of Allah to advance the worship of their Moon God.
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I'd love to see some actual proof of what you're saying here, not that I don't agree with the fact that Iran is led by some genuine lunatics who are in desperate need of good dirtnaps.

I'd just like to see some proof. A link will do. I was of the notion that Iran and Al Qaeda weren't on speaking terms.


Dirtnaps?  All of Radical Islam needs to take a dirtnap. Technically, Al Qaeda and Iran are opposites in that one is mainly Sunni and the other Sheite, but when it comes to their common goal of advancing Radical Islam and killing all infidels they are united when it comes to Radical Goals.  Iran supported the Taliban in Afghanistan even though the Taliban were harboring the leadership of Al Qaeda.  Radical Islam regardless of sect has always supported the killing of infidels. Oil money is there for that purpose.
A link?  There are thousands of them all equally bad and good.  There is a movie that is better than most of the links out there.  Here is a link to education at a price.
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/


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Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:


I have never forgotten the Planes, hotels, Russian schools........  I have been all over that for years. I am an historian and have written to that issue on many occasions. Most Americans do not understand what is going on.


That is true. Stark raving and scarily true. Since you're an educated man, you've got to be SOMEWHAT to be an officer, though that's no indicator of intelligence as some of the by far stupidest people I've ever known are officers, you should go and take some college courses and experience the depth of lack of understanding that's taking place in our institutions of higher learning. It's genuinely frightening.

Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:


I have never once said that Radical Islam and mainstream Islam were the same. There are a lot of naive people who are confused on that issue. Mainstream Islamics are mainly people who have not read their religious books. Radical islamics are people who have, and they prophecy that they will kill all people of the other faiths. There is to be not one left alive so that they can issue in an era of global Islamic rule. According to their religious writings, any lie, any murder is permissible in the eyes of Allah to advance the worship of their Moon God.


Hmm.... I think what you're talking about is "Kaffur." AKA "Those who are not us." Technically any Muslim, not just the radicals, can lie, cheat, or even kill someone else that is Kaffur without penalty in the eyes of Mohammed/Allah.

If you want to be actually frightened, give the Koran a read sometime. Not only is the bit there about Kaffur, there is also talk of how little boys can be sexually exploited. The last part is repeated time and again. It's really disgusting, but hey, it's their holy text.
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Originally posted by Joe Neubarth Joe Neubarth wrote:

Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:



I'd love to see some actual proof of what you're saying here, not that I don't agree with the fact that Iran is led by some genuine lunatics who are in desperate need of good dirtnaps.

I'd just like to see some proof. A link will do. I was of the notion that Iran and Al Qaeda weren't on speaking terms.


Dirtnaps?  All of Radical Islam needs to take a dirtnap. Technically, Al Qaeda and Iran are opposites in that one is mainly Sunni and the other Sheite, but when it comes to their common goal of advancing Radical Islam and killing all infidels they are united when it comes to Radical Goals.  Iran supported the Taliban in Afghanistan even though the Taliban were harboring the leadership of Al Qaeda.  Radical Islam regardless of sect has always supported the killing of infidels. Oil money is there for that purpose.
A link?  There are thousands of them all equally bad and good.  There is a movie that is better than most of the links out there.  Here is a link to education at a price.
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/


Joe, that's what I call, "The enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, but we can work together."

Iran supplied Al Qaeda in Iraq as well. We kept finding those arseholes with shaped warheads made from PVV5, and penetrating charges. While I totally agree that they're involved in some shady stuff, the connection between the Mullahs of Iran and Al Qaeda is specious at best.
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We agree.  Anything that attacks the West and our culture is OK in the two wings of Radical  Islam. 

Now, as regards being a liberal, I am not, BUT  I am willing to take that side of the argument if you agree.  That does not mean that I am a liberal, but I can pontificate their beliefs if you want somebody to bounce things off of.  As a Liberal I could not take a position of fighting against Radical  Islam because I'd believe that they have good intentions. 

I will  only take a liberal representative position if you tell me that you understand that I am taking that position for argumentation sake.  If you tell me you agree, we can be off to the races.  When you start swearing at me we will call it off.
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Joe,
 
Are you a government troll who is trying to sell the government's agenda to the general public that a war with Iran would actually be a good thing?  I'm not so sure that it wouldn't start WWIII since China & Russia intend to back Iran.  However, it seems that our country is headed this way as a remedy to our failing economic situation.
 
So far, I'm more concerned with losing my rights as a citizen right here in the good old U. S.  of A.
 
Saber rattling is dangerous & also as dangerous is not knowing exactly to whom one is talking to on the internet.
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Originally posted by Elver Elver wrote:

Joe,
 
Are you a government troll who is trying to sell the government's agenda to the general public that a war with Iran would actually be a good thing?  I'm not so sure that it wouldn't start WWIII since China & Russia intend to back Iran.  However, it seems that our country is headed this way as a remedy to our failing economic situation.
 
So far, I'm more concerned with losing my rights as a citizen right here in the good old U. S.  of A.
 
Saber rattling is dangerous & also as dangerous is not knowing exactly to whom one is talking to on the internet.


Elver I understand where you are coming from.  My position on Iran is based upon my own participation in a "conflict" with them.  I am a conservative.

Now, I am offering to be a sacrificial liberal on this board and would not (in that regard) support the position I have taken as a former military officer.   I know that sounds crazy but is done simply for discussion sake on this board..   Membership has been flailing and participation on this forum has been failing.  I am offering to stir things up just to get participation up.

Personally, though, I have voted for myself in one of the past three presidential elections. Unfortunately I have not won. (I think I only got one vote.) When you can not even get your own wife to vote for you, you have lost totally, which I have.  She voted for McCain in the last election and lost, too.
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Again, a lot of people do not understand.  Radical Islam has declared war against us..  Radical Islam is taught in every mosque in the world because of the religious structure of Islam. Anybody who feels led by Allah can teach in a mosque. .   Every mosque has its Radicals who know their Koran and know what it says about killing  all the infidels.

This is not open to debate.  It is reality from their own admission.  They promise to kill us. The only way to rid the world of their insanity is to remove the Islamic writings from the earth. As long as the islamic writings are there, Islam will be our enemy. 

Since it is impossible to remove the writings and teachings and prophecies of Islam from the world, we need to be prepared to fight a war against terror on our own streets.   Are you ready.  I am, in my own house but I am not prepared to take it to the streets.

We have got militias in California that are just waiting for the opportunity to go off against Radical Islam. I do not support them, but I know that as soon as the Islamics blow up a Christian Church in this state, anybody who looks like a Radical Islamic will be killed. Wait and see. There are thousands of people just waiting for an excuse.
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 Iran to Start Enrichment at Underground Site This Month
 January 08, 2012
 
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Satellite image shows a facility under construction inside a mountain located about 20 miles (32 kilometers) north northeast of Qom, Iran, September 26, 2009.

A senior Iranian official says Iran will launch a second uranium enrichment facility later this month at an underground site that is well protected from potential air strikes by nations opposed to the Iranian nuclear program.

The head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization Fereidoun Abbasi said late Saturday the injection of uranium gas into centrifuges at the Fordo enrichment facility will begin before February 1.  Iran revealed the existence of the plant to the U.N. nuclear agency in 2009.  It is located beneath a mountain near the Shi'ite holy city of Qom.

Western powers suspect Iran's enrichment activities are aimed at developing the capability to produce nuclear weapons.  Iran says its nuclear program is designed only to generate electricity and material for medical research.

Iran's first enrichment facility in the central city of Natanz has been enriching uranium up to a fissile purity of 20 percent since last year.  Weapons-grade uranium is usually enriched to a level of 90 percent.  Iran has been preparing for months to move its higher-grade enrichment from the above ground plant at Natanz to the underground Fordo complex.

The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons.  Israel sees a nuclear-armed Iran as a threat to the Jewish state's existence.

An Iranian newspaper allied to the country's supreme leader reported Sunday that Iran already has begun enrichment at Fordo at a time of "heightened enemy threats."  There was no independent confirmation of the report in the Kayhan daily.

 
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Here is another article on the underground Fordo site near Qom.  US Troops are being deployed in Israel. 
"The 9,000 US servicemen gathering in Israel in the coming weeks are mostly airmen, missile interceptor teams, marines, seamen, technicians and intelligence officers."
 
Iran crosses another nuclear red line. Fordo soon on stream

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 8, 2012, 10:15 AM (GMT+02:00)
Fordo underground uranium enrichment site

Tehran media trumpeted the news Sunday, Jan. 8 that Iran's deep underground uranium enrichment site at Fordo near Qom goes stream soon, thereby crossing another line in its faceoff with the West on its weapons program. The head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization Fereydoun Abbasi Davani told the Kayhan daily: ... 20 percent, 3.5 percent and four percent enriched uranium can be produced at this site." debkafile's military sources report that 60 percent is equally feasible, just one step before weapons grade.
Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned in a number of interviews to US media that once the Fordo plant becomes operational, Iran's nuclear bomb program will become immune to military attack and be able to operate out of the sight of Israeli and Western surveillance.
Tehran has clearly not been deterred in its drive for a nuclear weapon by the stiff sanctions the US and European Union began imposing in the past week against Iran's oil exports and its central bank.

The announcement Sunday confirmed the report from diplomats in the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency that Iran had begun feeding uranium gas into the underground centrifuges in late December ready for upgraded enrichment. "I would assume they could start if they wanted to," said one official.

debkafile reported Friday, Jan. 6 on US-Israeli-British deployments in readiness for a strike against Iran.

Thousands of US troops began descending on Israel this week. Senior US military sources told debkafile Friday, Jan. 6 that many would be staying up to the end of the year as part of the US-IDF deployment in readiness for a military engagement with Iran and its possible escalation into a regional conflict. They will be joined by a US aircraft carrier. The warplanes on its decks will fly missions with Israeli Air Force jets. The 9,000 US servicemen gathering in Israel in the coming weeks are mostly airmen, missile interceptor teams, marines, seamen, technicians and intelligence officers.

The incoming American soldiers are officially categorized as participants in Austere Challenge 12, the biggest joint US-Israeli war game ever held.

The maneuver was originally designated Juniper Stallion 2012. However, the altered name plus the comment heard from the exercise's commander, US Third Air Force Lt. Gen. Frank Gorenc, during his visit two weeks ago, that the coming event is more a "deployment" than an "exercise," confirmed that Washington has expanded its mission. The joint force will now be in place ready for a decision to attack Iran's nuclear installations or any war emergency.

Our sources disclose that it was decided at the last minute in Washington and Jerusalem to announce the forthcoming Austere Challenge 12 on Thursday night, Jan. 5, ahead of the bulletin released by Tehran about another Iranian naval exercise at the Strait of Hormuz to take place in February, although its 10-day drill in the same arena only ended Monday, Jan. 2.

The early release was decided in consultations among US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak and the two army chiefs, US Gen. Martin Dempsey and Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz.
British Defense Minister Phillip Hammond, on a visit to Washington, was brought into the discussion.
The handout circulated to US correspondents from Hammond's talks in the US capital affirmed that Britain stands ready to strike Iran if the Strait of Hormuz is closed.
However, that phrase was omitted from the British minister's remarks at a news conference, following a last-minute request from Panetta, signifying the Obama administration's interest of keeping a low profile on plans for attacking Iran.

Tehran too is walking a taut tightrope. It is staging military's maneuvers every few days to assuring the Iranian people that its leaders are fully prepared to defend the country against an American or Israeli strike on its national nuclear program. By this stratagem, Iran's ground, sea and air forces are maintained constantly at top war readiness to thwart any surprise attack.

The joint US-Israeli drill will test multiple Israeli and US air defense systems against incoming missiles and rockets, according to the official communiqué.

debkafile's military sources add that they will also practice intercepting missiles and rockets coming in from Syria, Hizballah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

It will not be the first time a US aircraft carrier docks in Israel for joint operations with the Israeli Air Force. On June 9, 2010, the USS Truman dropped anchor opposite Israel to test a joint deployment against Iran and its allies. The carrier and its air and naval strike force then staged joint firing practices with the Israeli Air Force over the Negev in the South.
Washington and Jerusalem are doing their utmost to present a perfectly synchronized military front against Iran: American officers are stationed at IDF command centers and Israeli officers posted at the US European Command-EUCOM. At the same time, debkafile's military sources disclose that full consensus has not been reached on every last particular of shared operation against Iran, should one go forward.

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This article makes a lot of good points regarding Iran’s war preps and explains why we are not in the rush to attack Iran right now. We have to choices attack Iran before it develops nukes or after  

I think will wait for Iran’s nukes so we can use our  

 
By punishing Iran for its nuclear research and development, U.S. and European sanctions only give incentive to Iran to double-down on the program ("U.S. sees Iran sanctions bite," Jan. 8). That's because the whole purpose of nuclear capability is to protect against outside influence in Iranian affairs which the sanctions represent. The logic of sanctions as a deterrent is flawed.
Let's be clear: If Iranian nuclear capability is the trip-wire for U.S. war against Iran, then the current and planned sanctions against Iran are best understood as a prelude to war — one of the many incremental steps necessary for hostilities to develop — not as a deterrent to war, which is the ostensible claim.
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After years of U.S. threats, Iran is taking steps which suggest that is both willing and capable of closing the Strait of Hormuz. On December 24, 2011 Iran started its Velayat-90 naval drills in and around the Strait of Hormuz and extending from the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman (Oman Sea) to the Gulf of Aden and the Arabian Sea.
Since the conduct of these drills, there has been a growing war of words between Washington and Tehran. Nothing the Obama Administration or the Pentagon have done or said so far, however, has deterred Tehran from continuing its naval drills.
The Geo-Political Nature of the Strait of Hormuz
Besides the fact that it is a vital transit point for global energy resources and a strategic chokepoint, two additional issues should be addressed in regards to the Strait of Hormuz and its relationship to Iran. The first concerns the geography of the Strait of Hormuz. The second pertains to the role of Iran in co-managing the strategic strait in accordance with international law and its sovereign national rights.
The maritime traffic that goes through the Strait of Hormuz has always been in contact with Iranian naval forces, which are predominantly composed of the Iranian Regular Force Navy and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Navy. In fact, Iranian naval forces monitor and police the Strait of Hormuz along with the Sultanate of Oman via the Omani enclave of Musandam. More importantly, to transit through the Strait of Hormuz all maritime traffic, including the U.S. Navy, must sail through Iranian territorial waters. Almost all entrances into the Persian Gulf are made through Iranian waters and most exits are through Omani waters.
Iran allows foreign ships to use its territorial waters in good faith and on the basis of Part III of the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea’s maritime transit passage provisions that stipulate that vessels are free to sail through the Strait of Hormuz and similar bodies of water on the basis of speedy and continuous navigation between an open port and the high seas. Although Tehran in custom follows the navigation practices of the Law of the Sea, Tehran is not legally bound by them. Like Washington, Tehran signed this international treaty, but never ratified it.
 
American-Iranian Tensions in the Persian Gulf
In recent developments, the Iranian Majlis (Parliament) is re-evaluating the use of Iranian waters at the Strait of Hormuz by foreign vessels.
Legislation is being proposed to block any foreign warships from being able to use Iranian territorial waters to navigate through the Strait of Hormuz without Iranian permission; the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee is currently studying legislation which would establish an official Iranian posture. The latter would hinge upon Iranian strategic interests and national security. [1]
On December 30, 2011, the U.S.S. John C. Stennis carrier passed through the area where Iran was conducting its naval drills. The Commander of the Iranian Regular Forces, Major-General Ataollah Salehi, advised the U.S.S. John C. Stennis and other U.S. Navy vessels not to return to the Persian Gulf while Iran was doing its drills, saying that Iran is not in the habit of repeating a warning twice. [2] Shortly after the stern Iranian warning to Washington, the Pentagon’s press secretary responded by making a statement saying: “No one in this government seeks confrontation [with Iran] over the Strait of Hormuz. It’s important to lower the temperature.” [3]
In an actual scenario of military conflict with Iran,  it is very likely that U.S. aircraft carriers would actually operate from outside of the Persian Gulf and from the southern Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea. Unless the missile systems that Washington is developing in the petro-sheikhdoms of the southern Persian Gulf are operational, the deployment of large U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf would be unlikely. The reasons for this are tied to geographic realities and the defensive capabilities of Iran.
 
Geography is against the Pentagon: U.S. Naval Strength has limits in the Persian Gulf
U.S. naval strength, which includes the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Coast Guard, has primacy over all the other navies and maritime forces in the world. Its deep sea or oceanic capabilities are unparalleled and unmatched by any other naval power. Primacy does not mean invincibility. U.S. naval forces in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf are nonetheless vulnerable.
Despite its might and shear strength, geography literally works against U.S. naval power in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf. The relative narrowness of the Persian Gulf makes it like a channel, at least in a strategic and military context. Figuratively speaking, the aircraft carriers and warships of the U.S. are confined to narrow waters or are closed in within the coastal waters of the Persian Gulf. [See map above]
This is where the Iranian military’s advanced missile capabilities come into play. The Iranian missile and torpedo arsenal would make short work of U.S. naval assets in the waters of the Persian Gulf where U.S. vessels are constricted. This is why the U.S. has been busily erecting a missile shield system in the Persian Gulf amongst the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries in the last few years.
Even the small Iranian patrol boats in the Persian Gulf, which appear pitiable and insignificant against a U.S. aircraft carrier or destroyer, threaten U.S. warships. Looks can be deceiving; these Iranian patrol boats can easily launch a barrage of missiles that could significantly damage and effectively sink large U.S. warships. Iranian small patrol boats are also hardly detectable and hard to target.
Iranian forces could also attack U.S. naval capabilities merely by launching missile attacks from the Iranian mainland on the northern shores of the Persian Gulf. Even in 2008 the Washington Institute for Near East Policy acknowledged the threat from Iran’s mobile coastal missile batteries, anti-ship missiles, and missile-armed small ships. [4] Other Iranian naval assets like aerial drones, hovercraft, mines, diver teams, and mini-submarines could also be used in asymmetrical naval warfare against the U.S. Fifth Fleet.
Even the Pentagon’s own war simulations have shown that a war in the Persian Gulf with Iran would spell disaster for the United States and its military. One key example is the Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) war game in the Persian Gulf, which was conducted from July 24, 2002 to August 15, 2002 and took almost two years to prepare. This mammoth drill was amongst the largest and most expensive war games ever held by the Pentagon.  Millennium Challenge 2002 was held shortly after the Pentagon had decided that it would continue the momentum of the war in Afghanistan by targeting Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, and finishing off with the big prize of Iran in a broad military campaign to ensure U.S. primacy in the new millennium.
After Millennium Challenge 2002 was finished, the war game was “officially” presented as a simulation of a war against Iraq under the rule of President Saddam Hussein, but in actuality these war games pertained to Iran.[5] The U.S. had already made assessments for the upcoming Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. Moreover, Iraq had no naval capabilities that would merit such large-scale use of the U.S. Navy.
Millennium Challenge 2002 was conducted to simulate a war with Iran, which was codenamed “Red” and referred to an unknown Middle Eastern rogue enemy state in the Persian Gulf. Other than Iran, no other country could meet the perimeters and characteristics of “Red” and its military forces, from the patrol boats to the motorcycle units. The war simulation took place because Washington was planning on attacking Iran soon after invading Iraq in 2003.
The scenario in the 2002 war game started with the U.S., codenamed “Blue,” giving Iran a one-day ultimatum to surrender in the year 2007. The war game’s date of 2007 would chronologically correspond to U.S. plans to attack Iran after the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006, which was to extend, according to military plans, into a broader war against Syria. The war against Lebanon, however, did not go as planned and the U.S. and Israel realized that if Hezbollah could challenge them in Lebanon then an expanded war with Syria and Iran would be a disaster.
In Millennium Challenge 2002’s war scenario, Iran would react to U.S. aggression by launching a massive barrage of missiles that would overwhelm the U.S. and destroy sixteen U.S. naval vessels – an aircraft carrier, ten cruisers, and five amphibious ships. It is estimated that if this had happened in real war theatre context, more than 20,000 U.S. servicemen would have been killed in the first day following the attack. [6]
Next, Iran would send its small patrol boats – the ones that look insignificant in comparison to the U.S.S. John C. Stennis and other large U.S. warships – to overwhelm the remainder of the Pentagon’s naval forces in the Persian Gulf, which would result in the damaging and sinking of most of the U.S. Fifth Fleet and the defeat of the United States. After the U.S. defeat, the war games were started over again, but “Red” (Iran) had to operate under the assumption of handicaps and shortcomings, so that U.S. forces would be allowed to emerge victorious from the drill. [7] This outcome of the war games obviated the fact that the U.S. would have been overwhelmed in the context of a real conventional war with Iran in the Persian Gulf.
Hence, the formidable naval power of Washington is handicapped both by geography as well as Iranian military capabilities when it comes to fighting in the Persian Gulf or even in much of the Gulf of Oman. Without open waters, like in the Indian Ocean or the Pacific Ocean, the U.S. will have to fight under significantly reduced response times and, more importantly, will not be able to fight from a stand-off (militarily safe) distance. Thus, entire tool boxes of U.S. naval defensive systems, which were designed for combat in open waters using stand-off ranges, are rendered unpractical in the Persian Gulf.
Making the Strait of Hormuz Redundant to Weaken Iran?
The entire world knows the importance of the Strait of Hormuz and Washington and its allies are very well aware that the Iranians can militarily close it for a significant period of time. This is why the U.S. has been working with the GCC countries – Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, and the U.A.E. – to re-route their oil through pipelines bypassing the Strait of Hormuz and channelling GCC oil directly to the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, or Mediterranean Sea. Washington has also been pushing Iraq to seek alternative routes in talks with Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.
Both Israel and Turkey have also been very interested in this strategic project. Ankara has had discussions with Qatar about setting up an oil terminal that would reach Turkey via Iraq. The Turkish government has attempted to get Iraq to link its southern oil fields, like Iraq’s northern oil fields, to the transit routes running through Turkey. This is all tied to Turkey’s visions of being an energy corridor and important lynchpin of transit.
The aims of re-routing oil away from the Persian Gulf would remove an important element of strategic leverage Iran has against Washington and its allies. It would effectively reduce the importance of the Strait of Hormuz. It could very well be a prerequisite to war preparations and a war led by the United States against Tehran and its allies.
It is within this framework that the Abu Dhabi Crude Oil Pipeline or the Hashan-Fujairah Oil Pipeline is being fostered by the United Arab Emirates to bypass the maritime route in the Persian Gulf going through the Strait of Hormuz. The project design was put together in 2006, the contract was issued in 2007, and construction was started in 2008. [8] This pipeline goes straight from Abdu Dhabi to the port of Fujairah on the shore of the Gulf of Oman in the Arabian Sea.
In other words, it will give oil exports from the U.A.E. direct access to the Indian Ocean. It has openly been presented as a means to ensure energy security by bypassing Hormuz and attempting to avoid the Iranian military. Along with the construction of this pipeline, the erection of a strategic oil reservoir at Fujairah was also envisaged to also maintain the flow of oil to the international market should the Persian Gulf be closed off. [9]
 
Aside from the Petroline (East-West Saudi Pipeline), Saudi Arabia has also been looking at alternative transit routes and examining the ports of it southern neighbours in the Arabian Peninsula, Oman and Yemen. The Yemenite port of Mukalla on the shores of the Gulf of Aden has been of particular interest to Riyadh. In 2007, Israeli sources reported with some fanfare that a pipeline project was in the works that would connect the Saudi oil fields with Fujairah in the U.A.E., Muscat in Oman, and finally to Mukalla in Yemen. The reopening of the Iraq-Saudi Arabia Pipeline (IPSA), which was ironically built by Saddam Hussein to avoid the Strait of Hormuz and Iran, has also been a subject of discussion for the Saudis with the Iraqi government in Baghdad.
If Syria and Lebanon were converted into Washington’s clients, then the defunct Trans-Arabian Pipeline (Tapline) could also be reactivated, along with other alternative routes going from the Arabian Peninsula to the coast of the Mediterranean Sea via the Levant. Chronologically, this would also fit into Washington’s efforts to overrun Lebanon and Syria in an attempt to isolate Iran before any possible showdown with Tehran.
The Iranian Velayat-90 naval drills, which extended in close proximity to the entrance of the Red Sea in the Gulf of Aden off the territorial waters of Yemen, also took place in the Gulf of Oman facing the coast of Oman and the eastern shores of the United Arab Emirates. Amongst other things, Velayat-90 should be understood as a signal that Tehran is ready to operate outside of the Persian Gulf and can even strike or block the pipelines trying to bypass the Strait of Hormuz.
Geography again is on Iran’s side in this case too. Bypassing the Strait of Hormuz still does not change the fact that most of the oil fields belonging to GCC countries are located in the Persian Gulf or near its shores, which means they are all situated within close proximity to Iran and therefore within Iranian striking distance. Like in the case of the Hashan-Fujairah Pipeline, the Iranians could easily disable the flow of oil from the point of origin. Tehran could launch missile and aerial attacks or deploy its ground, sea, air, and amphibious forces into these areas as well. It does not necessarily need to block the Strait of Hormuz; after all preventing the flow of energy is the main purpose of the Iranian threats.
The American-Iranian Cold War
Washington has been on the offensive against Iran using all means at its disposal. The tensions over the Strait of Hormuz and in the Persian Gulf are just one front in a dangerous multi-front regional cold war between Tehran and Washington in the broader Middle East. Since 2001, the Pentagon has also been restructuring its military to wage unconventional wars with enemies like Iran. [10] Nonetheless, geography has always worked against the Pentagon and the U.S. has not found a solution for its naval dilemma in the Persian Gulf. Instead of a conventional war, Washington has had to resort to waging a covert, economic, and diplomatic war against Iran.
 

Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya is a Sociologist and award-winning author. He is a Research Associate at the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montreal. He specializes on the Middle East and Central Asia. He has been a contributor and guest discussing the broader Middle East on numerous programs and international networks such as Al Jazeera, Press TV and Russia Today. Nazemroaya was also a witness to the "Arab Spring" in action in North Africa. While on the ground in Libya during the NATO bombing campaign, he reported out of Tripoli for several media outlets. He sent key field dispatches from Libya for Global Research and was Special Correspondent for Pacifica's syndicated investigative program Flashpoints, broadcast out of Berkeley, California. His writings have been published in more than ten languages. He also writes for the Strategic Culture Foundation (SCF) in Moscow, Russia.

Notes
[1] Fars News Agency, “Foreign Warships Will Need Iran’s Permission to Pass through Strait of Hormuz,” January 4, 2011.
[2] Fars News Agency, “Iran Warns US against Sending Back Aircraft Carrier to Persian Gulf,” January 4, 2011.
[3] Parisa Hafezi, “Iran threatens U.S Navy as sanctions hit economy,” Reuters, January 4, 2012.
[4] Fariborz Haghshenass, “Iran’s Asymmetric Naval Warfare,” Policy Focus, no.87 (Washington, D.C.: Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy, September 2010).
[5] Julian Borger, “Wake-up call,” The Guardian, September 6, 2002.
[6] Neil R. McCown, Developing Intuitive Decision-Making In Modern Military Leadership (Newport, R.I.: Naval War College, October 27, 2010), p.9.
[7] Sean D. Naylor, “War games rigged? General says Millennium Challenge ‘02 ‘was almost entirely scripted,’” Army Times, April 6, 2002.
[8] Himendra Mohan Kumar, “Fujairah poised to be become oil export hub,” Gulf News, June 12, 2011.
[9] Ibid.
[10] John Arquilla, “The New Rules of War,” Foreign Policy, 178 (March-April, 2010): pp.60-67.

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4th Iranian Nuclear Scientist killed in Magnetic Car Bomb Attack!!
 
 
Has the war already begun???????          (Covertly)
 
 
 
 
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The LONG article two posts above is total bull****.  (Bolshoi)

There are international agreements as regards narrow waterways leading into open seas that border on other countries.  The Straights of Gibraltar are the most recognizable of waterways like that.  The Straights at Sharm al Sheik in Egypt are another. (Egypt has caused several wars by prohibiting passage of ships through those straights.)

Iran, which is the greatest terrorist nation in history (with a mass murder record that makes Hitler look like a cub scout in comparison) is now trying to set up a War Crisis situation by saying that Iran has a right to seal off the straights and defy the rest of the world.

I personally favor turning Iran into six or seven small countries each with their own language and culture.  The sooner we do that the safer the world will be. 
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There are currently 2 Aircraft Carrier Groups (Vinson & Stennis) near Iran with a third en route (Abraham Lincoln).
 
US Navy responds ----its just a coincidental scheduling----
 
"I don't want to leave anyone with the impression that we're somehow zorching [speeding] two carriers over to there because we're concerned with what happened today in Iran," said Navy Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman. "This is just prudent force posture requirements set by the combatant commander."
 
 
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